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Cpt Roghie
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:12:00 -
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I still can't understand why people have so much against Goonswarm. They're hilarious. Why?
Because I can.
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TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression Dragoons.
159
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:35:00 -
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Cpt Roghie wrote:I still can't understand why people have so much against Goonswarm. They're hilarious.
They're a big groups of players who have gotten together and worked towards a common goal, taking over space and seizing tech moons\CSM seats and in game sway through an amount of hard work and coordination.
That's wrong because Johnny empire and his 6 friends can't get a tech moon and QQ.
I'm not a fan of the goons, I don't like the whole "break your game" aspect of things but then conflict is what makes eve interesting. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
250
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:40:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Zagdul wrote:It costs me 54billion isk a month to run my alliance's infrastructure and logistics.
As it stands, an empire griefer alliance can shut that down for pocket change. A few dudes looking to kill unguarded ships who don't fire back isn't what war declarations intention was when they were introduced.
The people who are upset are the ones who declare war against entities to grief their pilots, not actually fight them in empire.
This fix to a broken mechanic is long over due.
Maybe you should guard your infrastructure sending escorts along with your haulers to protect them, seriously you expect high sec to be safe so you can carebear along happily picking up the shopping? Last time I went on an FA logistics escort we had around a hundred combat ships, didnt see any war targets coming at us for 'good fights'. If you dont know what you are talking about, its best not to talk. Lick Windows much? Firstly what does good fights have to do with anything?? We're not talking about 'good fights', we're talking about Zagdul crying that that unguarded haulers were getting prevented by a couple dudes in highsec, so either those hundred combat ships are afk or you're not talking about the day to day hauling in high sec. Now it doesn't matter who you are but if you want to be able to buy crap in highsec and move back to your lowsec/0.0 base then you need to be flying escort and guarding the damn ships all the way through. Highsec isn't safe for the little 1 man corp noob miner sitting in a belt and it should be for the 1000+ strong alliance in 0.0 who wants risk free empire hauling. So feel free to take your own advise. I told you to stop talking so stop now please before you embarass yourself more.
He had you by the balls there eh rico , come on admit it . |
Cpt Roghie
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:43:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote:I still can't understand why people have so much against Goonswarm. They're hilarious. They're a big groups of players who have gotten together and worked towards a common goal, taking over space and seizing tech moons\CSM seats and in game sway through an amount of hard work and coordination. That's wrong because Johnny empire and his 6 friends can't get a tech moon and QQ. I'm not a fan of the goons, I don't like the whole "break your game" aspect of things but then conflict is what makes eve interesting.
and here I was, thinking it had something to do with how stupid others are to fall for their scams Why?
Because I can.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:57:00 -
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Cpt Roghie wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote:I still can't understand why people have so much against Goonswarm. They're hilarious. They're a big groups of players who have gotten together and worked towards a common goal, taking over space and seizing tech moons\CSM seats and in game sway through an amount of hard work and coordination. That's wrong because Johnny empire and his 6 friends can't get a tech moon and QQ. I'm not a fan of the goons, I don't like the whole "break your game" aspect of things but then conflict is what makes eve interesting. and here I was, thinking it had something to do with how stupid others are to fall for their scams
Or that they behave like total ***** ingame and on forum .... good we now know the REAL reason. |
Cpt Roghie
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:59:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote:I still can't understand why people have so much against Goonswarm. They're hilarious. They're a big groups of players who have gotten together and worked towards a common goal, taking over space and seizing tech moons\CSM seats and in game sway through an amount of hard work and coordination. That's wrong because Johnny empire and his 6 friends can't get a tech moon and QQ. I'm not a fan of the goons, I don't like the whole "break your game" aspect of things but then conflict is what makes eve interesting. and here I was, thinking it had something to do with how stupid others are to fall for their scams Or that they behave like total ***** ingame and on forum .... good we now know the REAL reason.
Pssst... Guys I think he's a little bit mad. Where did they touch you son? :(
Why?
Because I can.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3044
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:18:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:http://www.evenews24.com/2012/05/03/insight-the-other-cost-of-war/ How much does Eve luv your corp? Please everyone put an end to inflation & declare war on the Goons so the WarDec ISK sink eleminates all inflation you know they already announced they plan to cap the maximum price right |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:36:00 -
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Schalac wrote:Zagdul wrote:It costs me 54billion isk a month to run my alliance's infrastructure and logistics.
As it stands, an empire griefer alliance can shut that down for pocket change. A few dudes looking to kill unguarded ships who don't fire back isn't what war declarations intention was when they were introduced.
