Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 .. 18 :: [one page] |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
76
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 07:59:00 -
[1] - Quote
How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?
Price a catalyst. Price a hulk.
People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.
Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.
People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.
CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.
They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."
If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.
So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4053
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:02:00 -
[2] - Quote
Catalysts blow up Hulks because they're AFK and aren't taking the proper precautions to avoid getting blown up. End of story. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4053
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:05:00 -
[3] - Quote
Oh and while you toss that whole "hurrr 300 mil ship dying to a much cheaper one" you should probably stay out of nullsec where expensive ships die to much, much cheaper ones all the time
see ratting tengus dying to solo hurricanes "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
malaire
391
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:05:00 -
[4] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:... So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. ... I am highsec trader and I do not care how dangerous it is to fly here. I do not fly here, I just use courier contracts to outsource the risk of getting ganked.
So for me there is nothing which needs to be fixed.
New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
838
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:12:00 -
[5] - Quote
only certain highsec miners feel entitled to afk fly in failfitted ships. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
55
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:13:00 -
[6] - Quote
Null sec risk, is risk taken on willingly. High sec "risk" is taken on unknowingly by choosing to be totally oblivious to the world you live in. |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
160
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:13:00 -
[7] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?
Price a catalyst. Price a hulk.
People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.
Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.
People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.
CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.
They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."
If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.
So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.
I have started several posts discussing this. I got an ingame email from someone who wants to start a blog. The only hope high players have left is as you say unite under a banner, then organize for next year's CSM to put at least 4 members in the top seven to form a bloc to counter the null sec zealots.
Quite frankly, it won't happen/. High sec players are typically far more casual about their gameplay and unlikely to coalesce about a group of people. High sec players are not worse player than the null sec zealots, just different, and likely with less time for the game. That means they equally won't have time to engage in the political process.
What is more likely is CCP will start adding up the subs and start seeing a dropoff by fall, as the 6 month/12 months subs clear out. Then and only then will CCP mgmt step in and start doing what is necessary, starting with the firing of ex-goon (or maybe not ex-goon?) CCP Soundwave, among others. But I doubt this may even happen.
The ultimate question is the null sec zealot faction within CCP so entrenched, so influential, so powerful, that even a drop in subs will not change the direction of the game.
|
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
594
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:17:00 -
[8] - Quote
Andski wrote:Oh and while you toss that whole "hurrr 300 mil ship dying to a much cheaper one" you should probably stay out of nullsec where expensive ships die to much, much cheaper ones all the time
see ratting tengus dying to solo hurricanes Aww, not the Titans dying to Hurricanes? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ayame Tao
State War Academy Caldari State
7
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:17:00 -
[9] - Quote
If a Catalyst can kill your Hulk - you deserve everything you get.
It should take a gang of 5 Catalysts or a couple of Tornados to take down a Hulk - oh wait... it does (when you do it right - avoid popular belts, fit tank, align, watch d-scan. End. Of. Story.)
I've mined all through ganks, events, hulkageddon etc with not a single loss. It pees me off that so many whiners give miners such a bad rep that James315's epic discourse becomes more and more true :(
*edit* I spells gud
and another thing... I'm not pro-null power bloc (they need reigning in too) nor am I anti-hisec, I just despise the incessant whining on topics that have been flogged to death and clearly demonstrated that CCP give less f*cks than the amount of tank the failfitters put on their 300 mill ship they leave unattended. Seriously, that's like leaving your Bugatti Veyron unlocked with the keys in in the dodgiest parts of town and expecting it to still be there after you left it fo half an hour to make a sandwich and watch TV. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4053
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:20:00 -
[10] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Andski wrote:Oh and while you toss that whole "hurrr 300 mil ship dying to a much cheaper one" you should probably stay out of nullsec where expensive ships die to much, much cheaper ones all the time
see ratting tengus dying to solo hurricanes Aww, not the Titans dying to Hurricanes?
we've used supers on basically every titan kill we've had since dominion
we're way too bad to do it with subcaps "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
|
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
838
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:21:00 -
[11] - Quote
Vince Snetterton wrote:I have started several posts discussing this. I got an ingame email from someone who wants to start a blog. The only hope high players have left is as you say unite under a banner, then organize for next year's CSM to put at least 4 members in the top seven to form a bloc to counter the null sec zealots. The idiot npc forum alt demagogues that preceded you tried this already. |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
61
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:21:00 -
[12] - Quote
Ludi Burek wrote:Null sec risk, is risk taken on willingly. High sec "risk" is taken on unknowingly by choosing to be totally oblivious to the world you live in.
There in is the joke.
I don't live in EVE. It's a game.
Hulk was sold a month ago, Mackinaw Sold 2 months ago Providence sold last week.
All at 200% or more than what I paid for them.
I mined for something to do, not because I needed to do it. If other people are that horny to do it, go for it.
|
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
16
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:24:00 -
[13] - Quote
Andski wrote:Catalysts blow up Hulks because they're AFK and aren't taking the proper precautions to avoid getting blown up. End of story. This. |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
76
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:28:00 -
[14] - Quote
This has to do with fair and balanced play. Right now it is so lopsided in regards to how easily a player can train up an alt and use it to do one thing - grief - end of story. Most of the griefing takes place in high sec against new players who have not had the chance to skill up to a level that allows them to put up safe guards against such un-even odds and absolute un-balanced circumstances.
People in low and null sec scream all the time that the risk vs reward for them is not in-line with the players of high sec. I call BS on that because we all know the truth. The truth is that a player can easily train an alt, buy a cheap throw away ship and grief whom ever they please at no risk to them. End of story. |
Josef Djugashvilis
145
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:36:00 -
[15] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?
Price a catalyst. Price a hulk.
People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.
Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.
People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.
CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.
They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."
If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.
So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.
Above sounds like a fool 0.0 player trying to make hi-sec players look stupid. You want fries with that? |
Rikanin
Wargasm Inc
16
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:42:00 -
[16] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote:I have started several posts discussing this. I got an ingame email from someone who wants to start a blog. The only hope high players have left is as you say unite under a banner, then organize for next year's CSM to put at least 4 members in the top seven to form a bloc to counter the null sec zealots. The idiot npc forum alt demagogues that preceded you tried this already.
Do you get money every time you whine about someone posting with an NPC corp alt? I swear you must because it's all you ever ******* do
|
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
28
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:42:00 -
[17] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?
Price a catalyst. Price a hulk.
People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.
Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.
People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.
CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.
They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."
If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.
So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.
You do realise the value of the ship is irrevalent. The Hulk could cost any where from 0 - infinate amounts of isk. It will still blow up as easily, if not looked after properly.
o7 |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
76
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:46:00 -
[18] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?
Price a catalyst. Price a hulk.
People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.
Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.
People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.
CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.
They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."
If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.
So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.
You do realise the value of the ship is irrevalent. The Hulk could cost any where from 0 - infinate amounts of isk. It will still blow up as easily, if not looked after properly. o7
Value of the ship is not irrelevant - not to a new miner or a freighter pilot - especially when you consider the amount of effort a new player probably put into obtaining enough ISK to get into it in the first place.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4056
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:47:00 -
[19] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:This has to do with fair and balanced play. Right now it is so lopsided in regards to how easily a player can train up an alt and use it to do one thing - grief - end of story. Most of the griefing takes place in high sec against new players who have not had the chance to skill up to a level that allows them to put up safe guards against such un-even odds and absolute un-balanced circumstances.
People in low and null sec scream all the time that the risk vs reward for them is not in-line with the players of high sec. I call BS on that because we all know the truth. The truth is that a player can easily train an alt, buy a cheap throw away ship and grief whom ever they please at no risk to them. End of story.
yeah you have a point
those poor new players in their hulks "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
76
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:54:00 -
[20] - Quote
Andski wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:This has to do with fair and balanced play. Right now it is so lopsided in regards to how easily a player can train up an alt and use it to do one thing - grief - end of story. Most of the griefing takes place in high sec against new players who have not had the chance to skill up to a level that allows them to put up safe guards against such un-even odds and absolute un-balanced circumstances.
People in low and null sec scream all the time that the risk vs reward for them is not in-line with the players of high sec. I call BS on that because we all know the truth. The truth is that a player can easily train an alt, buy a cheap throw away ship and grief whom ever they please at no risk to them. End of story. yeah you have a point those poor new players in their hulks
Is it not better to create an atmosphere that is conducive to getting more people to play and "stay", rather than be a total ass and make the game a place people toss up their hands in frustration and walk away? Only an idiot would not want to see more people playing. Only an idiot would condone un-balanced game play. Only an idiot would want to drive players away because CCP needs less money for the further development of EVE. |
|
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
399
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:55:00 -
[21] - Quote
You are 100% right, nulsec is safer than highsec, and it is for good reason. It takes hundreds and sometimes thousands of people working together, leadership and logistics and defence groups to keep 0.0 safe. The safety is earned by the hard work and endless CTAs of the people who enjoy building something like that in EVE.
The safety of Highsec is not far behind, and you have to do literally nothing to obtain it. Fair. Ferox #1 |
Josef Djugashvilis
145
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 08:59:00 -
[22] - Quote
A player happily mining away in hi-sec, should not be attacked any more than a lone player happily belt ratting in lo-sec or 0.0 should be attacked.
You want fries with that? |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
76
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 09:01:00 -
[23] - Quote
Kietay Ayari wrote:You are 100% right, nulsec is safer than highsec, and it is for good reason. It takes hundreds and sometimes thousands of people working together, leadership and logistics and defence groups to keep 0.0 safe. The safety is earned by the hard work and endless CTAs of the people who enjoy building something like that in EVE.
The safety of Highsec is not far behind, and you have to do literally nothing to obtain it. Fair.
Then perhaps null sec players should stop doing their damndest to drive new players away and instead - bring them into the fold and get them into that part of the game. Recruit people with less than 5 mil sp actively. Most established 0.0 corps won't even look at a 5 mil specced player let alone give them the time of day. So what is the new player to do while they skill up to the point that a 0.0 corp will even look at them - oh yea...grab a tube of lube because the very people that they maybe one day playing with in null and low sec will be doing their best to grief the crap out of them in high sec.
|
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
621
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 09:02:00 -
[24] - Quote
I play in Hisec and Nullsec.
I have ice miners in nullsec and the risk of losing a whole fleet by missing even a few seconds of intel is huge. The same with hauling anything around. You think smartbombing BSs are bad with their 5km range? 4 or 5 stealth bombers can murder an entire fleet in one bombing run even if your fleet is spread out.
