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Hehron
The Flying Tigers Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.05.05 01:50:00 -
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I can't understand why CCP has not done this for a long time ago. Like any other MMO game ( or some ) to make it much harder to be a Macro miner.
How to do?
Simply let the game disconnect after 30 mins or so, when the mouse or keyboard haven't been used !
Kill some of the illegal ISK flow and it would also kill the so simpel AFK cloaky reds in a system. Never saw the AFK reds as very diffucult, frankly it's pretty gay. It's got nothing to do with with how good you fly, everyone can put an alt in a system and leave game.
Just my two cents
Hehron |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
288
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Posted - 2012.05.05 03:53:00 -
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No one wants your two cents.
Remove Local Chat! |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.05.05 04:58:00 -
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Xorv wrote:No one wants your two cents.
Remove Local Chat!
Yes please.
OP should take a hike. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Mushroom Dealer
Mushroom Cult
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Posted - 2012.05.07 06:50:00 -
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the technical knowledge of the OP is pretty amazing, because macrominers just log into eve and the game just starts mining by itself!?
WTF do you even know what a macro is? it replicates mouse and keyboard movements, and more or less plays the game for you. Also AFK cloaking is a viable balance against local and "oh **** a red in system I'll warp to station" if you wanna play eve-safe mode move the fack back to empire. TIA |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
74
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:15:00 -
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Hehron wrote:I can't understand why CCP has not done this for a long time ago. Like any other MMO game ( or some ) to make it much harder to be a Macro miner.
How to do?
Simply let the game disconnect after 30 mins or so, when the mouse or keyboard haven't been used !
Kill some of the illegal ISK flow and it would also kill the so simpel AFK cloaky reds in a system. Never saw the AFK reds as very diffucult, frankly it's pretty gay. It's got nothing to do with with how good you fly, everyone can put an alt in a system and leave game.
Just my two cents
Hehron
The CCP changed this rules in 2005. Was disconnected those pilots which didn't use his mouse or keyboard within 30 minutes. But the macroboters and afk cloakers always crying for CCP like a bunch of pu..., this is why they changed this nice function. I guess, if someone not playing dont waste the server resources from others, who play the game. +1 |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:53:00 -
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Xorv wrote:No one wants your two cents.
Remove Local Chat!
I know bettter idea than You, keep Local chat and give AFK tag on local.
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Raging YarrX
Black Fury
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:01:00 -
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Remove local! Think about the server resources that could be saved. |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
75
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:32:00 -
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Raging YarrX wrote:Remove local! Think about the server resources that could be saved.
No. Add to AFK tag to local or kick AFK players from game that could be save server resources. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:37:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote:Raging YarrX wrote:Remove local! Think about the server resources that could be saved. No. Add to AFK tag to local or kick AFK players from game that could be save server resources.
interisting, afk tag idea.
also removing local means more player created channels with more dynamic populations. not a server load saving device Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time. |
Raging YarrX
Black Fury
0
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:17:00 -
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I would like to see some data supporting your claim. |
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
498
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:54:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote:Raging YarrX wrote:Remove local! Think about the server resources that could be saved. No. Add to AFK tag to local or kick AFK players from game that could be save server resources.
No, that solves nothing. An AFK tag would just be removed with a simple little macro, and disconnecting people would **** boosters, scouts, miners, traders, freighter pilots and anyone involved in nullsec fights over royally for absolutely no reason. |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
75
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Posted - 2012.05.11 07:54:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Tiger's Spirit wrote:Raging YarrX wrote:Remove local! Think about the server resources that could be saved. No. Add to AFK tag to local or kick AFK players from game that could be save server resources. No, that solves nothing. An AFK tag would just be removed with a simple little macro, and disconnecting people would **** boosters, scouts, miners, traders, freighter pilots and anyone involved in nullsec fights over royally for absolutely no reason.
Scouts is afk ? Or just the afk cloakers is AFK ? Who dont do it anything until 30 minutes dont play. We know many players why want to remove local, because they are just horrible cloaking fags and want an iwin button. No way.
