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Tianran Liu
Dear Old Loong Man Polaris Mercenary Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.05 08:58:00 -
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For the past few month, there has been a wave of new Chinese capsular logging into Tranquility, because Serenity, the server been ruining in China since 2006, has been down for more than a month due to the bankruptcy of the CDC company.
This was no big deal for me until I noticed the recent dramatic increase in the number of GM harassment against these new accounts. On the two most popular forums in China- ECF and EveBa, there are daily reports of people seeking help because their accounts were banned. Few of them ever got their account back, and I personally have lost corp friends who got banned for borrowing a few million to buy his first drake. I'm sure the GMs got tons of petitions related to this everyday, but some how they did nothing. No, it's worse than nothing, because they even blab about their slaughter of the guilty along with the innocents.
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28628 How would you feel if you read this just after you lost a friend because you lent him 50m and he got banned? Pretty excited heh?
There are a few things I'd like to address in case some of the GMs are ignorant about it. Here are some examples regarding VPN usage.
First I heard this. A guy filed a petition about GMs' oponion on VPN.
Sent - 1/13/2012 7:02:00 PM
Greetings Pilot,
We do not explicitly dislike VPN's, but as pointed out by yourself these are used by Farmers and RMTers and the IP used by the VPN may become banned is this turns out to be the case. We would never ban an account without evidence of RMTing beyond just the IP it uses, however.
Best regards, GM Haggis EVE Online Customer Support
And then I heard this. The guy who filed this never got his 2 year old account back.
2012.04.30 13:18:00 GM Nova
Hi,
Thank you for contacting customer support and our apologies for the late reply.
Your account was accessed from an IP used bu hackers. There is no indication that your account was hacked. Regretfully we have no option but to permanently close all accounts connecting from this IP.
I want to remind you that EVE Online is available in China.
Best regards, Senior GM Nova EVE Online Customer Support
2012.04.30 14:01:00 GM Nova
Hi again.
We suggest you never use VPNs when accessing EVE. The account will remain banned. Once again, there is an EVE server in China.
Best regards, Senior GM Nova EVE Online Customer Support
1.THERE IS NO CHINESE SERVER. There was, but it's down now, and thousands of capsulars have no place to go besides tranquility. Where do you expect them to go anyway?Carve some spaceships out of wood, rent a planetarium and play Eve Offline?
2.VPN is essential in bypassing the huge lag created by the Great Fire Wall in most areas of China, and not an reliable indicator of hacker activity. It didn't violate the EULA in any sense. How would you feel if you live in one of the 5 seconds lag part of the world and not allowed to use a VPN? Doesn't sound so good, does it?
3.100 days, two versions of the story. You can do whatever you want, why the hell do you need an EULA anyway?
Besides VPN, deadspace loot is one other thing that often gets people banned. I've heard about people got banned for picking up the loot in a trail account. I've seen paid account got banned because a rich tengu friend invited him into a 4/10 complex , and share with him half the loot money. Today one player reported that his paid main got banned as his trail alt warp into a deadspace for the first time. This is just getting ridiculous. Where would you go if suddenly you need to start anew, alone, but with all the frigate class ship experience your current game-play gave you, and a ton of free time? Minning in an industrial for less than 1M per hour?
There are more reasons CCP had given as excuses why a player can be banned for no reason. I've seen a case where a 7 day old paid guy got 2m from donation and was banned when he only have 7m in total asset, and without using VPN or deadspace or anything. Some of the bans were already overturned, but not without tons of petitions from themselves and their friends, and weeks of effort. In one case, the owner of the banned account send a petition, informed that his account was involved in RMT and got his petition closed by GM horse. So he then rated that reply 0 and explained it in detail with a petition prepared on Word, an A4 font 12 single space 7 page long article, listed the reason for everyone of his recent contract and transaction. Guess what GM horse did? He copied and pasted EULA and then closed the petition again. This case was overturned by GM Nova eventually.
Oh, and you may think I'm just another one of those ISK farmers or dirty RMTer who's only purpose is to lower the cost of selling ISK. And you are wrong. I am one of those who use his real name in game. I'm new, and I hate the idea or the practice of RMT. I'm not saying here that none of the people I heard from are isk farmers or sellers. In fact I do believe that among those who were banned there are indeed someone who is involved in RMT. But may I remind CCP that different treatment of a group of people based on not what they did but for where they are from or the condition they have no control of, is discrimination by definition. I saw how Haggis gave a promise, and how Nova broke one. And the persecution of the guilty and innocent alike without real effort to distinguish them, is irresponsible by definition. They can never be justified. |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.05 09:02:00 -
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Yeah I'm sure CCP just loves to reduce their own income for no reason. Those guys were probably innocent. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.05 09:10:00 -
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Welcome to a server that actually gets policed* for these things. I'm sure all the people from Serenity will get the hang of it eventually
Oh and you won't get any sympathy about VPNs while CCP have assets in China. They'd have to be clinically insane to be seen to help Chinese players evade Chinese law, even when the law is extremely restrictive and extremely stupid.
Its Saturday so I give it an hour before your post gets edited and locked.
*well it does these days
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malaire
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Posted - 2012.05.05 09:16:00 -
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You could try escalating petition since you got different answers from different GMs - but since GM Nova is senior GM, that might not change anything.
Maybe GM Haggis just needs more training since he seems to disagree with Senior GM?
New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
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Posted - 2012.05.05 09:18:00 -
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Scum bag Communists.
Go back to farming in WoW or something. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Octoberleaf
The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.05.05 09:33:00 -
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CCP banned a lot of innocent Chinese players as far as i know.
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Lugaedh
Bluestar Enterprises The Craftsmen
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Posted - 2012.05.05 09:37:00 -
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Most likely those playsers were "contaminated" by maco users.
Please note that posting ccp correspondence from petitions is most likely to be resulting in some restirctions by ccp.... |
Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2012.05.05 09:57:00 -
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Lugaedh wrote:Most likely those playsers were "contaminated" by maco users.
Please note that posting ccp correspondence from petitions is most likely to be resulting in some restirctions by ccp....
yup, IBTL :P
that said, if what OP said is true... well, sucks to be them I guess, I don't really see how you can blame CCP for the VPN.... well, not the game dev CCP anyway :P
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March rabbit
Trojan Trolls Red Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.05 10:04:00 -
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nothing new in this world....
western people always accuse everyone other while the most evil things were made (and being made atm) by western people
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Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.05 10:08:00 -
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Set up a private VPN. CCP has stated (in the EULA, I believe) that they will ban accounts associated with IPs that commit RMT. You can petition them for clarification/defense.
If you need competent English to Chinese translation, 20 mil / page. Har har har. . |
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Sarbane Oxley
Thunder Mercenary Army Polaris Mercenary Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 10:10:00 -
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Sobach wrote:Lugaedh wrote:Most likely those playsers were "contaminated" by maco users.
Please note that posting ccp correspondence from petitions is most likely to be resulting in some restirctions by ccp.... yup, IBTL :P that said, if what OP said is true... well, sucks to be them I guess, I don't really see how you can blame CCP for the VPN.... well, not the game dev CCP anyway :P
well, I also don't see how CCP can permanently ban a ID because the owner is using VPN but breakes no EULA clause. |
Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2012.05.05 10:22:00 -
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Sarbane Oxley wrote:well, I also don't see how CCP can permanently ban a ID because the owner is using VPN but breakes no EULA clause.
one would assume CCP has more info than simple VPN IP address before permaban... at least one would hope so.
eitherway, it's unfortuante if true, but I'm not sure what choice CCP has really. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.05.05 10:29:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:nothing new in this world.... western people always accuse everyone other while the most evil things were made (and being made atm) by western people
Confirming everyone who lives east of me is responsible for the holocaust. |
Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2012.05.05 10:31:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Scum bag Communists.
Go back to farming in WoW or something.
Why do you assume because someone is from/living in China that they are communists?
On the good side, you will stop making half-witted assumptions like this when you are about 13 and old enough to play Eve properly. You want fries with that? |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
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Posted - 2012.05.05 10:33:00 -
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Your pretty much feeling the wrath of CCPs crack down on macro miners. Since majority of them seem to use some form of VPN the only option to try and combat it is to ban all VPN IPs. Since really the chances of "normal" players needing to use VPN is quite slim.
Also I'm not very knowledgeable about China's firewall and rules on outside access, but CCP might be banning all Chinese IPs that try to get on Tranq due to liability issues, since they still have a office in Shanghai(at least last I heard). |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.05 10:48:00 -
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Feel free to discuss the essence of GM replies, but refrain from posting them. Thank you. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Sarbane Oxley
Thunder Mercenary Army Polaris Mercenary Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.05 10:48:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Your pretty much feeling the wrath of CCPs crack down on macro miners. Since majority of them seem to use some form of VPN the only option to try and combat it is to ban all VPN IPs. Since really the chances of "normal" players needing to use VPN is quite slim.
Also I'm not very knowledgeable about China's firewall and rules on outside access, but CCP might be banning all Chinese IPs that try to get on Tranq due to liability issues, since they still have a office in Shanghai(at least last I heard).
The China's firewall (Chinese often say GFW - the Great FireWall) just simply check all the inbound /outbound data packages between foreign and Chinese node, if you are a IT guy you know this could cause horrible delay or even lose the packages.
For your second concern, the CCP has no liability to ban all the Chinese IPs because there is no law to restrict Chinese player acccessing overseas game servers. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
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Posted - 2012.05.05 10:51:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:Scum bag Communists.
Go back to farming in WoW or something. Why do you assume because someone is from/living in China that they are communists? Scum bag Communist apologists.
EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
252
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:04:00 -
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I generally find these kind of posts unconvincing; however in this instance I think you make several very salient points, so +1 from me. |
Dapud
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:06:00 -
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Joran Dravius wrote:Yeah I'm sure CCP just loves to reduce their own income for no reason. Those guys were probably innocent.
Implying most people aren't incompetent. |
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Iamien
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:08:00 -
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Wait so all these video and statements from CCP about all players being in the same universe was a lie?
:shocked:
How many other localized and segregated bastards does eve have? |
DonHel
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:10:00 -
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I want signed purple jordans :/
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:12:00 -
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Iamien wrote:Wait so all these video and statements from CCP about all players being in the same universe was a lie?
:shocked:
How many other localized and segregated bastards does eve have?
China has very strict laws and regulations regarding entertainment, such as video games.
It is essentially impossible to release a game in china without heavy modifications. For example, World of Warcraft had to remove all skeletons and replace them with tombstones, and all zombies had to be redesigned. Cultural quirks enacted into law. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
AureoBroker
Natural Inventions
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:13:00 -
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The thing that comes to mind is: Your VPN is used my multiple people, some of which were found botting/RMTing. And so, the crackdown on everyone using that IP. Gather up the banned ones, make GODDAMN SURE no one was botting/RMTing (of those you're gathering) and send a mail asking if that is the case, explaining why you have a common IP but are hardly related at all, and not the same person. For the "donations": that, 9/10, was botted money. Likely assumed to be n-th accounts in-the-making for RMTers/botters. |
Florestan Bronstein
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:13:00 -
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Joran Dravius wrote:Yeah I'm sure CCP just loves to reduce their own income for no reason. Those guys were probably innocent. CCP has given TianCity the exclusive right to publish EVE on the Chinese Market. Enabling/encouraging Chinese players to bypass TianCity and play on the international server would undermine that business agreement.
And overall CCP does of course have a lot more to gain from continued access to the Chinese market with the support of TianCity than from accommodating a few rogue players who want to play on TQ for whatever reasons.
