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Shurrurru
Jesstival
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Posted - 2009.04.20 00:26:00 -
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Will I get in trouble for typing in, say, Chinese on Local?
I understand there's a channel specifically for writing in Chinese but it's kind of dead on account of the fact that most of the people from China play on Serenity :(
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Taedrin
Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.20 00:28:00 -
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I've seen plenty of russian and german in local, and they don't seem to get banned. I believe only the forums are english only (and perhaps the official help channels?)
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.20 00:31:00 -
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Yeah, talk as you want where you want.
Expect some ignorant ******* who barely speaks english himself to jump on your case, though. That said, you ain't breaking any rules, and if he goes uber racist, you can actually report his dumb ass.
I'm not all about the telling on people, but I ****ing hate racist trash. Human beings are human beings, no less, no more.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.20 00:32:00 -
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Course, if he starts insulting you because your Matari (black, slave, trash hauler, duct tape monkey), that's okay. That's in character. In character racism is good.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.04.20 00:40:00 -
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Message of the day of the (rookie) help channel specifically state that they are english only. Inferring from that other channels are not english only by default.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.20 01:09:00 -
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You can speak any language whenever you want with the exception of the specific language channels and rookie channel.
Anyone telling you you cannot speak Chinese/Russian/Esper-goddamn-ranto in local is a moron and needs to be reported.
In game racism is good however :)
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GM Horse
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Posted - 2009.04.20 01:43:00 -
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Players are free to speak whatever languages they want in all public channels.
If a channel is restricted to certain languages, the MOTD will clearly state so. Rookie Help and Help, for instance, are English only, whereas Hilfe is German only. There are some others, but those three spring to mind.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.20 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: GM Horse Players are free to speak whatever languages they want in all public channels.
If a channel is restricted to certain languages, the MOTD will clearly state so. Rookie Help and Help, for instance, are English only, whereas Hilfe is German only. There are some others, but those three spring to mind.
You did not comment on how good in-character racism is. I petition to have this rectified, but hold no grudge.
I mean, we can't all be as good looking as the south end of a north bound Caldari equestrian ...
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Sile Suirghiche
Gaidhlig Technology
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Posted - 2009.04.20 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Course, if he starts insulting you because your Matari (black, slave, trash hauler, duct tape monkey), that's okay. That's in character. In character racism is good.
That is not racism, it is Divine Law.
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faxtarious
Minmatar Kai-Zen inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.20 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Course, if he starts insulting you because your Matari (black, slave, trash hauler, duct tape monkey), that's okay. That's in character. In character racism is good.
the last douche who called me that felt how L Rep Fleet EMP feels on a 100 mill isk cargo rigged badger. The pour guy is probably scared of duck tape now ;)
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.20 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: faxtarious
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Course, if he starts insulting you because your Matari (black, slave, trash hauler, duct tape monkey), that's okay. That's in character. In character racism is good.
the last douche who called me that felt how L Rep Fleet EMP feels on a 100 mill isk cargo rigged badger. The pour guy is probably scared of duck tape now ;)
That's a worthy fear. I know I ain't brave enough to try to hold my trans-system spaceship together with it ...
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Trustworthy Joe
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Posted - 2009.04.20 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: GM Horse Players are free to speak whatever languages they want in all public channels.
If a channel is restricted to certain languages, the MOTD will clearly state so. Rookie Help and Help, for instance, are English only, whereas Hilfe is German only. There are some others, but those three spring to mind.
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faxtarious
Minmatar Kai-Zen inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.20 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Originally by: faxtarious
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Course, if he starts insulting you because your Matari (black, slave, trash hauler, duct tape monkey), that's okay. That's in character. In character racism is good.
the last douche who called me that felt how L Rep Fleet EMP feels on a 100 mill isk cargo rigged badger. The pour guy is probably scared of duck tape now ;)
That's a worthy fear. I know I ain't brave enough to try to hold my trans-system spaceship together with it ...