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
504
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Posted - 2012.05.11 09:50:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Tiger's Spirit wrote:Raging YarrX wrote:Remove local! Think about the server resources that could be saved. No. Add to AFK tag to local or kick AFK players from game that could be save server resources. No, that solves nothing. An AFK tag would just be removed with a simple little macro, and disconnecting people would **** boosters, scouts, miners, traders, freighter pilots and anyone involved in nullsec fights over royally for absolutely no reason. Scouts is afk ? Or just the afk cloakers is AFK ? Who dont do it anything until 30 minutes dont play. We know many players why want to remove local, because they are just horrible cloaking fags and want an iwin button. No way.
Talk to a wormhole guy about how long it takes them to scout out a hostile system.
And what about boosters, miners, traders, freighter pilots and anyone involved in nullsec fights? I see you picked up one one of the six example groups of people your change would affect, there are several others as well, and flat out ignored the rest. |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
80
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Posted - 2012.05.11 11:13:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Tiger's Spirit wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Tiger's Spirit wrote:Raging YarrX wrote:Remove local! Think about the server resources that could be saved. No. Add to AFK tag to local or kick AFK players from game that could be save server resources. No, that solves nothing. An AFK tag would just be removed with a simple little macro, and disconnecting people would **** boosters, scouts, miners, traders, freighter pilots and anyone involved in nullsec fights over royally for absolutely no reason. Scouts is afk ? Or just the afk cloakers is AFK ? Who dont do it anything until 30 minutes dont play. We know many players why want to remove local, because they are just horrible cloaking fags and want an iwin button. No way. Talk to a wormhole guy about how long it takes them to scout out a hostile system. And what about boosters, miners, traders, freighter pilots and anyone involved in nullsec fights? I see you picked up one one of the six example groups of people your change would affect, there are several others as well, and flat out ignored the rest.
And talk 0.0 guys about how can secure 147 systems same time without local when a cloakers can't catcheable because he got huge advantages from cloak. What abot you talking what involved in null sec fight ? The AFK players is involved from fight ? I think who is AFK wont be fighting.
And other thing why can terrorizing an AFK cloakers without play, a players who want to play ? Everyone is know this is the problem with AFK cloakers, not the AFK cloaking. Remove local just more huge advantages to cloaker fags. |
Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.05.11 11:21:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote: Derp
You cant reason with this person, by the way. Argueing with them is completely pointless. |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
82
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Posted - 2012.05.11 11:22:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Tiger's Spirit wrote: Derp You cant reason with this person, by the way. Argueing with them is completely pointless.
Words of troll |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.05.11 11:28:00 -
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Did you know under heavy TiDi you can spend over 30 minutes in warp across a very large system?
Not afk, but not doing anything either.
Did you know its not uncommon for one dude to run 3-4 scouts in various systems, making sure they remain clear and lighting a cyno eventually? They don't touch that client til its needed either, and that can take longer than 30 minutes.
Did you know that such a limitation is very easily circumvented by a macro that pushes the space bar once every 5 minutes? Or even this?
Edit: and, because of the distributed processing nature of the EVE server, game wide server load isn't something you need ever be concerned about, only system wide. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
82
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Posted - 2012.05.11 11:48:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Did you know under heavy TiDi you can spend over 30 minutes in warp across a very large system? Not afk, but not doing anything either. Did you know its not uncommon for one dude to run 3-4 scouts in various systems, making sure they remain clear and lighting a cyno eventually? They don't touch that client til its needed either, and that can take longer than 30 minutes. Did you know that such a limitation is very easily circumvented by a macro that pushes the space bar once every 5 minutes? Or even this?Edit: and, because of the distributed processing nature of the EVE server, game wide server load isn't something you need ever be concerned about, only system wide.