So, yes, CCP has a financial interest to discourage Chinese players from playing on TQ (just like they have an interest to prevent Japanese players from bypassing Nexon).
tl;dr sucks to be you. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:14:00 -
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I have a Chinese friend who studied in Holland but now is back working in China. We used to play some other games together and when in China he has to use VPN and tunnelers or w/e they are called and still have hellish lag but at least semiplayable. I was trying to convince him to give Eve a try but now .. meh ... This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Xpaulusx
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:16:00 -
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All i can say is "Thank God for the Great Chinese Firewall" We have enough problems with RMTers as is, we dont need 20 thousand chinese farmboys on top of it. Thank you CCP Good call. |
Kogh Ayon
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:16:00 -
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The most possible situation could be the owner of the Chinese Server bribed CCP and/or the GMs to ban IPs from china when it is possible. That's all business you know. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:17:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote: All i can say is "Thank God for the Great Chinese Firewall" We have enough problems with RMTers as is, we dont need 20 thousand chinese farmboys on top of it. Thank you CCP Good call.
Oh look, an idiot spewing stereotypes.
Kogh Ayon wrote:The most possible situation could be the owner of the Chinese Server bribed CCP and/or the GMs to ban IPs from china when it is possible. That's all business you know.
Do you know how VPNs work? Basically, they convince the server you are connecting to that you are elsewhere by replacing your real IP with someone else's. Every time you use one, its a new IP. If you happen to land on an IP that CCP has banned through awful luck, you get flagged as an account being accessed by a known hacker / offender, and will get added to the ban list as a result. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Iamien
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:20:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Iamien wrote:Wait so all these video and statements from CCP about all players being in the same universe was a lie?
:shocked:
How many other localized and segregated bastards does eve have? China has very strict laws and regulations regarding entertainment, such as video games. It is essentially impossible to release a game in china without heavy modifications. For example, World of Warcraft had to remove all skeletons and replace them with tombstones, and all zombies had to be redesigned. Cultural quirks enacted into law. It's a large, but isolated, market.
Pretty easy to just say that all players are on one of two servers/shards. |
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1364
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:22:00 -
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Iamien wrote:
Pretty easy to just say that all players are on one of two servers/shards.
Except that is not true. Players generally have access to one shard. Depending on whether they are Chinese or not, its a different shard. The game is still built around the concept of one universe, the fact a parallel one had to be built specifically for an isolated market with special requirements is moot. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
101
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:35:00 -
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what now? why did the chinese server fail?
I'm afraid I don't see any concerted efforts to discriminate by ccp. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1366
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:39:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:what now? why did the chinese server fail?
I'm afraid I don't see any concerted efforts to discriminate by ccp.
Bankruptcy last I heard.
Eastern MMOs tend to be very different. It is nigh impossible for a western publisher to successfully launch in the east, and vice versa. The things westerners hate (grinding, aesthetics over functionality, microtransactions, etc) are what is expected in SE Asia. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:39:00 -
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When Chinese players get banned for problems other Chinese players have created then it is still a Chinese problem. It is collateral damage in return for the collateral damage done by the botters. If you cannot play EVE from China by other means then you just cannot play it. We only do not want the Chinese botters here and we are sorry to hear that you cannot play. However, we do not want the botters to come back. Ask the Chinese government to allow for a reliable identification of IP numbers and you will be able to play again. If you are using a service, which makes such identification impossible then this is your problem.
TL;DR: You are complaining at the wrong end.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
egg08
Light of the moon Polaris Mercenary Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:44:00 -
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I lost quite a lot of friends in my corp too, all of them are innocent. Dont know what on earth is CCP thinking, probabilly they just want to shrink the size of the population within this game, haha. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:54:00 -
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Dude, if they banned people for giving 50m isk, 75% of Eve would be banned
Tianran Liu wrote:
Besides VPN, deadspace loot is one other thing that often gets people banned. I've heard about people got banned for picking up the loot in a trail account. I've seen paid account got banned because a rich tengu friend invited him into a 4/10 complex , and share with him half the loot money. Today one player reported that his paid main got banned as his trail alt warp into a deadspace for the first time. This is just getting ridiculous. Where would you go if suddenly you need to start anew, alone, but with all the frigate class ship experience your current game-play gave you, and a ton of free time? Minning in an industrial for less than 1M per hour?
Dude, no one takes a new player flying a burst and gives them half of their deadpsace loot drop. Why would anyone do this? Deadspace loot is involved in the RMT trade. I won't go into it but deaspace loot is recycled by RMT operations and is easily traced.
Dude, your friends are RMTer's, gave you an extremely bad lie about what they did, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
Dude, get a clue. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1367
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:55:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote: Dude, no one takes a new player flying a burst and gives them half of their deadpsace loot drop. Why would anyone do this? Deadspace loot is involved in the RMT trade. I won't go into it but deaspace loot is recycled by RMT operations and is easily traced.
Dude, your friends are RMTer's, gave you an extremely bad lie about what they did, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
Dude, get a clue.
Duuuuude. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
438
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:58:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Vaal Erit wrote: Dude, no one takes a new player flying a burst and gives them half of their deadpsace loot drop. Why would anyone do this? Deadspace loot is involved in the RMT trade. I won't go into it but deaspace loot is recycled by RMT operations and is easily traced.
Dude, your friends are RMTer's, gave you an extremely bad lie about what they did, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
Dude, get a clue.
Duuuuude.
....wait what? [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
60
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:06:00 -
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The problem isnt CCP, the problem is your government not letting you access the rest of the world. To solve your problem change your government to one that will let you access the rest of the world and you will be able to play with the rest of the screwed up world. |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
240
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:09:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Vaal Erit wrote: Dude, no one takes a new player flying a burst and gives them half of their deadpsace loot drop. Why would anyone do this? Deadspace loot is involved in the RMT trade. I won't go into it but deaspace loot is recycled by RMT operations and is easily traced.
Dude, your friends are RMTer's, gave you an extremely bad lie about what they did, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
Dude, get a clue.
Duuuuude. ....wait what?
Edit: Dude. . |
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1369
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:12:00 -
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Degren wrote:Grimpak wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Vaal Erit wrote: Dude, no one takes a new player flying a burst and gives them half of their deadpsace loot drop. Why would anyone do this? Deadspace loot is involved in the RMT trade. I won't go into it but deaspace loot is recycled by RMT operations and is easily traced.
Dude, your friends are RMTer's, gave you an extremely bad lie about what they did, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
Dude, get a clue.
Duuuuude. ....wait what? Dude.
Dude! TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
240
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:13:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Degren wrote:Grimpak wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Vaal Erit wrote: Dude, no one takes a new player flying a burst and gives them half of their deadpsace loot drop. Why would anyone do this? Deadspace loot is involved in the RMT trade. I won't go into it but deaspace loot is recycled by RMT operations and is easily traced.
Dude, your friends are RMTer's, gave you an extremely bad lie about what they did, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
Dude, get a clue.
Duuuuude. ....wait what? Dude. Dude!
Dude? . |
Nate Hill
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:14:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Iamien wrote:Wait so all these video and statements from CCP about all players being in the same universe was a lie?
:shocked:
How many other localized and segregated bastards does eve have? China has very strict laws and regulations regarding entertainment, such as video games. It is essentially impossible to release a game in china without heavy modifications. For example, World of Warcraft had to remove all skeletons and replace them with tombstones, and all zombies had to be redesigned. Cultural quirks enacted into law. It's a large, but isolated, market. It's a large, but isolated, market with millions of pirated games. |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
241
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:17:00 -
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Nate Hill wrote:It's a large, but isolated, market with millions of pirated games.
The US/Euro market isn't that isolated.
Spoilers: I'm saying we have a **** ton of pirated games. . |
Omen Alice
Ctril Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:22:00 -
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RMT's should have some details of the deal can query. Chinese network or ADSL IP is change it because your IP once and hackers all your paying customers should be of BAN? You query the time of the players online is not the same hackers do? Recently, because of IP issues of BAN. |
gfldex
497
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:30:00 -
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Omen Alice wrote:RMT's should have some details of the deal can query. Chinese network or ADSL IP is change it because your IP once and hackers all your paying customers should be of BAN? You query the time of the players online is not the same hackers do? Recently, because of IP issues of BAN.
What language is that? When someone burns down your sandcasle, bring sausages. |
Iamien
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
112
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:36:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Omen Alice wrote:RMT's should have some details of the deal can query. Chinese network or ADSL IP is change it because your IP once and hackers all your paying customers should be of BAN? You query the time of the players online is not the same hackers do? Recently, because of IP issues of BAN. What language is that?
I'm guessing babelfish Chinese to English. |
Nate Hill
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:38:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Omen Alice wrote:RMT's should have some details of the deal can query. Chinese network or ADSL IP is change it because your IP once and hackers all your paying customers should be of BAN? You query the time of the players online is not the same hackers do? Recently, because of IP issues of BAN. What language is that? A Google translation. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:44:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Xpaulusx wrote: All i can say is "Thank God for the Great Chinese Firewall" We have enough problems with RMTers as is, we dont need 20 thousand chinese farmboys on top of it. Thank you CCP Good call. Oh look, an idiot spewing stereotypes. Kogh Ayon wrote:The most possible situation could be the owner of the Chinese Server bribed CCP and/or the GMs to ban IPs from china when it is possible. That's all business you know. Do you know how VPNs work? Basically, they convince the server you are connecting to that you are elsewhere by replacing your real IP with someone else's. Every time you use one, its a new IP. If you happen to land on an IP that CCP has banned through awful luck, you get flagged as an account being accessed by a known hacker / offender, and will get added to the ban list as a result.
You have no idea what a VPN is please don't mislead people into false information about something you could at least bother searching on the web to learn a bit more about it.
VPN's are virtual private networks, that create networks inside networks and encapsulate traffic for a multitude of reasons but mostly for added security or circumvent restrictions the network you are using imposes.
If several people do use the same VPN end point, yes, if that endpoint connects to EvE server all people using it will show up as the same IP, it's a risk you are willing to take by using such service.
And btw, most of the VPN used by chinese have the sole purpose of bypassing censorship not to play games (altough some games might be censored and they used them to play it anyway)
if you require a little more information about VPN's please refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vpn but I'm sure google has more in depth articles about it.
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Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:46:00 -
[50] - Quote
egg08 wrote:I lost quite a lot of friends in my corp too, all of them are innocent. Dont know what on earth is CCP thinking, probabilly they just want to shrink the size of the population within this game, haha.
You assume they are innocent, the only proof you have is their word for it. They might be botters/rmt'ers with other chars you don't even know.
Besides, everyone lies :) |
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Erad Stomper
The Fallen Company
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:47:00 -
[51] - Quote
If you can't play without a VPN in China it's not CCP fault it's the chinese government fault and everything your government do is accepted by the chinese people so if you want more freedom on the internet you should ask your government not CCP.
If you want more freedom go in the street and ask your government for it.
If you feel everything is OK in China then shut up and play a boring chinese game. |
Executus Primus
Black Phoenix Legion The Fourth District
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:59:00 -
[52] - Quote
If CCP uses IP addresses for identification, that is borderline stupid. Most services in Europe at least use dynamic IP addresses for allocation with DSL lines. In Germany for instance it is the default to get a different IP with every PPPoE connect since it is basically PPP. An IP address is not suitable to identify a person or even a computer system.
Many people here talking about using an IP for identification are probably from the US, which often uses weird cable connections with static IPs. Just to remind you that is NOT a default behaviour in pretty much the rest of the world and for good reasons too. NAT is pretty common in places like asia which is restricted on IPv4 (since they were last to join the internet club).
Personally i can't believe CCP will ever decide to ban a person just based on an IP address, because that would be foolish. It might be a small factor in several other indications however.
