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Kaelie Onren
Nyan Cat Logistics PNG Associates
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Posted - 2012.06.24 00:59:00 -
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Shazih Hasheesh wrote: Gathering what intel while AFK? Chat logs? Why are you all talking in local? Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that is the only thing an AFK cloaked pilot could get in the realm of intel. I'm pretty sure most other types of intel would require him to be at his computer.
Answered this one already too. I video tape the POS arrivals 24 hrs long. Watch them later and record all your corp members names. |
Shazih Hasheesh
Late Night Mining
0
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Posted - 2012.06.24 01:03:00 -
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Kaelie Onren wrote:Shazih Hasheesh wrote: Gathering what intel while AFK? Chat logs? Why are you all talking in local? Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that is the only thing an AFK cloaked pilot could get in the realm of intel. I'm pretty sure most other types of intel would require him to be at his computer.
Answered this one already too. I video tape the POS arrivals 24 hrs long. Watch them later and record all your corp members names.
Ah, I had not considered fraps. But as for member lists, just use eve-who. |
Kaelie Onren
Nyan Cat Logistics PNG Associates
34
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Posted - 2012.06.24 05:00:00 -
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Shazih Hasheesh wrote:Kaelie Onren wrote:Shazih Hasheesh wrote: Gathering what intel while AFK? Chat logs? Why are you all talking in local? Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that is the only thing an AFK cloaked pilot could get in the realm of intel. I'm pretty sure most other types of intel would require him to be at his computer.
Answered this one already too. I video tape the POS arrivals 24 hrs long. Watch them later and record all your corp members names. Ah, I had not considered fraps. But as for member lists, just use eve-who.
True, but more than just memberships you learn who logs on when, and who are the miners, the FOs, the people who restock the POS etc. You know, stuff silly noob renting whiner miners never think about.
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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
246
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Posted - 2012.06.24 06:50:00 -
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Shazih Hasheesh wrote:AFK Cloaking a problem? Is this a joke? How can they bother you if they are afk?
Can the OP please take off the tin foil hat?
1. If you are worried about the cloaked pilot sitting in your system, stay alert. 2. If the cloaked pilot is indeed Away From Keyboard, than he won't be there to cause problems.
An AFK tag is stupid idea, so is an auto disconnect imo. Both easily circumvented. Removing local or something similar is an interesting idea, but because I like the idea of people forming their own channels etc. The fact is cloaking is not broken.
OP said because nobody knows if cloaked pilot is AFK or not, they can terrorize other pilots risk free. The lesson: Eve is a game where you should be alert 24/7, not cry because you can't see somebody.
On a side note, I would love to hear the story behind your hate of cloaked pilots!
Nice alt trying.
"Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK."
"AFK cloakers plagued all systems. They are realy collecting intels alone in empty systems 24/7 time long?? LOL"
""Just as i said. It's time to create something what is should be change this bad game mechanic where a cloaker can hide in enemy system and can went out from his PC, 23 hours time long, without risk and where just wasting server resources without play.
"How many times i saw 3 weeks long intel collecting when a neutral alt at enemy system just logged on and went to AFK. Intel collecting in AFK :PPP thats a joke argument."
Need solution for handling this. Capacitor useage for cloak, or fuel usage. Counter ship (seek and destroy) or AFK tag.""
And still we have a question.
"why disturb afk tag an afk player who not at the computer ?"
And everyone know NO RISK in AFK cloaking at enemy system it's time create a counter against them or AFK tag and the AFK players wont be disturb or terrorizing active players anymore. Collecting intel in AFK it's lying. |
Kaelie Onren
Nyan Cat Logistics PNG Associates
34
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:05:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Haha, Rib claimed that char wasn't his alt and it was cut by the ISD. So they are his alts then. >.< Kaelie Onren wrote:I will answer them in FAQ style.
... Also, this is a well put forward arguemnet.
Thank you! I'm glad it wasn't wasted :)
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
728
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:05:00 -
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Ribikoka wrote:Shazih Hasheesh wrote:AFK Cloaking a problem? Is this a joke? How can they bother you if they are afk?
Can the OP please take off the tin foil hat?