30 minutes a long warp with TIDI? Maybe i playing with other game like you. I warped many times in 10% tidi but the longest one never was 8-10 minutes long. Did you know easy to create a macrofilter which is check the client which is push space every 5 minutes ? Do you heard abot CCP rules which is not enable AFK macros ? Do you heard about banhammer ? Risk with macro and you will be banned. Do you know cyno time is 10 minute and not 30 ? Do you know u dont need to wait 30 minutes on station for cyno and you can log off ? |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
667
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Posted - 2012.05.11 11:51:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Did you know under heavy TiDi you can spend over 30 minutes in warp across a very large system? Not afk, but not doing anything either. Did you know its not uncommon for one dude to run 3-4 scouts in various systems, making sure they remain clear and lighting a cyno eventually? They don't touch that client til its needed either, and that can take longer than 30 minutes. Did you know that such a limitation is very easily circumvented by a macro that pushes the space bar once every 5 minutes? Or even this?Edit: and, because of the distributed processing nature of the EVE server, game wide server load isn't something you need ever be concerned about, only system wide. Did you know easy to create a macrofilter which is check the client which is push space every 5 minutes ? Do you heard abot CCP rules which is not enable AFK macros ? Do you heard about banhammer ? Risk with macro and you will be banned. Do you know cyno time is 10 minute and not 30 ? Do you know u dont need to wait 30 minutes on station for cyno and you can log off ? Way to not understand my point.
It will not help stop macros, because a macro already beats it by definition.
The cynoscouts don't sit there with a cyno open in a system that is not being attacked yet... just watching while cloaked, usually with multiple windows he just tabs through while running a main in a fleet.
This means that people who are breaking the rules will be immune to an afk time out stopping them, and people who are legitimately playing the game, using sit and wait strategies, or just stuck in a VERY long operation(ever put up a POS?) will be hurt.
Edit: re-reading your posts after replying to this, I have to conclude you are an idiot. We both seem to be trying to point out that an afk timer would be useless, and that removing local does help anything either, however all you are doing to try and accomplish this is flailing around attacking everything you see. Please try to understand the posts you attack so you don't inadvertently undermine your own position. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
82
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:42:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Tiger's Spirit wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Did you know under heavy TiDi you can spend over 30 minutes in warp across a very large system? Not afk, but not doing anything either. Did you know its not uncommon for one dude to run 3-4 scouts in various systems, making sure they remain clear and lighting a cyno eventually? They don't touch that client til its needed either, and that can take longer than 30 minutes. Did you know that such a limitation is very easily circumvented by a macro that pushes the space bar once every 5 minutes? Or even this?Edit: and, because of the distributed processing nature of the EVE server, game wide server load isn't something you need ever be concerned about, only system wide. Did you know easy to create a macrofilter which is check the client which is push space every 5 minutes ? Do you heard abot CCP rules which is not enable AFK macros ? Do you heard about banhammer ? Risk with macro and you will be banned. Do you know cyno time is 10 minute and not 30 ? Do you know u dont need to wait 30 minutes on station for cyno and you can log off ? Way to not understand my point. It will not help stop macros, because a macro already beats it by definition. The cynoscouts don't sit there with a cyno open in a system that is not being attacked yet... just watching while cloaked, usually with multiple windows he just tabs through while running a main in a fleet. This means that people who are breaking the rules will be immune to an afk time out stopping them, and people who are legitimately playing the game, using sit and wait strategies, or just stuck in a VERY long operation(ever put up a POS?) will be hurt. Edit: re-reading your posts after replying to this, I have to conclude you are an idiot. We both seem to be trying to point out that an afk timer would be useless, and that removing local does help anything either, however all you are doing to try and accomplish this is flailing around attacking everything you see. Please try to understand the posts you attack so you don't inadvertently undermine your own position.
No one sit on local at least 30 without any movement if playing. Moving mouse, check pilot infos, chat on corp or other chat etc. So i'm an idiot what you could to say, that's was your best argument.
All right i think let's see what would be say Zagdul for this troll answer. Time to move your stuffz from FA stations. |
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
172
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:44:00 -
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if anyone thinks that the lack of a keypress or mouse movement is going to stop a macro then they are deluded.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
668
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Posted - 2012.05.11 15:20:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote: No one sit on local at least 30 without any movement if playing. Moving mouse, check pilot infos, chat on corp or other chat etc. So i'm an idiot what you could to say, that's was your best argument. Insult others when someone have other theory.
All right i think let's see what would be say Zagdul for this troll answer. Time to move your stuffz from FA stations.
WTF are you talking about?
Stop. Breathe.
Now, calmly, and rationally, explain what you are trying to say. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
565
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:23:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Tiger's Spirit wrote: No one sit on local at least 30 without any movement if playing. Moving mouse, check pilot infos, chat on corp or other chat etc. So i'm an idiot what you could to say, that's was your best argument. Insult others when someone have other theory.