In nullsec you pay bilions of isk for your services, upgrades and so on, your intel is player run, your safety is in teh hands of your freinds.
I have a Mack/Hulk pilot in Hisec I mine afk alot, I fly around alot, I haul stuff alot adn I have never once lost a ship in hundreds and hundreds of hours hisec mining and hauling.
In hisec I dont pay anything for any upgrades, I dont need intel, i dont need scouts, i dont need roaming home defence fleets, I dont even need to be at my keyboard.
Dont assume that just because people play their main game in nullsec that they dont also play in hisec too. It makes you look stupid.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
621
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 09:04:00 -
[25] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: Then perhaps null sec players should stop doing their damndest to drive new players away and instead - bring them into the fold and get them into that part of the game. Recruit people with less than 5 mil sp actively. Most established 0.0 corps won't even look at a 5 mil specced player let alone give them the time of day. So what is the new player to do while they skill up to the point that a 0.0 corp will even look at them - oh yea...grab a tube of lube because the very people that they maybe one day playing with in null and low sec will be doing their best to grief the crap out of them in high sec.
Do you know why? Becasue if you dont then there is absolutely no point explaining it to you. I regularly take in under 5 mill sp people, if they are known to a corp member who will vouch for them. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
76
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 09:06:00 -
[26] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:A player happily mining away in hi-sec, should not be attacked any more than a lone player happily belt ratting in lo-sec or 0.0 should be attacked.
Nobody is saying people should not be attacked in high sec. But there should be game mechanics in place that stop the ongoing griefing that occurs via broken game mechanics. It isn't helping anyone and least of all new players that are doing their best to get a foothold in a game that will be trying enough once they do. There are legitimate means for people to fight all they want in high sec. There is no need for the ease at which people can abuse the use of alts to grief to the hearts content without any risk. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
28
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 09:10:00 -
[27] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Value of the ship is not irrelevant - not to a new miner or a freighter pilot - especially when you consider the amount of effort a new player probably put into obtaining enough ISK to get into it in the first place.
Value of the ship does not affect its performance. You can buy a Hulk for 1 ISK, or buy a Hulk for a Billion ISk. It will still be a Hulk. Just because you paid 300 mill ISK for it, does not mean it should in someway, be better than the one I bought for 195 mill Isk. I can tell you right now. My cheaper Hulk will less likely be ganked by 2-3 Dessies, than someone who paid 300 mill, and not look after it.
Again cost is irrevelant. What is irrevelant is a players awareness to his surroundings.
I would like to also point out. That during Hulkageddon I have made close to 2 billion isk mining in Hi sec. If I am caught unawares, because I have been aware of my surroundings, looked after my ships, I can easily afford to replace my Hulk. Add to this the fact I am a noob still. If I can do it, so can everyone else. A little bit of L2play goes a very long way.
o7 |
Josef Djugashvilis
145
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 09:13:00 -
[28] - Quote
You cannot be a 'new' player and fly a Hulk.
You want fries with that? |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
28
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 09:15:00 -
[29] - Quote
bad posting |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
399
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 09:28:00 -
[30] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:You are 100% right, nulsec is safer than highsec, and it is for good reason. It takes hundreds and sometimes thousands of people working together, leadership and logistics and defence groups to keep 0.0 safe. The safety is earned by the hard work and endless CTAs of the people who enjoy building something like that in EVE.
The safety of Highsec is not far behind, and you have to do literally nothing to obtain it. Fair. Then perhaps null sec players should stop doing their damndest to drive new players away and instead - bring them into the fold and get them into that part of the game. Recruit people with less than 5 mil sp actively. Most established 0.0 corps won't even look at a 5 mil specced player let alone give them the time of day. So what is the new player to do while they skill up to the point that a 0.0 corp will even look at them - oh yea...grab a tube of lube because the very people that they maybe one day playing with in null and low sec will be doing their best to grief the crap out of them in high sec.
You do not have the right to demand or even say what anyone should do. If an alliance doesnt want to recruit a certain type of person they do not have to and they will either suffer the consequences of a poor choice or have the benefits of a good choice. Considering most alliances do not get people under 5m sp it might occur to you there is a good reason for that.
Your entire counter argument to the fact that they have earned everything they have while highsec players have not is: they should help highsec players more? Why? Why should those with ability waste time with those that have none? Anyone can go to 0.0 and try to create something of their own, anyone can join in something others are creating too.
Personally I do not care either way, what astounds me is the number of people who are not willing to work for anything and try to use some faulty moral code along with their helplessness to justify their request for others to do things. Ferox #1 |
|
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
77
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:10:00 -
[31] - Quote
Kietay Ayari wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:You are 100% right, nulsec is safer than highsec, and it is for good reason. It takes hundreds and sometimes thousands of people working together, leadership and logistics and defence groups to keep 0.0 safe. The safety is earned by the hard work and endless CTAs of the people who enjoy building something like that in EVE.
The safety of Highsec is not far behind, and you have to do literally nothing to obtain it. Fair. Then perhaps null sec players should stop doing their damndest to drive new players away and instead - bring them into the fold and get them into that part of the game. Recruit people with less than 5 mil sp actively. Most established 0.0 corps won't even look at a 5 mil specced player let alone give them the time of day. So what is the new player to do while they skill up to the point that a 0.0 corp will even look at them - oh yea...grab a tube of lube because the very people that they maybe one day playing with in null and low sec will be doing their best to grief the crap out of them in high sec. You do not have the right to demand or even say what anyone should do. If an alliance doesnt want to recruit a certain type of person they do not have to and they will either suffer the consequences of a poor choice or have the benefits of a good choice. Considering most alliances do not recruit people under 5m sp it might occur to you there is a good reason for that. Your entire counter argument to the fact that they have earned everything they have while highsec players have not is: they should help highsec players more? Why? Why should those with ability waste time with those that have none? Anyone can go to 0.0 and try to create something of their own, anyone can join in something others are creating too. I joined a nulsec corp at a few weeks old and had a lot of fun there. I am not an ambitious or talented player, anyone who wants to experience 0.0 can. Personally I do not care either way, what astounds me is the number of people who are not willing to work for anything and try to use some faulty moral code along with their helplessness to justify their request for others to do things.
This isn't about a faulty moral code, but a faulty game mechanic.
|
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
556
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:17:00 -
[32] - Quote
Kietay Ayari wrote: Personally I do not care either way, what astounds me is the number of people who are not willing to work for anything and try to use some faulty moral code along with their helplessness to justify their request for others to do things.
Yes, all that lazy people who got a wife, two children, friends, relatives, work 50 hours a week, do 2 hours comnmuting, and won't invest their bloody time in playing EVE like True Manly Men. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Tarn Kugisa
Space Mongolian Pinked
76
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:20:00 -
[33] - Quote
Rifters killing supers
Working as IntendedGäó I Endorse this Product and/or Service [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16580[/url] |
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
41
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:23:00 -
[34] - Quote
You kill exhumers because they're easy to pop and can't fight back.
It's like the Special Olympics of combat.
Amazes me that someone would actually brag about it.
|
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
621
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:26:00 -
[35] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote: Personally I do not care either way, what astounds me is the number of people who are not willing to work for anything and try to use some faulty moral code along with their helplessness to justify their request for others to do things.
Yes, all that lazy people who got a wife, two children, friends, relatives, work 50 hours a week, do 2 hours comnmuting, and won't invest their bloody time in playing EVE like True Manly Men.
I have a wife, 2 kids, friends, I write but I do only work 40 hours a week.. I guess that must be where I find the time to play eve... You play the style and time that suits you, but dont expect others to do the same, play the same and have the same ethics. If a corp doesnt want you because you dont have enough play time or not enough SP, then that is their choice, find a corp who is fine with that, there are plenty. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Francisco Bizzaro
91
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:30:00 -
[36] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote: Personally I do not care either way, what astounds me is the number of people who are not willing to work for anything and try to use some faulty moral code along with their helplessness to justify their request for others to do things.
Yes, all that lazy people who got a wife, two children, friends, relatives, work 50 hours a week, do 2 hours comnmuting, and won't invest their bloody time in playing EVE like True Manly Men. If you've got those things going on, probably succeeding at the highest level in a make-believe universe is low on your priority list anyway.
So fly a covetor instead of a hulk, relax, and enjoy your game time. The mechanics are identical, they even look the same, you can fly AFK and you'll rarely get ganked. You just don't see the wallet button flash quite as brightly. But if you've got low expenses, you've got no worries about that either.
The kids who work hard at this game have more in-game stuff than I do, and get no complaints from me for that. They work at it, they deserve it. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
80
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:35:00 -
[37] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Null sec "play areas" are protected by players. High sec is protected by an omnipresent and omnipotent NPC police... |
Eryn Velasquez
40
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:41:00 -
[38] - Quote
Aruken Marr wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Null sec "play areas" are protected by players. High sec is protected by an omnipresent and omnipotent NPC police...
Protection would mean, Concord/Navy/Faction Police kills criminals with >-5 secstatus before they gank somebody. GÇ£A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.GÇ¥-áGÇò Jean-Jacques Rousseau-á |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
80
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:43:00 -
[39] - Quote
Eryn Velasquez wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Null sec "play areas" are protected by players. High sec is protected by an omnipresent and omnipotent NPC police... Protection would mean, Concord/Navy/Faction Police kills criminals with >-5 secstatus before they gank somebody.
Oh god no.
That would be like arresting someone with a criminal record for walking on the street... |
Mono Ethanolamine
TM Reincarnation Polaris Mercenary Alliance
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:44:00 -
[40] - Quote
Try to be involved in the new environment. Probably CCP will buff hulk in the future, but there is no 100% security in this game. |
|
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6432
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:45:00 -
[41] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Value of the ship is not irrelevant - not to a new miner or a freighter pilot - especially when you consider the amount of effort a new player probably put into obtaining enough ISK to get into it in the first place. It's pretty much irrelevant when you're discussing balance, because cost is not a factor in balance.
This is not a game where bigger is better, nor is something better just because it's more expensive. Smaller and cheaper stuff making mince-meat out of larger, more expensive ship is by design and a crucial part of the balance of the game. Those ships have a ton of options at their disposal to protect themselves, but the pilot must choose to use them. A Hulk pilot that so chooses will for instance be completely invulnerable to something as silly as a Catalyst.
