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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:55:00 -
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Aron Croup wrote:I'm not against high-sec PVP, ganking and griefing in general, but I do think the numbers merit some attention from CCP, and a possible boost to the jumpfreighter and the hulk, to a level where they can operate in hisec without risk.
just had to fix that for you "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
766
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:56:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Don't try and reason with these people Eternum.
I know that you can't, but I find it gratifying to remind them that we know exactly what is going on. And so does CCP most likely.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:56:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Don't try and reason with these people Eternum.
Yeah, don't. We actually have experience with the subject. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:58:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote: I'll relocate back over the other side of Deklein again. I guarantee you'll get tired of jumping 15-20 jumps at a time before I will get tired of scooping up all my hulks and cynoing out.
To be honest sounds like we need to have an argument with CCP to massively gut capital and jump bridge mobility as you make it sound like it's impossible to impact mining/economy in 0.0.
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:58:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Fail. Just one or two Cov cyno alts. Running bubbles is easy yo, and cov ships are dirt cheap. And when you finally show up, I'll relocate back over the other side of Deklein again. I guarantee you'll get tired of jumping 15-20 jumps at a time before I will get tired of scooping up all my hulks and cynoing out. Hell, I'm tempted to do this just to make you waste your time.
I sure as hell won't, because when your on the move you are not mining and that means that I am succeeding.
Remember, I would only be doing this because I am a drunken wizard hat wearing meta gamer who takes EVE far to seriously to be healthy. I think spaceships are serious business, and all I need is one or two scout toons with my kind of dedication to hot drop an army of cov alts anywhere in your region. I will follow you.
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Bane Necran
460
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:58:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Don't try and reason with these people Eternum. I know that you can't, but I find it gratifying to remind them that we know exactly what is going on. And so does CCP most likely
I think CCP is drinking their kool-aid, sadly.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:58:00 -
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also please feel free to try your blackops concept in Deklein "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:59:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: I'll relocate back over the other side of Deklein again. I guarantee you'll get tired of jumping 15-20 jumps at a time before I will get tired of scooping up all my hulks and cynoing out.
To be honest sounds like we need to have an argument with CCP to massively gut capital and jump bridge mobility as you make it sound like it's impossible to impact mining/economy in 0.0.
It's plenty possible, you might have to team up to do it though. I know that concept is anathema to you though. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:59:00 -
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Andski wrote:also please feel free to try your blackops concept in Deklein
I would not half to do it personally, anyone who is organized enough could (and would) stab at you in this way, if you did not secure your assets through other means.
And that is why you secure your assets through other means, regardless of how much you pretend not to do so.
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:01:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: Remember, I would only be doing this because I am a drunken wizard hat wearing meta gamer who takes EVE far to seriously to be healthy. I think spaceships are serious business, and all I need is one or two scout toons with my kind of dedication to hot drop an army of cov alts anywhere in your region. I will follow you.
Our miners are in Deklein, come get them. |
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:01:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: Remember, I would only be doing this because I am a drunken wizard hat wearing meta gamer who takes EVE far to seriously to be healthy. I think spaceships are serious business, and all I need is one or two scout toons with my kind of dedication to hot drop an army of cov alts anywhere in your region. I will follow you.
Our miners are in Deklein, come get them.
Mining high ends.
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:02:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: Remember, I would only be doing this because I am a drunken wizard hat wearing meta gamer who takes EVE far to seriously to be healthy. I think spaceships are serious business, and all I need is one or two scout toons with my kind of dedication to hot drop an army of cov alts anywhere in your region. I will follow you.
Our miners are in Deklein, come get them. Mining high ends.
Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:02:00 -
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I realize that you don't understand things but literally nobody in the game operates like that you nutjob "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:03:00 -
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also the massive hole in your logic, the idea that we don't mine lowends in nullsec because we're constantly permacamped (lol), is that we wouldn't mine high-ends either if that was the case
good god you really need to get back to the drawing board on your next conspiracy theory "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:04:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on.
I can't help but notice how all counter arguments regarding how "Empire botters are not Null Sec mining alt botters" has completely melted away to "come at me bra".
Whelp. I just wanted you to know, that we know, and your not as smart as you think that you are. It is just that CCP does not give a ****, and so meta gaming continues on. But when you come out and say that most of the bots that were banned were in empire, I will come out and tell you exactly why that is.
Have a nice day... probie
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:04:00 -
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oh wait, no, our enemies would only disrupt our supercapital production by interdicting the mining of low-ends, but mining high-ends is not worth the trouble "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:05:00 -
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buuuut it'd make more sense for our enemies to disrupt our mining of high-ends, which is restricted to a handful of systems, rather than our mining of low-ends, which is completely unrestricted "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:06:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on. I can't help but notice how all counter arguments regarding how "Empire botters are not Null Sec mining alt botters" has completely melted away to "come at me bra". Whelp. I just wanted you to know, that we know, and your not as smart as you think that you are. It is just that CCP does not give a ****, and so meta gaming continues on. But when you come out and say that most of the bots that were banned were in empire, I will come out and tell you exactly why that is. Have a nice day... probie
Of course that's what it's going to boil down to. You claim that somehow you can make life difficult for 0.0 miners to the point where they would mine trit in empire.