All right i think let's see what would be say Zagdul for this troll answer. Time to move your stuffz from FA stations.
WTF are you talking about? Stop. Breathe. Now, calmly, and rationally, explain what you are trying to say.
Good luck with that....you say "remove local" or "AFK CLoakers rule" anywhere near by and he starts to have an epliptic seizure and emo-rages all over hell. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Felsusguy
Try-Cycle Mining Industry
7
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Posted - 2012.05.11 21:13:00 -
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Hehron wrote:I can't understand why CCP has not done this for a long time ago. Like any other MMO game ( or some ) to make it much harder to be a Macro miner.
How to do?
Simply let the game disconnect after 30 mins or so, when the mouse or keyboard haven't been used !
Kill some of the illegal ISK flow and it would also kill the so simpel AFK cloaky reds in a system. Never saw the AFK reds as very diffucult, frankly it's pretty gay. It's got nothing to do with with how good you fly, everyone can put an alt in a system and leave game.
Just my two cents
Hehron 1. Nobody wants to be disconnected, especially not for being AFK for such a short period of time. 2. Technically speaking, it's impossible for the client to tell a physical keyboard command from a program command. 3. Even if it could, macros would find a way to bypass it. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
513
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Posted - 2012.05.11 21:28:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote:
No one sit on local at least 30 without any movement if playing. Moving mouse, check pilot infos, chat on corp or other chat etc. So i'm an idiot what you could to say, that's was your best argument. Insult others when someone have other theory.
All right i think let's see what would be say Zagdul for this troll answer. Time to move your stuffz from FA stations.
Autopiloting a freighter across highsec.
Sitting on a titan, talking on comms and waiting for the bridge
A rorq or an orca sat in a pos providing boosts to a mining fleet
Someone ratting with an AFK drone boat, possibly on an alt while they do something else on another character
Someone waiting a bit before they update their market orders in a hub
Someone warping or fighting in 10% TiDi
Sitting in a formup POS waiting for a fleet to get started
Sitting in a pos, station or cloaked in a safespot waiting for that hostile gang in the system to clear out
Need I continue?
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Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
83
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Posted - 2012.05.12 06:37:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Tiger's Spirit wrote:
No one sit on local at least 30 without any movement if playing. Moving mouse, check pilot infos, chat on corp or other chat etc. So i'm an idiot what you could to say, that's was your best argument. Insult others when someone have other theory.
All right i think let's see what would be say Zagdul for this troll answer. Time to move your stuffz from FA stations.
Autopiloting a freighter across highsec. Sitting on a titan, talking on comms and waiting for the bridge A rorq or an orca sat in a pos providing boosts to a mining fleet Someone ratting with an AFK drone boat, possibly on an alt while they do something else on another character Someone waiting a bit before they update their market orders in a hub Someone warping or fighting in 10% TiDi Sitting in a formup POS waiting for a fleet to get started Sitting in a pos, station or cloaked in a safespot waiting for that hostile gang in the system to clear out Need I continue?
I spoke about 30 minutes timeframe and "Cloaky reds in system- how to make life harder for them" Remove local ? No. AFK tag ? Yes.
1 Autopiloting a freighter across highsec. (that is changing systems, no sitting in one place)
2 Sitting on a titan, talking on comms and waiting for the bridge (Who pushing radio button, it's not AFK, moving towards edge of FF, talking with commanders and last thing titan pilots just logged in the last moments before fleetops)
3 A rorq or an orca sat in a pos providing boosts to a mining fleet (Time to change this, so many post want to boosting just inside grid)
4 Someone ratting with an AFK drone boat, possibly on an alt while they do something else on another character (that is what the CCP want to change, find it out drones of AFK boats why shooting the triggers, or you using macros which is not enabled and needs ban)
5 Someone waiting a bit before they update their market orders in a hub (waiting 30 minutes it's a bit ???? and he is not checking orders, not moving his mouse etc ? This is not true)
6 Someone warping or fighting in 10% TiDi (Same thing, 30 minutes long warp ?? It's not true again)
7 Sitting in a formup POS waiting for a fleet to get started (And the pilots talking on coms, chat etc, they are not AFK) |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
518
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Posted - 2012.05.12 11:49:00 -
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Oh, well, if any keyboard activity at all is enough to counter it, even out of game, I can just cloak, minimise eve and put something on my A key in word, can't I.