I played a few months on serenity with a few fellows of failheap. Judging from what i saw there, it is not hard to believe that some people who migrated here might clash with some different rules and mindets. |
Whitehound
239
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:10:00 -
[53] - Quote
Executus Primus wrote:If CCP uses IP addresses for identification, that is borderline stupid. Most services in Europe at least use dynamic IP addresses for allocation with DSL lines. In Germany for instance ... Dynamic is not the same as random. CCP will not only ban single IP addresses, but they are banning entire subnets. This is not stupid. It is common practise, you only did not know it yet.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
242
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:14:00 -
[54] - Quote
Erad Stomper wrote:If you can't play without a VPN in China it's not CCP fault it's the chinese government fault and everything your government do is accepted by the chinese people so if you want more freedom on the internet you should ask your government not CCP.
If you want more freedom go in the street and ask your government for it.
If you feel everything is OK in China then shut up and play a boring chinese game.
On the one hand I'm like well, yeah.
On the other hand I'm like THEY HAVE THE WORLDS LARGEST STANDING ARMY AND AN OVERWHELMING DESIRE TO CRUSH INSUBORDINATION, REAL OR PERCEIVED, YOU ARE GOING TO GET THEM KILLED
And then on the third, secret hand I'm like this complaint is actually in the realm of CCP's control...except they're taking appropriate measures. . |
Daniel Hita
Daniel Hita Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:25:00 -
[55] - Quote
the Great Chinese Firewall
We Chinese can't access youtube, facebook even www.google.com . all these URL are banned .
We are in a cage |
Aggressive Nutmeg
229
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:31:00 -
[56] - Quote
Omen Alice wrote:RMT's should have some details of the deal can query. Chinese network or ADSL IP is change it because your IP once and hackers all your paying customers should be of BAN? You query the time of the players online is not the same hackers do? Recently, because of IP issues of BAN. Can you just imagine 20,000,000 Chinese players crapping up the forum like this? Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Erad Stomper
The Fallen Company
2
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:38:00 -
[57] - Quote
Daniel Hita wrote:the Great Chinese FirewallWe Chinese can't access youtube, facebook even www.google.com . all these URL are banned . We are in a cage
Who is the fool, the one who live in the cage or the one who built the cage for his commrades.
You still like the chinese style fake communism? |
Pedro Snachez
Red Horse Heavy Industries
17
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:39:00 -
[58] - Quote
Erad Stomper wrote:If you can't play without a VPN in China it's not CCP fault it's the chinese government fault and everything your government do is accepted by the chinese people so if you want more freedom on the internet you should ask your government not CCP.
If you want more freedom go in the street and ask your government for it.
If you feel everything is OK in China then shut up and play a boring chinese game.
This.
China has a known problem with gold farming, even using prisoners to do so. It's too bad that some innocent players trying to circumvent absurd Chinese censorship got banned, but it's not CCP being racist or discriminatory. Just look at the insane BS Google had to deal with to be in China, and try to understand how companies have to compromise ideal service to have any service at all. Gather proof and elevate the petition if possible, but you're just going to get banned again through bad luck eventually.
If you really want your Chinese friends to play Eve freely, tell them to do something about their autocratic government first. |
Theprimaryisthesecondary istheprimary
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:06:00 -
[59] - Quote
You dont get banned unless you pay for it. Good method for CCP to make more money, their GM plays God Roles in game.
Yes, EVE is a good game, but it is going down now since you ruins the ingame economy but focus how to make more realy
money. Who is the largest RMT group, the one who offers you realy money tradable items---Cash Caps P**sy.
Take a look that how many their original eployees have left. I believe at the beginning they were trying to make a spcial art to the
game world, but now it is a big company. Don't you forget that, the only purpose of a company is " Profit". |
AztecEnze
Utopia Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:13:00 -
[60] - Quote
people are fooled by their government.
the government which is more powerful can make a more credible lie.
big cage , small cage , you are no more than a wiseacre trapped animal. |
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AztecEnze
Utopia Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:15:00 -
[61] - Quote
Kogh Ayon wrote:The most possible situation could be the owner of the Chinese Server bribed CCP and/or the GMs to ban IPs from china when it is possible. That's all business you know. strangly agree with you~~ |
Malas MiserableFaith
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:29:00 -
[62] - Quote
free bump as a chinese player |
Nex apparatu5
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
276
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:39:00 -
[63] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Xpaulusx wrote: All i can say is "Thank God for the Great Chinese Firewall" We have enough problems with RMTers as is, we dont need 20 thousand chinese farmboys on top of it. Thank you CCP Good call. Oh look, an idiot spewing stereotypes.
Stereotypes exist because they're true in most cases. |
iniq
TM Reincarnation Polaris Mercenary Alliance
12
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:08:00 -
[64] - Quote
my good friend . our corp CEO be banned , and GM said he RMT . and I am sure he didnt do that .now he leave this game , I am disappointed |
Ejit
STD contractors
53
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:09:00 -
[65] - Quote
Tianran Liu wrote: 1.THERE IS NO CHINESE SERVER. Where do you expect them to go anyway?.
How about you all just go away?
It's bad enough with all the Russians who only play to fund drinking habits. I can't imagine what it'd be like with 1000's of Chinese here as well!
EVE would turn into a commie on commie cold war with both sides vying for their piece of the RMT pie!!!
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Faith Patrouette
Careless Carebears Inc.
21
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:10:00 -
[66] - Quote
iniq wrote:my good friend . our corp CEO be banned , and GM said he RMT . and I am sure he didnt do that .now he leave this game , I am disappointed
I too would be dissapointed to find out one of my friends did rmt |
Josef Djugashvilis
143
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:12:00 -
[67] - Quote
Perramas wrote:The problem isnt CCP, the problem is your government not letting you access the rest of the world. To solve your problem change your government to one that will let you access the rest of the world and you will be able to play with the rest of the screwed up world.
I am sure thay will do so in the next (democratic) Chinese general election. You want fries with that? |
Josef Djugashvilis
143
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:19:00 -
[68] - Quote
Nex apparatu5 wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Xpaulusx wrote: All i can say is "Thank God for the Great Chinese Firewall" We have enough problems with RMTers as is, we dont need 20 thousand chinese farmboys on top of it. Thank you CCP Good call. Oh look, an idiot spewing stereotypes. Stereotypes exist because they're true in most cases.
This has to be a troll. You cannot possibly be this stupid.
Unless of course, someone else switched your computer on for you..... You want fries with that? |
Executus Primus
Black Phoenix Legion The Fourth District
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:38:00 -
[69] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Executus Primus wrote:If CCP uses IP addresses for identification, that is borderline stupid. Most services in Europe at least use dynamic IP addresses for allocation with DSL lines. In Germany for instance ... Dynamic is not the same as random. CCP will not only ban single IP addresses, but they are banning entire subnets. This is not stupid. It is common practise, you only did not know it yet.
In case of a an ISP a "subnet" might be an /8 or /16 which - again - is borderline stupid. Besides, if you want to identify a group of IP addresses that belong to a certain entity you don't use "subnets" (that is an end user term describing how network segments are defined _internally_) you use an AS (autonomous system).
But i guess you did not know that yet. |
Wodensun
ZeroSec
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:44:00 -
[70] - Quote
Xpaulusx wrote: All i can say is "Thank God for the Great Chinese Firewall" We have enough problems with RMTers as is, we dont need 20 thousand chinese farmboys on top of it. Thank you CCP Good call.
******. How would you feel when you cant visit CNN or Amnesty International. When your government desides for you what you can and cannot watch on the internet. Think before posting this drivel. |
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Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
63
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:13:00 -
[71] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perramas wrote:The problem isnt CCP, the problem is your government not letting you access the rest of the world. To solve your problem change your government to one that will let you access the rest of the world and you will be able to play with the rest of the screwed up world. I am sure thay will do so in the next (democratic) Chinese general election.
They can change the government just like the the Soviet satellite countires did in the late 1980s and early 1990s and like the Arab countries have been doing the last few years. They just need to get off their billion + asses and change it if they do not like it. |
Pyotr Kamarovi
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:41:00 -
[72] - Quote
Confirming that there are heavy amounts of racism in this thread. |
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:45:00 -
[73] - Quote
Perramas wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perramas wrote:The problem isnt CCP, the problem is your government not letting you access the rest of the world. To solve your problem change your government to one that will let you access the rest of the world and you will be able to play with the rest of the screwed up world. I am sure thay will do so in the next (democratic) Chinese general election. They can change the government just like the the Soviet satellite countires did in the late 1980s and early 1990s and like the Arab countries have been doing the last few years. They just need to get off their billion + asses and change it if they do not like it.
I seem to recall Tiananmen Square.
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
175
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:51:00 -
[74] - Quote
Erad Stomper wrote:If you can't play without a VPN in China it's not CCP fault it's the chinese government fault and everything your government do is accepted by the chinese people so if you want more freedom on the internet you should ask your government not CCP.
If you want more freedom go in the street and ask your government for it.
If you feel everything is OK in China then shut up and play a boring chinese game.
Yeah, we know how well that worked out the last time anyone tried. What with tanks and guns and all sorts of other nonsense. Actually, given that, it's almost hard to believe people would voice an opinion over a ban.
Strictly speaking, I can't say I have an opinion about this, but I do understand that CCP is obviously unlikely to be banning all accounts associated with a specific VPN ID, or there would be more bans, or just less players managing to trial and or get an account. If they can get in through that VPN, then it is likely this is not how CCP is processing these bans.
That means they are either very legitimate, or some players are getting caught in the crossfire by associating with RMTs. A couple million ISK transfer is no reason for a ban in and of itself, but transferring deadspace loot in space is, as is any number of other things that is done specifically by RMT.
tl;dr: Don't associate with RMT, and earn your way up like everybody else. Western players don't just hand out any amount of ISK in most cases. Status quo is: You want it, you earn it; or essentially so in any case.
I have helped players in Corp with me as part of a training and enticement offer, but I've not done the same for many others. In fact, I've only ever really done that in one case, but it was very limited and only because he was inexperienced but a friend of a friend and a kid.
Technically speaking, he was supposed to pay me back but he kept losing ships and it took him a long time to adapt to the game. Eventually, he just tried to scam the loots out of me while he stockpiled inventory, tried to steal from the corp, and made efforts to get me to give him ISK in other ways. It was tolerated for the most part but never entertained after that.
Frankly it wasn't a big deal, but the point is I don't see anything that may seem to mirror RMT activities there. That kind of activity shouldn't result in plkayers being banned, and if it did-as someone already mentioned-we wouldn't have that many players at all. Of course, this was all before Team Security and CCP Screegs really started cracking down and working out their anti-botting measures and combating RMT.
I'm not sure how those activities would have registered in light of the new system, but I don't think it would really be any different. Maybe a flag pop-up now and then because of an ISK transfer, but otherwise not likely to cause an alarm. RMT typically do their business by other means and in much higher quantities as far as I know.
Either way, I'm glad for Team Security and all the anti-RMT measures and efforts to stop botting that are being done now. It might be that players screw up the game well enough on their own with market domination attempts like Burn Jita and Hulkageddon, but at least they are legitimate attempts to wreck the market and reap profit in game, rather than some guy or group of people with most likely criminal affiliations trying to profit out of game from game related activities.
That's just the way it is. No system is perfect, but at least they are trying. Chances are, they got it down to a fine science by now and occaisionally have little burps and hiccups in the process where undeserving people get banned.
Of course, unless you are an RMT, the ban is temporary in most cases as far as I know, so you have your chance to stop affiliating yourself with those individuals and play the game properly. It's a good chance they are just trying to recruit fartmers anyway, and if you are a farmer, you are an RMT, and we all know what they deserve.