The people who are upset are the ones who declare war against entities to grief their pilots, not actually fight them in empire.
This fix to a broken mechanic is long over due.
How is it anyones fault but your own if you are going to move items unguarded? This is why we send gun trucks with supply convoys and why submarines would flank transport ships moving goods between continents.
If something expensive is being moved, we guard it. However, suggesting it's good game design to do this daily makes you look really mentally challenged.
It's not rocket surgery. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:44:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:They don't need a wardec to fight Goons, all they have to do is fly into Goon held space and they can fight them all they want - no wardec needed. I see this argument all the time in discussions involving the wardec system and null sec corps. It's horribly, horribly flawed.
Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao have struggled to arrange a fight for years, but I've not once seen anyone suggest that Pacquiao just show up at Mayweather's front door and pick a fight with him amidst his entourage. To do so would be suicidal. No Empire corp/alliance is stupid enough to attempt such a thing (or at least I would hope not).
People get all caught up in arguments about what is "real PvP" and how Empire PvP is "cheap ganking", etc. and I just find that odd. It seems that most large alliances want to force everyone into outmoded phalanx-style warfare where all lines are clearly delineated and they quickly degenerate into simple battles-by-numbers that are decided by simple attrition. It brings to mind 18th-century Imperial military thinking: "Let's have both sides march toward one another in formation, stop in a neutral field, and on an agreed-upon signal begin firing until one side has no men left." That's all that is acceptable? I've never heard anyone claim that the American Revolution, Vietnam, Iraq, The Troubles, Darfur, and the like weren't "real". I guess it could be funny, though..."OMG NERF CASTRO STUPID PUBBIE CAREBEAR GANKED MY BATISTA NO FAIR."
It's funny how the larger alliances all seem to support asymmetric warfare in situations they instigate (the recent Burn Jita campaign being an excellent example) but don't believe the reverse should apply to them (terrorism, guerilla skirmish wars, etc). |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
247
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:49:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote: Maybe you should guard your infrastructure sending escorts along with your haulers to protect them, seriously you expect high sec to be safe so you can carebear along happily picking up the shopping?
Why does every option for being able to function in this game involve some crappy gameplay option for someone?
Who the hell wants to guard haulers or miners...that sucks.
Why do people have to suffer ****** duties like this to be able to just run a corporation's day to day functions like logistics and mining?
Stop asking for more of this kind of thing.
It's like you aren't allowed to have fun in EvE unless somebody is paying a price in terms of boring gameplay. You could include mining in that too, to be honest.
To achieve anything substancial in EvE, somebody has to suffer. Is this the equivalent of grinding in EvE? |
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Rekon X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:54:00 -
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Or you could just ally like the rest of the server.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Clusterfuck_Coalition_(Player_coalition) I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all. |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:56:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Maybe now, empire griefer corps will put together proper fleets, come to null sec and fight us for real instead of hiding behind broken empire mechanics.
So let me get this correct. Now people have to play the game on your terms instead of playing the game the way they want? And you still think that EVE is a Sandbox game? Priceless. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3047
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:23:00 -
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Twulf wrote:Zagdul wrote:Maybe now, empire griefer corps will put together proper fleets, come to null sec and fight us for real instead of hiding behind broken empire mechanics. So let me get this correct. Now people have to play the game on your terms instead of playing the game the way they want? And you still think that EVE is a Sandbox game? Priceless. part of the joy of a sandbox game is kicking sand in your face until you get down on all fours, let us put the saddle on, and ride you around like a donkey |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
549
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:30:00 -
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All they have to do is have a modifier of "if alliance has sovernty war dec cost is a straight 200mil |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:40:00 -
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Keep the prices high and GTFO of highsec. Whats to worry about anymore...no need to wardec and you will rarely if ever get wardeced in null or low where its not needed. |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
137
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:52:00 -
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So lemme get this straight. Not even a week after Burn Jita, the CFC is complaining that its unfair and poor game design that there is a game mechanic that allows groups like us to kill their freighters in highsec, while also stating that we don't concern them at all despite posting more than any other group about how highsec wars need to be fixed.
Seriously, for a group that lives in nullsec, you spend more time whining about war decs than EVE-Uni. I'm sorry that groups like us prevent highsec from being totally safe like you apparently feel it should be. Please, tell me more about how the only time highsec logistics disruption becomes a valid game tactic is when you guys do it.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Ur235
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2012.05.04 16:13:00 -
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I like it tbh as long as CCP sorts the trial accounts and alt accounts thing out its a great idea. Wars should mean something and be for a proper reason not just to camp a gate or a station so we can kill a 30bill isk freighter with no resistance whatsoever. And if they do come and fight us we can just dock up not fight until they go away and get back to killing freighters and unlucky sods who end up in the wrong system at the wrong time because thats the only reason we wardeced them for.
