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Il Morte
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Posted - 2009.04.10 15:31:00 -
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All this talk got me thinking what is next to be nerfed?
EWAR (more than likeley)
CLOAKING
LOGISTICS
SCANNING (since it soo easy now)
LOCAL
SOVEREIGNTY
GOONSWARM
AMARRIANS
I mean next thing you know CCP will probably free all of the slaves and remove them from the game so CVA and UK have nothing to fight over anymore.
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ZinderX500
Caldari Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.10 15:32:00 -
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PIGEON
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Haakelen
Gallente REUNI0N Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.04.10 15:38:00 -
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Amarr Cloaking Logistics in Goonswarm sovereign local. Scanning.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.04.10 15:45:00 -
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You missed the memo
Ewar being nerfed,
cloaking being bosted
all ships getting nerfed again!
and on a memo to be
logistics being boosted logistic ships getting nerfed
and sovernty redux is somewhere on the road ahead along with capitol remix however they're out of sight so far.
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2009.04.10 16:07:00 -
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Tally the whine threads for each and you've got your winner.
Scanning's already nerfed: Thousands more scanning, little or no real increase in scannable sites = nerf.
Cloaking's already nerfed: bugs that uncloak you/no sound to alert you to uncloaking (Much to the glee of awaiting sleepers)
Sovereignty/Big Alliances/Goonswarm already own Eve, no nerfing there.
Don't like local in Lo-sec? Go find a wormhole.
CVA and UK = Hatfields and McCoys. They don't need a reason to fight.
So it boils down to EWAR (isn't this already in the works?), Logistics, and Amarrians.
Hmmm, Logistics and Amarrians, WTS: Guardian, cheap.
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.10 16:28:00 -
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nerf: MEW MEWTWO DEOXY (all forms) ARCEUS DIALGA/PALKIA (what were you thinking?)
buff: MAGIKARP (it's been, what, 6 years? fix this ccp) PIGEOT KRICKETOT UNOWN (all shapes) BEAUTIFLY --
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.10 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Faife nerf: MEW MEWTWO DEOXY (all forms) ARCEUS DIALGA/PALKIA (what were you thinking?)
buff: MAGIKARP (it's been, what, 6 years? fix this ccp) PIGEOT KRICKETOT UNOWN (all shapes) BEAUTIFLY
What is that, a ****ing pokemon reference or something?
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.04.10 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 10/04/2009 17:36:23
If it was up to me I'd be nerfing Amarrians.
Suggestion to balance Amarr better ;
Scorch Crystals - Increase their tracking penalty from 75% to 50%, they are too good at being a one size fits all uber killer.
People will still use them as they still offer a lot more damage for their range on pulse than anything else.
Increase the volume of all laser crystals, currently all crystals, even large, take up 1.0 volume, which is adding insult to injury to the other races considering they get infinite ammo and almost never any reloading. Also letting them ram in as many cap charges as possible. I've ran out of ammo with a full cargohold on non amarr ships one or twice. Particularly blaster ships.
Small - 5 m3
Medium - 10 m3
Large - 20 m3
They'd probably still be flavour of the month after doing that as nearly every other weapon system sucks so bad in comparison, but it's a good start.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.10 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 10/04/2009 17:36:23
If it was up to me I'd be nerfing Amarrians.
Suggestion to balance Amarr better ;
Scorch Crystals - Increase their tracking penalty from 75% to 50%, they are too good at being a one size fits all uber killer.
People will still use them as they still offer a lot more damage for their range on pulse than anything else.
Increase the volume of all laser crystals, currently all crystals, even large, take up 1.0 volume, which is adding insult to injury to the other races considering they get infinite ammo and almost never any reloading. Also letting them ram in as many cap charges as possible. I've ran out of ammo with a full cargohold on non amarr ships one or twice. Particularly blaster ships.
Small - 5 m3
Medium - 10 m3
Large - 20 m3
They'd probably still be flavour of the month after doing that as nearly every other weapon system sucks so bad in comparison, but it's a good start.
It is, of course, unthinkable that we make other weapons better...
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.04.10 17:45:00 -
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When did Malcanis turn into An Anarchyst mark ii anyway?
Well I'd like to see other weapon systems buffed too but the OP didnt ask that.
I'd be buffing artillery and railguns if it were up to me.
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Dark Soldat
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.10 17:47:00 -
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Quote:
Small - 5 m3
Medium - 10 m3
Large - 20 m3
So your saying your average abaddon pilot has to carry 320 m3 in his cargo or what?
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.10 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy When did Malcanis turn into An Anarchyst mark ii anyway?
Well I'd like to see other weapon systems buffed too but the OP didnt ask that.