1. Fair enough.
2. More than once I've been sat on a titan for hours, waiting for a fight to kick off. Either waiting for a timer to count down, waiting for a hostile fleet to show up, or waiting for the FC to stop telling stories while the caps we're covering are doing things. No playing eve involved at all, just set keep at range and minimise the client.
3. This is a topic about automatic disconnects. Off grid boosts being remove are not the topic we are discussing here.
4. What does that mean in English?
5. Alright, someone going to get some dinner before they go back to their market shenanigans. Better?
6. 200+ AU warp in 10% TiDi. That's not quick.
7. Again, no in client activity, which means this system would be so laughably easy to macro away, and since CCP cannot tell me what I should be doing outside of EVE it would be perfectly legal to do so. |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
84
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:00:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Oh, well, if any keyboard activity at all is enough to counter it, even out of game, I can just cloak, minimise eve and put something on my A key in word, can't I.
1. Fair enough.
2. More than once I've been sat on a titan for hours, waiting for a fight to kick off. Either waiting for a timer to count down, waiting for a hostile fleet to show up, or waiting for the FC to stop telling stories while the caps we're covering are doing things. No playing eve involved at all, just set keep at range and minimise the client.
3. This is a topic about automatic disconnects. Off grid boosts being remove are not the topic we are discussing here.
4. What does that mean in English?
5. Alright, someone going to get some dinner before they go back to their market shenanigans. Better?
6. 200+ AU warp in 10% TiDi. That's not quick.
7. Again, no in client activity, which means this system would be so laughably easy to macro away, and since CCP cannot tell me what I should be doing outside of EVE it would be perfectly legal to do so.
2. I have titan pilot so pls talk true things, just idiot titan pilot go away from client , they everytime checking their positions, they dont want to lose a titan from idiots who bumping them, dont want to lose against spies who bumping from FF them and dont want to risk and they login in, the last moments, because the enemies always want to kill them first when they do a mistake.
3 this topic not just for autodisconnect
5. if someone go dinner never check prices and dont play, go and logg off.
6. 200AU warp not 30 minute long i know, because i many times fought in tidi and many times warped long jumps.
7. again, you talking again cheating read eula. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
570
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Posted - 2012.05.13 06:46:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Oh, well, if any keyboard activity at all is enough to counter it, even out of game, I can just cloak, minimise eve and put something on my A key in word, can't I.
1. Fair enough.
2. More than once I've been sat on a titan for hours, waiting for a fight to kick off. Either waiting for a timer to count down, waiting for a hostile fleet to show up, or waiting for the FC to stop telling stories while the caps we're covering are doing things. No playing eve involved at all, just set keep at range and minimise the client.
3. This is a topic about automatic disconnects. Off grid boosts being remove are not the topic we are discussing here.
4. What does that mean in English?
5. Alright, someone going to get some dinner before they go back to their market shenanigans. Better?
6. 200+ AU warp in 10% TiDi. That's not quick.
7. Again, no in client activity, which means this system would be so laughably easy to macro away, and since CCP cannot tell me what I should be doing outside of EVE it would be perfectly legal to do so. 2. I have titan pilot so pls dont talk untrue things, just idiot titan pilot go away from client , they everytime checking their positions, they dont want to lose a titan from idiots who bumping them, dont want to lose against spies who bumping from FF them and dont want to risk and they login in, the last moments, because the enemies always want to kill them first when they do a mistake. 3 this topic not just for autodisconnect 5. if someone go dinner never check prices and dont play, he just go and log off. 6. 200AU warp not 30 minute long i know, because i many times fought in tidi and many times warped long jumps. 7. again, you talking again cheating, read eula.
Even I seriously doubt your own words and so called claims.
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Foghail
Backwater Redux Tactical Narcotics Team
2
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Posted - 2012.05.13 07:08:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote:Xorv wrote:No one wants your two cents.
Remove Local Chat! I know bettter idea than You, keep Local chat and give AFK tag on local.
I like it +1 |
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