Nope...but it sure as hell can help people keep their mouth shut when ever they have that itch in the back of their throat to say stupid things like that... and if the duck tape doesn't work... they better be docked up in station because suicide ganking ain't getting old
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Kai Lae
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.20 03:38:00 -
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As noted, there aren't any. Matter of fact, there are some areas where english isn't the correct language. For instance, when in majesta space for example, it really helps to know german, otherwise few people will understand you. In deklein, I hope you speak french because that's what TCF uses; on joint ops with them all TS commands are repeated by a english speaker in french to the rest of their pilots because many can't understand english very well.
So in general, when in rome, do as the romans do.
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Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.20 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Shurrurru Will I get in trouble for typing in, say, Chinese on Local?
I understand there's a channel specifically for writing in Chinese but it's kind of dead on account of the fact that most of the people from China play on Serenity :(
Not really, the chinese chat usually averages 20-40 people at all times. I always find someone speaking there. I wish i could install the IME though.
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Verx Interis
Amarr Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.04.20 03:41:00 -
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I've been in Insmother a number of times lately.
I can say with utmost confidence that there is no problem with speaking non-english in local, or at the very least speaking Russian in local. ---- Logins required for this post: 984703 |
Joss Sparq
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.20 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: GM Horse Players are free to speak whatever languages they want in all public channels.
This! (Obviously because it comes from a GM)
However,
I would infer that players are also free to suggest people take their non-english Local (and so on) conversation to channels which are language specific, since they're more likely to find both information and other non-English speakers there which and whom they can understand more easily - I'm sure I've heard of channels which exist for certain subjects which are intended specifically for use of languages other than English.
Thought of course it helps if those suggestions also point in the right direction, rather than outright telling non-English speakers to **** off to their own channel ...
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.20 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Shurrurru Will I get in trouble for typing in, say, Chinese on Local?
I understand there's a channel specifically for writing in Chinese but it's kind of dead on account of the fact that most of the people from China play on Serenity :(
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Aurora Nyx
Caldari Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.04.20 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: GM Horse Players are free to speak whatever languages they want in all public channels.
This! (Obviously because it comes from a GM)
However,
I would infer that players are also free to suggest people take their non-english Local (and so on) conversation to channels which are language specific, since they're more likely to find both information and other non-English speakers there which and whom they can understand more easily - I'm sure I've heard of channels which exist for certain subjects which are intended specifically for use of languages other than English.
Thought of course it helps if those suggestions also point in the right direction, rather than outright telling non-English speakers to **** off to their own channel ...
No. You are still telling people to push other languages to their own room, wether you use swear words or not. Your way is more polite but has the exact same sentiment: "Speak English in local", and i'm afraid it's unnaceptable. If there is a "conversation" in local then guess what, they can already understand each other, so no need to "seek help and understanding" form a different channel.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.20 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Aurora Nyx
Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: GM Horse Players are free to speak whatever languages they want in all public channels.
This! (Obviously because it comes from a GM)
However,
I would infer that players are also free to suggest people take their non-english Local (and so on) conversation to channels which are language specific, since they're more likely to find both information and other non-English speakers there which and whom they can understand more easily - I'm sure I've heard of channels which exist for certain subjects which are intended specifically for use of languages other than English.
Thought of course it helps if those suggestions also point in the right direction, rather than outright telling non-English speakers to **** off to their own channel ...
No. You are still telling people to push other languages to their own room, wether you use swear words or not. Your way is more polite but has the exact same sentiment: "Speak English in local", and i'm afraid it's unnaceptable. If there is a "conversation" in local then guess what, they can already understand each other, so no need to "seek help and understanding" form a different channel.
Agreed. I see people every day who feel no qualms about speaking leetspeak in local, despite the fact that many players are too old to even possibly comprehend what they view as gibberish.
In the same light, I'm American, so English is more or less a second language to me anyhow. I've yet to see someone tell ME to go talk somewhere else, despite quite a few aussies and brits not having a ****ing clue what I'm talking about ...
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Shenko Minara
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Posted - 2009.04.20 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: GM Horse Players are free to speak whatever languages they want in all public channels.
If a channel is restricted to certain languages, the MOTD will clearly state so. Rookie Help and Help, for instance, are English only, whereas Hilfe is German only. There are some others, but those three spring to mind.