1. If you are worried about the cloaked pilot sitting in your system, stay alert. 2. If the cloaked pilot is indeed Away From Keyboard, than he won't be there to cause problems.
An AFK tag is stupid idea, so is an auto disconnect imo. Both easily circumvented. Removing local or something similar is an interesting idea, but because I like the idea of people forming their own channels etc. The fact is cloaking is not broken.
OP said because nobody knows if cloaked pilot is AFK or not, they can terrorize other pilots risk free. The lesson: Eve is a game where you should be alert 24/7, not cry because you can't see somebody.
On a side note, I would love to hear the story behind your hate of cloaked pilots! Nice alt trying. "Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK.""AFK cloakers plagued all systems. They are realy collecting intels alone in empty systems 24/7 time long?? LOL" ""Just as i said. It's time to create something what is should be change this bad game mechanic where a cloaker can hide in enemy system and can went out from his PC, 23 hours time long, without risk and where just wasting server resources without play. "How many times i saw 3 weeks long intel collecting when a neutral alt at enemy system just logged on and went to AFK. Intel collecting in AFK :PPP thats a joke argument." Need solution for handling this. Capacitor useage for cloak, or fuel usage. Counter ship (seek and destroy) or AFK tag."" And still we have a question. "why disturb afk tag an afk player who not at the computer ?" And everyone know NO RISK in AFK cloaking at enemy system it's time create a counter against them or AFK tag and the AFK players wont be disturb or terrorizing active players anymore. Collecting intel in AFK it's lying.
There's no risk in docking up or hiding in a pos when a red is reported in intel five jumps out. If you want cloaks nerfed, I want docking and POS nerfed. |
Kaelie Onren
Nyan Cat Logistics PNG Associates
34
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:10:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:
There's no risk in docking up or hiding in a pos when a red is reported in intel five jumps out. If you want cloaks nerfed, I want docking and POS nerfed.
Don't even bother with Rib Danika, he is stuck in a 'write-only' posting mode, where he just re-posts his old questions which everyone but his 3 alts have answered clearly, concisely, and conclusively. He just refuses to acknowledge reason and will just repost the questions.
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Yelena Fedorova
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:56:00 -
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Xorv wrote:No one wants your two cents.
Remove Local Chat!
This
*grabs popcorn* this should be entertaining |
R0nnie VanZant
Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2012.06.24 13:37:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Ribikoka wrote:Shazih Hasheesh wrote:AFK Cloaking a problem? Is this a joke? How can they bother you if they are afk?
Can the OP please take off the tin foil hat?
1. If you are worried about the cloaked pilot sitting in your system, stay alert. 2. If the cloaked pilot is indeed Away From Keyboard, than he won't be there to cause problems.
An AFK tag is stupid idea, so is an auto disconnect imo. Both easily circumvented. Removing local or something similar is an interesting idea, but because I like the idea of people forming their own channels etc. The fact is cloaking is not broken.
OP said because nobody knows if cloaked pilot is AFK or not, they can terrorize other pilots risk free. The lesson: Eve is a game where you should be alert 24/7, not cry because you can't see somebody.
On a side note, I would love to hear the story behind your hate of cloaked pilots! Nice alt trying. "Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK.""AFK cloakers plagued all systems. They are realy collecting intels alone in empty systems 24/7 time long?? LOL" ""Just as i said. It's time to create something what is should be change this bad game mechanic where a cloaker can hide in enemy system and can went out from his PC, 23 hours time long, without risk and where just wasting server resources without play. "How many times i saw 3 weeks long intel collecting when a neutral alt at enemy system just logged on and went to AFK. Intel collecting in AFK :PPP thats a joke argument." Need solution for handling this. Capacitor useage for cloak, or fuel usage. Counter ship (seek and destroy) or AFK tag."" And still we have a question. "why disturb afk tag an afk player who not at the computer ?" And everyone know NO RISK in AFK cloaking at enemy system it's time create a counter against them or AFK tag and the AFK players wont be disturb or terrorizing active players anymore. Collecting intel in AFK it's lying. There's no risk in docking up or hiding in a pos when a red is reported in intel five jumps out. If you want cloaks nerfed, I want docking and POS nerfed.