Maybe not as culpable, but still a cog in the wheel that runs round and tramples all us regular players in the process of ruining our game. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
March rabbit
Trojan Trolls Red Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:56:00 -
[75] - Quote
Erad Stomper wrote:Daniel Hita wrote:the Great Chinese FirewallWe Chinese can't access youtube, facebook even www.google.com . all these URL are banned . We are in a cage Who is the fool, the one who live in the cage or the one who built the cage for his commrades. i guess real fool is the person who only uses his political and geographical place in the world to live and point to other people. 99% of american and european people did NOTHING to make those places any different from China. And if some day you get in your USA communists in power you will only accept it
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Mcyummy Bergor
Telescope Level 4
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:00:00 -
[76] - Quote
Nex apparatu5 wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Xpaulusx wrote: All i can say is "Thank God for the Great Chinese Firewall" We have enough problems with RMTers as is, we dont need 20 thousand chinese farmboys on top of it. Thank you CCP Good call. Oh look, an idiot spewing stereotypes. Stereotypes exist because they're true in most cases.
Using the "Stereotypes" to pre-judge other groups of people is called "Discrimination". |
Josef Djugashvilis
143
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:05:00 -
[77] - Quote
Ejit wrote:Tianran Liu wrote: 1.THERE IS NO CHINESE SERVER. Where do you expect them to go anyway?.
How about you all just go away? It's bad enough with all the Russians who only play to fund drinking habits. I can't imagine what it'd be like with 1000's of Chinese here as well! EVE would turn into a commie on commie cold war with both sides vying for their piece of the RMT pie!!!
Your name suits you sir.
Christain name, Feckin'? You want fries with that? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1795
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:05:00 -
[78] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:Erad Stomper wrote:Daniel Hita wrote:the Great Chinese FirewallWe Chinese can't access youtube, facebook even www.google.com . all these URL are banned . We are in a cage Who is the fool, the one who live in the cage or the one who built the cage for his commrades. i guess real fool is the person who only uses his political and geographical place in the world to live and point to other people. 99% of american and european people did NOTHING to make those places any different from China. And if some day you get in your USA communists in power you will only accept it
The key is to not let things get to that point. Never let your government get to the point where it can not be held accountable by the population it is there to serve. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
66
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:09:00 -
[79] - Quote
Sycho Pathic wrote:Perramas wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perramas wrote:The problem isnt CCP, the problem is your government not letting you access the rest of the world. To solve your problem change your government to one that will let you access the rest of the world and you will be able to play with the rest of the screwed up world. I am sure thay will do so in the next (democratic) Chinese general election. They can change the government just like the the Soviet satellite countires did in the late 1980s and early 1990s and like the Arab countries have been doing the last few years. They just need to get off their billion + asses and change it if they do not like it. I seem to recall Tiananmen Square.
Freedom is not free, you earn it with blood. How many Arabs died in Libya and how long did they fight to topple Gaddafi?? How many are dieing in Syria right now and how long have they been fighting? How many died standing up to the old guard Soviets for years? Tienanmen was what a one day protest? They do not want to have to pay the price for freedom so they are not free. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
695
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:21:00 -
[80] - Quote
On behalf of the western country people with some civility and education, I welcome our Chinese players to EvE.
Sadly some CCP GMs are known to be very strict and fast in their action and give very little chances to try prove your points.
I suggest you and your friends file a petition to CCP in advance about asking what you could do to avoid getting banned over nonsense.
You should explain your forced need to share the same VPN and ask if there are ways to prove you are not involved in RMT.
You should also save your logs so you can prove you did nothing wrong. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Ejit
STD contractors
53
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:46:00 -
[81] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ejit wrote:Tianran Liu wrote: 1.THERE IS NO CHINESE SERVER. Where do you expect them to go anyway?.
How about you all just go away? It's bad enough with all the Russians who only play to fund drinking habits. I can't imagine what it'd be like with 1000's of Chinese here as well! EVE would turn into a commie on commie cold war with both sides vying for their piece of the RMT pie!!! Your name suits you sir. Christian name, Feckin'?
Very astute, you're not far from the truth
But as offensive as my comment may sound, there's no denying it's truth. Some Russians in EVE actually do get paid with free Vodka in exchange for farming/botting.
Now picture the scenario. China suddenly drops all it's firewalls giving unrestricted web access. Now with more web users than the western countries combined, (500+ million currently) Tranquillity's Chinese users would easily outnumber the rest of us overnight.
Without doubt this would inevitably drive out western players. And we'd just be left with Russians and Chinese trying to squeeze out one last Dollar from the remaining population. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
551
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:49:00 -
[82] - Quote
blame your country men for making the stereotype. kinda like how russians are looked down on because they bott as well. |
Jakemonz
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:54:00 -
[83] - Quote
Perramas wrote:Sycho Pathic wrote:Perramas wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perramas wrote:The problem isnt CCP, the problem is your government not letting you access the rest of the world. To solve your problem change your government to one that will let you access the rest of the world and you will be able to play with the rest of the screwed up world. I am sure thay will do so in the next (democratic) Chinese general election. They can change the government just like the the Soviet satellite countires did in the late 1980s and early 1990s and like the Arab countries have been doing the last few years. They just need to get off their billion + asses and change it if they do not like it. I seem to recall Tiananmen Square. Freedom is not free, you earn it with blood. How many Arabs died in Libya and how long did they fight to topple Gaddafi?? How many are dieing in Syria right now and how long have they been fighting? How many died standing up to the old guard Soviets for years? Tienanmen was what a one day protest? They do not want to have to pay the price for freedom so they are not free.
This is typical, some ppl know so little yet they act as if they know it all. One day protest? Try google Tiananmen square 1989 on the Internet then speak |
EntroX
The Oversized Drive Club Lone Star Partners
6
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:55:00 -
[84] - Quote
I miss my good old chinese friends :( FailHeap Lotteries, the only lottery where failure is an option: http://flhp.me/lotto/ |
Jakemonz
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:07:00 -
[85] - Quote
Ejit wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ejit wrote:Tianran Liu wrote: 1.THERE IS NO CHINESE SERVER. Where do you expect them to go anyway?.
How about you all just go away? It's bad enough with all the Russians who only play to fund drinking habits. I can't imagine what it'd be like with 1000's of Chinese here as well! EVE would turn into a commie on commie cold war with both sides vying for their piece of the RMT pie!!! Your name suits you sir. Christian name, Feckin'? Very astute, you're not far from the truth But as offensive as my comment may sound, there's no denying it's truth. Some Russians in EVE actually do get paid with free Vodka in exchange for farming/botting. Now picture the scenario. China suddenly drops all it's firewalls giving unrestricted web access. Now with more web users than the western countries combined, (500+ million currently) Tranquillity's Chinese users would easily outnumber the rest of us overnight. Without doubt this would inevitably drive out western players. And we'd just be left with Russians and Chinese trying to squeeze out one last Dollar from the remaining population.
Tell you what, people in China actually have free access to TQ with no censorship or whatever nonsense at all. The Chinese government may be crazy but its not crazy enough to censor some internet space ship game. Some dudes in China use VPN simply because there's just too many ppl use internet during night time and it gets really laggy in EVE. It's a fact, believe it or not. Oh, and to make you feel better, EVE is not eve a popular game in China, while the chinese server was still operate, it normally has around 4000-6000 player at peak time. So don't worry if they all decide to come here. As for you comment, I doubt CCP agrees with it. Some RMT dudes may be Chinese, but most Chinese players are still paying real good money to CCP, either through their chinese business partner Tian CIty, or directly from subscribers at TQ. It's chinese money but it is money nevertheless, and it helps this game keep running and even get beeter. Remember, no one says no to money. |
Cineraria
9 C C N
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:47:00 -
[86] - Quote
I always wonder, is there any concrete proof that certain GM had to submit before banning people?
Giviing money is not a proof, at least in my opinion. Accusers have to provide envidences that support their accusations, simple. But at least according to the OP, some GMs does not follow that.
BTW, I'm glad that we Chinese are so famous for gaming skill that some people do FEAR even just a handful of us huh?
Even though I just play on TQ for fun sicne Serenity is down and I'm still in the US, I do think CCP should seriously revise the procedures.
Also, I hope this is not a racial discrimination issue but just GMs banning people and some happens to be chinese. |
Cineraria
9 C C N
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:49:00 -
[87] - Quote
Jakemonz wrote:Ejit wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ejit wrote:Tianran Liu wrote: 1.THERE IS NO CHINESE SERVER. Where do you expect them to go anyway?.
How about you all just go away? It's bad enough with all the Russians who only play to fund drinking habits. I can't imagine what it'd be like with 1000's of Chinese here as well! EVE would turn into a commie on commie cold war with both sides vying for their piece of the RMT pie!!! Your name suits you sir. Christian name, Feckin'? Very astute, you're not far from the truth But as offensive as my comment may sound, there's no denying it's truth. Some Russians in EVE actually do get paid with free Vodka in exchange for farming/botting. Now picture the scenario. China suddenly drops all it's firewalls giving unrestricted web access. Now with more web users than the western countries combined, (500+ million currently) Tranquillity's Chinese users would easily outnumber the rest of us overnight. Without doubt this would inevitably drive out western players. And we'd just be left with Russians and Chinese trying to squeeze out one last Dollar from the remaining population. Tell you what, people in China actually have free access to TQ with no censorship or whatever nonsense at all. The Chinese government may be crazy but its not crazy enough to censor some internet space ship game. Some dudes in China use VPN simply because there's just too many ppl use internet during night time and it gets really laggy in EVE. It's a fact, believe it or not. Oh, and to make you feel better, EVE is not eve a popular game in China, while the chinese server was still operate, it normally has around 4000-6000 player at peak time. So don't worry if they all decide to come here. As for you comment, I doubt CCP agrees with it. Some RMT dudes may be Chinese, but most Chinese players are still paying real good money to CCP, either through their chinese business partner Tian CIty, or directly from subscribers at TQ. It's chinese money but it is money nevertheless, and it helps this game keep running and even get beeter. Remember, no one says no to money.
I doubt Beijing will ever consider banning access to TQ (or restrict it in any sense) since EVE is a cultural exchange project between govt's (so I heard) plus it is just a damn game with NO GORE (unless you count the floating frozen corpses). |
Tianran Liu
Dear Old Loong Man Polaris Mercenary Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:26:00 -
[88] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Feel free to discuss the essence of GM replies, but refrain from posting them. Thank you.
Feel free to discuss where the GMs went wrong, but don't post the evidence. That's a good one.
Vaal Erit wrote:Dude, if they banned people for giving 50m isk, 75% of Eve would be banned Tianran Liu wrote:
Besides VPN, deadspace loot is one other thing that often gets people banned. I've heard about people got banned for picking up the loot in a trail account. I've seen paid account got banned because a rich tengu friend invited him into a 4/10 complex , and share with him half the loot money. Today one player reported that his paid main got banned as his trail alt warp into a deadspace for the first time. This is just getting ridiculous. Where would you go if suddenly you need to start anew, alone, but with all the frigate class ship experience your current game-play gave you, and a ton of free time? Minning in an industrial for less than 1M per hour?
Dude, no one takes a new player flying a burst and gives them half of their deadpsace loot drop. Why would anyone do this? Deadspace loot is involved in the RMT trade. I won't go into it but deaspace loot is recycled by RMT operations and is easily traced. Dude, your friends are RMTer's, gave you an extremely bad lie about what they did, and you bought it hook, line and sinker. Dude, get a clue.
Dude, I wouldn't name names but because I was there when they met and I've seen their private chat log, so I can give you more detail about that transaction.
The tengu owner who found that complex is one with admirable farming and pvp skill. He started his farming accounts only 6 month ago(named after members of a US ex-first family, You'll know them when you see them in local), and brought his 35B -10 sec 100M SP PVP toon last month without selling one single plex(He sold his tengu to a contractor friend just to get that last billion before the day of transfer though). I just received one of his show-off kill mail 5 seconds ago, so I'm pretty sure he's still alive and kicking, and not banned for RMT.
He didn't find that 4/10 complex because he was not at the system, his poor friend did and called him there. And the loot was a Pithium C type medium shield booster. So the tengu guy, in no lack of isk(in his new toon), decided to share some of that(145M, less than half) with the poor new guy. I'm pretty sure they had the detailed explanation in the description of that transaction because I saw them discussed about it in length. And the new guy still got banned.
