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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:13:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:I can't fit a battleship tank on a hulk so tanking a hulk is pointless
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:14:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on. I can't help but notice how all counter arguments regarding how "Empire botters are not Null Sec mining alt botters" has completely melted away to "come at me bra". Whelp. I just wanted you to know, that we know, and your not as smart as you think that you are. It is just that CCP does not give a ****, and so meta gaming continues on. But when you come out and say that most of the bots that were banned were in empire, I will come out and tell you exactly why that is. Have a nice day... probie
Still this, just saying.
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:14:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped... So logically the idea would be that you're safest mining where they won't go. Like low-sec. Why wouldn't gankers in throw away shipalts go to lowsec ?
Because in low sec they could drop carriers on you instead.
Serious answer because you might be genuinely interested: Find an empty low-sec system (there are hundreds), any time someone comes in warp to a nearby safe spot. If they drop probes, dock up.
You might lose a few minutes an hour, but it's cheaper than replacing your hulk. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:14:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:So what your saying is, there are no mining bots in EVE Online because any botter with half sense would make their bot army do something more profitable?
no, people actually macromine
however, there is literally no reason for nullsec residents to macromine in hisec with alts "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:15:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Andski wrote: why wouldn't this bot army be doing far more profitable things to generate the ISK needed to buy low-ends straight off the market, en masse, in jita, along with sparing everybody a massive logistical hassle
I thought the argument was only bots were doing the mining in the first place so who'd you buy the minerals of if nobody human mines? That's not my argument, if the price of trit goes up people will mine it any way they can. Bring back the mining rohk.
Well prices should go up as massively beyond where it is currently, mining is boring and anything that boring should be rewarded as it's hurting your mind. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:16:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on. I can't help but notice how all counter arguments regarding how "Empire botters are not Null Sec mining alt botters" has completely melted away to "come at me bra". Whelp. I just wanted you to know, that we know, and your not as smart as you think that you are. It is just that CCP does not give a ****, and so meta gaming continues on. But when you come out and say that most of the bots that were banned were in empire, I will come out and tell you exactly why that is. Have a nice day... probie Still this, just saying.
Most of the bots banned were in empire because you can't bot mine in 0.0 in total safety. (Well I guess you can't in empire anymore either, )
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:17:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Most of the bots banned were in empire because you can't bot mine in 0.0 in total safety. (Well I guess you can't in empire anymore either, )
no you see people who have mains in hisec don't bot, they have too much ehonour for that "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:18:00 -
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Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So what your saying is, there are no mining bots in EVE Online because any botter with half sense would make their bot army do something more profitable? no, people actually macromine however, there is literally no reason for nullsec residents to macromine in hisec with alts
Then you simply do not understand how this all works. And a smart man cannot argue with a fool who knows nothing of the argument at hand, and expect to keep his dignity.
* Eternum throws poop at the goon probie and say, U mad bra?
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:19:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Then you simply do not understand how this all works. And a smart man cannot argue with a fool who knows nothing of the argument at hand, and expect to keep his dignity.
* Eternum throws poop at the goon probie and say, U mad bra?
clearly I don't, please enlighten me
i mean you really haven't elaborated on this at all besides "but it's OBVIOUS guys" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:19:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So what your saying is, there are no mining bots in EVE Online because any botter with half sense would make their bot army do something more profitable? no, people actually macromine however, there is literally no reason for nullsec residents to macromine in hisec with alts Then you simply do not understand how this all works. And a smart man cannot argue with a fool who knows nothing of the argument at hand, and expect to keep his dignity. * Eternum throws poop at the goon probie and say, U mad bra?
Tell us more about how it's not that you're wrong, it's just that your ideas are so insightful no one can understand them. |
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:19:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Most of the bots banned were in empire because you can't bot mine in 0.0 in total safety.
Thank you for confining my assertions. We are now in agreement, can we be BFF"s?
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Bane Necran
461
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:20:00 -
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Andski wrote:however, there is literally no reason for nullsec residents to macromine in hisec with alts
You use "literally" improperly very often. I first pointed this out to you months ago.
It's not for emphasis, it's to make sure people don't confuse it with the figurative meaning. If there is no possible figurative meaning, you just look stupid. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:21:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote: Tell us more about how it's not that you're wrong, it's just that your ideas are so insightful no one can understand them.
In a world of reading comprehension deficients (who refuse to read carefully even the most basic post and formulate a valide counter argument) a man with only moderate punctuating skills is a god among men.