I'd be buffing artillery and railguns if it were up to me.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. I've never been in favour of the spiteful calls for nerfing that go on in this forum:
MY FAVOURITE THING JUST GOT NERFED AND I'M SO MAD NOW I WANT YOUR FAVOURITE THING TO GET NERFED AS WELL EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T MAKE MY FAVOURITE THING ONE BIT BETTER.
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Dark Soldat
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.10 17:51:00 -
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Next to be nerfed ummm me myself and goons if CCP are in a bee bashing mood
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Haakelen
Gallente REUNI0N Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.04.10 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Haakelen on 10/04/2009 17:54:35
Originally by: Malcanis It is, of course, unthinkable that we make other weapons better...
Yeah, it's not like Blaster ships could use a bit more speed/agility (or, not and) tracking, or arty could use an alpha increase, or ACs could use a bit of a damage boost. (Agreeing with Malcanis sarcasm itt)
Amarr will still be considerably better than the others in most roles, even after being nerfed, because Amarr was given a close look at and adjusted to fix problems. There needs to be a similar (if perhaps not as reactionary) look at other weapon systems/racial ship roles, if Amarr is drastically changed.
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Maria Kalista
Amarr Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.04.10 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Maria Kalista on 10/04/2009 18:21:52 You know you're in a downward spiral here, yes?
Gallente got nerfed because they where "way too powerful", then the Caldari, now you are asking to nerf Amarr just because the previous 2 got nerved. Then next, IF CCP does so, someone will figure out Gallente are way to powerful and they nerf that, then the Caldari and next the Amarr again. Until someone thinks Gallente are way to powerful etc. etc. etc.
Until one day we are down to sticky tape on *all* vessels.
Edit: spellink
Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.04.10 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 10/04/2009 18:32:30
It's going to be buffer tanks. It'll be in the form of a stacking penalty to shield extenders, armor plates, and HP rigs. Or, if not a buffer nerf then it'll be a remote rep nerf. Either way CCP is going to reverse the trend of dragging out the timespan of fights.
That's my guess.
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Aurevoir Connard
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Posted - 2009.04.10 18:47:00 -
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I think instead of snow balls and snow ball launchers. CCP should give out nerf balls you can put in launchers and shoot at each other with.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.04.10 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Soldat
Quote:
Small - 5 m3
Medium - 10 m3
Large - 20 m3
So your saying your average abaddon pilot has to carry 320 m3 in his cargo or what?
It's perfectly workable to go around with two sets of ammo crystals. One set loaded in the guns and the second set using 160m3 in the cargohold. Maybe reduce it to 15m3 but the numbers given were just an idea.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.04.10 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 10/04/2009 18:50:27
Originally by: Aurevoir Connard I think instead of snow balls and snow ball launchers. CCP should give out nerf balls you can put in launchers and shoot at each other with.
A nerf launcher module (apart from being a trademark issue) would just be mocking the playerbase's rampant paranoia about nerfs. I love it.
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Aurevoir Connard
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Posted - 2009.04.10 18:59:00 -
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The next nerf from what has been discussed, EWAR and EMPIRE
EWAR - because the greater community fails in individual initiative and thought to counter it.
EMPIRE - Because there is talk of capitals in empire and when that happens the Merc corps and griefers that make ISK and have the skills will bring in carriers for fighter support and sieges. Thus truly crippling whatever a chance a new fledgling corporation will have to survive.
This in turn will boost Carebear Tears, which taste oh so good sprinkled over some genetically engineered cattle steaks.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.04.10 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 10/04/2009 18:32:30
It's going to be buffer tanks. It'll be in the form of a stacking penalty to shield extenders, armor plates, and HP rigs. Or, if not a buffer nerf then it'll be a remote rep nerf. Either way CCP is going to reverse the trend of dragging out the timespan of fights.
That's my guess.
I like this idea.
Gotten a bit sick of buffer tanks too.
Ok they work with fleets but are far too forgiving when paired with aggression mechanics.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.04.10 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 10/04/2009 19:31:45
Originally by: Aurevoir Connard EMPIRE - Because there is talk of capitals in empire and when that happens the Merc corps and griefers that make ISK and have the skills will bring in carriers for fighter support and sieges. Thus truly crippling whatever a chance a new fledgling corporation will have to survive.
Caps in High Sec is nothing but a giant buff to NPC corp mission runners. All those Ravens'll just get converted to 1300 DPS dealing, 4000 DPS permatanking Chimeras with 1.4 million effective HPs that don't require anything more than T2 and some drone control units (which will actually get fitted for a change) to do it. You can put one together for less than the cost of a pimped CNR. And of course the Domi mission runners will just convert to the Moros.
