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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:37:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.
You still haven't shown any evidence that high sec mining bots are all 0.0 alts besides 'people in 0.0 use a lot of minerals'.
Which is true, we do. And it's far more efficient for us to use tech money, or anomaly money, or complex money to buy them than it is to get out there and mine for whatever ****** amount of trit you get per hour. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:37:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I know, and the Russian supercapital fleet all but blotted out the sun. There ofc were no bots in drone space either, or.... those bots were all run by empire dwellers.
Nobody denies that people bot in nullsec, but the idea of nullsec dudes, who presumably have access to far better income sources, macromining in hisec is absolutely laughable. "WeGGVre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:38:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire booooooshhh Minerals that spontaneously appear yea? Or... are refined from missions. An Avatar built from refined mission trit, sure... that makes sense.  Actually, the vast majority of minerals which went into supercaps came from the drone regions. It was in the QEN. I know, and the Russian supercapital fleet all but blotted out the sun. There ofc were no bots in drone space either, or.... those bots were all run by empire dwellers.
That's the worst strawman I've seen in this thread so far, and there have been so many badly constructed strawmen to choose from.
But sure, there were probably plenty of people running bot farms in the drone regions to gun mine. But what they -weren't- doing is running vast high sec mining bot networks. |

Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:39:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote: We're doing our part to kill RMT and botting with hulkageddon. What have you done to stop RMT lately?
Nothing I don't care in the slightest about it. |

Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
142
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:39:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals. "stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT" Oh dear, I'd buy specifically non-botted trit, but the market doesn't let me buy from any order I want, only the lowest sell. Oh dear...
Wait... Goon you dont need to, have your RMT farms do it or was that what they were talking about when dude said you guys were especially hard hit by the bot bannings and that supposedly is how it prooves Sreegs isnt in your pocket?
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: We're doing our part to kill RMT and botting with hulkageddon. What have you done to stop RMT lately?
Nothing I don't care in the slightest about it.
Didnt Helicity stop this pretense last Hulkageddon and go with the truth that it was always about tears and never about bots?
Yeah keep with that.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |

Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:40:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals. "stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT" Oh dear, I'd buy specifically non-botted trit, but the market doesn't let me buy from any order I want, only the lowest sell. Oh dear... Wait... Goon you dont need to, have your RMT farms do it or was that what they were talking about when dude said you guys were especially hard hit by the bot bannings and that supposedly is how it prooves Sreegs isnt in your pocket?
What's an 'RMT farm' and how can they buy 'non-botted' trit? |

Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:42:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: We're doing our part to kill RMT and botting with hulkageddon. What have you done to stop RMT lately?
Nothing I don't care in the slightest about it.
So be quiet while the grown ups are dealing with the problem. |

Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:42:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.
You still haven't shown any evidence that high sec mining bots are all 0.0 alts besides 'people in 0.0 use a lot of minerals'.
No one said they are all null sec alts, you made that up.
You however have not posed any valid counter argument against null sec alts botting low ends for ease of access vs time vs yield, and thus cannot stake any claim as to how many of those empire bots were truly empire dwellers, and how many were null sec alts. I am saying that there is no reason to think that all of those bots were people who lived and build in empire, and no sizable portion of them did what they did for nulsec
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
142
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:42:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals. "stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT" Oh dear, I'd buy specifically non-botted trit, but the market doesn't let me buy from any order I want, only the lowest sell. Oh dear... Wait... Goon you dont need to, have your RMT farms do it or was that what they were talking about when dude said you guys were especially hard hit by the bot bannings and that supposedly is how it prooves Sreegs isnt in your pocket? What's an 'RMT farm' and how can they buy 'non-botted' trit?
yeah... pretend to be dumb lol
you guys dont "police CCP's game for them" and dont report Goon bots and no botting there? uh huh...
Pull the other one. Theres cake
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:43:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.
You still haven't shown any evidence that high sec mining bots are all 0.0 alts besides 'people in 0.0 use a lot of minerals'. Which is true, we do. And it's far more efficient for us to use tech money, or anomaly money, or complex money to buy them than it is to get out there and mine for whatever ****** amount of trit you get per hour. 11mil per hour mining veldspar or something. Yeah, gonna go for that ~~
(Mine ABC in null, it's more fun). Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:44:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote: So be quiet while the grown ups are dealing with the problem.
Sure when do they arrive and when are you going to stop being to trolled into a never ending thread by Eternum?
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:45:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:No one said they are all null sec alts, you made that up.
"That is because highsec is where the nullsec bot alts go to pull cosmic **** tons of trit. Oh snap! I put egg on your face.... sorry."
Right here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1254971#post1254971 |

Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:45:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.
You still haven't shown any evidence that high sec mining bots are all 0.0 alts besides 'people in 0.0 use a lot of minerals'. Which is true, we do. And it's far more efficient for us to use tech money, or anomaly money, or complex money to buy them than it is to get out there and mine for whatever ****** amount of trit you get per hour. 11mil per hour mining veldspar or something. Yeah, gonna go for that ~~ (Mine ABC in null, it's more fun).
Not only ignorant, but also unable to read several posts on the subject. Winning?
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:46:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: So be quiet while the grown ups are dealing with the problem.
Sure when do they arrive and when are you going to stop being to trolled into a never ending thread by Eternum?
When I get bored, obviously. I can't make the jump clone timer move any faster by looking at it. |

Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:46:00 -
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I see no egg, never did I say ALL, only you did. * Flings poop back at the doctor.
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:47:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:(Mine ABC in null, it's more fun).
See. This is the kind of mentality we have to deal with every day in GSF.
Fortunately I have prepared a short course on 'Why mining isn't fun' which will be compulsory reading for all newbees. I suspect the already indoctrinated goons will have to be shot.
I'm so sorry. :smith:
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Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:47:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote: When I get bored, obviously. I can't make the jump clone timer move any faster by looking at it.
They should double the length of the timer if not more but that's an argument in a different thread at the moment. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:48:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:You however have not posed any valid counter argument against null sec alts botting low ends
We did. For example:
grinding ISK in nullsec to buy minerals with is a far better option (since pubbies will macromine those lowends anyway)
it makes no sense to farm lowends in hisec when you have access to far, far better income in nullsec through membership in a sovholding alliance
hmm, those are pretty valid to me! "WeGGVre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:48:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I see no egg, never did I say ALL, only you did. * Flings poop back at the doctor.
But the logic is against -any- 0.0 players being stupid enough to kill their isk/hr to go mine in high sec. I mean, I'm sure one or two do, but we're trying to save as many as we can. |

Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:49:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: When I get bored, obviously. I can't make the jump clone timer move any faster by looking at it.
They should double the length of the timer if not more but that's an argument in a different thread at the moment.
The timer should either be removed or the jump clone system should be removed.
Back before the jump clone system you 'lived' in constellation and it was yours. It's sad that it's not the case anymore. |
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:51:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I see no egg, never did I say ALL, only you did. * Flings poop back at the doctor. But the logic is against -any- 0.0 players being stupid enough to kill their isk/hr to go mine in high sec. I mean, I'm sure one or two do, but we're trying to save as many as we can.
It simply is not, and I gave ample reasons why. But by all means, keep making Blah Blah.... that, I admit, you are quite good at.
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Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:52:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
The timer should either be removed or the jump clone system should be removed. Back before the jump clone system you 'lived' in constellation and it was yours. It's sad that it's not the case anymore.
I'd not disagree to removing them to be honest but I'd also remove Jump Bridges and give all capital drives a spin up time of 5 minutes before they can jump.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:52:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:It simply is not, and I gave ample reasons why. But by all means, keep making Blah Blah.... that, I admit, you are quite good at.
Your reasoning was blown out of the water earlier in this thread. Please repeat those reasons, I want to do it again! "WeGGVre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:53:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: It simply is not, and I gave ample reasons why. But by all means, keep making Blah Blah.... that, I admit, you are quite good at.
And we gave ample reasons why you are wrong:
- grinding ISK in nullsec to buy minerals with is a far better option (since pubbies will macromine those lowends anyway)
- it makes no sense to farm lowends in hisec when you have access to far, far better income in nullsec through membership in a sovholding alliance
I will cut and paste from my esteemed colleague here because I am exceptionally lazy. |

Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:54:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
The timer should either be removed or the jump clone system should be removed. Back before the jump clone system you 'lived' in constellation and it was yours. It's sad that it's not the case anymore.
I'd not disagree to removing them to be honest but I'd also remove Jump Bridges and give all capital drives a spin up time of 5 minutes before they can jump.
It might be time to take this discussion over to the other thread, I don't disagree but I expect a lot of people will and it will be PRIME DISCUSSION MATERIAL. |

Josef Djugashvilis
147
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:54:00 -
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Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:You however have not posed any valid counter argument against null sec alts botting low ends We did. For example: grinding ISK in nullsec to buy minerals with is a far better option (since pubbies will macromine those lowends anyway)
it makes no sense to farm lowends in hisec when you have access to far, far better income in nullsec through membership in a sovholding alliance
hmm, those are pretty valid to me!
Andski, you really should drop the 'pubbies' bit, it just makes you seem like an annoying seven year old who has found a new word to use. You want fries with that? |

Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
552
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:55:00 -
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maybe if mining wasn't the most boring thing to do in any game in the universe people wouldn't afk through it....
give mining ships 2000 more shield and 1000 more armor. make the procruer useful, no one uses it, same with the skiff
moon mining should be removed and replaced with anything else, OR allow moon mining in highsec to remove the power from nullblocks yes hulks should be gankable, its stupid for them no to be, but it shouldn't be 1destroyer, or 1 cruiser gankable in highsec.
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Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:55:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I see no egg, never did I say ALL, only you did. * Flings poop back at the doctor. But the logic is against -any- 0.0 players being stupid enough to kill their isk/hr to go mine in high sec. I mean, I'm sure one or two do, but we're trying to save as many as we can. It simply is not, and I gave ample reasons why. But by all means, keep making Blah Blah.... that, I admit, you are quite good at.
Yougave us no reasonthat it's valid so far. Your pubbiebots farmenough trit for it's to buy, why wouldn't we just make much more money ratting with a tengu plus carrier? |

Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:57:00 -
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Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:It simply is not, and I gave ample reasons why. But by all means, keep making Blah Blah.... that, I admit, you are quite good at. Your reasoning was blown out of the water earlier in this thread. Please repeat those reasons, I want to do it again!
Actually we went on for two pages with you seemingly unaware of what I was even talking about. Whatever it is that you are smoking that makes you feel superior, maybe you should market it.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4077
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:57:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:OR allow moon mining in highsec to remove the power from nullblocks
ahahahaha no "WeGGVre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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