I don't see any logic in this. First, it takes two to RMT, but the banned guy found himself to be the only one victim here. Second, farming on trail Alt to support the main was against EULA I know, but I don't see how giving isk to a new guy can harm the game in any way. And third. It's obviously wrong to ban someone just because he's new and has some isk when he did nothing against EULA. CCP should ban him if that isk is sold or on sale, but not before that.
Perramas wrote:The problem isnt CCP, the problem is your government not letting you access the rest of the world. To solve your problem change your government to one that will let you access the rest of the world and you will be able to play with the rest of the screwed up world.
If something is so easy, they would have already done it. |
Tianran Liu
Dear Old Loong Man Polaris Mercenary Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:28:00 -
[89] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Feel free to discuss the essence of GM replies, but refrain from posting them. Thank you.
Feel free to discuss where the GMs went wrong, but don't post the evidence. That's a good one.
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Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
416
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Posted - 2012.05.05 20:18:00 -
[90] - Quote
You know, if you'd just stayed on your own server none of this would have happened |
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Shian Yang
68
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Posted - 2012.05.05 20:33:00 -
[91] - Quote
Greetings capsuleers,
It is saddening to see how many who claim other should fight for their freedom from the safety of being free themselves are seeking to repress others. There are some disgusting examples of humanity in this thread. You don't deserve what your ancestors obtained for you.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Cineraria
9 C C N
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 20:40:00 -
[92] - Quote
Jovan Geldon wrote:You know, if you'd just stayed on your own server none of this would have happened and you know, if the Boston Tea party members just stayed in their homes, no death in the independent war will happen. and you know, if the Syrians don't protest, none of the massacre would have happen. and you know, blah blah blah |
devil avenger
Dear Old Loong Man Polaris Mercenary Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 20:51:00 -
[93] - Quote
Perramas wrote:Sycho Pathic wrote:Perramas wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perramas wrote:The problem isnt CCP, the problem is your government not letting you access the rest of the world. To solve your problem change your government to one that will let you access the rest of the world and you will be able to play with the rest of the screwed up world. I am sure thay will do so in the next (democratic) Chinese general election. They can change the government just like the the Soviet satellite countires did in the late 1980s and early 1990s and like the Arab countries have been doing the last few years. They just need to get off their billion + asses and change it if they do not like it. I seem to recall Tiananmen Square. Freedom is not free, you earn it with blood. How many Arabs died in Libya and how long did they fight to topple Gaddafi?? How many are dieing in Syria right now and how long have they been fighting? How many died standing up to the old guard Soviets for years? Tienanmen was what a one day protest? They do not want to have to pay the price for freedom so they are not free.
I assure you that the Chinese people know this better then you. before the CCP was in power, China was constantly in war and being invaded for 200 years. The British started a war with China because the government didn't allow them to sell opium, Japanese came to china and massacred 200000-300000 civilians. I am not blaming anyone, we were weak, and **** happens right.But believe me, chinese people do know that freedom is not free. And I am going to tell you why there's no revolution in China right now, it's because chinese people is tired of being in wars. oh and please get your facts straight before u type it down, because you are showing nothing else than pure ignorance |
Kogh Ayon
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
37
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Posted - 2012.05.05 20:53:00 -
[94] - Quote
Faith Patrouette wrote:iniq wrote:my good friend . our corp CEO be banned , and GM said he RMT . and I am sure he didnt do that .now he leave this game , I am disappointed I too would be dissapointed to find out one of my friends did rmt
Assuming all the bans were investigated by a responsible GM. |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
244
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Posted - 2012.05.05 20:54:00 -
[95] - Quote
devil avenger wrote:I assure you that the Chinese people know this better then you. before the CCP was in power, China was constantly in war and being invaded for 200 years. The British started a war with China because the government didn't allow them to sell opium, Japanese came to china and massacred 200000-300000 civilians. I am not blaming anyone, we were weak, and **** happens right.But believe me, chinese people do know that freedom is not free. And I am going to tell you why there's no revolution in China right now, it's because chinese people is tired of being in wars. oh and please get your facts straight before u type it down, because you are showing nothing else than pure ignorance
The Chinese are one of the most consistently oppressed people in history.
In my more WTF days I wondered if they had been *selectively bred* to be passive.
Then I met some of their military folks, and some of their bloggers who speak out against the current regime. More balls than I'll ever have. Passive aggression, huh? -áNo, that's fine. |
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:15:00 -
[96] - Quote
Perramas wrote:
They can change the government just like the the Soviet satellite countires did in the late 1980s and early 1990s and like the Arab countries have been doing the last few years. They just need to get off their billion + asses and change it if they do not like it.
Try this.
On topic, unfortunately I have to side with CCP on this one. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
176
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:35:00 -
[97] - Quote
Tianran Liu wrote:Mars Theran wrote:.... Of course, unless you are an RMT, the ban is temporary in most cases as far as I know, so you have your chance to stop affiliating yourself with those individuals and play the game properly. It's a good chance they are just trying to recruit fartmers anyway, and if you are a farmer, you are an RMT, and we all know what they deserve. Maybe not as culpable, but still a cog in the wheel that runs round and tramples all us regular players in the process of ruining our game. CCP guard edited my post, or you'll have seen GM Nova "..." Perramas wrote:Freedom is not free, you earn it with blood. How many Arabs died in Libya and how long did they fight to topple Gaddafi?? How many are dieing in Syria right now and how long have they been fighting? How many died standing up to the old guard Soviets for years? Tienanmen was what a one day protest? They do not want to have to pay the price for freedom so they are not free. No it's not a one day protest, it's a fight for freedom mixed with political faction struggle that lasted for more than 2 month and sadly have to end up with blood shed. It's actually a turning point where the CCP refrained from its open up policy and decided to strengthen censorship again. So you don't always get what you fight for, sometimes you get the opposite when you did it wrong, and things are only going to get worse if you fit your high slots with weapons. And the latest Nobel peace prize winner, "He was There". Mind to take a guess on what his oponion was?
...might want to remove that quote; there is a reason why CCP Guard edited your post.
I have no idea who the latest Nobel prize winner is or why he was "..there." Nobel Prizes are typically a high society thing in the western world anyway so I don't put much stock in them. I`m quite sure many of the holders of these prizes have things they would rather the public not know too.
Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
176
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:38:00 -
[98] - Quote
Nyla Skin wrote:Perramas wrote:
They can change the government just like the the Soviet satellite countires did in the late 1980s and early 1990s and like the Arab countries have been doing the last few years. They just need to get off their billion + asses and change it if they do not like it.
Try this.On topic, unfortunately I have to side with CCP on this one.
Likewise. They may make mistakes but at least they are trying. As for the guy who made huge amounts of ISK, was super rich, etc, etc.. I wouldn`t be surprised if he was an RMT and just hadn't got caught yet. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
494
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:49:00 -
[99] - Quote
The Center for Disease Control went BANKRUPT? OH CRAP!
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Astrid Stjerna
Underking Family
663
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Posted - 2012.05.05 22:01:00 -
[100] - Quote
Tianran Liu wrote: This was no big deal for me until I noticed the recent dramatic increase in the number of GM harassment against these new accounts. On the two most popular forums in China- ECF and EveBa, there are daily reports of people seeking help because their accounts were banned. Few of them ever got their account back, and I personally have lost corp friends who got banned for borrowing a few million to buy his first drake. I'm sure the GMs got tons of petitions related to this everyday, but some how they did nothing. No, it's worse than nothing, because they even blab about their slaughter of the guilty along with the innocents.
Yes, the GMs get petitions about this. Thousands of them. CCP has already stated, several times, that if they catch an ISK-seller, they will remove the funds and any item gained from the from all accounts that were involved.
Your friends accepted ISK from a disreputable source. I'm sorry to sound so harsh, but when the drug dealer gets caught, they don't just let the buyers off with a warning. I can't get rid of my darn signature!-á Oh, wait.... |
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Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.05.06 01:13:00 -
[101] - Quote
Nate Hill wrote:It's a large, but isolated, market with millions of pirated games. With all those pirates, there gotta be a market for EVE out there! Signature added by Adalun Dey. |
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
91
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Posted - 2012.05.06 01:29:00 -
[102] - Quote
Personally, I'm happy to see our Chinese spacebros on Tranquility. However, if you guys are going to play on our server, you're going to have to get used to the fact that a large number of Eve GMs have the critical thinking skills of a wet fart. Some of them may be intelligent, sensitive individuals who are perfectly capable of rational thought. They just don't do any of that **** at work. Welcome to our world. Goons have been butting heads with dumb GMs since our founding. If you'd like any tips, feel free to send me an evemail. I'm no Internet Spaceship Lawyer, but I know some guys who are. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
720
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Posted - 2012.05.06 01:36:00 -
[103] - Quote
I don't think I know enough about what is going on to really have an opinion. It would be a sad state of affairs if someone couldn't play because their government sucked, though. I mean let's face it... who's government doesn't suck? I would be very interested in CCPs take on all of this.
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
735
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Posted - 2012.05.06 01:37:00 -
[104] - Quote
Most likely we have to take the OP's word for all this. Since when do we TRUST in EVE? You have to show me a lot more than assertions. I read the CCP post, and the only people I can see who'd be incensed by it would be the RMT folks. Coming here and squawking about it? I tend to think it's a PR push. Prove me WRONG. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
91
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Posted - 2012.05.06 01:45:00 -
[105] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Most likely we have to take the OP's word for all this. Since when do we TRUST in EVE? You have to show me a lot more than assertions. I read the CCP post, and the only people I can see who'd be incensed by it would be the RMT folks. Coming here and squawking about it? I tend to think it's a PR push. Prove me WRONG. 2/10
Lurk more. |
Jakemonz
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 02:10:00 -
[106] - Quote
Jovan Geldon wrote:You know, if you'd just stayed on your own server none of this would have happened
You know, if you stay away from this post I won't need to read any of your opinion. So what's the point. |
Shogun Archer
90
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Posted - 2012.05.06 02:17:00 -
[107] - Quote
I kinda like the idea of carving the spaceships out of wood and renting the planetarium.
If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.05.06 03:42:00 -
[108] - Quote
lets guantanamo up this mutha |
Mono Ethanolamine
TM Reincarnation Polaris Mercenary Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 03:43:00 -
[109] - Quote
Racists Won! |
Mono Ethanolamine
TM Reincarnation Polaris Mercenary Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 04:07:00 -
[110] - Quote
For the sentence written by GM "China has its own server" What is the point on that? China has no law to restrict the internet access unless the government has already blocked the server. And this is no only in China, just like a lot countries have blocked the website like "the pirate bay" and "wiki leaks".
Moreover, there are millions of chinese ppl living overseas, actually I felt more laggy and delay when i played in Chinese server. And it is not written in EULA that chinese should not play in TQ. The problem is when the GM said the reason why to block a chinese user due to china has its own server, it is an action to against to law and morality.
As mentioned by the previous post, the Tiananmen square past for more than 20 years. It is ridiculous that ppl blaming chinese ppl always by giving a reason of Tiananmen Square. First, you guys don't even know the truth of the event. Second, it is a government action so you guys should blame the government rather than the chinese ppl.
