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Mirima Thurander
Angels of Valour G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:37:00 -
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http://www.evenews24.com/2012/05/03/insight-the-other-cost-of-war/
BROKEN
it should work like this war decs start out at
xMillions of isks
and drop off 500,000 isk person in the corp.
because?
the more people you have the easier it is to defend.
i don't get whats so hard to understand?
your doing it the WRONG WAY ccp.
this is not stopping the grefing of small corps,
this is making them the only target of high sec war dec corps.
and in the same stroke making largest groups of players all most immune to the wardec system.
i found the word to describe it now.
incompetence
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
798
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:42:00 -
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oh man now i can stop having all those nightmares over highsec wardec corps their terrifying reign over nullsec alliances is finally over |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
555
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:44:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:oh man now i can stop having all those nightmares over highsec wardec corps their terrifying reign over nullsec alliances is finally over Ohohohoh~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:45:00 -
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Well, I told Sean that it should be logarithmic, otherwise it would make large alliances invincible. But he didn't listen to me.
Your idea is much dumber though. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
509
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:45:00 -
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Don't worry every single highsec wardec corp have only been harping on this ever since it was announced at fanfest.
What do you think CCP have done to address the concerns of the players that this change will affect? That's right they've pushed ahead with the mechanic with no change to the pricing structure.
I couldn't give a flying crap about the cost of declaring war on nullsec alliances, what I care about is the ability of people to endlessly do PVE content to create money without any risk of anyone ever shooting at them. With this change it will be possible for folks in highsec to form massive buffer alliances full of alts simply to make it prohibitively expensive to declare war on them.
Between wardec changes and crimewatch inferno is going to be the expansion that finally makes highsec 100% safe for carebears so they can endlessly grind out l4 missions and incursions with no risk of anyone ever shooting at them. |
Landrae
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
317
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:46:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote: I'm an idiot and complaining is all I'm good at.
Fixed that for you.
P.S. HTFU Welcome to Eve Online |
Benny Ohu
The Lazy Dragoons True Apathy
104
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:47:00 -
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Why is Goonswarm always used as an example
It's the largest alliance out there, it's a terrible example |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
555
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:48:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Why is Goonswarm always used as an example
It's the largest alliance out there, it's a terrible example It's an example that gets into people's faces and that they hate. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
363
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:49:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:http://www.evenews24.com/2012/05/03/insight-the-other-cost-of-war/
BROKEN
it should work like this war decs start out at
xMillions of isks
and drop off 500,000 isk person in the corp.
because?
the more people you have the easier it is to defend.
i don't get whats so hard to understand?
your doing it the WRONG WAY ccp.
this is not stopping the grefing of small corps,
this is making them the only target of high sec war dec corps.
and in the same stroke making largest groups of players all most immune to the wardec system.
i found the word to describe it now.
incompetence
FWIW, Goons think the wardec prices are hilariously bad, too. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
143
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:49:00 -
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this thread is a quality example of an issue that hasn't been discussed to death. +1 in local |
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Kobal81
Awesome Corp
13
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Posted - 2012.05.04 03:22:00 -
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Cheer up, here's eh tissue |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
632
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Posted - 2012.05.04 03:22:00 -
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Could CCP be telling you to GTFO of highsec? Really, this is the only place where wardecs are a problem and you can leave at anytime . And highsec is not safe...its safer....since you can at anytime shut up, nut up, ball out, and actually just for once in your ******* MMO career in EVE just get a big ******* battleship, get several friends if you have to, and fire while turning off that CONCORD warning. See, you too can lose something at the same time as the guy you are about to destroy to show them...its not safe, it is only you holding you back with the fear of *laughs* risk adversion to losing something. You can't say "highsec is safe" while at the same time "get all the benifits, all the safety of highsec, and still pulling the trigger since you are a ******* hypocrite you risk free carebear where no third party is actually attack you unlike say a random roaming gang of pirates interrupting your fight" . Oh yeah....faction warfare is no wardec charge...enjoy! |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc Order of the Void
298
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Posted - 2012.05.04 03:40:00 -
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I'm not a wardeccer and Im not against Wardeccers, but:
You are paying for targets right? napkin math, correct me if my math is off.
If you have a 50 man corp, its going to cost 1.5 million per target If you have a 10 man corp, its going to cost you 5.5 million per target.
So while the base rate may be more expensive, your per target cost is reduced as the size of the target corp is increased
The chance of killing some people in a 50 man corp is greater than killing someone in a 10 man corp, assuming the 10 man corp isnt a bunch of idiots. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
248
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:02:00 -
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One man Corps will now be characters that never undock and take Ore and reproc from a trade window, from an NPC corp alt.
You can't force PvP but keep trying, CCP. By all means, keep trying. |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies THE UNTHINKABLES
49
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:06:00 -
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oh nnoooooooo |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
801
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:08:00 -
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Skydell wrote:One man Corps will now be characters that never undock and take Ore and reproc from a trade window, from an NPC corp alt.