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:21:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Most of the bots banned were in empire because you can't bot mine in 0.0 in total safety.
Thank you for confining my assertions. We are now in agreement, can we be BFF"s?
Your assertion was that all of these bots were controlled by 0.0 players is still incorrect though. Because players in 0.0 have access to far better sources of isk/hr than bot mining.
They take that isk and use it to buy the trit from risk averse pubbies running bot farms in empire. (Although, as I said this certainly isn't the case anymore.)
In fact, it strikes me as bizarre that you claim that 0.0 alliances are running 'vast trit botting networks in empire' while simultaneously funding massive programs to destroy mining in empire. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:25:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Most of the bots banned were in empire because you can't bot mine in 0.0 in total safety.
Thank you for confining my assertions. We are now in agreement, can we be BFF"s? Your assertion was that all of these bots were controlled by 0.0 players is still incorrect though. Because players in 0.0 have access to far better sources of isk/hr than bot mining. They take that isk and use it to buy the trit from risk averse pubbies running bot farms in empire. (Although, as I said this certainly isn't the case anymore.)
Your entire premise here is wrong.
ISK is not the reason for botting, the minerals are. You need a cosmic **** ton of minerals to create all of these supercapitals that we see in game. & you need far more low ends (that are found in the safety of empire) then you do high ends, that are found everywhere else.
It is not about the isk It is about people like you turning pictures of minerals into ships that you can fly and fap to.
ISK without ships and minerals is meaningless, and most of the supercapitals that you see flying in space were constructed with bot generated low ends mined in empire (TM)
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Balthisus Filtch
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:25:00 -
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OP seems to have the position spot on.
I would say though that there is danger to 0.0. It's not an at any moment you may be blown up danger, it's a long term your alliance may be forced out of it's space and you could lose everything type of risk (although mostly, time is given for an organised withdraw).
But yes - one look at the map on ship loss setting shows that hi-sec is way more dangerous than anywhere else on the map. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:26:00 -
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Andski wrote:if you're getting popped by "multiple enemies" that kinda blows the whole "lone catalyst" thing out of the water now doesn't it A lone dualboxer :) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:27:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Most of the bots banned were in empire because you can't bot mine in 0.0 in total safety.
Thank you for confining my assertions. We are now in agreement, can we be BFF"s? Your assertion was that all of these bots were controlled by 0.0 players is still incorrect though. Because players in 0.0 have access to far better sources of isk/hr than bot mining. They take that isk and use it to buy the trit from risk averse pubbies running bot farms in empire. (Although, as I said this certainly isn't the case anymore.) Your entire premise here is wrong. ISK is not the reason for botting, the minerals are. You need a cosmic **** ton of minerals to create all of these supercapitals that we see in game. & you need far more low ends (that are found in the safety of empire) then you do high ends, that are found everywhere else. It is not about the isk It is about people like you turning pictures of minerals into ships that you can fly and fap to. ISK without ships and minerals are meaningless, and most of the supercapitals that you see flying in space were constructed with bot generated low ends mined in empire (TM)
Yes, but the reality is that people in empire do farm up these minerals. And they do it is such quantities that the price on the market is a pittance.
You can't argue theoretical arguments against the fact that there is a tremendous amount of cheap trit on the market. Unless these 0.0 trit botting conglomerates are selling the trit to themselves because they are stupid.
PS: There is currently over 23 BILLION trit in Jita. That hasn't come from 0.0 alliances bot mining and shunting it out to 0.0 |
Edward Anthony Cullen
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:28:00 -
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Andski wrote:Aron Croup wrote:I'm not against high-sec PVP, ganking and griefing in general, but I do think the numbers merit some attention from Goons' BFFs, and a possible boost to the jumpfreighter and the hulk, to a level where they can operate in hisec. just had to fix that for you
fixt for Mitten - er Andski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:28:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Your entire premise here is wrong.
ISK is not the reason for botting, the minerals are. You need a cosmic **** ton of minerals to create all of these supercapitals that we see in game. & you need far more low ends (that are found in the safety of empire) then you do high ends, that are found everywhere else.
It is not about the isk It is about people like you turning pictures of minerals into ships that you can fly and fap to.
ISK without ships and minerals is meaningless, and most of the supercapitals that you see flying in space were constructed with bot generated low ends mined in empire (TM)
okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS
people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire
booooooshhh
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:29:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote: You can't argue theoretical arguments against the fact that there is a tremendous amount of cheap trit on the market. Unless these 0.0 trit botting conglomerates are selling the trit to themselves because they are stupid.