Quote:This has to do with fair and balanced play. Right now it is so lopsided in regards to how easily a player can train up an alt and use it to do one thing - grief - end of story. Most of the griefing takes place in high sec against new players who have not had the chance to skill up to a level that allows them to put up safe guards against such un-even odds and absolute un-balanced circumstances. You know that griefing is a bannable offence, right? As for fair and balanced, you're looking for a different game. EVE is more about making sure things are as unfair and unbalanced in your favour once things go down GÇö any situation that you feel unfair is most likely due to you not doing the right prep work whereas the other guy did do his prep.
Also, you need to make up your mind. In the OP, you were talking about hulks GÇö now you're talking about new players. Those are two rather different things.
Quote:But there should be game mechanics in place that stop the ongoing griefing that occurs via broken game mechanics. What broken game mechanics are those? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Francisco Bizzaro
91
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:50:00 -
[42] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?
And the craziest part is, those guys flying the cheap catalysts have put more time into learning the tactics of flying their ship than the guy flying the exhumer worth 300 times as much.
Because the guy flying the exhumer picked up a guide that taught him how to calculate maximum yield and stopped reading there.
So whose fault is it that risk/reward is skewed in hi-sec? Must be CCP's. |
Dyvim Slorm
MNU Operations Luna Sanguinem
11
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:51:00 -
[43] - Quote
Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to extend the time it takes to recycle alts (say to a week or fortnight) that would slow down the flow of griefing alts, not to mention NPC forum trolls |
Eryn Velasquez
40
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:53:00 -
[44] - Quote
Aruken Marr wrote:That would be like arresting someone with a criminal record for walking on the street...
Not really - more like when you take a gun and point it on someone, you may get shot by the police, to prevent your shooting.
Aruken Marr wrote:p.s. npc police already shoot at you at -2.5 or lower depending on sec iir
That's only a joke ... GÇ£A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.GÇ¥-áGÇò Jean-Jacques Rousseau-á |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
157
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:55:00 -
[45] - Quote
Thread no. 63758
Tank your ****, WAAAHHH WAAAHHH I demand 100% yeild, tank and offensive capabilities all the time, adapt or HTFU. Hulkageddon killboard, spot the decent tank... |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
556
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 10:55:00 -
[46] - Quote
Aruken Marr wrote:Eryn Velasquez wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Null sec "play areas" are protected by players. High sec is protected by an omnipresent and omnipotent NPC police... Protection would mean, Concord/Navy/Faction Police kills criminals with >-5 secstatus before they gank somebody. Oh god no. That would be like arresting someone with a criminal record for walking on the street... p.s. npc police already shoot at you at -2.5 or lower depending on sec iir
That would be like arresting someone because he comitted a crime yesterday... how unfair! Yesterday is yesterday, today is today, and 15 whole friggin minutes ago must be enough to forget about any petty murder! EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4059
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:00:00 -
[47] - Quote
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290741
fyi one invuln isn't going to save you "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4059
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:03:00 -
[48] - Quote
look at the tanks on these hulks:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290711 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290644 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290593 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290528 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290328
I did not pick these out selectively. Those are the last five Hulk losses on eve-kill - if you're dumb enough to believe in some "ISK tank" nonsense you can rightly get lost. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
80
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:06:00 -
[49] - Quote
Eryn Velasquez wrote:
Not really - more like when you take a gun and point it on someone, you may get shot by the police, to prevent your shooting.
In that case, anyone who targets anyone while having onlined weapon mods should be concorded.
Eryn Velasquez wrote: That's only a joke ...
So youre saying, in order to bring hisec into line with player organized protection the likes of nullsec, anyone who's -5 should be concorded? Considering that anyone who is -5 can be shot at by players without repercussion already your idea's completely remtarded...
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: That would be like arresting someone because he comitted a crime yesterday... how unfair! Yesterday is yesterday, today is today, and 15 whole friggin minutes ago must be enough to forget about any petty murder!
Assuming he hadn't already received his punishment and served his time i.e. the loss of his ship and 15min gcc |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
152
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:08:00 -
[50] - Quote
Andski wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290741
fyi one invuln isn't going to save you
Wow. And even with max skills and the invul field turned off, that fit should have twice the EHP against blasters. Hell, even with no skills it should have 6k ehp or so. Tsk tsk. |
|
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:09:00 -
[51] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:How ironic ... a chosen few.
TL/DR
But I guess you want to rouse up Highsec-Dwellers again...
There is no problem with Highsec. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:10:00 -
[52] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.
As Ive said before, and its not trolling, I have yet to see an adequate explanation to griefing here OR ever see/hear of anyone getting banned or punished at all for anything called griefing in this game. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4059
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:11:00 -
[53] - Quote
Takseen wrote:Andski wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290741
fyi one invuln isn't going to save you Wow. And even with max skills and the invul field turned off, that fit should have twice the EHP against blasters. Hell, even with no skills it should have 6k ehp or so. Tsk tsk.
You're assuming that the dude has tanking skills trained. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
139
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:12:00 -
[54] - Quote
I have noticed a 90% cot back on seeing trolling players latelt.
I hide post on all Goons and suddenly see not NEARLY as much trolling. except the OP >.<
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
182
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:14:00 -
[55] - Quote
Protest thru unsubbing then Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó...-á-á http://i.imgur.com/aYOL1.jpg
|
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
152
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:15:00 -
[56] - Quote
Those fits...suicide gankers are like darwinism in action. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
139
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:16:00 -
[57] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:I play in Hisec and Nullsec.
I have ice miners in nullsec and the risk of losing a whole fleet by missing even a few seconds of intel is huge. The same with hauling anything around. You think smartbombing BSs are bad with their 5km range? 4 or 5 stealth bombers can murder an entire fleet in one bombing run even if your fleet is spread out.
In nullsec you pay bilions of isk for your services, upgrades and so on, your intel is player run, your safety is in teh hands of your freinds.
I have a Mack/Hulk pilot in Hisec I mine afk alot, I fly around alot, I haul stuff alot adn I have never once lost a ship in hundreds and hundreds of hours hisec mining and hauling.
In hisec I dont pay anything for any upgrades, I dont need intel, i dont need scouts, i dont need roaming home defence fleets, I dont even need to be at my keyboard.
Dont assume that just because people play their main game in nullsec that they dont also play in hisec too. It makes you look stupid.
um.... try it in highsec during hulkageddon then feel re-re when you lose it.
Stop being the good little Goon BB
er BFF
DarthNefarius wrote:Protest thru unsubbing then
Meant as a troll I know but
amazingly good idea as the summer of QQ told us.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
152
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:16:00 -
[58] - Quote
Andski wrote:Takseen wrote:Andski wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290741
fyi one invuln isn't going to save you Wow. And even with max skills and the invul field turned off, that fit should have twice the EHP against blasters. Hell, even with no skills it should have 6k ehp or so. Tsk tsk. You're assuming that the dude has tanking skills trained.
God no. They should maximise their yield only, and then complain when this choice has any consequences whatsoever. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
139
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:17:00 -
[59] - Quote
Takseen wrote:Andski wrote:Takseen wrote:Andski wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290741
fyi one invuln isn't going to save you Wow. And even with max skills and the invul field turned off, that fit should have twice the EHP against blasters. Hell, even with no skills it should have 6k ehp or so. Tsk tsk. You're assuming that the dude has tanking skills trained. God no. They should maximise their yield only, and then complain when this choice has any consequences whatsoever.
GOON ALT DETECTED
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4060
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:18:00 -
[60] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:GOON ALT DETECTED
yeah anybody who disagrees with the idea that hulks should tank like titans with an AFK/max yield fit is obviously a goon alt "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
|
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
157
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:21:00 -
[61] - Quote
I wouldn't bother mate, you can tell this to miners until you're blue in the face, its like speaking to a brick wall (although most would be afk amirite?) The whole hulkageddon killboard is full of these, along with previous ones, but this crowd ccp is dragging in these days want to be effectively invulnerable in highsec and will do nothing other than complain until they get it. Anything in highsec can be ganked, end of story, the hulk can be tanked, end of story. Its just most chose not to then come to shiptoast on the forums... |
Francisco Bizzaro
91
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:21:00 -
[62] - Quote
Sir, I couldn't help but notice that all of the kills you've identified are within 6 jumps of a market hub. Could there be a correlation? Interesting. I wish there was some way to apply that new-found knowledge, but sadly I lack imagination. And anyway your post has given me some excellent fitting ideas which I am sure will solve my problems. |
Lady Hofstedar
Novindus Equilibrium Frentix Alliance
74
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:23:00 -
[63] - Quote
how r they trolling us?
I run vll 4's in a tengu n make nearly 80-120mil a hour dependant on salvage amnd usually another 40mil ontop of that on loot
null sec ratting in an hour ro anoms, u dont make anywhere near that
ur the ones getting trolled :)
CCO secrelty loves us still n not u
NO AND JKS
NOW I TROLLED U
HOW U FEEL |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
176
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:24:00 -
[64] - Quote
Takseen wrote:Andski wrote:Takseen wrote:Andski wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290741 fyi one invuln isn't going to save you Wow. And even with max skills and the invul field turned off, that fit should have twice the EHP against blasters. Hell, even with no skills it should have 6k ehp or so. Tsk tsk. You're assuming that the dude has tanking skills trained. God no. They should maximise their yield only, and then complain when this choice has any consequences whatsoever.
I like how Hulk miners nuke their own EHP by fitting Cargo Expanders and Rigs (~50% of a Hulk's base HP is in structure). If only they'd fit a DCU... |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:26:00 -
[65] - Quote
There is no possibility to tank a determined suicide gank.
If anything you could buffer tank a mining vessel and hope your opponent is too dumb to have fitted a warp disruptor.
If a mining vessel is tanked it's usually with rats in mind, and to tank 0.5 rats all you need is a little passive shield recharge. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
24
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:26:00 -
[66] - Quote
seany1212 wrote:I wouldn't bother mate, you can tell this to miners until you're blue in the face, its like speaking to a brick wall (although most would be afk amirite?) The whole hulkageddon killboard is full of these, along with previous ones, but this crowd ccp is dragging in these days want to be effectively invulnerable in highsec and will do nothing other than complain until they get it. Anything in highsec can be ganked, end of story, the hulk can be tanked, end of story. Its just most chose not to then come to shiptoast on the forums...
You just keep on prattling the party line. Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg. I doubt most miners are afk and anyone who writes 'amirite' is an ignorant moron. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4063
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:26:00 -
[67] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg.