It is worrying the effect it could have on smaller less expensive corps and alliances though, but at least they will be able to hire people to fight for them and alongside them. Never know some corps might pop up and do it for free. Also its worrying how RVB will be able to keep functioning if there wardecs are costing 2 bill or more a week at least they declare war on each other for good fights hmm |
xavier69
Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:30:00 -
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base cost of war 50m starting plus 500k per person x1 = 50.5m
Example #1
50M starting plus 500k per person (Goonswarm) = 4.297 Billion to war decree
Example #2 50M starting plus 500k per person (xxdeathxx) = 789.5m to war decree
Example #3 small corp 50M starting plus 500k per person (12-man corp)= 56m to war decree
This clearly favors the larger alliances and is bordering on CHEATING by ccp , i dont see how this fixed the decree shielding ?
CCP hasnt had a balanced or good idea sense dominion most of CCP choices are based on $$ not the game well being so this kind of idiot trash from devs i have come to expect.
I understand why ccp makes the most money off the largest alliances so keeping them around means more profit margin for CCP |
Ur235
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:35:00 -
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xavier69 wrote:base cost of war 50m starting plus 500k per person x1 = 50.5m
Example #1
50M starting plus 500k per person (Goonswarm) = 4.297 Billion to war decree
Example #2 50M starting plus 500k per person (xxdeathxx) = 789.5m to war decree
Example #3 small corp 50M starting plus 500k per person (12-man corp)= 56m to war decree
This clearly favors the larger alliances and is bordering on CHEATING by ccp , i dont see how this fixed the decree shielding ?
CCP hasnt had a balanced or good idea sense dominion most of CCP choices are based on $$ not the game well being so this kind of idiot trash from devs i have come to expect.
I understand why ccp makes the most money off the largest alliances so keeping them around means more profit margin for CCP
Do you ohnestly think a bunch of ganks on loan pilots in high sec are really going to make the rest of the members of the alliance quit? Get a grip man hmm |
Mordecai LXXXIII
Dacite Technology
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:35:00 -
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Andski wrote:look at these scrubs who think that wardecs from jita 4-4 camping "mercenaries" are a concern to nullsec alliances
It's kinda cute. |
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xavier69
Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:44:00 -
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Quote:Do you ohnestly think a bunch of ganks on loan pilots in high sec are really going to make the rest of the members of the alliance quit? (especially these much larger alliances) Get a grip man
Stop with the OMG CCP wants to keep so and so members for money bullshit
No the point kid is if i want to war them and not take standing hits for ganking my memebers with alts that are allready -10 i should be able too
do i think they will quit ? no however ccp is with rules changes making it impossible for me to defend my players from gankers
ill even spell it out for U
Goonswarm decides to gank my mining members wtih -10 alts in high sec, Now to beable to defend my memebers from goondswarm i need to war them so i can fight them in high sec o wait 4.2billion isk i think just got screwed
so now my friends have to hide or attack back and get concored this gives large alliance way too much power
The fact they can just sucide gank all day and not get war anymore cause its to expensive is enough for me to call bullshit on these forums |
Ur235
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:53:00 -
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xavier69 wrote:Quote:Do you ohnestly think a bunch of ganks on loan pilots in high sec are really going to make the rest of the members of the alliance quit? (especially these much larger alliances) Get a grip man
Stop with the OMG CCP wants to keep so and so members for money bullshit No the fooking point kid is if i want to war them and not take standing hits for ganking my memebers with alts that are allready -10 i should be able to fooker do i think they will quit ? no however ccp is with rules changes making it impossible for me to defend my players from gankers
Allrite my apologies I completley read that post wrong I do actually see your point now, but to be fair its highly unlikely a huge 0.0 alliance like Goonswarm or whatever is going to wardec your small 12 man corp when they have got a huge area of space to fight and pve in. Unless you have caused them some serious pain and inconveniance, and if that is the case they would have a reason to wardec you anyways. And you took that risk by doing whatever you did to them first, and remember there is always the hire a merc option if they do thats also coming with Inferno hmm |
Ur235
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:00:00 -
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xavier69 wrote:Quote:Do you ohnestly think a bunch of ganks on loan pilots in high sec are really going to make the rest of the members of the alliance quit? (especially these much larger alliances) Get a grip man
Stop with the OMG CCP wants to keep so and so members for money bullshit No the point kid is if i want to war them and not take standing hits for ganking my memebers with alts that are allready -10 i should be able too do i think they will quit ? no however ccp is with rules changes making it impossible for me to defend my players from gankers ill even spell it out for U Goonswarm decides to gank my mining members wtih -10 alts in high sec, Now to beable to defend my memebers from goondswarm i need to war them so i can fight them in high sec o wait 4.2billion isk i think just got screwed so now my friends have to hide or attack back and get concored this gives large alliance way too much power The fact they can just sucide gank all day and not get war anymore cause its to expensive is enough for me to call bullshit on these forums
If there -10 you can shoot them anyways for free dont get your point here
hmm |
xavier69
Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:07:00 -
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example should be -5 or standing to correctly work
goonswarm and larger alliances do have alot of ganking alts in empire space
if they warred i could shoot back and there would be no problem but they wont they will just gank and that's the problem because the cost to war them for ganking is too high.
