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Ogopogo Mu
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:12:00 -
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Mors Sanctitatis wrote:Kumi Mashiba wrote:Zahhadune wrote:Why do people assume that ECM stacks??? It doesn't, each module is independent of the next. If you have 4 multi spec ecm modules and each one has a 25% chance to jam that does mean they have a 100% chance to jam you. theoretically they still only have a 25% chance to jam you. Realistically its much higher. NOBODY thinks that how it works. The thing is every other module has diminishing returns. First TD cuts tracking 60%, then the next by 50%, then 30%, and so on, until the 100th TD does 0%. Whereas ECM, first jam has a 90% chance to jam, then the next has a 90% chance to jam, up until the 100th+ jam that STILL has a 90% chance to jam. No, it should not work this way; if there are several jams on a target, it they should get decreasingly effective. Again, NOBODY thinks 4x25% jams means a 100% chance to jam. Also, Damps, TPs and TDs ALL RECEIVE A STACKING PENALTY, in addition to their designed-in natural stacking issues.
Now petitioning CCP for stacking penalties on all things that don't really stack, including ECM, multiple remote repairs, more than one energy transfer array, triple reps on Myrmidons, and taking damage from more than one gun at a time. |
Kumi Mashiba
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.10 22:20:00 -
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Ogopogo Mu wrote:
Now petitioning CCP for stacking penalties on all things that don't really stack, including ECM, multiple remote repairs, more than one energy transfer array, triple reps on Myrmidons, and taking damage from more than one gun at a time.
Because EWAR and logistics are totally the same thing. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
395
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Posted - 2012.05.11 11:51:00 -
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ECM cycle time to 5 seconds. Skill to bring it to 10 seconds. Drones on agressive prioritize EW-ing enemies
ECM FIXED
The Kitsune is harder, but I'm thinking dropping the cost a bit, lowering the sig radius and giving it more EHP. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Niko Takahashi
United Starbase Systems
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:40:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
If it weren't for the Kitsune, I could have killed *every single ship* in the enemy gang. Sure, it was a gang of 12+, but nothing I couldn't handle. The only issue was that I was sitting there helpless, unable to lock ANYTHING, for the duration of the 'fight'.
You'd have been just as dead just as quickly if that Kitsune had been a Sentinel.
Exactly
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Caldari Citizen20110707
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:36:00 -
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Mors Sanctitatis wrote:Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:well a griffon is better than a kisune in meany ways so ya not that op. I also don't know how it was locking you further than your drone control range. and lastly they got lucky even with skills like mine a battle ship locked out for more than a cycle is rather lucky with the jam strenght they had (as if he was locking you at over 50-69k he had to have rigs/lows fit to lock range and not ECM str). If you were soloing in a BS you had to know that that any gang with more than 3 people may have an answer for ya with in there fits, what if it would have been a sentinel kitting and nueting you out? or what if they all had damps? would that make thos things op? I have lost every kitsune i have flown there one of the worse ewar frigs there only saving grace is the fact that they ECM, there horble fitting and short lock range with only 2 rigs is a joke. Assuming a drone control range of 45km, a Kitsune's base lock range, without any other bonuses, and all skills at 5, is 52.5km. A Hypnos Multispec with all skills at 5 has an optimal of 53km. That is just under 10km outside of drone range. If it weren't for the Kitsune, I could have killed *every single ship* in the enemy gang. Sure, it was a gang of 12+, but nothing I couldn't handle. The only issue was that I was sitting there helpless, unable to lock ANYTHING, for the duration of the 'fight'. A Sentinel neuting me? At least I can get my drones on it. Someone damping me? At least I would be able to lock the guys orbiting me at 1km. The Kitsune has 80% of the jamming strength of a Falcon, with just slightly better optimal, and five (!!!) mid slots. Damps have a stacking penalty. Why not ECM? ECM is still too powerful, the chance to jam is too high, and the countermeasures are still too ineffective to be considered worthwhile. If I fit an ECCM module or rig I expect to be virtually jam proof when attacked by multiple ECM ships. Currently that isn't the case, and additionally, if you buff ECCM to the point that it would work it ruins the balance for probing out ships.
omg your such a big fact twisting whinor, 5 mids, dont rly need mwd do you.... 80% of falcon... loool falcon has twice the jamm strengt and fits 50% more jammers.... the kitsube is 1/4th a falcon with less chance to get jammd.. get your facs right before whining.
if your battlrship can take on 12 ppl it obvous needs nerfing. if kitsunes are so rare that ony 1/13 is one than nothing is wrong with it. A kitsune is more expensive than you battleship without insurance..
you just being butthurt about flying into a gank. caus of babies like you the game isnt half as good as it used to be
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Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
153
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:45:00 -
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Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote: A kitsune is more expensive than you battleship without insurance..
