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Teamosil
Minmatar Good Time Family Band Solution
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Posted - 2009.04.15 02:45:00 -
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Edited by: Teamosil on 15/04/2009 02:45:39 As I understand it, for a ship ransom price to be viable it needs to be lower than the cost of replacing the ship, buying new insurance, and replacing it's modules minus the insurance payout, and it needs to be higher than the value of the loot the pirate would get from blowing up the ship. If it's over the price of replacing the ship, the victim won't pay and if it's under the value of the loot, the pirate wouldn't offer it. Right?
For example, if I'm flying around in a cyclone, the cost of replacing it after insurance is about $25m and the loot would be worth about $10m. So the range where a deal could potentially be struck would be $10m to $25m. Probably at the lower end if the victim has no reason to trust that the pirate will honor it and probably at the higher end if they do. Anything outside of that range would be a losing proposition for one party or the other and would be rejected.
But in actuality it seems like people consistently ask for a ransom somewhere between 2 and 10 times the cost of replacing the ship... Which is why nobody ever pays ransoms... Am I missing something? Is ransom just being used as a means to sucker nubs with bad math skills? Or do pirates figure every ship is loaded up with t2 rigs or something?
Pod ransom is a different animal because you have no idea what implants the person has or how much of a pita it will be for them to be sent back to wherever their clone is. So that ends up just being some kind of guessing game based on how old the player is and whatnot, but I imagine that most times the pod is worth less to the player than the ship. People with expensive implants typically don't wear them in situations where they might get blown up.
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Bai ZongTong
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.04.15 02:46:00 -
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i am ransoming this thread for 10B.
realistic c/d? ---
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Teamosil
Minmatar Good Time Family Band Solution
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Posted - 2009.04.15 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Bai ZongTong i am ransoming this thread for 10B.
realistic c/d?
Way too low. You can loot 15B worth of wisdom from it easy.
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Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.04.15 02:55:00 -
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Why ransom at all? OR is ransom implied when you are asking for money while killing a target? Even if the word ransom is not used in any shape and or form .
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Psilosarxia
Minmatar Grimm Retiarii Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.04.15 03:00:00 -
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I once had an Omen pinned down, worth less than 5 mil to buy new off the market. Since I was relatively new at the time, I had no real idea of the value, so I'd do quick market searches when the time came. So I bust open the market window, and for whatever reason, accidently typed in "Curse" in the search bar instead of "Omen."
Then I ask him for a 30 million ISK ransom, and he says, "Whoa, whoa, that's pretty high, I can only go as high as 7 million ISK."
Sometimes asking a ludicrously high price can pay off!
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Bai ZongTong
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.04.15 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Teamosil
Originally by: Bai ZongTong i am ransoming this thread for 10B.
realistic c/d?
Way too low. You can loot 15B worth of wisdom from it easy.
so i guess 10B is reasonable 4 u then.
plz xfer isk 2 me acc. tx. ---
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Teamosil
Minmatar Good Time Family Band Solution
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Posted - 2009.04.15 03:12:00 -
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Every ransom conversation I've had so far has gone something like this:
Pirate> Give me $100m and we won't pod you Me> Um, my implants are only worth $3m.. Maybe I'd pay something for keeping my ship Pirate> Ok, $150m and we let your cyclone go Me> How about $15m? *I get podded* *pirate flies away with $10m in loot wondering why he didn't take the $15m*
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Teamosil
Minmatar Good Time Family Band Solution
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Posted - 2009.04.15 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bai ZongTong so i guess 10B is reasonable 4 u then. plz xfer isk 2 me acc. tx.
How do I know you won't just pod my thread anyways? ...stalling... ...stalling.... *thread self destructs*
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Bai ZongTong
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.04.15 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Teamosil Every ransom conversation I've had so far has gone something like this:
Pirate> Give me $100m and we won't pod you Me> Um, my implants are only worth $3m.. Maybe I'd pay something for keeping my ship Pirate> Ok, $150m and we let your cyclone go Me> How about $15m? *I get podded* *pirate flies away with $10m in loot wondering why he didn't take the $15m*
because you can associate a monetary value to a nice explosion combined with a real killmail.
although these days fake killmails seems to do the job better... :/ ---
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Bai ZongTong
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.04.15 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Teamosil
Originally by: Bai ZongTong so i guess 10B is reasonable 4 u then. plz xfer isk 2 me acc. tx.
How do I know you won't just pod my thread anyways? ...stalling... ...stalling.... *thread self destructs*
cuz i have honor. ---
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Acedias
Atropos Asylum
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Posted - 2009.04.15 05:00:00 -
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Edited by: Acedias on 15/04/2009 05:02:03 Unreasonable ransoms can be amusing though, hell most of the time I offer ransoms they are in the 500-800mil region. For some poor chap's pod or vexor.
If I was only firing at people for the money this game would have become boring a long time ago eh?
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.04.15 05:11:00 -
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Edited by: MirrorGod on 15/04/2009 05:12:03 A killmail is worth alot to me, if the payout doesn't outwiegh me getting a kill, I don't care too much about that ransom payout. Who knows, who says you -don't- have crystals in the pod or a Gist-A type on that raven? If you do, I get 350 to not get a raven mail, if you don't, I get a battleship killmail. Win-win
disclaimer: alot of my ransoms are pretty reasonable and I make a nice small income off it along with my gangmates
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Jhoria Englside
Caldari Another Stupid Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.04.15 06:32:00 -
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pay attention to the damage a pod takes and youll know if the ransom you just dishonored was full of slaves or not. and this may seem unrealistic but if i have time my cov ops alt is usually in system with me and i like to scan people to give a good ransom. no way im going to dishonor a 50 mil ransom on a raven if i find out hes got faction loot. ill dishonor a couple hundred mil then.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.15 06:51:00 -
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I want to know where the anime girl with 1 red and 1 green eye is from....