Oh man thats make me mad! if i got nerfed neighbor will too... just anger talking from you, not a logical answer. Stations, and Pos means dock and log off or be AFK in a safety place. So could you tell me what is the meaning of AFK cloaking? When want to log off in a enemy system is a reason, when enemy gank follow you is a reason, or do sneaky attack, but just make a camp there is not reason. See now? Thats why we think better to do something against AFK cloaky faggs, and should be better for server also without them. |
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
248
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Posted - 2012.06.24 14:22:00 -
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R0nnie VanZant wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Ribikoka wrote:Shazih Hasheesh wrote:AFK Cloaking a problem? Is this a joke? How can they bother you if they are afk?
Can the OP please take off the tin foil hat?
1. If you are worried about the cloaked pilot sitting in your system, stay alert. 2. If the cloaked pilot is indeed Away From Keyboard, than he won't be there to cause problems.
An AFK tag is stupid idea, so is an auto disconnect imo. Both easily circumvented. Removing local or something similar is an interesting idea, but because I like the idea of people forming their own channels etc. The fact is cloaking is not broken.
OP said because nobody knows if cloaked pilot is AFK or not, they can terrorize other pilots risk free. The lesson: Eve is a game where you should be alert 24/7, not cry because you can't see somebody.
On a side note, I would love to hear the story behind your hate of cloaked pilots! Nice alt trying. "Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK.""AFK cloakers plagued all systems. They are realy collecting intels alone in empty systems 24/7 time long?? LOL" ""Just as i said. It's time to create something what is should be change this bad game mechanic where a cloaker can hide in enemy system and can went out from his PC, 23 hours time long, without risk and where just wasting server resources without play. "How many times i saw 3 weeks long intel collecting when a neutral alt at enemy system just logged on and went to AFK. Intel collecting in AFK :PPP thats a joke argument." Need solution for handling this. Capacitor useage for cloak, or fuel usage. Counter ship (seek and destroy) or AFK tag."" And still we have a question. "why disturb afk tag an afk player who not at the computer ?" And everyone know NO RISK in AFK cloaking at enemy system it's time create a counter against them or AFK tag and the AFK players wont be disturb or terrorizing active players anymore. Collecting intel in AFK it's lying. There's no risk in docking up or hiding in a pos when a red is reported in intel five jumps out. If you want cloaks nerfed, I want docking and POS nerfed. Oh man thats make me mad! if i got nerfed neighbor will too... just anger talking from you, not a logical answer. Stations, and Pos means dock and log off or be AFK in a safety place. So could you tell me what is the meaning of AFK cloaking? When want to log off in a enemy system is a reason, when enemy gank follow you is a reason, or do sneaky attack, but just make a camp there is not reason. See now? Thats why we think better to do something against AFK cloaky faggs, and should be better for server also without them.
Yup they just haters without logical thinking. They just affraid they will be lost riskfree afk cloaking at enemy system.
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Kaelie Onren
Nyan Cat Logistics PNG Associates
34
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Posted - 2012.06.24 14:59:00 -
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Ribikoka wrote: Yup they just haters without logical thinking. They just affraid they will be lost riskfree afk cloaking at enemy system. They cant answer logical arguments, just lying about afk cloaking.
We have, you just seem to be unable to read.
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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
248
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Posted - 2012.06.24 15:45:00 -
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Kaelie Onren wrote:Ribikoka wrote: Yup they just haters without logical thinking. They just affraid they will be lost riskfree afk cloaking at enemy system. They cant answer logical arguments, just lying about afk cloaking.
We have, you just seem to be unable to read.
Lying and your whinning is not counting. We asking simple question. A kid should be the answers, but you trying to evade every time. What is the counter against AFK cloaker who terrorizing the active players who dont know the cloakers AFK or not ?
The player who moving to ratting in low or 0.0 have risk when a cloaker there in a system, but what is the risk for cloaker in cloak ? Nothing. A cloakers scannable or not ? Not scannable . What is the RISK when a cloaker went to AFK ? Who can find them in cloak ? No one.