There's no way CCP will ever do this so I call shenanigans without a devblog on Empire changes.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.10 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 10/04/2009 19:31:45
Originally by: Aurevoir Connard EMPIRE - Because there is talk of capitals in empire and when that happens the Merc corps and griefers that make ISK and have the skills will bring in carriers for fighter support and sieges. Thus truly crippling whatever a chance a new fledgling corporation will have to survive.
Caps in High Sec is nothing but a giant buff to NPC corp mission runners. All those Ravens'll just get converted to 1300 DPS dealing, 4000 DPS permatanking Chimeras with 1.4 million effective HPs that don't require anything more than T2 and some drone control units (which will actually get fitted for a change) to do it. You can put one together for less than the cost of a pimped CNR. And of course the Domi mission runners will just convert to the Moros.
There's no way CCP will ever do this so I call shenanigans without a devblog on Empire changes.
Except that most missions are on the other side of an acceleration gate....
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.04.10 20:01:00 -
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They are nerfing Caldari Recons and further nerfing speed.....
On a plus they are boosting Stealth bombers
see the game dev forum for more details --
Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donęt forget the reach-around.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.10 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim They are nerfing Caldari Recons and further nerfing speed.....
On a plus they are boosting Stealth bombers
see the game dev forum for more details
I am seriously looking forward to the new torp-bombers.
And by that I mean I am looking forward to the tearful "whats the point of buying a battleship when a frigate can kill it" threads.
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Furious Foot
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Posted - 2009.04.10 20:57:00 -
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I'd still hope for high sec l4 missions being nerfed above all else - they just rack in too much isk without any risk - now that carebear ganking has been nerfed to hell...
Probably wont happen, but one is still allowed to dream, right?
Considering lasers and them being ammo-less, people seem to forget that the things are so cap hungry they all use ammo (and huge chunky ammo with long reload times and relatively small mags on the mods): they're called cap boosters. Moreover ppl generally only see the other guys strenghts but forgets about their weaknesses: Amarr have rather crappy frigs due to lack of medslots, their T1 cruisers are horrible except for the arbi, the curse got hit by the nerf bat twice in a row (first nos, then nano) the pilgrim is still best fitted with expanded cargoholds, the zealot is ok, the sacrilege as well (but hey - doesn't even use lasers).
Only their battleships are good, but then I don't see the gallente ones being a lot worse.
Otherwise, I think most ships are pretty balanced atm, but we'll have to see which ship jumps the gap of the falcon (and I figure it to be something with a sensor dampening bonus).
However, with the falcon being one of the only really usefull caldari ships, I think caldari could use some love.
Gallente, Amarr and Minmatar are fine imho
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Korerin Mayul
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Posted - 2009.04.10 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Haradgrim They are nerfing Caldari Recons and further nerfing speed.....
On a plus they are boosting Stealth bombers
see the game dev forum for more details
I am seriously looking forward to the new torp-bombers.
And by that I mean I am looking forward to the tearful "whats the point of buying a battleship when a frigate can kill it" threads.
finally, a use for the half million sp i took out of my vigerous mining training shedule! mmwwwahahahhahahahaa!
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.10 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Furious Foot I'd still hope for high sec l4 missions being nerfed above all else - they just rack in too much isk without any risk - now that carebear ganking has been nerfed to hell...
Probably wont happen, but one is still allowed to dream, right?
You're quite right, but there are too many little piggies who can't look beyond their trough to see what damage hi-sec l4s are doing that would squeal ever so loudly if CCP tried this. So now I just abuse them along with all the rest.
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Whineroy
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Posted - 2009.04.10 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Furious Foot I'd still hope for high sec l4 missions being nerfed above all else - they just rack in too much isk without any risk
If you *really* want to get rid of "too much ISK without any risk", get rid of ISK sellers AND get rid of GTC trade too. Even if L4s were nerfed, people could make fortunes with GTC trade even without leaving station (and price of GTCs wouldn't really drop due to all the 0.0 alliance members buying GTCs). Besides, whining about "carebear ganking" proves you to be yet another hypocritical ganker nerd.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 21:25:00 -
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Next on the nerf list:
Mining: No more public belts. More complicated mining procedures and calculations. More interactivity will be required to maintain current mining yields.
Sovereignty: No more POS spam, wait for timer, sov 5 yay! but instead the need to build up, maintain and defend an empire while keeping the population happy.
Cloaking: You will no longer show up on local. In fact no one will unless they talk. You will no longer be able to terrorize the general populace by simply being *there*.
I am sure more will get nerfed in a similar manner but those should do for now. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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