Quote:[Hulk, New Setup 3] Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Damage Control II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
34k ehp against CN antimatter and void
yeah hulks are so weak (( "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Lady Hofstedar
Novindus Equilibrium Frentix Alliance
74
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:27:00 -
[68] - Quote
seany1212 wrote:I wouldn't bother mate, you can tell this to miners until you're blue in the face, its like speaking to a brick wall (although most would be afk amirite?) The whole hulkageddon killboard is full of these, along with previous ones, but this crowd ccp is dragging in these days want to be effectively invulnerable in highsec and will do nothing other than complain until they get it. Anything in highsec can be ganked, end of story, the hulk can be tanked, end of story. Its just most chose not to then come to shiptoast on the forums...
U think ur so important u idiots and your hulkageddon bullshit
WHO CARES - Keep blowijng the miners up
What uive been doing is just proof of why the market price has risen for ships because if u had cared to look there are less ships being produced
i make me wet myself laughing
ccp didnt **** this game
pvp pilots did, period, end of
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4063
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:28:00 -
[69] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote:What uive been doing is just proof of why the market price has risen for ships because if u had cared to look there are less ships being produced
yeah the rise in ship prices has nothing to do with the removal of drone alloys and massive market speculation in the weeks leading up to that
no, it's because your hulk was blown up "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
baltec1
1145
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:30:00 -
[70] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote:
U think ur so important u idiots and your hulkageddon bullshit
WHO CARES - Keep blowijng the miners up
What uive been doing is just proof of why the market price has risen for ships because if u had cared to look there are less ships being produced
i make me wet myself laughing
ccp didnt **** this game
pvp pilots did, period, end of
My ship production is rising every single week. The only thing holding me back is the cost of new BPOs, working 50-72 hour weeks and the gym. |
|
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
152
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:31:00 -
[71] - Quote
Romar Agent wrote:There is no possibility to tank a determined suicide gank.
If anything you could buffer tank a mining vessel and hope your opponent is too dumb to have fitted a warp disruptor.
If a mining vessel is tanked it's usually with rats in mind, and to tank 0.5 rats all you need is a little passive shield recharge.
You don't need to run faster than the lion, you just have to run faster than other gazelles...
|
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
24
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:31:00 -
[72] - Quote
Andski wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg. Quote:[Hulk, New Setup 3] Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Damage Control II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
34k ehp against CN antimatter and void yeah hulks are so weak ((
Your arguement, as usual, is so disengenuous. You clearly wish the Hulk to remain what it currently is so that you can continue to gank it. |
Whitehound
247
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:31:00 -
[73] - Quote
Takseen wrote:Those fits...suicide gankers are like darwinism in action. Same applies to mass murders. The only dumb thing is that a space game has about as much to do with Darwinism as mass murders have to do with gankers.
This thread is fail. OP makes a good stand, but he is really only fighting a mob of zombies with rainbows.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4063
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:34:00 -
[74] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Andski wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg. Quote:[Hulk, New Setup 3] Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Damage Control II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
34k ehp against CN antimatter and void yeah hulks are so weak (( Your arguement, as usual, is so disengenous. You clearly wish the Hulk to remain what it currently is so that you can continue to gank it.
Uh, what? Plug that into EFT and tell me I'm wrong, because I'm right. I don't want CCP to continue removing risks from your AFK playstyle - sorry if this gets you worked up. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Prince Kobol
573
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:34:00 -
[75] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?
Price a catalyst. Price a hulk.
People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.
Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.
People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.
CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.
They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."
If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.
So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.
This is why NPC Players should be banned from posting |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
24
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:35:00 -
[76] - Quote
Andski wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Andski wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg. Quote:[Hulk, New Setup 3] Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Damage Control II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
34k ehp against CN antimatter and void yeah hulks are so weak (( Your arguement, as usual, is so disengenous. You clearly wish the Hulk to remain what it currently is so that you can continue to gank it. Uh, what? Plug that into EFT and tell me I'm wrong, because I'm right. I don't want CCP to continue removing risks from your AFK playstyle - sorry if this gets you worked up.
I don't mine, so don't imply 'my afk' playstyle. But I know alot of people who do and none of them are ever AFK. Again, you post such crap. |
baltec1
1145
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:35:00 -
[77] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Your arguement, as usual, is so disengenuous. You clearly wish the Hulk to remain what it currently is so that you can continue to gank it.
People will gank them for as long as people fail to tank them. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
157
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:36:00 -
[78] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:seany1212 wrote:I wouldn't bother mate, you can tell this to miners until you're blue in the face, its like speaking to a brick wall (although most would be afk amirite?) The whole hulkageddon killboard is full of these, along with previous ones, but this crowd ccp is dragging in these days want to be effectively invulnerable in highsec and will do nothing other than complain until they get it. Anything in highsec can be ganked, end of story, the hulk can be tanked, end of story. Its just most chose not to then come to shiptoast on the forums... You just keep on prattling the party line. Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg. I doubt most miners are afk and anyone who writes 'amirite' is an ignorant moron.
Clearly the ignorant moron here is you, you clearly have no idea on the potential tank the hulk can have but virtually no miners are intelligent enough to fit because they're too busy dreaming of the highest yield they can get from their hulk. It is no party line when 5 killboard of over 3000 kills on each at least tell the same story, and I'm the moron
As for lady holfstadder enough people already have confirmed that you have no idea what you're on about so I'll leave it at that. |
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:38:00 -
[79] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?
Price a catalyst. Price a hulk.
People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.
Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.
People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.
CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.
They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."
If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.
So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.
Internet Lawyer Steve on the scene...
Obviously this character does not understand EVE online or HOW TO FIT A TANK. Yes risk vs. reward. You dont fit a tank, that is your risk for a higher yield.
Since CCP has switched the Drones regions to bounties and crappy drops, mineral prices are going up. Miners have gotten their "buff". Now for the rest of us, Please stop making crappy threads and crying. Learn to Eve or GB2WOW.
Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
Whitehound
247
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:39:00 -
[80] - Quote
Andski wrote:Uh, what? Plug that into EFT and tell me I'm wrong, because I'm right. I don't want CCP to continue removing risks from your AFK playstyle - sorry if this gets you worked up. You are not in the game when you are posting on the forum and yet you accuse players for being afk. You then get all worked up on the forum about it and fail to realize that your brain has gone afk.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4064
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:40:00 -
[81] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Andski wrote:Uh, what? Plug that into EFT and tell me I'm wrong, because I'm right. I don't want CCP to continue removing risks from your AFK playstyle - sorry if this gets you worked up. You are not in the game when you are posting on the forum and yet you accuse players for being afk. You then get all worked up on the forum about it and fail to realize that your brain has gone afk.
Shame that I don't whine when I get ganked while AFK, isn't it? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
24
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:40:00 -
[82] - Quote
seany1212 wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:seany1212 wrote:I wouldn't bother mate, you can tell this to miners until you're blue in the face, its like speaking to a brick wall (although most would be afk amirite?) The whole hulkageddon killboard is full of these, along with previous ones, but this crowd ccp is dragging in these days want to be effectively invulnerable in highsec and will do nothing other than complain until they get it. Anything in highsec can be ganked, end of story, the hulk can be tanked, end of story. Its just most chose not to then come to shiptoast on the forums... You just keep on prattling the party line. Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg. I doubt most miners are afk and anyone who writes 'amirite' is an ignorant moron. Clearly the ignorant moron here is you, you clearly have no idea on the potential tank the hulk can have but virtually no miners are intelligent enough to fit because they're too busy dreaming of the highest yield they can get from their hulk. It is no party line when 5 killboard of over 3000 kills on each at least tell the same story, and I'm the moron As for lady holfstadder enough people already have confirmed that you have no idea what you're on about so I'll leave it at that.
People realize that it cannot be tanked, whatever they try they will be ganked. With that in mind they fit for optimum yield to try to earn as much as they can before it gets popped by some sociopathic knuckle dragger or two in catalysts. This entire suicide ganking craze needs to be looked at and adjustments made. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4064
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:43:00 -
[83] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:People realize that it cannot be tanked, whatever they try they will be ganked. With that in mind they fit for optimum yield to try to earn as much as they can before it gets popped by some sociopathic knuckle dragger or two in catalysts. This entire suicide ganking craze needs to be looked at and adjustments made.
I demonstrated that it can be tanked against "some sociopathic knuckle dragger or two in Catalysts." That doesn't even take things like ECM drones, Tengu/Vulture bonuses or anything of the sort into account.
I understand that you dislike risks in a PvP game, but that is not our problem. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
557
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:44:00 -
[84] - Quote
Andski wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg. Quote:[Hulk, New Setup 3] Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Damage Control II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
34k ehp against CN antimatter and void yeah hulks are so weak ((
Fake fitting is fake. 29K EHP and uses 380 CPU whereas the Hulk has got 375. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:44:00 -
[85] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: ... CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care. ...
Me thinks this may not be the game you are looking for...
|
Whitehound
247
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:44:00 -
[86] - Quote
Andski wrote:Shame that I don't whine when I get ganked while AFK, isn't it? You do whine, because you could play the game but for some reason do you cry your stupidity all over the forum. What has any of your behaviour still to do with game play? At the end of the day did you only post **** and made no ISKs at all. You are not participating in the game at all.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4064
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:47:00 -
[87] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:and made no ISKs at all
I did sell 15 Hulkageddon mining permits! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
443
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:47:00 -
[88] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?
Price a catalyst. Price a hulk.
People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.
Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.
People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.
CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.
They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."
If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.
So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.
tank your goddamn hulk and stop being AFK ffs. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4064
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:49:00 -
[89] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Fake fitting is fake. Mr. All to Five says 29K EHP and uses 380 CPU whereas the Hulk has got 375.
Have you not heard of CPU hardwirings or are you just pretending to be dense?
That's 29k EHP assuming equal damage distribution (this is never the case), but 34k against 50% kinetic/50% thermal, you know, the blaster damage profile. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Whitehound
247
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:50:00 -
[90] - Quote
Andski wrote:Whitehound wrote:and made no ISKs at all I did sell 15 Hulkageddon mining permits! No, you keep posting crap and are still not playing the game.
OP has set more gankers into afk mode with his thread than any of you realize. But, please, keep posting.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
|
baltec1
1145
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:51:00 -
[91] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Fake fitting is fake. Mr. All to Five says 29K EHP and uses 380 CPU whereas the Hulk has got 375.