But the the most important question is. "why disturb afk tag an afk player who not at the computer ?" Arguemont clown gave to us an untruth answer, he wrote here the cloakers would gain an advantage and easy intel gathering, but everyone know this is just lying.
"Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK."
He want give advance for cloakers when he want to proposal removing local. He want advance for cloaker not be contrary against a rule which want to help for cloakers, as the easy intel gathering false arguments should give advance for cloaker. But easy intel gathering is lying, because afk tag is not equal the players not on comm software.
Your protest against cap useage cloaking is another lying (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1521598#post1521598)
Everyone pilot can using cap booster when the pilot is active and would be recloak if capacitor need for cloak, except when the pilot is not active (AFK) just when he using bot or cheat, but that is punishable acts and the pilot risk his characters.
And yes i write this because this is the truth and i cloaked inhabitant in enemy system and terrorizing the inhabitant peoples in AFK when i write this message. But I do not accept this it is the correct game mechanic, when inactive players can terrorize without play and no counter against them. |
Kaelie Onren
Nyan Cat Logistics PNG Associates
34
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Posted - 2012.06.24 15:59:00 -
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Ribikoka wrote: Lying and your whinning is not counting. We asking simple question. A kid should be the answers, but you trying to evade every time. What is the counter against AFK cloaker who terrorizing the active players who dont know the cloakers AFK or not ?
Answered. Read it again. No isk, NO RISK
Quote:
Your protest against cap useage cloaking is another lying (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1521598#post1521598)
Everyone pilot can using cap booster when the pilot is active and can recloak if capacitor need for cloak except when the pilot is not active (AFK) just when he using bot or cheat, but that is punishable acts and the pilot risk his characters.
"Lying"? Please look up the word before you use it.
Why don't you just admit that you didn't even think that cap proposal thoroughly? Cause you sort of suggested the whole thing as if it was as simple as 1,2,3, -- but now you are saying that its going to require a whole module rebalancing, forcing ships to use cap boosters for doing something as simple as warping between systems, and possibly have to add new slots etc all to compensate for your 'simple' solution to a non-problem.
Answer this: Why do you think that miners should NOT BE TERRORIZED IN NULL SEC? |
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
248
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Posted - 2012.06.24 16:10:00 -
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Kaelie Onren wrote:Ribikoka wrote: Lying and your whinning is not counting. We asking simple question. A kid should be the answers, but you trying to evade every time. What is the counter against AFK cloaker who terrorizing the active players who dont know the cloakers AFK or not ?
Answered. Read it again. No isk, NO RISKQuote:
Your protest against cap useage cloaking is another lying (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1521598#post1521598)
Everyone pilot can using cap booster when the pilot is active and can recloak if capacitor need for cloak except when the pilot is not active (AFK) just when he using bot or cheat, but that is punishable acts and the pilot risk his characters.
"Lying"? Please look up the word before you use it. Why don't you just admit that you didn't even think that cap proposal thoroughly? Cause you sort of suggested the whole thing as if it was as simple as 1,2,3, -- but now you are saying that its going to require a whole module rebalancing, forcing ships to use cap boosters for doing something as simple as warping between systems, and possibly have to add new slots etc all to compensate for your 'simple' solution to a non-problem. Answer this: Why do you think that miners should NOT BE TERRORIZED IN NULL SEC?
Stop whining. And afk cloakers not just in 0.0. They can cloak everywhere in AFK. And other thing No RISK equal with no ISK ? Really ? Hey newbee what is the RISK/ISK for AFK cloaker in enemy system? A ratter have risk when he go to make isk when a cloaker in system, but what is the RISK for a cloaker who went to AFK ? Nothing. So your arguments a big zero and just empty blabla such as the second answer. Not need any module rebalancing. I can use cap booster on any ship, maybe you need to learn some skills and brain for good fitting. I know this part is the hardest thing for you without it.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
876
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Posted - 2012.06.24 19:45:00 -
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Unfortunately, I am having trouble following the arguments of Ribikoka.
Likely not her fault, but still confusing. |
Zenethalos
Soldiers of Farscape Soldiers Of New Eve
4
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:00:00 -
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As a "Cloaky F ag" do I think that this needs to be balanced? Yes.