Uhhh.... This is wrong.
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Madbuster73
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
32
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Posted - 2012.05.16 22:25:00 -
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ECM is way too overpowered and everybody knows it. Cycletime of jammers are also way too long. I mean, if jamming-ship gets a single jam on you, it takes over 20 seconds cycle + time you need to relock = DEAD That is if you are very lucky that jamming ship doesnt permajam you ( they mostly do) Last time I had a dual ECCM - Ladar Stabber Fleet Issue to fight against Blackbird and Rupture. the Blackbird pretty much permajammed me, he only lost a jam once. I got 20 seconds to lock up Rupture and shoot it 3 times, then I got permajammed again. and that was with 2 overheated anti-jamming modules :S
ECM = Overpowered, It should just make you loose lock, or jammingcycle should be shortened to 5 seconds or so. + ECCM modules need to get buffed from 50% more resistence to 100%.
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King Khaan
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.16 22:31:00 -
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Mors Sanctitatis wrote: Fun fact: due to the extremely long cycle time of ECM, they can be overheated for an entire fight (2-3 minutes at least) without burning out, further increasing their peak jam strength. It's ridiculous.
That was one thing i dint know.. Thanks man. I don't like ecm ships much, but when i do fly them i never used to overload.. Well, i might try this next time. |
Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
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Posted - 2012.05.16 23:35:00 -
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EW frigs should be balanced to counter larger Ewar like Falcons//Arazu. That would give them a nice niche and not overpower them. Also give the Falcons something to fear. |
Reina Supremus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.17 06:54:00 -
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A Keres becomes 500% more valuable when combined with Target jamming frigates if it fits scan resolution dampener scripts. |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.17 13:04:00 -
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Mors Sanctitatis wrote:So there I was, sitting around in my Megathron when a blob arrives sporting a Kitsune. Now, I have a healthy respect (hate?) for Falcons/Rooks, but I thought "all EAS are garbage, the Kitsune can't be that bad". Big mistake. Who knew it has 80% of the jam strength of a Falcon?
So yeah, me (solo) vs. blob w/ Kitsune = dead. But only because I was permajammed and never once had the opportunity to lock anyone. At all. Ever.
Soooo disappointing.
All of the other EAS are complete garbage. Why is the Kitsune so good in comparison? Do the other EAS need to be buffed? Is ECM simply overpowered and too good? I keep trying to find a situation where a frig would be justified permajamming a BS and I can't. Can you?
EAF's are not all garbage, specifically that one. Gallente one IS garbage because Damps are crap. Minamatar one is awesome. Amarr one IS garbage.
Couple a few caldari/matar EAF's in a frig gang with logistics and you will find out you can take out entire bigger gangs out of the field with almost no effort. |
Zeb Rain
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:41:00 -
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Ravcharas wrote:ECM shouldn't jam ships, it should jam modules.
Now this is a very interesting thought... |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2012.05.17 17:06:00 -
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Zeb Rain wrote:Ravcharas wrote:ECM shouldn't jam ships, it should jam modules. Now this is a very interesting thought...
A script for disabling weapons, another for disabling neuts, nos, smarties and RR, another for medslot tackle and ewar? Or just have different mods tbh. Interesting idea. |
Zeb Rain
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.05.17 18:18:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Zeb Rain wrote:Ravcharas wrote:ECM shouldn't jam ships, it should jam modules. Now this is a very interesting thought... A script for disabling weapons, another for disabling neuts, nos, smarties and RR, another for medslot tackle and ewar? Or just have different mods tbh. Interesting idea.
Or maybe just racks? could have different % to jam weaps/NoS from the % to jam Ewar mods - tackle etc. Imagine having your REPS jammed.. an entire sub branch of ECM could be possible and IMHO better than the *click* HAHA YOU DONE NOW FOO. Ecm = electronic counter measures. And change/get rid off ecm drones especially lights. i can see how heavy drones would have that ability but lights gotta go or get "balanced" |
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