[Hulk, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Small Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Immune to any destroyer. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
157
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:51:00 -
[92] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Andski wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg. Quote:[Hulk, New Setup 3] Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Damage Control II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
34k ehp against CN antimatter and void yeah hulks are so weak (( Fake fitting is fake. Mr. All to Five says 29K EHP and uses 380 CPU whereas the Hulk has got 375.
Except he said that it has that tank against a specific damage type used by catalysts, and sounds at most that it needs a 2% CPU implant which is hardly expensive.
For bunny hop the only way they could fix this 'suicide ganking craze' is if they changed it so there was no aggression in highsec as anything can be ganked given enough manpower, hulks just make it easier on the gankers. But I don't see CCP doing that considering the game is based around destruction. |
Mr Droneson
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:52:00 -
[93] - Quote
ill say what has been said but clear as crystal glass.
GROW THE **** UP AND GET SOME DAMN BALLS THE GAME IS NOT UNBALANCED THE GAME IS PRETTY DAMN BALANCED AS IS, IF YOUR DIEING TO GANKS BECAUSE OF HULKAGEDDON L2P IT'S THAT SIMPLE. STOP FAIL FITTING, WATCH YOUR ******* OVERVIEW AND L2P AGAIN. I HAVE TOONS I MINE ON NO PROBLEM HELL IF AFK MINERS COULD GO ABOUT BUISSNESS WITH TITAN LIKE TANKS THEN MINERALS PRICES WOULD SINK SO LOW IT WOULDN'T BE FUNNY AND MACRO MINERS WOULD BE POPULAR BEYOND CONTAINMENT AND THE GAME WOULD JUST DIE. FACT IS NO TANK WILL SAVE A HULK FROM GANKERS. YOUR BEST BET IS TO BUFFER TANK YOUR SHIELDS AND MAKE SURE U HAVE A WARP STAB ON SO U CAN GTFO WHEN THE GANKERS ROLL IN AND BE ALIGNED FOR GOD SAKES |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4064
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:52:00 -
[94] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Andski wrote:Whitehound wrote:and made no ISKs at all I did sell 15 Hulkageddon mining permits! No, you keep posting crap and are still not playing the game. OP has set more gankers into afk mode with his thread than any of you realize. But, please, keep posting.
The problem is that you're assuming I gank Hulks. I don't - I get tired of lining up every gank - contrary to popular belief, suicide ganking really isn't effortless! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Noofels
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:53:00 -
[95] - Quote
I asked how to play a Hulk in high sec.
People answered that I have to do everything one would do in null sec and wh space in order to avoid getting blown up. Thus, we can conclude that high sec space is just as dangerous as null sec.
The risk is equal in both space, so give equal rewards. Bring ABC ores to high sec. At least then we can justify the risk. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:54:00 -
[96] - Quote
Mr Droneson wrote:ill say what has been said but clear as crystal glass.
GROW THE **** UP AND GET SOME DAMN BALLS THE GAME IS NOT UNBALANCED THE GAME IS PRETTY DAMN BALANCED AS IS, IF YOUR DIEING TO GANKS BECAUSE OF HULKAGEDDON L2P IT'S THAT SIMPLE. STOP FAIL FITTING, WATCH YOUR ******* OVERVIEW AND L2P AGAIN. I HAVE TOONS I MINE ON NO PROBLEM HELL IF AFK MINERS COULD GO ABOUT BUISSNESS WITH TITAN LIKE TANKS THEN MINERALS PRICES WOULD SINK SO LOW IT WOULDN'T BE FUNNY AND MACRO MINERS WOULD BE POPULAR BEYOND CONTAINMENT AND THE GAME WOULD JUST DIE. FACT IS NO TANK WILL SAVE A HULK FROM GANKERS. YOUR BEST BET IS TO BUFFER TANK YOUR SHIELDS AND MAKE SURE U HAVE A WARP STAB ON SO U CAN GTFO WHEN THE GANKERS ROLL IN AND BE ALIGNED FOR GOD SAKES
lol |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4064
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:54:00 -
[97] - Quote
Noofels wrote:I asked how to play a Hulk in high sec.
People answered that I have to do everything one would do in null sec and wh space in order to avoid getting blown up. Thus, we can conclude that high sec space is just as dangerous as null sec.
The risk is equal in both space, so give equal rewards. Bring ABC ores to high sec. At least then we can justify the risk.
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
baltec1
1145
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:55:00 -
[98] - Quote
Noofels wrote:I asked how to play a Hulk in high sec.
People answered that I have to do everything one would do in null sec and wh space in order to avoid getting blown up. Thus, we can conclude that high sec space is just as dangerous as null sec.
The risk is equal in both space, so give equal rewards. Bring ABC ores to high sec. At least then we can justify the risk.
The difference between high sec and everywhere else is 99.9% of the neutrals you see in high sec are not going to try to kill you. |
Whitehound
247
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:56:00 -
[99] - Quote
Andski wrote:The problem is that you're assuming I gank Hulks. I don't - I get tired of lining up every gank - contrary to popular belief, suicide ganking really isn't effortless! No, I am "assuming" that you blame players for being afk while you continue to post crap on the forum. You are just as much afk as they are. When do you get this into your head?
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4064
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:57:00 -
[100] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Andski wrote:The problem is that you're assuming I gank Hulks. I don't - I get tired of lining up every gank - contrary to popular belief, suicide ganking really isn't effortless! No, I am "assuming" that you blame players for being afk while you continue to post crap on the forum. You are just as much afk as they are. When do you get this into your head?
tell me more about posting on forums while "away from keyboard" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
|
Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:57:00 -
[101] - Quote
Kietay Ayari wrote:You are 100% right, nulsec is safer than highsec, and it is for good reason. It takes hundreds and sometimes thousands of people working together, leadership and logistics and defence groups to keep 0.0 safe. The safety is earned by the hard work and endless CTAs of the people who enjoy building something like that in EVE.
The safety of Highsec is not far behind, and you have to do literally nothing to obtain it. Fair. I couldn't have said it better myself. Nicely put! |
Whitehound
247
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:57:00 -
[102] - Quote
Andski wrote:Noofels wrote:I asked how to play a Hulk in high sec.
People answered that I have to do everything one would do in null sec and wh space in order to avoid getting blown up. Thus, we can conclude that high sec space is just as dangerous as null sec.
The risk is equal in both space, so give equal rewards. Bring ABC ores to high sec. At least then we can justify the risk. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Now you have done it. You made a Goon's head explode.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:00:00 -
[103] - Quote
baltec1 wrote: The difference between high sec and everywhere else is 99.9% of the neutrals you see in high sec are not going to try to kill you.
The difference between everywhere else and high sec is 99.9% of the neutrals you see in 0.0/lowsec are going to try and kill you.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4064
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:02:00 -
[104] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:The difference between everywhere else and high sec is 99.9% of the neutrals you see in 0.0/lowsec are going to try and kill you.
Sometimes you even have blues trying to kill you. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
baltec1
1145
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:03:00 -
[105] - Quote
Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:The difference between everywhere else and high sec is 99.9% of the neutrals you see in 0.0/lowsec are going to try and kill you. Sometimes you even have blues trying to kill you.
Most of them from TEST. |
Whitehound
247
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:08:00 -
[106] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:The difference between everywhere else and high sec is 99.9% of the neutrals you see in 0.0/lowsec are going to try and kill you. Sometimes you even have blues trying to kill you. Most of them from TEST. This thread is now about zombies.
No, wait. Even zombies know not to eat one another.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:13:00 -
[107] - Quote
Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:The difference between everywhere else and high sec is 99.9% of the neutrals you see in 0.0/lowsec are going to try and kill you. Sometimes you even have blues trying to kill you.
Man that's mean, you seem nice I'd never shoot you |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:15:00 -
[108] - Quote
Anyone climbing into a 300m isk ship should know better. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:16:00 -
[109] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote:
ccp didnt **** this game
Highsec risk averse griefer pilots did, period, end of
yup - btw... when you lose your ship 100% of the time its no longer a risk, its a business expense
Takseen wrote:
You don't need to run faster than the lion, you just have to run faster than other gazelles...
You don't need to run faster than the lion, you just have to run faster than the friend you trip (OR ala The Walking Dead the one you shoot in the leg)
hey look an andski red bar Im assuming its a well written retort with all the wit we've learned to expect from Mittens' alt.
Yeah I doubt it too hence why Im not clicking on it lol
Whitehound's sig is how you should vote miners. Last time ppl left en mass that happened. Do it again I bet something changes. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4066
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:18:00 -
[110] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Lady Hofstedar wrote:
ccp didnt **** this game
Highsec risk averse griefer pilots did, period, end of
yup
yeah the gankers are risk-averse, much unlike the hulk pilots who whine on the forums about how risky it is "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
|
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
80
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:20:00 -
[111] - Quote
Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:The difference between everywhere else and high sec is 99.9% of the neutrals you see in 0.0/lowsec are going to try and kill you. Sometimes you even have blues trying to kill you all the time.
|
Iselsi Custodis
NoxArcana
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:28:00 -
[112] - Quote
TLDR - OP is crying that he lost his Hulk, in highsec, during an event that is NOTORIOUS for suicide ganking his preferred ship type, doing his preferred activity, in his preferred level of security of space.
And you're wondering why you lost it? /facepalm
And btw - that nifty directional scanner? its not just a hood ornament. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
29
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:28:00 -
[113] - Quote
Mr Droneson wrote:ill say what has been said but clear as crystal glass.
GROW THE **** UP AND GET SOME DAMN BALLS THE GAME IS NOT UNBALANCED THE GAME IS PRETTY DAMN BALANCED AS IS, IF YOUR DIEING TO GANKS BECAUSE OF HULKAGEDDON L2P IT'S THAT SIMPLE. STOP FAIL FITTING, WATCH YOUR ******* OVERVIEW AND L2P AGAIN. I HAVE TOONS I MINE ON NO PROBLEM HELL IF AFK MINERS COULD GO ABOUT BUISSNESS WITH TITAN LIKE TANKS THEN MINERALS PRICES WOULD SINK SO LOW IT WOULDN'T BE FUNNY AND MACRO MINERS WOULD BE POPULAR BEYOND CONTAINMENT AND THE GAME WOULD JUST DIE. FACT IS NO TANK WILL SAVE A HULK FROM GANKERS. YOUR BEST BET IS TO BUFFER TANK YOUR SHIELDS AND MAKE SURE U HAVE A WARP STAB ON SO U CAN GTFO WHEN THE GANKERS ROLL IN AND BE ALIGNED FOR GOD SAKES
Someone needs a nap. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:34:00 -
[114] - Quote
Iselsi Custodis wrote:TLDR - OP is crying that he lost his Hulk, in highsec, during an event that is NOTORIOUS for suicide ganking his preferred ship type, doing his preferred activity, in his preferred level of security of space.