My ability to sit in a prime enemy system from uptime to downtime risk free while inflicting economic damage is a bit tilted. Am I afk and no threat? Who knows. Even at work I will RDP into my home box and give local a wave. I do that three to four times at work which takes about 1 minute every time I do and for four minutes of work I lock down a system. Really not all that fair. Until the mechanic is fixed myself and other cloaky alt will be camping systems while my freighter alt makes me all the isk I need.
A solution. Probes that scan down cloaked ships. Have it triangulate the position of the ship based on how long since they last warped. The longer that they have not warped the easier it is to scan down. To ensure the security of actual cloaked scouts make it so that the first 10 minutes of non warp activity you cannot be detected. After that it becomes incrementally easier.
This means I have to warp around at least ever 10 minutes or risk being detected. I cannot do this while at work. And I would not risk doing so when RL has to take precedence over the game. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
729
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:50:00 -
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Zenethalos wrote:As a "Cloaky F ag" do I think that this needs to be balanced? Yes.
My ability to sit in a prime enemy system from uptime to downtime risk free while inflicting economic damage is a bit tilted. Am I afk and no threat? Who knows. Even at work I will RDP into my home box and give local a wave. I do that three to four times at work which takes about 1 minute every time I do and for four minutes of work I lock down a system. Really not all that fair. Until the mechanic is fixed myself and other cloaky alt will be camping systems while my freighter alt makes me all the isk I need.
A solution. Probes that scan down cloaked ships. Have it triangulate the position of the ship based on how long since they last warped. The longer that they have not warped the easier it is to scan down. To ensure the security of actual cloaked scouts make it so that the first 10 minutes of non warp activity you cannot be detected. After that it becomes incrementally easier.
This means I have to warp around at least ever 10 minutes or risk being detected. I cannot do this while at work. And I would not risk doing so when RL has to take precedence over the game.
And that makes bombers and scouting worthless. Well done. |
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
248
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:04:00 -
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Zenethalos wrote:As a "Cloaky F ag" do I think that this needs to be balanced? Yes.
My ability to sit in a prime enemy system from uptime to downtime risk free while inflicting economic damage is a bit tilted. Am I afk and no threat? Who knows. Even at work I will RDP into my home box and give local a wave. I do that three to four times at work which takes about 1 minute every time I do and for four minutes of work I lock down a system. Really not all that fair. Until the mechanic is fixed myself and other cloaky alt will be camping systems while my freighter alt makes me all the isk I need.
A solution. Probes that scan down cloaked ships. Have it triangulate the position of the ship based on how long since they last warped. The longer that they have not warped the easier it is to scan down. To ensure the security of actual cloaked scouts make it so that the first 10 minutes of non warp activity you cannot be detected. After that it becomes incrementally easier.
This means I have to warp around at least ever 10 minutes or risk being detected. I cannot do this while at work. And I would not risk doing so when RL has to take precedence over the game.
And what happen when cloaker is aligning somewhere ? You jumping to his warping point and what will be happen ??? Nothing. He will be still cloaked and you dont know where is are. You need decloaking him but that is impossible without luck. The main problem is not the cloakers, thats need for collecting intel or other battletactics when the pilots playing. The problem is the riskfree cloaking without play when the pilots not playing. This need counter. |
Kaelie Onren
Nyan Cat Logistics PNG Associates
34
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Posted - 2012.06.24 23:32:00 -
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Ribikoka wrote:The problem is the riskfree cloaking without play when the pilots not playing. This need counter.
Answered. Read it again. No isk, NO RISK
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Kaelie Onren
Nyan Cat Logistics PNG Associates
34
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Posted - 2012.06.25 00:22:00 -
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Ribikoka wrote: Arguemont just HTFU and GTFO, no matter how you cry with your alts.
Unlike you, I never post with my alt. And even if I did, I wouldn't be as silly as to just post dead giveaways like "+1" and "supported" one-line responses because you couldn't be bothered to formulate second opinions to your own arguement. |
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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
248
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Posted - 2012.06.25 06:26:00 -
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Kaelie Onren wrote:Ribikoka wrote:The problem is the riskfree cloaking without play when the pilots not playing. This need counter. Answered. Read it again. No isk, NO RISK
Answered read it again.
""Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK."
"AFK cloakers plagued all systems. They are realy collecting intels alone in empty systems 24/7 time long?? LOL"
""Just as i said. It's time to create something what is should be change this bad game mechanic where a cloaker can hide in enemy system and can went out from his PC, 23 hours time long, without risk and where just wasting server resources without play.
"How many times i saw 3 weeks long intel collecting when a neutral alt at enemy system just logged on and went to AFK. Intel collecting in AFK :PPP thats a joke argument."
Need solution for handling this. Capacitor useage for cloak, or fuel usage. Counter ship (seek and destroy) or AFK tag.""
And still we have a question.
"why disturb afk tag an afk player who not at the computer ?"
And everyone know NO RISK in AFK cloaking at enemy system it's time create a counter against them or AFK tag and the AFK players wont be disturb or terrorizing active players anymore. Collecting intel in AFK it's lying."
"And afk cloakers not just in 0.0. They can cloak everywhere in AFK. And other thing No RISK equal with no ISK ? Really ? Hey newbee what is the RISK/ISK for AFK cloaker in enemy system? A ratter have risk when he go to make isk when a cloaker in system, but what is the RISK for a cloaker who went to AFK ? Nothing. So your arguments a big zero and just empty blabla such as the second answer. Not need any module rebalancing. I can use cap booster on any ship, maybe you need to learn some skills and brain for good fitting. I know this part is the hardest thing for you without it."
And one thing AFK cloakers at enemy systems inflicting economic damage without play and no matter how you try to whining with your alt that's true. |
Kaelie Onren
Nyan Cat Logistics PNG Associates
34
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Posted - 2012.06.25 12:24:00 -
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Kaelie Onren wrote:Ribikoka wrote:The problem is the riskfree cloaking without play when the pilots not playing. This need counter. Answered. Read it again. No isk, NO RISK
I have an interesting social experiment.
I believe that reasoning with Rib is beyond hope, and that anyone who isn't an alt of Rib can see this. So the only way to get the message across without triggering another broken record response from Rib is to do the opposite. Stop posting to this thread altogether. Soon it will just be Rib and his alts (Dream, Tadam, Travelbuoy) posting and it will be obvious to all, even Rib. If any newcomer to the thread joins and threatens to startup this tornado of Rib all over again by accident, please just link this post. They can then decide if they really have anything more to add, or to just let this dead horse die. We can then clearly see how many people support this (if you count the # of rabid posts) vs those who think this is gone past silly. (and remain silent).
N.B. I don't mean to say that the topic is necessarily closed, only that this thread, and Rib's suggestions, are dead. If you have a fresh idea, please start new thread. |
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
248
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Posted - 2012.06.25 12:59:00 -
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Kaelie Onren wrote:Whine of closing topic because cloaker girl cry and dont want to lose her riskfree advanced cloaking
The truth again. Read it.
"""Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK."
"AFK cloakers plagued all systems. They are realy collecting intels alone in empty systems 24/7 time long?? LOL"
""Just as i said. It's time to create something what is should be change this bad game mechanic where a cloaker can hide in enemy system and can went out from his PC, 23 hours time long, without risk and where just wasting server resources without play.
"How many times i saw 3 weeks long intel collecting when a neutral alt at enemy system just logged on and went to AFK. Intel collecting in AFK :PPP thats a joke argument."
Need solution for handling this. Capacitor useage for cloak, or fuel usage. Counter ship (seek and destroy) or AFK tag.""
And still we have a question.
"why disturb afk tag an afk player who not at the computer ?"
And everyone know NO RISK in AFK cloaking at enemy system it's time create a counter against them or AFK tag and the AFK players wont be disturb or terrorizing active players anymore. Collecting intel in AFK it's lying."
"And one thing AFK cloakers at enemy systems inflicting economic damage without play and no matter how you try to whining with your alt that's true." |
Caruleum Ursa
Orion Ore International
0
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Posted - 2012.06.25 14:24:00 -
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Excuse me for interrupting the personal attacks, but I have a question.