And good job, racists and internet trolls. |
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Nate Hill
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.06 04:13:00 -
[111] - Quote
A good ISP is so important. Thanks to my ISP.There's just a average 246ms of lag and zero packet loss from Shanghai. |
Loike
The Alpha and the Omega Inver Brass
6
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Posted - 2012.05.06 04:17:00 -
[112] - Quote
ccp is a communist state so i dont think you are going to get anywhere with them |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
250
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Posted - 2012.05.06 04:30:00 -
[113] - Quote
sÿ+, µÇÄS¦êµá+? CCP tÜä EULA µ+àµÑÜtÜäF»¦, "sªéµP£S+ÇS+¬S¦¦F󽵃ÑtªüS¦å, S+ûS+¼S+ܵèèµëǵ£ëtÜäS¦¦S++tö¿S+ǵá+tÜäIPµƒÑtªüS+ûS+¼." µêæµÿÄtÖ+S+áS+¼tÜäserver µÄëS+ïS¦ås+ôtä¦S+áS+¼s+êtöƒµ¦ö, sÅ»µÿ»F+Öµá+tÜ䵃ÑtªüsèPµ¦òµÿ»µÖ«TÇÜtÜä.
sôª, F+ÿµ£ë...µêætƒÑTüôF+ÖS¦¢F«¦s¥¢S+ètÜät¼¿F¢ïµÿ»t¿«µùÅS++t+¬FÇàtÜä, s¦¦FªüsæèF»ëS+áTù¿, S+ûS+¼µÿ»S+úFí¿F¦ütÜä? s¦¦µÿ»S+ÇS¦¢tÖ+tù¦, S+ìt«íS+ûS+¼.
s»¦S+ìF¦+, µ£ïsÅïTù¿, µêæsÑ+S¦àµ¦íF»¦S+¡µûç, s¦¦µÿ»µèèS+¡µûçt++F»æµêÉF例ûç...µ»öFç¬s+¦såÖS+¡µûçs«¦µÿôtÜäsñÜ Passive aggression, huh? -áNo, that's fine. |
Loike
The Alpha and the Omega Inver Brass
7
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Posted - 2012.05.06 04:31:00 -
[114] - Quote
Degren wrote:sÿ+, µÇÄS¦êµá+? CCP tÜä EULA µ+àµÑÜtÜäF»¦, "sªéµP£S+ÇS+¬S¦¦F󽵃ÑtªüS¦å, S+ûS+¼S+ܵèèµëǵ£ëtÜäS¦¦S++tö¿S+ǵá+tÜäIPµƒÑtªüS+ûS+¼. µêæµÿÄtÖ+S+áS+¼tÜäserver µÄëS+ïS¦ås+ôtä¦S+áS+¼s+êtöƒµ¦ö, sÅ»µÿ»F+Öµá+tÜ䵃ÑtªüsèPµ¦òµÿ»µÖ«TÇÜtÜä.
sôª, F+ÿµ£ë...µêætƒÑTüôF+ÖS¦¢F«¦s¥¢S+ètÜät¼¿F¢ïµÿ»t¿«µùÅS++t+¬FÇàtÜä, s¦¦FªüsæèF»ëS+áTù¿, S+ûS+¼µÿ»S+úFí¿F¦ütÜä? s¦¦µÿ»S+ÇS¦¢tÖ+tù¦, S+ìt«íS+ûS+¼.
s»¦S+ìF¦+, µ£ïsÅïTù¿, µêæsÑ+S¦àµ¦íF»¦S+¡µûç, s¦¦µÿ»µèèS+¡µûçt++F»æµêÉF例ûç...µ»öFç¬s+¦såÖS+¡µûçs«¦µÿôtÜäsñÜ
nihao
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Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
250
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Posted - 2012.05.06 04:34:00 -
[115] - Quote
Yup, nihao. Passive aggression, huh? -áNo, that's fine. |
Lithalnas
Privateers Privateer Alliance
114
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:43:00 -
[116] - Quote
according to reddit, its not quite shutting down forever, its actually going to shutdown under cdc and start up under a new company with all the old assets preserved. Privateer Alliance, rebuilding a not so safe High Sec.-á
Want to assist in this endevor? (contract wars, corp/pilot recrutment) Contact one of our directors. |
iniq
TM Reincarnation Polaris Mercenary Alliance
12
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Posted - 2012.05.06 07:04:00 -
[117] - Quote
free bump |
Sevastian Liao
Hedion University Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.05.06 07:46:00 -
[118] - Quote
"I'm not racist, I'm just applying stereotypes of a particular race playing dirty because some of them do that and it's totally true! Oh, and we can't allow them to join our super exclusive club because then their race would outnumber my own race, and we can't have that"
To the OP - It does sound as though it's collateral damage from some pretty ham - fisted bot banning procedures from CCP, as opposed to deliberate discrimination on the part of CCP against Chinese people. I know it hardly seems fair that mainly Chinese players are affected by this, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's happening simply on account of your race. I'd advise patience and hope that the issue gets resolved soon. I know it's frustrating but hey, I'd hope it's worth it for EVE. |
Shian Yang
72
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Posted - 2012.05.06 08:06:00 -
[119] - Quote
Degren wrote:sÿ+, µÇÄS¦êµá+? CCP tÜä EULA µ+àµÑÜtÜäF»¦, "sªéµP£S+ÇS+¬S¦¦F󽵃ÑtªüS¦å, S+ûS+¼S+ܵèèµëǵ£ëtÜäS¦¦S++tö¿S+ǵá+tÜäIPµƒÑtªüS+ûS+¼." µêæµÿÄtÖ+S+áS+¼tÜäserver µÄëS+ïS¦ås+ôtä¦S+áS+¼s+êtöƒµ¦ö, sÅ»µÿ»F+Öµá+tÜ䵃ÑtªüsèPµ¦òµÿ»µÖ«TÇÜtÜä.
sôª, F+ÿµ£ë...µêætƒÑTüôF+ÖS¦¢F«¦s¥¢S+ètÜät¼¿F¢ïµÿ»t¿«µùÅS++t+¬FÇàtÜä, s¦¦FªüsæèF»ëS+áTù¿, S+ûS+¼µÿ»S+úFí¿F¦ütÜä? s¦¦µÿ»S+ÇS¦¢tÖ+tù¦, S+ìt«íS+ûS+¼.
s»¦S+ìF¦+, µ£ïsÅïTù¿, µêæsÑ+S¦àµ¦íF»¦S+¡µûç, s¦¦µÿ»µèèS+¡µûçt++F»æµêÉF例ûç...µ»öFç¬s+¦såÖS+¡µûçs«¦µÿôtÜäsñÜ
Greetings capsuleer,
Very true about the other denizens on the forum.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1131
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Posted - 2012.05.06 08:19:00 -
[120] - Quote
"Innocent", "china", "isk farming", "ban hammered like a boss", "celebration"
Don't mind me - just added some keywords to the thread.
Get |
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Florian Bao
JinJing Trade Consortium
8
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Posted - 2012.05.06 08:34:00 -
[121] - Quote
Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:Confirming that there are heavy amounts of racism in this thread.
Shian Yang wrote:
It is saddening to see how many who claim other should fight for their freedom from the safety of being free themselves are seeking to repress others. There are some disgusting examples of humanity in this thread. You don't deserve what your ancestors obtained for you.
Mono Ethanolamine wrote:
And good job, racists and internet trolls.
qft |
Athreya
Far Eastern Domen
4
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Posted - 2012.05.06 08:53:00 -
[122] - Quote
This account, Athreya, was perma banned in the past for RMT. I was trying to level several trial accounts at ones and transferred a few cheap skillboooks to these accounts to start leveling. Was permabaned for RMT by GM Gusto. It took 3 months of petitioning and 3 time reopening of petitions to get account back. At the end, GMs told me, ok we have discussed this issue and agreed to unban you for this time, but in the next time... and did not return skillpoints lost. Needless to tell I never do any suspicious actions anymore and always write a comment why I send money to somebody
As Chekhov said (eve translation): The hapiness of happy eve players is based on the silence of those who was perma banned for "RMT" |
Wukulo
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
60
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Posted - 2012.05.06 09:26:00 -
[123] - Quote
I suggest you move to a country where video gaming doesn't take a VPN. Posted on main because I'm not a coward like the rest of you. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
179
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Posted - 2012.05.06 09:28:00 -
[124] - Quote
Mono Ethanolamine wrote:For the sentence written by GM "China has its own server" What is the point on that? China has no law to restrict the internet access unless the government has already blocked the server. And this is no only in China, just like a lot countries have blocked the website like "the pirate bay" and "wiki leaks".
Moreover, there are millions of chinese ppl living overseas, actually I felt more laggy and delay when i played in Chinese server. And it is not written in EULA that chinese should not play in TQ. The problem is when the GM said the reason why to block a chinese user due to china has its own server, it is an action to against to law and morality.
As mentioned by the previous post, the Tiananmen square past for more than 20 years. It is ridiculous that ppl blaming chinese ppl always by giving a reason of Tiananmen Square. First, you guys don't even know the truth of the event. Second, it is a government action so you guys should blame the government rather than the chinese ppl.
And good job, racists and internet trolls.
I think your google translate messed up, unless I missed something. I'm pretty sure Tiananmen square as mentioned here was a reference to the level the government of China is willing to go to to quell a protest.
I haven't read the last few pages so I'm not a 100% sure on that, but I don't think anyone is under the illusion that that particular event was anything but an oppressive agressive action to stomp out all resistance by military force as ordered by the government. I don't think anybody sensible thought it was the fault of the Chinese people.
There have been quasi-racist comments to be sure, but they're mostly trolling and it's hard to say whether they actually are racist or just pretending to be. Some people are a bit clueless with regard to that sort of thing and tend to think it's amusing. Most sensible people just ignore them. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Mono Ethanolamine
TM Reincarnation Polaris Mercenary Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 10:20:00 -
[125] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:Mono Ethanolamine wrote:For the sentence written by GM "China has its own server" What is the point on that? China has no law to restrict the internet access unless the government has already blocked the server. And this is no only in China, just like a lot countries have blocked the website like "the pirate bay" and "wiki leaks".
Moreover, there are millions of chinese ppl living overseas, actually I felt more laggy and delay when i played in Chinese server. And it is not written in EULA that chinese should not play in TQ. The problem is when the GM said the reason why to block a chinese user due to china has its own server, it is an action to against to law and morality.
As mentioned by the previous post, the Tiananmen square past for more than 20 years. It is ridiculous that ppl blaming chinese ppl always by giving a reason of Tiananmen Square. First, you guys don't even know the truth of the event. Second, it is a government action so you guys should blame the government rather than the chinese ppl.
And good job, racists and internet trolls. I think your google translate messed up, unless I missed something. I'm pretty sure Tiananmen square as mentioned here was a reference to the level the government of China is willing to go to to quell a protest. I haven't read the last few pages so I'm not a 100% sure on that, but I don't think anyone is under the illusion that that particular event was anything but an oppressive agressive action to stomp out all resistance by military force as ordered by the government. I don't think anybody sensible thought it was the fault of the Chinese people. There have been quasi-racist comments to be sure, but they're mostly trolling and it's hard to say whether they actually are racist or just pretending to be. Some people are a bit clueless with regard to that sort of thing and tend to think it's amusing. Most sensible people just ignore them.
It is my mind messed up. Whatever, actually I am a kinda of trolling. LOL |
Arec Bardwin
Perkone Caldari State
366
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:08:00 -
[126] - Quote
Also, Dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please. |
Lady Aja
51
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:20:00 -
[127] - Quote
niec to see all the rmters will follow the asian invasion. lol that rhymes.
imo half of what you say is utter bullshit. i have a friend ingame from mainland china.
me and him have traded between us and nothing. not a single ban.
so stop blaming whitey for all your issues.
but on a side note it does explain the sudden increase of isk spammers. where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!! |
Diabolyc
Bunny Mafia
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:53:00 -
[128] - Quote
1. Chinese guy complaining about ban 2. Chinese RMT-ers jump on to suport OP 3. CCP doesn't give a single $hit 4. Rest of the world successful in trolling .... 5. Entire topic - Priceless! |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
233
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:25:00 -
[129] - Quote
Considering all the mentions of what the Chinese government refers to as the "June 4th Incident" in this thread, it's probably just a matter of time before EVE bans are being handed out by the Chinese government instead of CCP.