And you're wondering why you lost it? /facepalm
And btw - that nifty directional scanner? its not just a hood ornament.
Yeah well a brain isnt there just to take up space but we see how well its being used in the OP's case
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:37:00 -
[115] - Quote
Andski wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Lady Hofstedar wrote:
ccp didnt **** this game
Highsec risk averse griefer pilots did, period, end of
yup yeah the gankers are risk-averse, much unlike the hulk pilots who whine on the forums about how risky it is
I'm not sure how gankers are risk averse though - they're just using the right tool for the job.
It would be stupid to sacrifice a 500m isk ship when a 5m isk one does the job. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
60
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:37:00 -
[116] - Quote
OP should go home and reconsider what game he wants to be really playing. EVE is hard. Suicide ganking is a feature, not a glitch. Just what would be the acceptable cost for a suicide ganker?
And before you answer, let me ask you this: if all it takes is a trasher to kill a noobship carrying 20 plexes (worth 10 bil) in highsec, wouldn't you use the same logic to defend the victim? It is clearly the victim's fault in this scenario, yet the hulk pilot who does nothing to prevent a suicide gank should not be at risk?
Cost of the ship is NOT a factor when factoring risk, but there are several OTHER games that are pay-to-win for you choosing. Hulks are not meant to be tanked locally, there are meant to be tanked by being smart. If you don't know what that means, nobody can help you... sorry. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:42:00 -
[117] - Quote
Thor Kerrigan wrote:OP should go home and reconsider what game he wants to be really playing. EVE is hard. Suicide ganking is a feature, not a glitch. Just what would be the acceptable cost for a suicide ganker?
And before you answer, let me ask you this: if all it takes is a trasher to kill a noobship carrying 20 plexes (worth 10 bil) in highsec, wouldn't you use the same logic to defend the victim? It is clearly the victim's fault in this scenario, yet the hulk pilot who does nothing to prevent a suicide gank should not be at risk?
Cost of the ship is NOT a factor when factoring risk, but there are several OTHER games that are pay-to-win for you choosing. Hulks are not meant to be tanked locally, there are meant to be tanked by being smart. If you don't know what that means, nobody can help you... sorry.
If miners had any sense they'd move to one of the literally hundreds of empty low-sec systems. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:43:00 -
[118] - Quote
No stop mining instead, it's a terribly dull and needs to be redone before anyone wastes more time on it. |
Whitehound
248
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:43:00 -
[119] - Quote
Thor Kerrigan wrote:OP should go home and reconsider what game he wants to be really playing. ... Everyone out!
This is now Kerrigan's game.
You have heard it here first.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Volksterb
In Paradisum
1
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:46:00 -
[120] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:OP should go home and reconsider what game he wants to be really playing. ... Everyone out! This is now Kerrigan's game. You have heard it here first.
That seems to be the attitude of the psuedo-pvp gankbear elites. But what would they do without us miners since they are too afraid to fight real ships, guess go play warcrap or something. |
|
Lady Hofstedar
Novindus Equilibrium Frentix Alliance
75
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:47:00 -
[121] - Quote
Your all damn idiots
U think the lessening of ship production had jack **** to do with drone regions? No it didnt, this was happening months before that even became a fact but like msot pvpers u only pay attention to grab when its big news
Prices have been rising steadily for 7 months, Ships are less produced and dont mean ****** frigs.
BC's/bs etc are less production on the market
do u knwo whose doing the dmg?
Shall i tell you a secret?
One you wont want to hear cause your an *elite* pvper?
The only people to blame for a declining population, empty null sec systems and ship/module prices rising - PVP PILOTS - you think its hilarious to kill miners, sure, go ahead, but tell me, what happens when 2k + hulk pilots quit?
Oh yeh thats right
You bury your head in the sand and blame the carebears for price rising
But wait
Just wait
It is you, the pvp base of eve who are to blame
Well now, isnt that a conumdrum?
quick, reply fast and troll me
|
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:50:00 -
[122] - Quote
I'd like it all to crash down and burn to be honest. |
Whitehound
248
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:52:00 -
[123] - Quote
Volksterb wrote:Whitehound wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:OP should go home and reconsider what game he wants to be really playing. ... Everyone out! This is now Kerrigan's game. You have heard it here first. That seems to be the attitude of the psuedo-pvp gankbear elites. But what would they do without us miners since they are too afraid to fight real ships, guess go play warcrap or something. When you need to play EVE for years to be flying a Titan within an alliance and with no guarantee of success, then ganking becomes the new end game.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:53:00 -
[124] - Quote
Andski wrote:Catalysts blow up Hulks because they're AFK and aren't taking the proper precautions to avoid getting blown up. End of story.
LOL
Anytime someone pronounces "End of story", you can be sure there's more they're hoping you won't notice. |
Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:57:00 -
[125] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote:Your all damn idiots
U think the lessening of ship production had jack **** to do with drone regions? No it didnt, this was happening months before that even became a fact but like msot pvpers u only pay attention to grab when its big news
Prices have been rising steadily for 7 months, Ships are less produced and dont mean ****** frigs.
BC's/bs etc are less production on the market
do u knwo whose doing the dmg?
Shall i tell you a secret?
One you wont want to hear cause your an *elite* pvper?
The only people to blame for a declining population, empty null sec systems and ship/module prices rising - PVP PILOTS - you think its hilarious to kill miners, sure, go ahead, but tell me, what happens when 2k + hulk pilots quit?
Oh yeh thats right
You bury your head in the sand and blame the carebears for price rising
But wait
Just wait
It is you, the pvp base of eve who are to blame
Well now, isnt that a conumdrum?
quick, reply fast and troll me
Little known secret: I'm the mastermind behind the destruction of EVE. |
baltec1
1145
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:58:00 -
[126] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote:Your all damn idiots
U think the lessening of ship production had jack **** to do with drone regions? No it didnt, this was happening months before that even became a fact but like msot pvpers u only pay attention to grab when its big news
Prices have been rising steadily for 7 months, Ships are less produced and dont mean ****** frigs.
BC's/bs etc are less production on the market
do u knwo whose doing the dmg?
Shall i tell you a secret?
One you wont want to hear cause your an *elite* pvper?
The only people to blame for a declining population, empty null sec systems and ship/module prices rising - PVP PILOTS - you think its hilarious to kill miners, sure, go ahead, but tell me, what happens when 2k + hulk pilots quit?
Oh yeh thats right
You bury your head in the sand and blame the carebears for price rising
But wait
Just wait
It is you, the pvp base of eve who are to blame
Well now, isnt that a conumdrum?
quick, reply fast and troll me
The rampent inflation going on over the last year has nothing at all to do with the higher prices. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
117
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:58:00 -
[127] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. hmmm, actually it sounds like he's risking 2mil and a pod There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:58:00 -
[128] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote: The only people to blame for a declining population, empty null sec systems and ship/module prices rising - PVP PILOTS - you think its hilarious to kill miners, sure, go ahead, but tell me, what happens when 2k + hulk pilots quit?
If 2k+ hulk pilots quit, I'll buy their characters and start mining myself - that would be awesome isk. |
Lady Hofstedar
Novindus Equilibrium Frentix Alliance
75
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:00:00 -
[129] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Lady Hofstedar wrote:Your all damn idiots
U think the lessening of ship production had jack **** to do with drone regions? No it didnt, this was happening months before that even became a fact but like msot pvpers u only pay attention to grab when its big news
Prices have been rising steadily for 7 months, Ships are less produced and dont mean ****** frigs.
BC's/bs etc are less production on the market
do u knwo whose doing the dmg?
Shall i tell you a secret?
One you wont want to hear cause your an *elite* pvper?
The only people to blame for a declining population, empty null sec systems and ship/module prices rising - PVP PILOTS - you think its hilarious to kill miners, sure, go ahead, but tell me, what happens when 2k + hulk pilots quit?
Oh yeh thats right
You bury your head in the sand and blame the carebears for price rising
But wait
Just wait
It is you, the pvp base of eve who are to blame
Well now, isnt that a conumdrum?
quick, reply fast and troll me
The rampent inflation going on over the last year has nothing at all to do with the higher prices.
You quite clearly have no idea how inflation works or have simply *googled* the word n now pretend to know all :) |
Lady Bavmorda
Grau Foundation
2
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:01:00 -
[130] - Quote
Destroyer = warship Hulk = civilian (mining) ship
Oh noes warships can easily destroy civilian ships in eve, something must be broken. |
|
baltec1
1145
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:04:00 -
[131] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote:
You quite clearly have no idea how inflation works or have simply *googled* the word n now pretend to know all :)
So you are saying inflated prices of everything is not inflation? |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
154
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:06:00 -
[132] - Quote
Ganking has been going on in Eve since day one. News flash: Eve is still here, and subs are on the up. Ganking is not killing Eve, but feel free to quit anyway, I'm certain half a dozen miners quiting will destabilise CCP's business model. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
58
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:06:00 -
[133] - Quote
I'm looking for the thread with incredibly whiny dumb people who are convinced that they are in fact intelligent (this be miners).
Is this that thread? (didn't read beyond OP) |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
403
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:08:00 -
[134] - Quote
Andski wrote:Catalysts blow up Hulks because they're AFK and aren't taking the proper precautions to avoid getting blown up. End of story. It doesn't matter if they're afk or not... Once I'm in warp, they're going pop...
So really, that's just bs...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
154
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:08:00 -
[135] - Quote
Smart miner uses align. It's super effective! |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:09:00 -
[136] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote: If 2k+ hulk pilots quit, I'll buy their characters and start mining myself - that would be awesome isk.
Quitting people don't need to sell their characters no need for isk when playing WOW, unless you were talking ebay you evil person |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:12:00 -
[137] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: If 2k+ hulk pilots quit, I'll buy their characters and start mining myself - that would be awesome isk.
Quitting people don't need to sell their characters no need for isk when playing WOW, unless you were talking ebay you evil person
No, I meant for isk but even if I had to make the characters myself it wouldn't take long to get a few characters into hulks. They'd pay for themselves. |
Whitehound
248
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:13:00 -
[138] - Quote
Lady Bavmorda wrote:Destroyer = warship Hulk = civilian (mining) ship
Oh noes warships can easily destroy civilian ships in eve, something must be broken. The Hulk is the largest craft in the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining modules. They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. The Hulk is, bar none, the most efficient mining vessel available.