Of course you're going to have to backup your claims eventually. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:07:00 -
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Andski wrote:also the massive hole in your logic, the idea that we don't mine lowends in nullsec because we're constantly permacamped (lol), is that we wouldn't mine high-ends either if that was the case
good god you really need to get back to the drawing board on your next conspiracy theory
You require much less time mining high ends, that you need less of, in fleets boosted by rorqs. That factors into the army of empire bots mining low ends, and ultimately you save an incredible amount of hassle and time.
It is far easier to protect a mining op for the amount of time it takes to pull all the high ends you need, then it is to do the same for all the high ends and low ends. It is the difference between mining all day, every day, and doing more normal mining ops with a definitive beginning and an end.
You are still not going to fool anyone.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:08:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:You require much less time mining high ends, that you need less of, in fleets boosted by rorqs. That factors into the army of empire bots mining low ends, and ultimately you save an incredible amount of hassle and time.
It is far easier to protect a mining op for the amount of time it takes to pull all the high ends you need, then it is to do the same for all the high ends and low ends. It is the difference between mining all day, every day, and doing more normal mining ops with a definitive beginning and an end.
You are not fooling anyone.
one mining op doesn't provide the high-ends needed for any industrial project of substance
wow i just blew another massive hole in your horrible logic "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:08:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:also the massive hole in your logic, the idea that we don't mine lowends in nullsec because we're constantly permacamped (lol), is that we wouldn't mine high-ends either if that was the case
good god you really need to get back to the drawing board on your next conspiracy theory You require much less time mining high ends, that you need less of, in fleets boosted by rorqs. That factors into the army of empire bots mining low ends, and ultimately you save an incredible amount of hassle and time.
Ok, so tell me why this army of bots (ugh, you are disgusting) wouldn't be running missions or ratting for isk which you could use to buy the trit you need.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
406
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:09:00 -
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Andski wrote:The problem is that they choose to be defenseless. Fit a mediocre tank and pack a set of medium ECM drones and your chances of survival are that much better. I've been messing in EFT, and I can't get a hulk tank much above 28/29K (best case @ all V's). Drones won't help at all (with multiple enemies). I didn't try going faction/deadspace modules - but that's kinda silly on a Hulk (imho).
Fully tanked, maybe they can get away after concord hits - and it would take more people to do - but didn't you guys just prove in Jita that regardless of what you have, or how you tank it, a determined foe can alpha pretty much any ship in space?
I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped...
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:10:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Ok, so tell me why this army of bots (ugh, you are disgusting) wouldn't be running missions or ratting for isk which you could use to buy the trit you need.
let me rephrase it for the pubbie
why wouldn't this bot army be doing far more profitable things to generate the ISK needed to buy low-ends straight off the market, en masse, in jita, along with sparing everybody a massive logistical hassle "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:10:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Of course that's what it's going to boil down to. You claim that somehow you can make life difficult for 0.0 miners to the point where they would mine trit in empire and that is ridiculous.
Of course you're going to have to backup your claims eventually.
I used myself as an example, but anyone could and would do it if you gave them the opportunity to do so. I got out of the black ops thing a while ago, and I really couldn't give less of a **** about what you meta gamers do in the ass end of space, playing simon says in lagy fleets and pretending taht you are somehow "hard" and "spymasters" in RL because of it.
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:11:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped...
So logically the idea would be that you're safest mining where they won't go. Like low-sec. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:11:00 -
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Andski wrote: why wouldn't this bot army be doing far more profitable things to generate the ISK needed to buy low-ends straight off the market, en masse, in jita, along with sparing everybody a massive logistical hassle
I thought the argument was only bots were doing the mining in the first place so who'd you buy the minerals of if nobody human mines?
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:12:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Of course that's what it's going to boil down to. You claim that somehow you can make life difficult for 0.0 miners to the point where they would mine trit in empire and that is ridiculous.
Of course you're going to have to backup your claims eventually.
I used myself as an example, but anyone could and would do it if you gave them the opportunity to do so. I got out of the black ops thing a while ago, and I really couldn't give less of a **** about what you meta gamers do in the ass end of space, playing simon says in lagy fleets and pretending taht you are somehow "hard" and "spymasters" in RL because of it.
Everyone -does- have the opportunity to do so. We have miners in Deklein right now waiting for people to come kill them. Crazy ******* that they are, we just can't teach them.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:12:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Andski wrote:The problem is that they choose to be defenseless. Fit a mediocre tank and pack a set of medium ECM drones and your chances of survival are that much better. I've been messing in EFT, and I can't get a hulk tank much above 28/29K (best case @ all V's). Drones won't help at all (with multiple enemies). I didn't try going faction/deadspace modules - but that's kinda silly on a Hulk (imho). Fully tanked, maybe they can get away after concord hits - and it would take more people to do - but didn't you guys just prove in Jita that regardless of what you have, or how you tank it, a determined foe can alpha pretty much any ship in space? I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped...
if you're getting popped by "multiple enemies" that kinda blows the whole "lone catalyst" thing out of the water now doesn't it "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Ok, so tell me why this army of bots (ugh, you are disgusting) wouldn't be running missions or ratting for isk which you could use to buy the trit you need. let me rephrase it for the pubbie why wouldn't this bot army be doing far more profitable things to generate the ISK needed to buy low-ends straight off the market, en masse, in jita, along with sparing everybody a massive logistical hassle
So what your saying is, there are no mining bots in EVE Online because any botter with half sense would make their bot army do something more profitable?
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Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:12:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped... So logically the idea would be that you're safest mining where they won't go. Like low-sec.
Why wouldn't gankers in throw away shipalts go to lowsec ? |
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