Honestly, I'm surprised Chinese players are permitted to play a Western title on a Western server in the first place. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:45:00 -
[130] - Quote
it is better to ban 10 innocents than to let 1 guilty escape concerning the PRC |
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Nate Hill
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:37:00 -
[131] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Considering all the mentions of what the Chinese government refers to as the "June 4th Incident" in this thread, it's probably just a matter of time before EVE bans are being handed out by the Chinese government instead of CCP.
Honestly, I'm surprised Chinese players are permitted to play a Western title on a Western server in the first place.
Actually thereGÇÿs no such a prohibition in China. World of warcraft is more popular and mainstream than EVE in China. But the government never prohibits wowers from playing sever outside China(even in Taiwan), cause games make no threat against its governance. I even can buy games from Steam with RMB. I just bought Skyrim,the Sims3,Civilization5 and so forth on Steam. I also bought EVE cdkey through Steam.It's cheaper.... |
Nate Hill
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:45:00 -
[132] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote: it is better to ban 10 innocents than to let 1 guilty escape concerning the PRC
CCP is evil.But it doens't mean all Chinese are demons. |
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:48:00 -
[133] - Quote
I don't know about you guys, but the vast majority of Eve RMTers I've noticed were, let's say "Eastern European," and they use bots exclusively. Before Serenity existed, I used to blow up a lot of Chinese players in lowsec. If they were RMTing, they were doing it the least efficient way possible, because they were usually flying suboptimal ships and there were clearly human players at the helm because man did they squeal when they died. They weren't RMTers, they were just clueless empire pubbies, just like the rest of you. I'm sure these guys are no different. |
Mono Ethanolamine
TM Reincarnation Polaris Mercenary Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.05.07 00:38:00 -
[134] - Quote
Devilish Ledoux wrote:I don't know about you guys, but the vast majority of Eve RMTers I've noticed were, let's say "Eastern European," and they use bots exclusively. Before Serenity existed, I used to blow up a lot of Chinese players in lowsec. If they were RMTing, they were doing it the least efficient way possible, because they were usually flying suboptimal ships and there were clearly human players at the helm because man did they squeal when they died. They weren't RMTers, they were just clueless empire pubbies, just like the rest of you. I'm sure these guys are no different.
Indeed, no RMTer stay in low sec, most of them are in high sec for questing or farming as renters in null sec.
And the main stream of the chinese players have already declare to against all the actions related to RMT
Blade. led or maintained the defense fleet, with Talos Coalition, Black Star Alliance, and HUN Reloaded help; a notable contributor was Blade. Chinese corp Great Sage Equaling Heaven. That corp contains GÇ£water sky,GÇ¥ a Chinese player who was particularly helpful in illuminating Chinese server Serenity politics and practices. The corp claims to have a very strong stance against RMT and macros; usually IGÇÖd mock that sort of thing, but water sky seems pretty chill so letGÇÖs give them the benefit of the doubt. Quote from eve 24 news, 2010
Actually there are several Chinese RMTers in TQ, and we have several actions to against them to protect the profit of the whole chinese captains community.
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/02/28/chinese-tear-farmers-strike-high-sec/
We have killed a lot raven navy issues with totally the same fit, and verified they are high sec RMTers.
It is a strong stereotype to Chinese players, actually we are flying in TQ for fun as well. The Chinese PVPers are always to be recognised as Japanese captains. lol We have an action last year to occupy a corner in syndicate and the surrounding alliances spend more than one week to know we are Chinese rather than Japanese.
Currently, we set up our base in Stain and welcome t o come, friends. |
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
94
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Posted - 2012.05.07 03:47:00 -
[135] - Quote
Plus I enjoy reading their posts. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.05.07 09:40:00 -
[136] - Quote
Mono Ethanolamine wrote:Devilish Ledoux wrote:I don't know about you guys, but the vast majority of Eve RMTers I've noticed were, let's say "Eastern European," and they use bots exclusively. Before Serenity existed, I used to blow up a lot of Chinese players in lowsec. If they were RMTing, they were doing it the least efficient way possible, because they were usually flying suboptimal ships and there were clearly human players at the helm because man did they squeal when they died. They weren't RMTers, they were just clueless empire pubbies, just like the rest of you. I'm sure these guys are no different. Indeed, no RMTer stay in low sec, most of them are in high sec for questing or farming as renters in null sec. And the main stream of the chinese players have already declare to against all the actions related to RMT Blade. led or maintained the defense fleet, with Talos Coalition, Black Star Alliance, and HUN Reloaded help; a notable contributor was Blade. Chinese corp Great Sage Equaling Heaven. That corp contains GÇ£water sky,GÇ¥ a Chinese player who was particularly helpful in illuminating Chinese server Serenity politics and practices. The corp claims to have a very strong stance against RMT and macros; usually IGÇÖd mock that sort of thing, but water sky seems pretty chill so letGÇÖs give them the benefit of the doubt.Quote from eve 24 news, 2010 Actually there are several Chinese RMTers in TQ, and we have several actions to against them to protect the profit of the whole chinese captains community. http://www.evenews24.com/2012/02/28/chinese-tear-farmers-strike-high-sec/We have killed a lot raven navy issues with totally the same fit, and verified they are high sec RMTers. It is a strong stereotype to Chinese players, actually we are flying in TQ for fun as well. The Chinese PVPers are always to be recognised as Japanese captains. lol We have an action last year to occupy a corner in syndicate and the surrounding alliances spend more than one week to know we are Chinese rather than Japanese. Currently, we set up our base in Stain and welcome t o come, friends.
is Water Sky still playing? |
Mono Ethanolamine
TM Reincarnation Polaris Mercenary Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.05.07 13:52:00 -
[137] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Mono Ethanolamine wrote:Devilish Ledoux wrote:I don't know about you guys, but the vast majority of Eve RMTers I've noticed were, let's say "Eastern European," and they use bots exclusively. Before Serenity existed, I used to blow up a lot of Chinese players in lowsec. If they were RMTing, they were doing it the least efficient way possible, because they were usually flying suboptimal ships and there were clearly human players at the helm because man did they squeal when they died. They weren't RMTers, they were just clueless empire pubbies, just like the rest of you. I'm sure these guys are no different. Indeed, no RMTer stay in low sec, most of them are in high sec for questing or farming as renters in null sec. And the main stream of the chinese players have already declare to against all the actions related to RMT Blade. led or maintained the defense fleet, with Talos Coalition, Black Star Alliance, and HUN Reloaded help; a notable contributor was Blade. Chinese corp Great Sage Equaling Heaven. That corp contains GÇ£water sky,GÇ¥ a Chinese player who was particularly helpful in illuminating Chinese server Serenity politics and practices. The corp claims to have a very strong stance against RMT and macros; usually IGÇÖd mock that sort of thing, but water sky seems pretty chill so letGÇÖs give them the benefit of the doubt.Quote from eve 24 news, 2010 Actually there are several Chinese RMTers in TQ, and we have several actions to against them to protect the profit of the whole chinese captains community. http://www.evenews24.com/2012/02/28/chinese-tear-farmers-strike-high-sec/We have killed a lot raven navy issues with totally the same fit, and verified they are high sec RMTers. It is a strong stereotype to Chinese players, actually we are flying in TQ for fun as well. The Chinese PVPers are always to be recognised as Japanese captains. lol We have an action last year to occupy a corner in syndicate and the surrounding alliances spend more than one week to know we are Chinese rather than Japanese. Currently, we set up our base in Stain and welcome t o come, friends. is Water Sky still playing?
Seems yep but not active. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1798
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:36:00 -
[138] - Quote
Since CCP requires players from China to play on their own server due to an agreement with a hosting company over there (and apparently this relationship has the blessings of the govt.) they are well within their rights to require players in China to restrict themselves to that server.
It is unfortunate that that server is currently down, but apparently another company is taking over the service and preserving all account information.
It "seems" as though CCP is being rather strict about players in China not playing on the main server, which would indicate the best course of action is to remain patient until the Chinese server re-opens. I say seems because we really don't know all of the pertinent details on either CCP's side or the Chinese players side.
I have little doubt that at least some of these bannings were due to RMT activity, and of course according to the forums everyone banned for that is innocent. However I also would not doubt that some of them are simply because Chinese players are supposed to wait for their server to re-open.
Not really seeing a conspiracy here. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Aon Flux
Worms Coalition G00DFELLAS
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:29:00 -
[139] - Quote
I am moving to China. Can I or can I not play with the same people as I do now?
Can I access the same stuff as I can now?
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DF3CT
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:05:00 -
[140] - Quote
I've known that it's been around for a while, but I like how the mainstream media is giving attention to the dead dried up baby vitamin capsules in/from China and I was thoroughly disgusted with these baby tortoises who are sealed in a small plastic pouch in a herbal liquid, sold as a necklace keepsake to people and are expected to "last" 1-3 months before they suffocate and die.
Not much sympathy left.
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Xpaulusx
V I R I I Ineluctable.
44
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:50:00 -
[141] - Quote
Wodensun wrote:Xpaulusx wrote: All i can say is "Thank God for the Great Chinese Firewall" We have enough problems with RMTers as is, we dont need 20 thousand chinese farmboys on top of it. Thank you CCP Good call. ******. How would you feel when you cant visit CNN or Amnesty International. When your government desides for you what you can and cannot watch on the internet. Think before posting this drivel.
I have nothing against the Chinese people or their legitimate gaming community, especailly fellow Eve players Reguardless of their Ethnic background or nation of origin , what i do have a problem with is crap like this http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/25/china-prisoners-internet-gaming-scam |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
971
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:19:00 -
[142] - Quote
Degren wrote:CCP has stated (in the EULA, I believe) that they will ban accounts associated with IPs that commit RMT. You can petition them for clarification/defense. This is frankly probably what happened. Via the VPN they appeared at the same IP as where botters/RMTers played from. It's not CCP discriminating against Chinese players on purpose, but CCP being harsh on botters/RMTers behind VPNs, which they cannot distinguish from anyone else behind the same VPN (that's the whole point of a VPN).
You are probably out of luck. Even if you can prove that your friends really did nothing wrong, CCP will not want to help since they probably do not want to cause an international incident by helping Chinese citizens break the law. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3760
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:20:00 -
[143] - Quote
Mono Ethanolamine wrote:Devilish Ledoux wrote:I don't know about you guys, but the vast majority of Eve RMTers I've noticed were, let's say "Eastern European," and they use bots exclusively. Before Serenity existed, I used to blow up a lot of Chinese players in lowsec. If they were RMTing, they were doing it the least efficient way possible, because they were usually flying suboptimal ships and there were clearly human players at the helm because man did they squeal when they died. They weren't RMTers, they were just clueless empire pubbies, just like the rest of you. I'm sure these guys are no different. Indeed, no RMTer stay in low sec, most of them are in high sec for questing or farming as renters in null sec. And the main stream of the chinese players have already declare to against all the actions related to RMT Blade. led or maintained the defense fleet, with Talos Coalition, Black Star Alliance, and HUN Reloaded help; a notable contributor was Blade. Chinese corp Great Sage Equaling Heaven. That corp contains GÇ£water sky,GÇ¥ a Chinese player who was particularly helpful in illuminating Chinese server Serenity politics and practices. The corp claims to have a very strong stance against RMT and macros; usually IGÇÖd mock that sort of thing, but water sky seems pretty chill so letGÇÖs give them the benefit of the doubt.Quote from eve 24 news, 2010 Actually there are several Chinese RMTers in TQ, and we have several actions to against them to protect the profit of the whole chinese captains community. http://www.evenews24.com/2012/02/28/chinese-tear-farmers-strike-high-sec/We have killed a lot raven navy issues with totally the same fit, and verified they are high sec RMTers. It is a strong stereotype to Chinese players, actually we are flying in TQ for fun as well. The Chinese PVPers are always to be recognised as Japanese captains. lol We have an action last year to occupy a corner in syndicate and the surrounding alliances spend more than one week to know we are Chinese rather than Japanese. Currently, we set up our base in Stain and welcome t o come, friends.
