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Freay Chrome
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Posted - 2009.04.15 07:20:00 -
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So finally got me an Orca and used it for a mining op.. however it doesn't seem to help alot. Some bonuses are aplied eg. laser range and cycle time from the mindlinks but not the mining amount.. So my questions is.. where in the fleet should I be? Squad cammander and booster or squad commander and set fleetbooster? or fleet commander?
And is it because I need wingcommander V and fleetcommand before the bonuses are aplied correctly?
Thanks in advance
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Tenshi Kimura
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Posted - 2009.04.15 07:27:00 -
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Well if you only have the "leadership" skill you can command a squad, you need "Wing Commander" to lead a wing. As far as the bonuses go to apply them you need to be set as "Booster". whoes "Boss" and such have no effect.
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Dunkle Lars
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Posted - 2009.04.15 09:00:00 -
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Ok. I've leadership V, Mining Foreman V and Mining Director V but although I'm squadbooster only the bonuses from the mindlinks are aplied. Not the mining amount bonus from Mining Foreman
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.15 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: GyokZoli on 15/04/2009 09:55:43
Originally by: Dunkle Lars Ok. I've leadership V, Mining Foreman V and Mining Director V but although I'm squadbooster only the bonuses from the mindlinks are aplied. Not the mining amount bonus from Mining Foreman
I think you must be the fleet booster. Check the Mining Foreman skill description.
Quote: Mining Foreman description
Basic proficiency at coordinating mining operations. Grants a 2% bonus to fleet members' mining yield per level. Note: The fleet bonus only works if you are the assigned fleet booster.
BTW: it has nothing to do with the Orca, it does not matter what ship you are in for this skill to work. And I think you also have to be the squad leader in your squad to have it working properly. So you must be the fleet booster and the squad leader.
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Gieron
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.04.15 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dunkle Lars Ok. I've leadership V, Mining Foreman V and Mining Director V but although I'm squadbooster only the bonuses from the mindlinks are aplied. Not the mining amount bonus from Mining Foreman
That doesn't sound possible. If the mind links are applied then the mining foreman bonus should work as well. There is no game mechanic that could explain what you are saying.
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Gieron
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.04.15 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: GyokZoli So you must be the fleet booster and the squad leader.
That's not entirely true. What he must be is fleet booster, wing booster OR squad booster (to boost the entire fleet, the wing he is in or the squad he is in respectively). The fleet also need appropriate leaders for the bonuses to get to everyone.
But if we take a simple example where everyone fits into a squad, he would be best of putting the Orca pilot as squad leader and squad booster (which he will be by default). Make sure the Orca pilot has enough skills to support everyone in the squad though.
The main point, however, is that this either works and he gets both the links bonuses and the foreman bonus. Or it doesn't work and he gets neither. I can't see any way that he could get the links bonuses but not the foreman bonus.
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.15 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: GyokZoli on 15/04/2009 10:43:41
Originally by: Gieron
Originally by: GyokZoli So you must be the fleet booster and the squad leader.
That's not entirely true. What he must be is fleet booster, wing booster OR squad booster (to boost the entire fleet, the wing he is in or the squad he is in respectively). The fleet also need appropriate leaders for the bonuses to get to everyone.
But if we take a simple example where everyone fits into a squad, he would be best of putting the Orca pilot as squad leader and squad booster (which he will be by default). Make sure the Orca pilot has enough skills to support everyone in the squad though.
The main point, however, is that this either works and he gets both the links bonuses and the foreman bonus. Or it doesn't work and he gets neither. I can't see any way that he could get the links bonuses but not the foreman bonus.
Trust me I have tried and the Mining Foreman bonus worked only when I (actually my alt) was the fleet booster. Ofcourse I could make something wrong... but I was talking about the skill only and not the ganglinks.
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Ishikari
Gallente Duct Tape Inc. New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.04.15 10:46:00 -
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Put the orca as squad leader.
What are your leadership skills at?
