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OMGxxxOMG
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:03:00 -
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Hi.
I was wondering what ship would be best to use for solo killing Tengus and other ships running sites. (c1-c3) I am specifically curious about the tengus, since they seem to be the most common. I was thinking about a pilgrim. But can I actually tank sleepers long enough so they switch aggro back to the tengu? And arent the drones main target for the sleepers, lowering the DPS to the target even further? Untill now I have been using a Bomber. I was just w8ting for their noctis to arrive and than kill it. My apetite has gone up now and I wanna kill something more valuable. I hope someone can provide me with some good info.
Thanks in advance.
This is the fit I was thinking about.
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Sisters Core Probe Launcher Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Nosferatu II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I 10MN Afterburner II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I
PS: I would also be using full set of LG talisman implants |
Karmu Ivanostrov
Ride To Ruin
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:11:00 -
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Unless youll be using those Balmers on the Sleepers, theres really no point in them being there for Tengus... Missiles cant be TDed..
A Proteus maybe?? Go in, gank the hell out of that Tengu and hope you kill him before the Sleepers+Tengu get through your tank? Not really sure, but could be worth it |
Juan Sezole
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:13:00 -
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Karmu Ivanostrov wrote:Unless youll be using those Balmers on the Sleepers, theres really no point in them being there for Tengus... Missiles cant be TDed..
A Proteus maybe?? Go in, gank the hell out of that Tengu and hope you kill him before the Sleepers+Tengu get through your tank? Not really sure, but could be worth it
Depends on Tengus tank really. Use a Bhaalgorn? :P |
OMGxxxOMG
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:14:00 -
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Karmu Ivanostrov wrote:Unless youll be using those Balmers on the Sleepers, theres really no point in them being there for Tengus... Missiles cant be TDed..
A Proteus maybe?? Go in, gank the hell out of that Tengu and hope you kill him before the Sleepers+Tengu get through your tank? Not really sure, but could be worth it
I know about the trackin disruptors. But if I come across a sliepnir or legion or something like that, ill be crying for them. The fit isnt meant for killing Tengus ONLY. Its meant to kill everything solo (few exeptions). I am basically just asking if this fit is capable of killing a tengu in a site. :)
Isnt a proteus bad against tengu because of the tengu resists? |
Juan Sezole
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:16:00 -
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OMGxxxOMG wrote:Karmu Ivanostrov wrote:Unless youll be using those Balmers on the Sleepers, theres really no point in them being there for Tengus... Missiles cant be TDed..
A Proteus maybe?? Go in, gank the hell out of that Tengu and hope you kill him before the Sleepers+Tengu get through your tank? Not really sure, but could be worth it I know about the trackin disruptors. But if I come across a sliepnir or legion or something like that, ill be crying for them. The fit isnt meant for killing Tengus ONLY. Its meant to kill everything solo (few exeptions). I am basically just asking if this fit is capable of killing a tengu in a site. :) Isnt a proteus bad against tengu because of the tengu resists?
If you are counting on other factors in the site with them i.e. sleipnir/legion, it probably really isnt your best intest to go in solo. |
OMGxxxOMG
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:16:00 -
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Juan Sezole wrote:
Depends on Tengus tank really. Use a Bhaalgorn? :P
Right.. Because they are cheap AND they can sneek close without anyone noticing :P. |
OMGxxxOMG
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:18:00 -
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Juan Sezole wrote:OMGxxxOMG wrote:Karmu Ivanostrov wrote:Unless youll be using those Balmers on the Sleepers, theres really no point in them being there for Tengus... Missiles cant be TDed..
A Proteus maybe?? Go in, gank the hell out of that Tengu and hope you kill him before the Sleepers+Tengu get through your tank? Not really sure, but could be worth it I know about the trackin disruptors. But if I come across a sliepnir or legion or something like that, ill be crying for them. The fit isnt meant for killing Tengus ONLY. Its meant to kill everything solo (few exeptions). I am basically just asking if this fit is capable of killing a tengu in a site. :) Isnt a proteus bad against tengu because of the tengu resists? If you are counting on other factors in the site with them i.e. sleipnir/legion, it probably really isnt your best intest to go in solo.