Also, ransoming is too hard.. just pod em..
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Eddie Monaghan
Caldari Blood Money Bootcamp Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.15 06:51:00 -
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I don't dishonor ransoms.... No point, I like repeat business. As for ransoming the ship... I'll try for 5 mil for a frig that fought well. Chances are he's got a good fit and replacing those would be more expensive than the 5 mil ransom. I usually go for 10-15 mil on a pod. I know the guy might have implants, but I don't know that for sure. But likewise, I don't want to make parting with his isk to be such a pain that the next time I catch him he'll flat out refuse to pay. I don't really need the "Dude, last time you ****d the **** out of me, no way I'm paying this time" and then I don't get the money I'm after. I haven't ransomed too many cruisers, but my average is about 10-15 mil for those too. But then, this is only me flying solo. I don't need more than that per ransom
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.04.15 07:35:00 -
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I always base ransom at about 50% of uninsured value (this includes modules, rigs etc), I'm not interested in petty cash so if the target DID insure his ship then he's better off getting blown up, if he didn't he's better off paying.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Warrio
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.15 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Teamosil Teamosil
Nice name and corp name. Terrible thread though. sXe |
Cyprus Black
Caldari Elitist Jerks Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Teamosil But in actuality it seems like people consistently ask for a ransom somewhere between 2 and 10 times the cost of replacing the ship... Which is why nobody ever pays ransoms... Am I missing something? Is ransom just being used as a means to sucker nubs with bad math skills? Or do pirates figure every ship is loaded up with t2 rigs or something?
You are not missing anything. Most pirates are complete idiots. Monkeys with guns. But to be fair they don't really loose anything by making outrageous ransoms. Quote: Pod ransom is a different animal because you have no idea what implants the person has or how much of a pita it will be for them to be sent back to wherever their clone is. So that ends up just being some kind of guessing game based on how old the player is and whatnot, but I imagine that most times the pod is worth less to the player than the ship. People with expensive implants typically don't wear them in situations where they might get blown up.
Sometimes they do. Players do strange things ingame.
As a general rule of thumb, NEVER PAY RANSOMS EVER. There are far too many pirates out there dishonoring ransoms that it's just not rational to take that chance. ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. |
Sol'Kanar
SRIUS BISNIS Band of Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black As a general rule of thumb, NEVER PAY RANSOMS EVER. There are far too many pirates out there dishonoring ransoms that it's just not rational to take that chance.
Lies. Always pay ransoms. Hell, pay double. I'm so full of honour I have to wear an adult diaper to keep it all in. Arg, I need a new sig. |
Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin I want to know where the anime girl with 1 red and 1 green eye is from....
Also, ransoming is too hard.. just pod em..
Rozen Maiden ;)
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Makk
Originally by: Lana Torrin I want to know where the anime girl with 1 red and 1 green eye is from....
Also, ransoming is too hard.. just pod em..
Rozen Maiden ;)
You forgot something there ~
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
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CrimsonLobo
Caldari Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:42:00 -
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I always forget to ransom, i like killmails too much
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z0de
Gallente The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.04.15 16:19:00 -
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5 reasons: Rigs Time it gets to get a new ship, some people love isk/hour no km shame for them Saves the pod too You don't always have the luxury of a ship/cargo scanner So many in gang anything less than what you ask for isn't worth it á á
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Bai ZongTong
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.04.15 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Makk
Originally by: Lana Torrin I want to know where the anime girl with 1 red and 1 green eye is from....
Also, ransoming is too hard.. just pod em..
Rozen Maiden ;)
Rozen Maiden is the anime series... the girls name is Suiseiseki ---
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.04.15 17:49:00 -
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When I get a descent ransom, I will pay. You ask for too much, I will tell you you did. You won't negotiate the prices, I'll let you waste the ammo and pick up my lowsy T1 items adn take the sec hit. No problems.
The thing that did irk me was when they asked for a ranson and 5 secs later popped me while I was trying to get them the money.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.04.15 17:54:00 -
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I spotted a golem, and wanted to ransom for 3-5billion. but apparently we wanted the kill mail that day. I think it was this one
I don't like km whoring much, that and we get so many I would have paid the ransom for my ship, but not my pod, **** you guys.
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Sol'Kanar
SRIUS BISNIS Band of Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.04.15 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Clausewitz The thing that did irk me was when they asked for a ranson and 5 secs later popped me while I was trying to get them the money.
lol, pay faster. Arg, I need a new sig. |
Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.04.15 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Traidor Disloyal on 15/04/2009 17:59:07
Originally by: Sol'Kanar
Originally by: Cyprus Black As a general rule of thumb, NEVER PAY RANSOMS EVER. There are far too many pirates out there dishonoring ransoms that it's just not rational to take that chance.
Lies. Always pay ransoms. Hell, pay double. I'm so full of honour I have to wear an adult diaper to keep it all in.
Last time I killed something was a Tempest Fleet Issue and it went something like this:
Me: You like that ship? You have 10 seconds to give me 100 million. Him: Wait Me: You have 7 seconds Him:..... Me: Bye Bye
At least I remembered to ask for it this time. Usually I don't even bother.
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.15 18:49:00 -
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Since when did things in eve cost dollars? And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now |
Sikander 2
Caldari The Astral Order
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Posted - 2009.04.15 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Since when did things in eve cost dollars?
since ebay Sikander 2 - Stuck in Jita since 2008 |
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