You can't force PvP but keep trying, CCP. By all means, keep trying. Ban NPC corps. |
Bane Necran
449
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:08:00 -
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I assume it's due to 0.0 alliances not liking how smaller hisec entities can dec them easily, and pick their members off as they come into hisec to buy things.
There really is no end to the coddling of 0.0 alliances. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
801
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:10:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:I assume it's due to 0.0 alliances not liking how smaller hisec entities can dec them easily, and pick their members off as they come into hisec to buy things.
There really is no end to the coddling of 0.0 alliances. yeah that has to be it, too bad there's no such things as alts in this game |
Bane Necran
449
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:14:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:yeah that has to be it, too bad there's no such things as alts in this game
I've never seen anyone go mental over alt corps wardeccing, but meltdowns over 0.0 people getting killed in hisec are hilariously common. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
802
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:34:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:yeah that has to be it, too bad there's no such things as alts in this game I've never seen anyone go mental over alt corps wardeccing. lol |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6385
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:38:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:What do you think CCP have done to address the concerns of the players that this change will affect? That's right they've pushed ahead with the mechanic with no change to the pricing structure. Yes, but at least they haven't given any reason for it aside from GÇ£each method has its pros and consGÇ¥GǪ oh wait, that's not a good thing is it? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
248
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:42:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Skydell wrote:One man Corps will now be characters that never undock and take Ore and reproc from a trade window, from an NPC corp alt.
You can't force PvP but keep trying, CCP. By all means, keep trying. Ban NPC corps.
Wouldn't it be simpler to just cut the crap and remove High Sec?
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
802
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:46:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Skydell wrote:One man Corps will now be characters that never undock and take Ore and reproc from a trade window, from an NPC corp alt.
You can't force PvP but keep trying, CCP. By all means, keep trying. Ban NPC corps. Wouldn't it be simpler to just cut the crap and remove High Sec? Highsec has a legitimate purpose, NPC corps do not. |
Luna Tiche
Its Happened
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:53:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Skydell wrote:One man Corps will now be characters that never undock and take Ore and reproc from a trade window, from an NPC corp alt.
You can't force PvP but keep trying, CCP. By all means, keep trying. Ban NPC corps. Wouldn't it be simpler to just cut the crap and remove High Sec?
Thats it, the truck won't start so use a stick of dynamite to start it!
1) close the loopholes
2) decent price model
3) Merc market
4) Incite Chaos |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
248
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:55:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Skydell wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Skydell wrote:One man Corps will now be characters that never undock and take Ore and reproc from a trade window, from an NPC corp alt.
You can't force PvP but keep trying, CCP. By all means, keep trying. Ban NPC corps. Wouldn't it be simpler to just cut the crap and remove High Sec? Highsec has a legitimate purpose, NPC corps do not.
What purpose would that be? Blob is blob is blob. In a few years when every main is in a 20K Alliance and 70% are still in high sec, reflect on this day.
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Conrad Makbure
Phoibe Enterprises
7
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:33:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:I'm not a wardeccer and Im not against Wardeccers, but:
You are paying for targets right? napkin math, correct me if my math is off.
If you have a 50 man corp, its going to cost 1.5 million per target If you have a 10 man corp, its going to cost you 5.5 million per target.
So while the base rate may be more expensive, your per target cost is reduced as the size of the target corp is increased
The chance of killing some people in a 50 man corp is greater than killing someone in a 10 man corp, assuming the 10 man corp isnt a bunch of idiots.
Yes, your numbers check out and I see what you're getting at, but still. A small 10 man corporation is going to have 1 large control tower (if they even have a tower). That tower will get wiped out and that's part of the big picture here, mechanics aside. The reality is, corporations with control towers will make juicy targets for ganker alliances just looking to pad kills and get a POS bash as a bonus. A small corp will not be able to defend that tower for long.
Or they could go back to using 30 day queues, zooming though low sec in a shuttle, across 15 jumps with 10 BPO's for some mediocre research that would otherwise take a day to knock out in a corp tower with a lab.
The new system ******* sucks for small corporations. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
364
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:35:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Skydell wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Skydell wrote:One man Corps will now be characters that never undock and take Ore and reproc from a trade window, from an NPC corp alt.
You can't force PvP but keep trying, CCP. By all means, keep trying. Ban NPC corps. Wouldn't it be simpler to just cut the crap and remove High Sec? Highsec has a legitimate purpose, NPC corps do not. What purpose would that be? Blob is blob is blob. In a few years when every main is in a 20K Alliance and 70% are still in high sec, reflect on this day.
What blob would that be? Blob is blob is blob. In a few blob when every blob is in a 20K blob and 70% are still in blob sec, reflect on this blob.
OMG blobloblobloblobloblobloblob Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
364
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:37:00 -
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Maybe those highsec dwellers should form a large, unified High sec Alliance, with firm leadership and a good income model. But we all know that high-sec children can't ever play nice together. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
582
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:38:00 -
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Yay! War decs are finally being fixed.
Bout time CCP!
It's not rocket surgery. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
805
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:40:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Maybe those highsec dwellers should form a large, unified High sec Alliance, with firm leadership and a good income model. But we all know that high-sec children can't ever play nice together. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipg4EL_JUyE |
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