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Cyonix Maur
Caldari Durt Industries Inc
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Posted - 2009.04.15 11:51:00 -
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do u have the mining foreman mind link implant? Needs cybernetics V
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Gieron
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: GyokZoli Trust me I have tried and the Mining Foreman bonus worked only when I (actually my alt) was the fleet booster.
Ok, if you say so. I will check for myself some time.
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Freay Chrome
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Freay Chrome on 15/04/2009 12:23:02 I don't have the mining foreman mindlink yet.. still 12 days of training before I can use that..
Leadership skill = Leadership V, Mining Foreman V and Mining Director V
But maybe there's just too many people in the squad for it to work.. 8 people+ myself as squadleader.. Might just be as simple as that
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Freay Chrome
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Posted - 2009.04.15 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Freay Chrome on 15/04/2009 13:53:46 This is copied from Haladas mining guide: --------------- The fleet system is one that has been revamped very often. The structure, is very similar to this one:
The bonuses will be shared if you meet one of the following condition: √ You are the fleet commander √ You are a wing commander √ You are a squadron commander √ You were set either as fleet, wing or squadron booster
Note that you will only give bonuses to your familyÆs tree if you are a commander. If fleetcommander, the whole fleet will receive them. If wing commander, only the squadrons inyour wing, and if squadron commander, only your squadron.
This can be overwritten if the boss sets you as fleet booster. At this point you will be boosting the entire fleet, regardless the position you are in, and whether you are a commander or not.
However, for the bonuses to be applied, the wings and squadrons must have a commander. Every squadron without a commander, or every squadrons under a wing that doesnÆt have a commander will NOT receive any bonuses. Obviously, if there arenÆt any fleet commanders, nobody will get anything. ------------- So that means:
Fleet commander (No-one?) | |_ Wing 1 | |_ Wing commander (no-one?) | |_ Squadron Commander ( I should be here set as fleet booster?) | |_ Squadron 1 (the members that are mining) |_ Wing 2 | |_ Wing commander (empty) | |_ Squadron Commander (empty) | |_ Squadron 2 (empty)
Is that the correct setup when I have the skills : Leadership V, Mining foreman V and mining director V?
Or is it required that there's a fleetcommander and a wingcommander for the bonuses to work? And if yes is it required that the said fleet/wing commanders have the skills Fleet command and wingcommand?
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Freay Chrome Edited by: Freay Chrome on 15/04/2009 12:23:36 So finally got me an Orca and used it for a mining op.. however it doesn't seem to help alot. Some bonuses are aplied eg. laser range and cycle time from the mindlinks but not the mining amount.. So my questions is.. where in the fleet should I be? Squad commander and booster or squad commander and set fleetbooster? or fleet commander?
And is it because I need wingcommander V and fleetcommand before the bonuses are aplied correctly?
Thanks in advance
The orca has no bonus to mining amount or mindlinks. Only to effectiveness of gang links.
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Freay Chrome
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:38:00 -
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I know but the 10% yield increase from the Mining Foreman V skill isn't applied although the mindlink bonuses are
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Madir Olec
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Posted - 2009.04.15 17:18:00 -
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If you make the Orca pilot the Squad Commander and Squad Booster and put all of your miners in the Squad (up to 10 squad members if you have Leadership V) you should get the bonuses. You'll know that you set this up correctly when there is a green checkmark in the upper left corner of the fleet window as opposed to a red X.
You don't need a fleet or wing commander above you.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.04.16 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Freay Chrome I know but the 10% yield increase from the Mining Foreman V skill isn't applied although the mindlink bonuses are
The mining foreman skill is 10%, the mindlink bonus is 50% to the foreman bonus, since you can't stack effects on the same attribute, it actually instead replaces this with a 15% bonus. The foreman bonus is not applied separately.
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Pwett
QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2009.04.16 17:24:00 -
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Aye, it's base * (1 + (0.1 * 1.5)) _______________ <Q> QUANT Hegemony QUANT is rebuilding, EVE-Mail me for recruitment info. Item Database |
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