It does not even survive a gank in high-sec. Maybe the description is broken.
The Hulk is the most expensive craft in the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate almost nothing but Strip Mining modules. They are also far from being resilient, unable to handle the dangers of high security space. The Hulk is, bar none, the silliest mining vessel available.
Fixed it.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
154
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:14:00 -
[139] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Lady Bavmorda wrote:Destroyer = warship Hulk = civilian (mining) ship
Oh noes warships can easily destroy civilian ships in eve, something must be broken. The Hulk is the largest craft in the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining modules. They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. The Hulk is, bar none, the most efficient mining vessel available.It does not even survive a gank in high-sec. Maybe the description is broken. Hulk has a better tank than t1 barges, and can tank many null sec rat spawns. Description is fine. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
405
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:16:00 -
[140] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Smart miner uses align. It's super effective! When I'm in warp, they're going pop. Doesn't matter if they're aligned (lol) or have warp core stabs or reinforced bulkheads. Before I go in warp I know how they're fit, where they're aligned to (if) and how much dps (within +/- 5%) it will take to kill them.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
|
Whitehound
248
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:19:00 -
[141] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Hulk has a better tank than t1 barges, and can tank many null sec rat spawns. Description is fine. And 0.0 is a single-player game. Sure, bro.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Josef Djugashvilis
145
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:19:00 -
[142] - Quote
Mr Droneson wrote:ill say what has been said but clear as crystal glass.
GROW THE **** UP AND GET SOME DAMN BALLS THE GAME IS NOT UNBALANCED THE GAME IS PRETTY DAMN BALANCED AS IS, IF YOUR DIEING TO GANKS BECAUSE OF HULKAGEDDON L2P IT'S THAT SIMPLE. STOP FAIL FITTING, WATCH YOUR ******* OVERVIEW AND L2P AGAIN. I HAVE TOONS I MINE ON NO PROBLEM HELL IF AFK MINERS COULD GO ABOUT BUISSNESS WITH TITAN LIKE TANKS THEN MINERALS PRICES WOULD SINK SO LOW IT WOULDN'T BE FUNNY AND MACRO MINERS WOULD BE POPULAR BEYOND CONTAINMENT AND THE GAME WOULD JUST DIE. FACT IS NO TANK WILL SAVE A HULK FROM GANKERS. YOUR BEST BET IS TO BUFFER TANK YOUR SHIELDS AND MAKE SURE U HAVE A WARP STAB ON SO U CAN GTFO WHEN THE GANKERS ROLL IN AND BE ALIGNED FOR GOD SAKES
There is no need to shout my good man. You want fries with that? |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
154
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:21:00 -
[143] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Smart miner uses align. It's super effective! When I'm in warp, they're going pop. Doesn't matter if they're aligned (lol) or have warp core stabs or reinforced bulkheads. Before I go in warp I know how they're fit, where they're aligned to (if) and how much dps (within +/- 5%) it will take to kill them. I've just checked your link now... I salute you, that is a mighty fine collection of ****-fit exhumers, a monument to the stupidity of your average miner. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:21:00 -
[144] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Hulk has a better tank than t1 barges, and can tank many null sec rat spawns. Description is fine. And 0.0 is a single-player game. Sure, bro.
Eve isn't a single player game. |
Whitehound
248
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:23:00 -
[145] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Whitehound wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Hulk has a better tank than t1 barges, and can tank many null sec rat spawns. Description is fine. And 0.0 is a single-player game. Sure, bro. Eve isn't a single player game. For me it is not, but for you Goons it is. "We are all only pieces of a board game" to you.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
30
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:25:00 -
[146] - Quote
Ludi Burek wrote:I'm looking for the thread with incredibly whiny dumb people who are convinced that they are in fact intelligent (this be miners).
Is this that thread? (didn't read beyond OP)
I read in another thread that someone was upset he couldn't make a gay looking avatar, he obviously hasn't seen yours |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
156
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:27:00 -
[147] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:I'm looking for the thread with incredibly whiny dumb people who are convinced that they are in fact intelligent (this be miners).
Is this that thread? (didn't read beyond OP) I read in another thread that someone was upset he couldn't make a gay looking avatar, he obviously hasn't seen yours I read in another thread that someone was looking for an example of visual irony on the forums, is this the post he was looking for? |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
31
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:29:00 -
[148] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:I'm looking for the thread with incredibly whiny dumb people who are convinced that they are in fact intelligent (this be miners).
Is this that thread? (didn't read beyond OP) I read in another thread that someone was upset he couldn't make a gay looking avatar, he obviously hasn't seen yours I read in another thread that someone was looking for an example of visual irony on the forums, is this the post he was looking for? Well I am just impressed you read to be honest. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4067
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:31:00 -
[149] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Volksterb wrote:Whitehound wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:OP should go home and reconsider what game he wants to be really playing. ... Everyone out! This is now Kerrigan's game. You have heard it here first. That seems to be the attitude of the psuedo-pvp gankbear elites. But what would they do without us miners since they are too afraid to fight real ships, guess go play warcrap or something. When you need to play EVE for years to be flying a Titan within an alliance and with no guarantee of success, then ganking becomes the new end game.
here you go assuming that eve has an end game "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Treasures Collectors Northern Associates.
151
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:33:00 -
[150] - Quote
Andski wrote:Whitehound wrote:Volksterb wrote:Whitehound wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:OP should go home and reconsider what game he wants to be really playing. ... Everyone out! This is now Kerrigan's game. You have heard it here first. That seems to be the attitude of the psuedo-pvp gankbear elites. But what would they do without us miners since they are too afraid to fight real ships, guess go play warcrap or something. When you need to play EVE for years to be flying a Titan within an alliance and with no guarantee of success, then ganking becomes the new end game. here you go assuming that eve has an end game
here you go arguing with semantics |
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:33:00 -
[151] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Whitehound wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Hulk has a better tank than t1 barges, and can tank many null sec rat spawns. Description is fine. And 0.0 is a single-player game. Sure, bro. Eve isn't a single player game. For me it is not, but for you Goons it is. "We are all only pieces of a board game" to you.
There is probably some hidden wisdom in your post, but I have no idea what you are trying to say. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4067
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:35:00 -
[152] - Quote
They can mine aligned, fyi - did you know that strip miners have a 15km range? That's plenty!
also if you think that any of those were not bots, I'd like to sell you an ocean front property in Nebraska "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:35:00 -
[153] - Quote
Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:
here you go arguing with semantics
What would you do once you got your titan? You can't mission in it, you can't solo or small gang PvP in it. It's big and expensive and hard to get sure, but you can't use it for anything. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4068
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:36:00 -
[154] - Quote
according to diagoras' tweets the Hulk is the most used shiptype in the game
i.e. it's fine and you need to stop whining about getting ganked, try turning off your macro and actually playing the game "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
40
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:37:00 -
[155] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:
here you go arguing with semantics
What would you do once you got your titan? You can't mission in it, you can't solo or small gang PvP in it. It's big and expensive and hard to get sure, but you can't use it for anything.
Mine |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
218
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:38:00 -
[156] - Quote
So every miner in a hulk is a macro and deserves death? EGD: If you jettison what's in your brain, at least expect can flipping. |
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Treasures Collectors Northern Associates.
151
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:39:00 -
[157] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:
here you go arguing with semantics
What would you do once you got your titan?
unspeakable deeds involving my rectum |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:40:00 -
[158] - Quote
Andski wrote:Stuff
here you go assuming that eve has an end game
It most certainly does, it's called boredom. That's how eve ends.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:41:00 -
[159] - Quote
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:So every miner deserves death?
|
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
218
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:42:00 -
[160] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:So every miner deserves death?
Where do minerals come from then? EGD: If you jettison what's in your brain, at least expect can flipping. |
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4068
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:43:00 -
[161] - Quote
"hey I wonder why that hulk pilot who got blown up is sitting around in his pod, maybe he's lamenting the loss of his ship while continuing to keep at range on asteroids" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:44:00 -
[162] - Quote
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:So every miner deserves death? Where do minerals come from then?
Bots obviously.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4068
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:45:00 -
[163] - Quote
hey guys remember when Sreegs showed the percentages of bots banned by region
remember how the lion's share of them were in hisec
that was hilarious "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:45:00 -
[164] - Quote
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:So every miner deserves death? Where do minerals come from then?
Well, the miners we can't kill obviously. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:45:00 -
[165] - Quote
Andski wrote:hey guys remember when Sreegs showed the percentages of bots banned by region
remember how the lion's share of them were in hisec
that was hilarious
That is because highsec is where the nullsec bot alts go to pull cosmic **** tons of trit. Oh snap! I put egg on your face.... sorry.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:47:00 -
[166] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:hey guys remember when Sreegs showed the percentages of bots banned by region
remember how the lion's share of them were in hisec
that was hilarious That is because highsec is where the nullsec bot alts go to pull cosmic **** tons of trit. Oh snap! I put egg on your face.... sorry.
Trit being the huge earner that it is, it makes plenty of sense that 'botters' in 0.0 would abandon their great mineral sources for ****** ones. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4068
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:47:00 -
[167] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:When I'm in warp, they're going pop. Doesn't matter if they're aligned (lol) or have warp core stabs or reinforced bulkheads. Before I go in warp I know how they're fit, where they're aligned to (if) and how much dps (within +/- 5%) it will take to kill them.
I've seen aligned carriers/dreads dodge doomsdays. A Hulk has superior mobility to both. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Whitehound
248
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:47:00 -
[168] - Quote
Andski wrote:here you go assuming that eve has an end game No, you do. I am neither flying a Titan or gank Hulks.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
218
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:47:00 -
[169] - Quote
Is this about miners or bots? If there were no bots, would there still be all this hate for roid gnawers? EGD: If you jettison what's in your brain, at least expect can flipping. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:49:00 -
[170] - Quote
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Is this about miners or bots? If there were no bots, would there still be all this hate for roid gnawers?
People are always going to pick on players who can't fit tanks.