do i belive i would make a dent in them no but with 71m skill points i bet i can make them move on to easyier targets in empire. but if i cant shoot them till i pay 42 billion isk thats idiocy
agian i have no problem with goonswarm nor have they ever wronged me in anyway
however this mechanic is borked beyond imagination and there size showcases it the best
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Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:08:00 -
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I love how when highsec players complain about getting blow up in highsec, the nullers respond with "HTFU".
When nullers get blown up in highsec, they respond with "Come to null and fight us!" |
Cpt Roghie
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:09:00 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:I love how when highsec players complain about getting blow up in highsec, the nullers respond with "HTFU".
When nullers get blown up in highsec, they respond with "Come to null and fight us!"
And the w-space crew: Not a single **** was given that day. Why?
Because I can.
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ChaeDoc II
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:21:00 -
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Obviously this only benefits Goonswarm and not all the other massive alliances too.
And seriously, Goonswarm couldn't give a **** about high sec war decs. The major alliances are self-sustaining and need Jita, Rens and Amarr for precious little and anything they do needs those market hubs for they can get with neutral alts so all this tinfoil faggotry is nothing but entertainment to them. Keep it up plz. |
Ur235
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:23:00 -
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xavier69 wrote:example should be -5 or standing to correctly work
goonswarm and larger alliances do have alot of ganking alts in empire space
if they warred i could shoot back and there would be no problem but they wont they will just gank and that's the problem because the cost to war them for ganking is too high.
do i belive i would make a dent in them no but with 71m skill points i bet i can make them move on to easyier targets in empire. but if i cant shoot them till i pay 42 billion isk thats idiocy
agian i have no problem with goonswarm nor have they ever wronged me in anyway
however this mechanic is borked beyond imagination and there size showcases it the best
Doesnt that just go back to not being afk and actually being active whilst mining? I mean if im going to run a plex in low or null im not just gonna drop sentry drones in my domi set them to agressive and go afk for 20 mins. im going to be constantly aware of whats on my scanner and my overview and gtfo if things look like there going to take a turn for the worse.
I know its almost impossible to not do mining afk in high sec because its so boring but it deosnt give you the right just because your in high sec to go afk and not worry about your ship. If you really do want to go afk then its prob best to get a bs because no one is gonna sucide gank that unless there incredibly stupid. sure its gonna turn less profit but you literally have 0 chance of being suicide ganked and therefore save you isk in the long run
Tbh CCP need to come up with a totally new way of mining to make it more fun anyways like some sort of automated crews that you train for or something but im pretty sure thats a longg way off
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
568
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:11:00 -
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ChaeDoc II wrote:Obviously this only benefits Goonswarm and not all the other massive alliances too.
And seriously, Goonswarm couldn't give a **** about high sec war decs. The major alliances are self-sustaining and need Jita, Rens and Amarr for precious little and anything they do needs those market hubs for they can get with neutral alts so all this tinfoil faggotry is nothing but entertainment to them. Keep it up plz. Not strictly true. Some of these super rifters take (billions?) of Tritanium. And you better bet we're not mining Veldspar out there... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Adria Origin
Yar Har Fiddle Di Dee
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:08:00 -
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Read OP, skipped the rest.
You do realize it costs you nothing extra to shoot goons? They live in null sec. You don't need to dec them, just fly to null sec and shoot them. No CONCORD. No security status penalty. Just shoot.
Or we can all, you know, sit around and cry about it. Whatever. |
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