Well done that man. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
266
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:25:00 -
[144] - Quote
I was following most of this, but ...
Mono Ethanolamine wrote:... The Chinese PVPers are always to be recognised as Japanese captains. lol
... just left me scratching my head. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:45:00 -
[145] - Quote
I care absolutely nothing about anything happening in china. Here where I live, chinee are costantly being arrested for pirating anything and everything, a lot of the time the same people more than once. Last week I read how they were grinding up dead baby flesh into powder to be sold as "medicine". Disgusting people, who have no idea how to flush a toilet or wash their hands in a public crapper either. I decided to avoid my local mall food court after I saw the cook scratching his balls...while cooking...... |
Orlacc
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
149
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:51:00 -
[146] - Quote
I stopped at "...had same IP as known RMTer.." |
Josef Djugashvilis
160
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:54:00 -
[147] - Quote
Doc Severide wrote:I care absolutely nothing about anything happening in china. Here where I live, chinee are costantly being arrested for pirating anything and everything, a lot of the time the same people more than once. Last week I read how they were grinding up dead baby flesh into powder to be sold as "medicine". Disgusting people, who have no idea how to flush a toilet or wash their hands in a public crapper either. I decided to avoid my local mall food court after I saw the cook scratching his balls...while cooking......
Perhaps he was cooking...King Prawn Balls With Sweet And Sour Dip You want fries with that? |
Selinate
864
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:00:00 -
[148] - Quote
Doc Severide wrote:I care absolutely nothing about anything happening in china. Here where I live, chinee are costantly being arrested for pirating anything and everything, a lot of the time the same people more than once. Last week I read how they were grinding up dead baby flesh into powder to be sold as "medicine". Disgusting people, who have no idea how to flush a toilet or wash their hands in a public crapper either. I decided to avoid my local mall food court after I saw the cook scratching his balls...while cooking......
Most of them don't actually have toilets in China, nor do they in Japan or Korea, but that's a bit of a different story since it has to do with just their way of life rather than bad sanitation. They do have a large pirating problem in China, but that has more to do with government regulation on legal modes of trade than the people themselves.... also we have people in the U.S. who own slaves still, very illegally. Does that make the whole population of us terrible? certainly not. Quit your xenophobia and racism.
On another note, I'd rather not have the Chinese players on the same server, simply because of the implications it would have with the Chinese government. What happens when they request our username/passwords in order to monitor their citizens? That or hacking of the servers to gain access to communications between Chinese and citizens of other countries.
Just my 2 cents. The Chinese people themselves aren't necessarily bad, but their government is a different story. |
Josef Djugashvilis
160
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:14:00 -
[149] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Doc Severide wrote:I care absolutely nothing about anything happening in china. Here where I live, chinee are costantly being arrested for pirating anything and everything, a lot of the time the same people more than once. Last week I read how they were grinding up dead baby flesh into powder to be sold as "medicine". Disgusting people, who have no idea how to flush a toilet or wash their hands in a public crapper either. I decided to avoid my local mall food court after I saw the cook scratching his balls...while cooking...... Most of them don't actually have toilets in China, nor do they in Japan or Korea, but that's a bit of a different story since it has to do with just their way of life rather than bad sanitation. They do have a large pirating problem in China, but that has more to do with government regulation on legal modes of trade than the people themselves.... also we have people in the U.S. who own slaves still, very illegally. Does that make the whole population of us terrible? certainly not. Quit your xenophobia and racism. On another note, I'd rather not have the Chinese players on the same server, simply because of the implications it would have with the Chinese government. What happens when they request our username/passwords in order to monitor their citizens? That or hacking of the servers to gain access to communications between Chinese and citizens of other countries. Just my 2 cents. The Chinese people themselves aren't necessarily bad, but their government is a different story.
I thought Homeland Security was an American thing?
You want fries with that? |
Selinate
864
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:17:00 -
[150] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Selinate wrote:Doc Severide wrote:I care absolutely nothing about anything happening in china. Here where I live, chinee are costantly being arrested for pirating anything and everything, a lot of the time the same people more than once. Last week I read how they were grinding up dead baby flesh into powder to be sold as "medicine". Disgusting people, who have no idea how to flush a toilet or wash their hands in a public crapper either. I decided to avoid my local mall food court after I saw the cook scratching his balls...while cooking...... Most of them don't actually have toilets in China, nor do they in Japan or Korea, but that's a bit of a different story since it has to do with just their way of life rather than bad sanitation. They do have a large pirating problem in China, but that has more to do with government regulation on legal modes of trade than the people themselves.... also we have people in the U.S. who own slaves still, very illegally. Does that make the whole population of us terrible? certainly not. Quit your xenophobia and racism. On another note, I'd rather not have the Chinese players on the same server, simply because of the implications it would have with the Chinese government. What happens when they request our username/passwords in order to monitor their citizens? That or hacking of the servers to gain access to communications between Chinese and citizens of other countries. Just my 2 cents. The Chinese people themselves aren't necessarily bad, but their government is a different story. I thought Homeland Security was an American thing?
Nice try. China's government is much worse when it comes to monitoring and controlling the public's online activity. There's a reason some countries have withdrawn out of China (google) and why they don't allow others (facebook). |
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Josef Djugashvilis
160
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:26:00 -
[151] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Selinate wrote:Doc Severide wrote:I care absolutely nothing about anything happening in china. Here where I live, chinee are costantly being arrested for pirating anything and everything, a lot of the time the same people more than once. Last week I read how they were grinding up dead baby flesh into powder to be sold as "medicine". Disgusting people, who have no idea how to flush a toilet or wash their hands in a public crapper either. I decided to avoid my local mall food court after I saw the cook scratching his balls...while cooking...... Most of them don't actually have toilets in China, nor do they in Japan or Korea, but that's a bit of a different story since it has to do with just their way of life rather than bad sanitation. They do have a large pirating problem in China, but that has more to do with government regulation on legal modes of trade than the people themselves.... also we have people in the U.S. who own slaves still, very illegally. Does that make the whole population of us terrible? certainly not. Quit your xenophobia and racism. On another note, I'd rather not have the Chinese players on the same server, simply because of the implications it would have with the Chinese government. What happens when they request our username/passwords in order to monitor their citizens? That or hacking of the servers to gain access to communications between Chinese and citizens of other countries. Just my 2 cents. The Chinese people themselves aren't necessarily bad, but their government is a different story. I thought Homeland Security was an American thing? Nice try. China's government is much worse when it comes to monitoring and controlling the public's online activity. There's a reason some countries have withdrawn out of China (google) and why they don't allow others (facebook).
The Chinese ruling power block (I am loathe to credit them with the description - government) have had since 1948 to get good at this sort of stuff.
Give Homeland Security time.
Good job J. E. Hoover is not still around. You want fries with that? |
Selinate
864
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:34:00 -
[152] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:The Chinese ruling power block (I am loathe to credit them with the description - government) have had since 1948 to get good at this sort of stuff. Give Homeland Security time. Good job J. E. Hoover is not still around.
No, if the department of homeland security every got as bad as the Chinese government is about this sort of thing, I'm pretty sure it would **** off a LOT of corporations and prominent, wealthy citizens. You know, the people who decide what direction the U.S. government takes.
I really doubt we'll ever have it that bad, the culture is just way too different. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
193
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:21:00 -
[153] - Quote
In a country where people hang by their thumbs in jail for wanting to pray a certain way this is your number one concern? EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Josef Djugashvilis
160
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:55:00 -
[154] - Quote
Graic Gabtar wrote:In a country where people hang by their thumbs in jail for wanting to pray a certain way this is your number one concern?
I have read all of this thread again, and I cannot see where anyone said this as their number one concern.
Perhaps you would be kind enough to point me to the relevant comment. You want fries with that? |
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
23
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Posted - 2012.05.14 23:35:00 -
[155] - Quote
Wodensun wrote:Xpaulusx wrote: All i can say is "Thank God for the Great Chinese Firewall" We have enough problems with RMTers as is, we dont need 20 thousand chinese farmboys on top of it. Thank you CCP Good call. ******. How would you feel when you cant visit CNN or Amnesty International. When your government desides for you what you can and cannot watch on the internet. Think before posting this drivel.
Ever heard of our Revolution?
If every citizen in China rose up against the Government... well.... the Government wouldn't last long without anybody producing anything. |
Selinate
864
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Posted - 2012.05.14 23:40:00 -
[156] - Quote
Shea Valerien wrote:
Ever heard of our Revolution?
If every citizen in China rose up against the Government... well.... the Government wouldn't last long without anybody producing anything.
Maybe, but last time the Chinese did that, it didn't go so well for the vast majority of the people.... |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Sarbane Oxley wrote:
The China's firewall (Chinese often say GFW - the Great FireWall) just simply check all the inbound /outbound data packages between foreign and Chinese node, if you are a IT guy you know this could cause horrible delay or even lose the packages.
For your second concern, the CCP has no liability to ban all the Chinese IPs because there is no law to restrict Chinese player acccessing overseas game servers.
But that doesn't stop the people's armed police from raiding the CCP Shanghi office, chinese law changes to suit the mood of whichever offical is tasked with enforcing it.
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Tenchi Sal
Dust Bunnies 514
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Selinate wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:The Chinese ruling power block (I am loathe to credit them with the description - government) have had since 1948 to get good at this sort of stuff. Give Homeland Security time. Good job J. E. Hoover is not still around. No, if the department of homeland security every got as bad as the Chinese government is about this sort of thing, I'm pretty sure it would **** off a LOT of corporations and prominent, wealthy citizens. You know, the people who decide what direction the U.S. government takes. I really doubt we'll ever have it that bad, the culture is just way too different.
you must not keep up with the times. FBI & Homeland security are in the process of getting permission from congress to hack into skype calls since they cant brute force their way in. Skype uses SSL, the same encryption used when you send private info such as credit card information over the net to a merchant.
they cant force their way in and skype won't let them have their way, so they are going through congress to force skype to let them monitor skype calls. this is the same tactic used by dictator governments such as Syria and China. that doesnt even include all the emails, text messages, instant messanger programs, facebook chats, etc that already have all their data monitored and flagged.
the ironic parts is that England had a similar system back before the american revolution. the english intercepted all mail and screened everything going back and forth from the new world (america) to england. after americans won their freedom in the revolution, one of the first things george washington did was abolish this. he made it clear it was a violation of privacy and the government should keep its nose out of peoples personal business. the times have changed, i bet hes rolling around in his grave thinking "wtf?"
America, China, Syria, etc. same crap. only difference is that americans have their heads so far up their TVs/Ipads/PCs, they really arent aware of whats been going on since some guy introduced the Patriot Act a while ago. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
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Posted - 2012.05.15 06:39:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:In a country where people hang by their thumbs in jail for wanting to pray a certain way this is your number one concern? I have read all of this thread again, and I cannot see where anyone said this as their number one concern. Perhaps you would be kind enough to point me to the relevant comment. **** I hate commie sympathizers. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:34:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:In a country where people hang by their thumbs in jail for wanting to pray a certain way this is your number one concern? I have read all of this thread again, and I cannot see where anyone said this as their number one concern. Perhaps you would be kind enough to point me to the relevant comment. **** I hate commie sympathizers.
You are welcome to your (semi educated) political view. But what does it have to do with anything I have posted? You want fries with that? |
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RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.15 10:07:00 -
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All PRC suspects are guilty until proven innocent. I don't understand the uproar over this, they suffer worse IRL, thought they'd be used to it by now. |
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