I am not counting on them being in the same WH or something. I am counting on them in some other WH that ill be exploring. I dont plan to go back and refit after each WH I scan. |
Juan Sezole
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:18:00 -
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OMGxxxOMG wrote:Juan Sezole wrote:
Depends on Tengus tank really. Use a Bhaalgorn? :P
Right.. Because they are cheap AND they can sneek close without anyone noticing :P.
Bhaalgorns are what 1 a bil and some change? Pretty cheap imo. |
Karmu Ivanostrov
Ride To Ruin
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:22:00 -
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OMGxxxOMG wrote:Isnt a proteus bad against tengu because of the tengu resists?
I guess he would be omnitanked anyway so meh.. Just dont plan on turning hardeners off and should be fine.. But its quite a gamble ^^ |
Juan Sezole
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:24:00 -
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Karmu Ivanostrov wrote:OMGxxxOMG wrote:Isnt a proteus bad against tengu because of the tengu resists? I guess he would be omnitanked anyway so meh.. Just dont plan on turning hardeners off and should be fine.. But its quite a gamble ^^
In my experience its a 50/50 chance with a active tanker or a few LSE and hardners |
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Coolsmoke
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:06:00 -
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Solo C3 farmers are all active-tanked with 55%+ cap stability for anoms, and 65-70% for sites in order to fend off Sleeper neuting. Their actual ehp is fairly low; a typical Tengu will have 30-40k ehp against EM, or 20-25k if it's neuted sufficiently to lose its active hardeners
So your objectives are:
(Find the mark) Get into range and Point & Web Neut the active tank Bring ehp to 0 reasonably quickly while tanking the mark's dps plus any remaining Sleeper dps.
There is no single ship which can do all this well.
However, there is one that can do it all modestly, and that's a plated Legion with 150k buffer tank and two faction med neuts, using the parasitic subsys, which gives the neuts enough buff to break a cap stable tank up to about 68%.
The dps is anaemic (about 220), but after a Tengu has lost its active tank even four unbuffed Heavy Pulses can chew through its ehp pretty quickly with Conflag.
Generally:
Ideally you want to hit your target in the last wave of an anomaly, when Sleeper dps isn't so high you might have to warp off yourself, but is sufficient to help your own dps when the Sleepers are focussed on your target. One BS and a couple of cruisers is about right.
An experienced Tengu farmer is almost always aligned and on the move. If he appears to have a prop mod, he'll have a shiny tank to compensate for the midslot and will run about a bit. If he's slowboating and spitting missiles out to 90k, he's quite likely to be a cheaper T2 fit and fully aligned at all times. You'll need to try to bump/decloak because he will be in warp faster than you can lock him otherwise.
Basically it's pretty hit & miss catching and killing solo Tengu by yourself. If he's crap/asleep/badly fitted - which of course, can be fairly common - your odds are good. But the higher value the mark, generally the better the pilot.
To really improve the odds, find a corpie. Fit him out with a Nemesis with two Sensor Damps & scan res damp scripts, long point & AB. Get this ship and your (cloaky) dps boat into point range (Legion still good here, since you can up the dps because you won't need that 150k buffer). As soon as the last sleeper dies, decloak the bomber and point the Tengu, and slap the damps on him. Your dps boat will have around 20 secs to decloak & repoint before the Tengu can lock the bomber.
There's other useful stuff, but I'm tired, I can't remember :s
Edit: Yeah, if you find a solo Tengu running anoms, look for an anom off d-scan from him. Warp a HIC there and cloak it up at the warpin point. Nuff said:) |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
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Posted - 2012.05.06 00:26:00 -
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Best way is to use two chars, one is the tackler and neuter and the other hits hard. For example, Pilgrim + any BC.
Most PvE Tengus can probably be killed with one ship though, but only if it specializes on Tengus. I'd use a Pilgrim that tanks specifically against kinetic damage. Typical Tengus get a bonus only on kinetic missiles so virtually all Tengus will use those. There is no reason for the victim to switch ammo... and if at one point he realizes that he doesn't do as much damage as he should and switches, it will be too late and the switch also costs 10 seconds. So, tackle him, tank his damage and kill him with your ~230 dps hammerheads.