Please explain how I got a gag for chatting in Binary. XD -- 99% of Eve-o posters should stop posting. This probably includes me, but definitely includes you. |
Arous Drephius
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.04.20 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: GM Horse Players are free to speak whatever languages they want in all public channels.
If a channel is restricted to certain languages, the MOTD will clearly state so. Rookie Help and Help, for instance, are English only, whereas Hilfe is German only. There are some others, but those three spring to mind.
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Face, your dude!
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.20 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Agreed. I see people every day who feel no qualms about speaking leetspeak in local, despite the fact that many players are too old to even possibly comprehend what they view as gibberish.
Considering leetspeak has been around since the early 90s?
We understand it fine, we're just farkin' sick of seeing it. 1337 sp34k aND TyPiNG LyKE THiS is old... stop doing it, nubs, omg pwnt ur face!
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Joss Sparq
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.20 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aurora Nyx & Friend No. You are still telling people to push other languages to their own room, wether you use swear words or not. Your way is more polite but has the exact same sentiment: "Speak English in local", and i'm afraid it's unnaceptable. If there is a "conversation" in local then guess what, they can already understand each other, so no need to "seek help and understanding" form a different channel.
Actually my sentiment is that if person A is aware of a channel that caters to a specific language, they should feel comfortable informing person B - who clearly prefers said specific language - since EVE (being an MMO) places a lot of importance on team play and social networking, which is usually more efficient when you understand each other and are in the one place.
Just because two people are speaking the same language doesn't necessarily mean they're aware of a resource designed for them.
And that is better than telling people to **** off, which (unfortunately) is what one usually observes instead.
What I'm saying is that just because you're different doesn't mean people have to like it, but at the same time people should still be able to try to help each other without being afraid of being branded a racist.
Especially when that help is focused on actually beating the language barrier by putting non-English speakers in touch with each other in a predominantly English language centric game - granted, not forgetting the German client.
Besides, if they're having an in-depth conversation (in English or not) they'd be better off using the private chat function anyway, once they've established contact - but then anyone should be able to work out the advantages of that for themselves.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.20 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Aurora Nyx & Friend No. You are still telling people to push other languages to their own room, wether you use swear words or not. Your way is more polite but has the exact same sentiment: "Speak English in local", and i'm afraid it's unnaceptable. If there is a "conversation" in local then guess what, they can already understand each other, so no need to "seek help and understanding" form a different channel.
Actually my sentiment is that if person A is aware of a channel that caters to a specific language, they should feel comfortable informing person B - who clearly prefers said specific language - since EVE (being an MMO) places a lot of importance on team play and social networking, which is usually more efficient when you understand each other and are in the one place.
Just because two people are speaking the same language doesn't necessarily mean they're aware of a resource designed for them.
And that is better than telling people to **** off, which (unfortunately) is what one usually observes instead.
What I'm saying is that just because you're different doesn't mean people have to like it, but at the same time people should still be able to try to help each other without being afraid of being branded a racist.
Especially when that help is focused on actually beating the language barrier by putting non-English speakers in touch with each other in a predominantly English language centric game - granted, not forgetting the German client.
Besides, if they're having an in-depth conversation (in English or not) they'd be better off using the private chat function anyway, once they've established contact - but then anyone should be able to work out the advantages of that for themselves.
If you come into a public channel speaking a language I don't understand, the polite thing for me to do is ignore it. If it comes out that you ask me if there are others who talk like you, I'll point you in the right direction. But I'm not going to just point away because your speaking differently. You ahve a right to the channel, same as me.
Course, I am also the type of person who sparks up roleplay in random channels (including local), and often have funny people tell me to go somewhere else. **** em. I've as much right to the channel as anyone else, spammers and channel nasi's included. They can spout off and get ignored, or they can be polite and talk around me, no bother.
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The Wounded
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.04.20 09:14:00 -
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foreign from who's perspective?
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Joss Sparq
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.20 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon If you come into a public channel speaking a language I don't understand, the polite thing for me to do is ignore it. If it comes out that you ask me if there are others who talk like you, I'll point you in the right direction. But I'm not going to just point away because your speaking differently. You ahve a right to the channel, same as me.
"Like, whatever!"
I've tried to clarify that I'm not demanding people who speak a different language - one other than English - be "pointed away" from (insert location) when spotted.