They're not overly fussed, Horus and co running hundreds of bots are just RMT'ing and don't overly care about a few isk here or there per m3..
Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals.
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Edward Anthony Cullen
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:30:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped... So logically the idea would be that you're safest mining where they won't go. Like low-sec. Why wouldn't gankers in throw away shipalts go to lowsec ? Because in low sec it requites :effort:
more to the point...
The only ones trolling here are Goons and theyre doing what they said they would, just noone ever realized "Destroy your game" was aimed not at miners, high seccers, missioners or anyone, it was aimed at CCP. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:31:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Yes, but the reality is that people in empire do farm up these minerals. And they do it is such quantities that the price on the market is a pittance.
You can't argue theoretical arguments against the fact that there is a tremendous amount of cheap trit on the market. Unless these 0.0 trit botting conglomerates are selling the trit to themselves because they are stupid.
If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.
It all goes back to null sec. Empire is not to blame for bots, because the reason for all this botting funnels back to people like you.
You can claim that you don't do it, and you can claim that you have no knowledge of it (which TBH is laughable) but to blame empire for botting is ******* stupid, and you know it.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:32:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:They're not overly fussed, Horus and co running hundreds of bots are just RMT'ing and don't overly care about a few isk here or there per m3..
I think he ran empire mission/0.0 anom bots, not mining bots.
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals.
"stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:32:00 -
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Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Your entire premise here is wrong.
ISK is not the reason for botting, the minerals are. You need a cosmic **** ton of minerals to create all of these supercapitals that we see in game. & you need far more low ends (that are found in the safety of empire) then you do high ends, that are found everywhere else.
It is not about the isk It is about people like you turning pictures of minerals into ships that you can fly and fap to.
ISK without ships and minerals is meaningless, and most of the supercapitals that you see flying in space were constructed with bot generated low ends mined in empire (TM) okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire booooooshhh
Minerals that spontaneously appear yea? Or... are refined from missions. An Avatar built from refined mission trit, sure... that makes sense.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:33:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mods to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.
It all goes back to null sec. Empire is not to blame for bots, because the reason for all this botting funnels back to people like you.
You can claim that you don't do it, and you can claim that you have no knowledge of it (which TBH is laughable) but to blame empire for botting is ******* stupid, and you know it.
So why do you absolutely deny the idea that these bots are alts of dudes with hisec mains? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:33:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: You can't argue theoretical arguments against the fact that there is a tremendous amount of cheap trit on the market. Unless these 0.0 trit botting conglomerates are selling the trit to themselves because they are stupid.
They're not overly fussed, Horus and co running hundreds of bots are just RMT'ing and don't overly care about a few isk here or there per m3.. Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals.
We're doing our part to kill RMT and botting with hulkageddon. What have you done to stop RMT lately?
Also, you don't want 0.0 to stop buying ships and minerals from empire. Because it's certainly not mission runners in officer fit golems losing all the ships that you mine for. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:34:00 -
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Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals. "stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT" Oh dear, I'd by specificallt non-botted trit, but the market doesn't let me buy from any order I want, only the lowest sell. Oh dear...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:34:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Your entire premise here is wrong.
ISK is not the reason for botting, the minerals are. You need a cosmic **** ton of minerals to create all of these supercapitals that we see in game. & you need far more low ends (that are found in the safety of empire) then you do high ends, that are found everywhere else.
It is not about the isk It is about people like you turning pictures of minerals into ships that you can fly and fap to.
ISK without ships and minerals is meaningless, and most of the supercapitals that you see flying in space were constructed with bot generated low ends mined in empire (TM) okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire booooooshhh Minerals that spontaneously appear yea? Or... are refined from missions. An Avatar built from refined mission trit, sure... that makes sense.
Actually, the vast majority of minerals which went into supercaps came from the drone regions.
It was in the QEN.
Although depending on how successful Hulkageddon is, mining trit in 0.0 and exporting it might be a good earner. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:35:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire booooooshhh Minerals that spontaneously appear yea? Or... are refined from missions. An Avatar built from refined mission trit, sure... that makes sense. Actually, the vast majority of minerals which went into supercaps came from the drone regions. It was in the QEN.
I know, and the Russian supercapital fleet all but blotted out the sun. There ofc were no bots in drone space either, or.... those bots were all run by empire dwellers.
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