Are you seriously trying to defend some "need" for a hostile AFK CLOAK to remain "in operation" for MORE THAN TWENTY (20) HOURS to protect an AFK pilot in a hostile system?
Shouldn't the real question be HOW LONG before we force a disconnect/emergency warp on the griefer? Or, should we continue to troll and personally attack the posters bringing up these good ideas?
LOL. Get serious. If you are really on about getting some killmails or some serious intelligence gathering, you're going to HAVE TO MOVE ABOUT, anyways!
Let's send a message to the EXTENDED AFK CLOAKER - No risk, No Killmails.
Shouldn't we focus on WHY ANYONE NEEDS to CLOAK for OVER 4, 6, 10, 14, 18, 22 hours AFK in a hostile system, and then ask whether the needs of the one exceed the needs of the many? I think I already spotted the "one" in this topic ... does anyone else recognize the troll? LOL How Long do you think should be the EXTENDED AFK??
I see no reason not to disconnect the cloaky so the isk maker alts can move to another system after a reasonable period of time, rather than forcing the isk maker to choose either extreme risk or logoffski to play WOW.
Some Chars gather isk. Some Chars gather killmails. Either one is fine. Why can't we all just "get along".
But, just the same as you don't want miners and ratters AFK all the time ... you shouldn't get cloakers "hunting" AFK all the time. Keep the pilots active. I bet you'll get more killmails in the end. Don't make them log off due to tactics without a counter.
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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.25 15:28:00 -
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Caruleum Ursa wrote:I see no reason not to disconnect the cloaky so the isk maker alts can move to another system after a reasonable period of time....
Where when all system is plagued with cloaker alts, which easily can create on your account slots and need just few days training ? Easily can put a cloaker AFK alts to all systems.
Thats why i wrote, need create to cloak devices, capacitor or fuel useage and cloaker cant do AFK cloaking easily 24/7 times long or AFK tag and AFK cloaker cant terrorize other active players anymore. |
Kahn Soomer
Beverage Production and Consumption
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:22:00 -
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Yes, Rib. I agree with you, except for one small issue that needs some thought.
If cap needs for cov ops cloaking device increases after the extended AFK period, and this cap drain simply de-cloaks the ship, the poor little cloaky nan******* would be left out there at risk of being scanned out and killed. The point is that we NEVER want cloaked ships to be "at risk". Amirite? Or wrong?
so her's a small addition to Rib's great idea: Program the game to recognize the Covert Ops Cloaking Device malfunction (due to cap drained) and cause an emergency warp via a safe disconnection. Can't CCP set conditions for extended afk/increased cap use by Cov Ops Cloak and Decloak, result in d/c to emergency warp?
Vivi suggested using a "report spammer/report extended cloaker grief" button/feature trigger causing ccp enforcement (automatic or gm) to disconnect the griefer. The d/c seemed a bit more humane as it's really hard for the average Joe to catch a small cov op cloaker after d/c into the emergency warp.
The d/c works for either one of these mechanics (1.- cap drain, or 2. -report extended afk grief button) includes a d/c with emergency warp out. Using d/c, the cloaker preserves his current "not at any serious risk" advantage. The d/c balances the game by pushing the cloaker out of system for a little bit of time so local traffic can resume until the cloaker returns. Cloaker still wins, but majority still have some small counter measure. The d/c happens ONLY AFTER the Cloaker has full reign of some long and unreasonable period (4+ hours) for imposing his grief upon all the locals in that system.
Now tell me why this is not better? More balanced, yes?
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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:26:00 -
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Kahn Soomer wrote:Yes, Rib. I agree with you, except for one small issue that needs some thought.
If cap needs for cov ops cloaking device increases after the extended AFK period, and this cap drain simply de-cloaks the ship, the poor little cloaky nan******* would be left out there at risk of being scanned out and killed. The point is that we NEVER want cloaked ships to be "at risk". Amirite? Or wrong?
If you are at the machine you can manage your ship with my idea. Can use cap booster, you can evade from scanners just need to warp to safepoint upload your cap for activating cloaking device and recloak. Repeat, when you are active. The 4-5 hours long capacitor amount enough for prepare to everything.