I have only spoken up for myself and said quite reasonably that as someone who has English as a "first language" (I doubt my rusty highschool French even qualifies as a second language anymore) and as someone who is playing a game which appears to be predominantly English language based for many players, I think I have just as much of a right to direct people to resources they can use as they have the right to talk in the same channel as me - barring the exceptions noted by the Moderator.
At the same time, I'm not going to permit the implication that I'm some sort of "bad guy" in the scenario when I'm citing what is only an attempt to help another player, perhaps even a player at something of a disadvantage compared to me due to the language barrier. Just because I prefer to speak English should not exclude me from disseminating information about resources for people who don't speak or understand English so well.
Also, I shouldn't need to know the level of knowledge about those resources before I initiate communication with them. In fact, being "polite" (as you put it) and ignoring them seems to defeat the point of us being in the same channel in the first place.
Essentially, just because someone tells someone about another channel doesn't automatically equate telling the person to go there instead - especially since that is for the person being given the information to decide for themselves, anyway. Directing them to go is probably a laughably pointless exercise, on that basis.
I'm not going to bother trying to explain it any further to you. As for your second paragraph, I'll pass commenting on your asserting your intent to be just as deliberately annoying to other people as you find them to be.
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KhaniKirai
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Posted - 2009.04.20 10:54:00 -
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There is even an ENGLISH language channel, but nobody uses it???
So, conclusion its some of the native english, that make the mistake and start topics here, that everyone should talk english in local/public channels.
Well, use the language channel, they made for you :D
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.04.20 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon If you come into a public channel speaking a language I don't understand, the polite thing for me to do is ignore it. If it comes out that you ask me if there are others who talk like you, I'll point you in the right direction. But I'm not going to just point away because your speaking differently. You ahve a right to the channel, same as me.
"Like, whatever!"
I've tried to clarify that I'm not demanding people who speak a different language - one other than English - be "pointed away" from (insert location) when spotted.
I have only spoken up for myself and said quite reasonably that as someone who has English as a "first language" (I doubt my rusty highschool French even qualifies as a second language anymore) and as someone who is playing a game which appears to be predominantly English language based for many players, I think I have just as much of a right to direct people to resources they can use as they have the right to talk in the same channel as me - barring the exceptions noted by the Moderator.
At the same time, I'm not going to permit the implication that I'm some sort of "bad guy" in the scenario when I'm citing what is only an attempt to help another player, perhaps even a player at something of a disadvantage compared to me due to the language barrier. Just because I prefer to speak English should not exclude me from disseminating information about resources for people who don't speak or understand English so well.
Also, I shouldn't need to know the level of knowledge about those resources before I initiate communication with them. In fact, being "polite" (as you put it) and ignoring them seems to defeat the point of us being in the same channel in the first place.
Essentially, just because someone tells someone about another channel doesn't automatically equate telling the person to go there instead - especially since that is for the person being given the information to decide for themselves, anyway. Directing them to go is probably a laughably pointless exercise, on that basis.
I'm not going to bother trying to explain it any further to you. As for your second paragraph, I'll pass commenting on your asserting your intent to be just as deliberately annoying to other people as you find them to be.
the point you seem to be missing is that what you suggest, even for the best intentions, can very easily be considered an insult.
See, im Dutch, and this hypothetical situation never really happens but when I meet another Dutch player i know some place in the game we might exchange some words, in Dutch. This would then be for reasons of 'hey look, another Dutch player'. You subsequently coming along and 'politely' pointing out that there is a channel for our language, will guaranteed make me red in the face, and I don't mean from embarrassment. Who do you think you are? Why would you assume im an idiot who doesnt know that? And why the hell would I open another channel to talk to this guy with the public local channel right there? are questions that WILL come to mind.
You will find that my (and many others) autonomous reaction to your 'friendliness' will not be in the positive. Do you accept 'free advice' from strangers in the street? Especially on things as fundamental as your language?
You might scold me for that viewpoint about insult, you might genuinely want to help people, bear in mind that does not make the insult less. But that feeling of disagreement you are feeling might be very close to what you do to people while 'hlping' them. -----
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