Only ship that is probably better for this is another T3, but I like to kill things with ships that are less expensive than that what I'm killing.
And don't attack when there are dangerous sleepers left. Best time to attack is at the end of first or second wave when only 1-2 cruisers or some frigs are left.They don't do much damage and the victim can't kill them fast enough during the fight to trigger the next wave. Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers. CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2012.05.06 02:59:00 -
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most decently implanted lvl 4/5 solo c3 tengus will have about 550 unavoidable dps and a 600-700 tank running at 60%. i do and its a crappy t2 fit. Its going to be REAL tough to bring down solo. Afcourse something obnoxious like a neut megathron would absolutely shred the thing but theres no way to get that close enough.
Your best bet for solo and most likely only option is a loki. fit a med neut in the high and web+scram. youll get about 400 EM dps and shut his tank off eventually |
Svodola Darkfury
Born-2-Kill Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:37:00 -
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Unimaginative Guy wrote:most decently implanted lvl 4/5 solo c3 tengus will have about 550 unavoidable dps and a 600-700 tank running at 60%. i do and its a crappy t2 fit. Its going to be REAL tough to bring down solo. Afcourse something obnoxious like a neut megathron would absolutely shred the thing but theres no way to get that close enough.
Your best bet for solo and most likely only option is a loki. fit a med neut in the high and web+scram. youll get about 400 EM dps and shut his tank off eventually
Like he said, yes you can neut them out in a minute or a minute and 30 seconds, but you're going to be dead long before then unless you've got one hell of a buffer or a decent tank. As several people have pointed out, you're really better off going with two ships (a friend or an alt). Failing that, you could try using Ec-300 or ec-600 jammer drones to jam out the tengu while you neut, but it's not a guaranteed jam.
If you can squeak out 2 unstable power fluctuators you're going to break most tengu cap in about a minute (some will be harder fit but their tank will also be lighter for it). According to EFT with 5 Vespa EC-600s you'll have a 19.7% chance to jam them, which means sometime in the minute you're likely to get ONE cycle off. I'm not sure you can get a Pilgrim enough buffer to tank a Tengu for that long.
Svo. |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:30:00 -
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Only time I have lost a tengu in the wh is when I was tackled by a cloaky T3 and then neuted to death by a Bhalg. You could probably do it with a curse or neuting T3 also for small wh's. I was jumped by a Proteus once, but managed to tank him till he warped off, didn't have a scram so couldn't stop him and he could not kill me so was a very boring 2 or so min dance around each other. If he would have had a neut.. I am sure it would have ended differently. Missile enhancers.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1235061& |
Myz Toyou
Bite Me inc Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.07 00:54:00 -
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Svodola Darkfury wrote:Unimaginative Guy wrote:most decently implanted lvl 4/5 solo c3 tengus will have about 550 unavoidable dps and a 600-700 tank running at 60%. i do and its a crappy t2 fit. Its going to be REAL tough to bring down solo. Afcourse something obnoxious like a neut megathron would absolutely shred the thing but theres no way to get that close enough.
Your best bet for solo and most likely only option is a loki. fit a med neut in the high and web+scram. youll get about 400 EM dps and shut his tank off eventually Like he said, yes you can neut them out in a minute or a minute and 30 seconds, but you're going to be dead long before then unless you've got one hell of a buffer or a decent tank. As several people have pointed out, you're really better off going with two ships (a friend or an alt). Failing that, you could try using Ec-300 or ec-600 jammer drones to jam out the tengu while you neut, but it's not a guaranteed jam.
If you can squeak out 2 unstable power fluctuators you're going to break most tengu cap in about a minute (some will be harder fit but their tank will also be lighter for it). According to EFT with 5 Vespa EC-600s you'll have a 19.7% chance to jam them, which means sometime in the minute you're likely to get ONE cycle off. I'm not sure you can get a Pilgrim enough buffer to tank a Tengu for that long.Svo.
The remaining Sleepers will love him for launching ECM drones, GL with that, cos then he has Sleepers + Tengu to tank.
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