When you know you need to move away from your PC, you can prepare for 4-5 long time, but you can't left your ship behind when you move to AFK 23 hours long. And another important thing cloaker sometimes need to recharge his cap boosters or fuels and they need to move to make up for their supplies. So, they cant sit in a system three months long time.
Your idea problem is the report to GM. They have enough job, they cant check everytimes who AFK or who not. And dont forget they can't respond immediately for player requests. |
Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.06.25 20:33:00 -
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This thread is so full or terrible logic and bad ideas it gives my headache a headache.
In order for the cap drain idea to work, you need to stop cap recharge whilst cloaked. Which sounds fine until you actually think about it.
It would mean anyone with a cloak would have serious trouble using the cloak to disengage if they just spent most of their cap using an MWD to escape. It also means cloakies can't be cloaked if they want to recharge any cap (which for some pass fits, takes a very long time indeed), to the point where you might as well not have a cloak at all. Use a cap booster? Sure, if you want to completely ruin your fit. It takes a certain type of ship build to field a cap booster and have it actually be useful. This would be a massive massive Nerf to any ship fielding a cloak.
Now, I want to make it clear that, I am not (and have never been) against some kind of way to lower the effects AFK cloakies can have, but most of these ideas are terrible. And I will continue to argue against these terrible ideas, until you lot give up, or a good idea actually surfaces from somewhere.
Quote:Are you seriously trying to defend some "need" for a hostile AFK CLOAK to remain "in operation" for MORE THAN TWENTY (20) HOURS to protect an AFK pilot in a hostile system?
There is a difference between shooting down terrible terrible gamebreaking ideas, and justifying afk cloaking.
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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.25 21:26:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Another cloaker cry
Arduemont you dont need to read the terrible ideas here, just GTFO from here and we will happy without you little newbee. And you still can use cap boosters for capacitor, when you want to use mwd or when you should be use capacitor for cloaking devices. Just you need spend some time to learn to it. Just ask for us and we show you where you find it and how can you use them.
And your argument for station it's crap. The nonNPC stations can occupied, those stations need ISK for build. That's builded for shelter and need ISK billions. But what need one AFK cloaker ?
Anyone can camping the station undock point and can waiting to undock any pilots, but no one can camping the cloaked AFK ships, because no one know their positions. You feel the differences newbee ? Who has advantage in his home system ?
The POS is destructible, everyone can shot the POS down and can use bubble there for catch logged players.Everyone can find those position too..But how you can find a cloaked player in a huge solarsystem? And what is the risk for AFK cloaker when hiding somewhere ? They dont have risk.
Repeat ; "And one thing AFK cloakers at enemy systems inflicting economic damage without play and no matter how you try to whining with your alt that's true." |
Kahn Soomer
Beverage Production and Consumption
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Posted - 2012.06.25 23:39:00 -
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I have read in this topic at least 3 perfectly acceptable solutions for better balanced Covert Ops Cloaking Devices.
UNKOWNS: 1. Whether any Council member will take up the banner to ask for better balance? [Council members well know a small minority of the player base likes to grief, and some are good at trolling. And, a lot of large alliances own so much territory they won't be affected by cloakers, probably preferring to keep the masses from getting "too big" (i.e. - big alliances won't want this change as it would help smaller alliances to enjoy their sovereign space in Null Sec...)] It will take a council member with some courage to "get behind" this measure. 2. Whether CCP has the backbone to tweak these devices for better balance? It might take some precious time to develop some programming sub routine or whatever...
THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: The most repeated argument I read in this topic was some crazy thing about "no risk, no isk". The obvious response to that message is that we PAY (cost) to PLAY. When mechanics prevent PLAY, they are wrong. You don't DOCK in NULL SEC for FREE, but you must PAY a LOT of ISK for SOV and docking is a PRIVILEGE. Quite simply, that is WHY the Cloaker can't dock.
But, the cloaker should also have some cost/risk to get his jollies or his killmails - "no risk, no killmails". After all, his pvp char's game isn't about making isk, it's about getting the kills. And, these different goals makes the sand box more FUN. All we're asking is for a bit of better balance. Please fix this. |
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