And the reality is, if hulks were given more slots for tanking, players would just fill them with more mining mods. |
|
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
40
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:50:00 -
[171] - Quote
Andski wrote:hey guys remember when Sreegs showed the percentages of bots banned by region
remember how the lion's share of them were in hisec
that was hilarious
Everytime someone mentions 70% of characters being high sec players, I then read how the vast majority of people in high sec are really alts of 0.0 people etc
You 0.0 types really should knock off the bot mining in high sec it's wrong |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
152
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:50:00 -
[172] - Quote
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Is this about miners or bots? If there were no bots, would there still be all this hate for roid gnawers?
Only for miners that act like bots. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:51:00 -
[173] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Trit being the huge earner that it is, it makes plenty of sense that 'botters' in 0.0 would abandon their great mineral sources for ****** ones.
It's not a hug ISK earner, and I now see that you have no idea how all this works (which explains your ludicrous counter arguments) Supercapitals req massive amounts of trit, we are talking about billions and billions of units of tritium to generate a constant flow of capitals and supercapital production. The best way to get all of that trit is to farm all day in the safety of empire... all the live long day.
It is not about ISK, it is about the uninterrupted yield. * Eternum educates a probie goon.
|
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
61
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:52:00 -
[174] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:I read in another thread that someone was upset he couldn't make a gay looking avatar, he obviously hasn't seen yours
I can't tell if you're trying to insult me with this but I actually thank you for noticing my creative efforts. Eve avatars are serious business, more so than eve itself! |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:53:00 -
[175] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Trit being the huge earner that it is, it makes plenty of sense that 'botters' in 0.0 would abandon their great mineral sources for ****** ones. It's not a hug ISK earner, and I now see that you have no idea how all this works (which explains your ludicrous counter arguments) Supercapitals req massive amounts of trit, we are talking about billions and billions of units of tritium to generate a constant flow of capitals and supercapital production. They best way to get all of that trit is to farm all day in the safety of empire... all the live long day. It is not about ISK, it is about the uninterrupted yield. * Eternum educates a probie goon.
We have trit in 0.0 too. Veldspar as far as the eye can see, and you don't need to compress and move it.
Thanks for teaching me about supercapital production though, you have certainly educated me as to what goes into making a supercapital class space vessel. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
152
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:54:00 -
[176] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote: When I'm in warp, they're going pop. Doesn't matter if they're aligned (lol) or have warp core stabs or reinforced bulkheads. Before I go in warp I know how they're fit, where they're aligned to (if) and how much dps (within +/- 5%) it will take to kill them.
The only thing that's an argument against is ship scanners, maybe. |
Whitehound
248
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:54:00 -
[177] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Trit being the huge earner that it is, it makes plenty of sense that 'botters' in 0.0 would abandon their great mineral sources for ****** ones. It's not a hug ISK earner, and I now see that you have no idea how all this works (which explains your ludicrous counter arguments) Supercapitals req massive amounts of trit, we are talking about billions and billions of units of tritium to generate a constant flow of capitals and supercapital production. The best way to get all of that trit is to farm all day in the safety of empire... all the live long day. It is not about ISK, it is about the uninterrupted yield. * Eternum educates a probie goon. Oh noes, Eternum desdoyed pic of high-sects n00bs. Naw ther all segret 0.0 blobblers.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:55:00 -
[178] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
We have trit in 0.0 too. Veldspar as far as the eye can see, and you don't need to compress and move it.
Thanks for teaching me about supercapital production though, you have certainly educated me as to what goes into making a supercapital class space vessel.
You do have veld out there yes, but you don't want to spend all of that time mining it. It is better if you AFK large botting fleets in empire that do not have to worry about reds in system. The trit is then compressed by manufacturing capital ship size ammo, and then it is jump-freighted to nullsec to be reprocessed back into trit.
This way all you have to do is mine the high ends. The bots do all of the leg work for you in empire. Pulling a billion units of trit is hard work yo.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4069
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:56:00 -
[179] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Trit being the huge earner that it is, it makes plenty of sense that 'botters' in 0.0 would abandon their great mineral sources for ****** ones. It's not a hug ISK earner, and I now see that you have no idea how all this works (which explains your ludicrous counter arguments) Supercapitals req massive amounts of trit, we are talking about billions and billions of units of tritium to generate a constant flow of capitals and supercapital production. The best way to get all of that trit is to farm all day in the safety of empire... all the live long day. It is not about ISK, it is about the uninterrupted yield. * Eternum educates a probie goon.
You understand that we have been buying all of the minerals we need for supercapital production rather than making any attempt to mine them ourselves, right? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:57:00 -
[180] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Oh noes, Eternum desdoyed pic of high-sects n00bs. Naw ther all segret 0.0 blobblers.
Noobs don't run bots in mining fleets. FYI. Did you forget to take your medication again?
|
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:57:00 -
[181] - Quote
Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Trit being the huge earner that it is, it makes plenty of sense that 'botters' in 0.0 would abandon their great mineral sources for ****** ones. It's not a hug ISK earner, and I now see that you have no idea how all this works (which explains your ludicrous counter arguments) Supercapitals req massive amounts of trit, we are talking about billions and billions of units of tritium to generate a constant flow of capitals and supercapital production. The best way to get all of that trit is to farm all day in the safety of empire... all the live long day. It is not about ISK, it is about the uninterrupted yield. * Eternum educates a probie goon. You understand that we have been buying all of the minerals we need for supercapital production rather than making any attempt to mine them ourselves, right?
No you see, he is educating us about supercapital production. Because obviously, we'd have no experience with that :( |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:57:00 -
[182] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
We have trit in 0.0 too. Veldspar as far as the eye can see, and you don't need to compress and move it.
Thanks for teaching me about supercapital production though, you have certainly educated me as to what goes into making a supercapital class space vessel.
You do have veld out there yes, but you don't want to spend all of that time mining it. It is better if you AFK large botting fleets in empire that do not have to worry about reds in system. The trit is then compressed by manufacturing capital ship size ammo, and then it is jump-freighted to nullsec to be reprocessed back into trit. This way all you have to do is mine the high ends. The bots do all of the leg work for you in empire. Pulling a billion units of trit is hard work yo.
But you haven't explained to me why this mythical bot army can't do the same job in 0.0 where, as I said, you don't have to compress and move it. Because the thing about trit is that you can't compress it without the high ends as well. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4069
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:58:00 -
[183] - Quote
I love the pubbies trying to teach Doctor Ungabungas about building supercaps "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:00:00 -
[184] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote: But you haven't explained to me why this mythical bot army can't do the same job in 0.0 where, as I said, you don't have to compress and move it. Because the thing about trit is that you can't compress it without the high ends as well.
Sure I have you just have reading comp issues.
Bots don't like when reds enter system. It requires work to patrol an area of space, it would need roaming defense fleets and your bots in null would be supportable to AFK cloakers and black ops attacks. In empire you don't have to worry about any of these things.
Sure you get the odd ganker, but the over all benefit of mining veld 23/7 without interruption far outweighs the loss of a random hullk, being that your goal is supercapital production. I knows all your secrets bra.
Quote:You understand that we have been buying all of the minerals we need for supercapital production rather than making any attempt to mine them ourselves, right?
Some of it is bought sure, but where do you think that trit comes from? Empire bots.
|
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
40
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:00:00 -
[185] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
But you haven't explained to me why this mythical bot army can't do the same job in 0.0 where, as I said, you don't have to compress and move it. Because the thing about trit is that you can't compress it without the high ends as well.
Ah that's why you wanted to buy all those miners on ebay earlier in the thread.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:00:00 -
[186] - Quote
Andski wrote:I love the pubbies trying to teach Doctor Ungabungas about building supercaps
Hey now, there's obviously something that this high sec dude knows that I haven't discovered in the 40 supercarriers and 6 titans I've built.
Let the guy speak. |
Dapud
2
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:00:00 -
[187] - Quote
The day you post something on your main and someone convo's you and says "haha that was funny what you said" or "I liek that" you will understand why people use alts.
It doesn't really matter as you can clearly see what the person's agenda is and make assumptions from there. Unless you're some internet tuffguy dipshit who's going to lolwardec or something? Which I assume everyone is who cries about alts. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:00:00 -
[188] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
But you haven't explained to me why this mythical bot army can't do the same job in 0.0 where, as I said, you don't have to compress and move it. Because the thing about trit is that you can't compress it without the high ends as well.
Ah that's why you wanted to buy all those miners on ebay earlier in the thread.
The thing about buying characters for Isk is that they don't cost any money, you crazy man. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4069
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:01:00 -
[189] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: But you haven't explained to me why this mythical bot army can't do the same job in 0.0 where, as I said, you don't have to compress and move it. Because the thing about trit is that you can't compress it without the high ends as well.
Sure I have you just have reading comp issues. Bots don't like when reds enter system. It requires work to patrol an area of space, it would need roaming defense fleets and your bots in null would be supportable to AFK cloakers and black ops attacks. In empire you don't have to worry about any of these things. Sure you get the odd ganker, but the over all benefit of mining veld 23/7 without interruption far outweighs the loss of a random hullk, being that your goal is supercapital production. I knows all your secrets bra.
ah so what you're saying is that high-sec is safer "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:01:00 -
[190] - Quote
Dapud wrote:The day you post something on your main and someone convo's you and says "haha that was funny what you said" or "I liek that" you will understand why people use alts.
Objection: That has never happened to you.
|
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4069
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:02:00 -
[191] - Quote
I mean really if I want to learn about building supercapitals Eternum Praetorian is my go-to guy "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:02:00 -
[192] - Quote
Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: But you haven't explained to me why this mythical bot army can't do the same job in 0.0 where, as I said, you don't have to compress and move it. Because the thing about trit is that you can't compress it without the high ends as well.
Sure I have you just have reading comp issues. Bots don't like when reds enter system. It requires work to patrol an area of space, it would need roaming defense fleets and your bots in null would be supportable to AFK cloakers and black ops attacks. In empire you don't have to worry about any of these things. Sure you get the odd ganker, but the over all benefit of mining veld 23/7 without interruption far outweighs the loss of a random hullk, being that your goal is supercapital production. I knows all your secrets bra. ah so what you're saying is that high-sec is safer
For an undefended mining fleet funded by null sec tycoons? Um... yes? Also the minerals you purchase come from the same place whether you know it or not.
|
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:03:00 -
[193] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:So every miner deserves death? Where do minerals come from then? Bots obviously.
Goons should KNOW this. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:03:00 -
[194] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: But you haven't explained to me why this mythical bot army can't do the same job in 0.0 where, as I said, you don't have to compress and move it. Because the thing about trit is that you can't compress it without the high ends as well.
Sure I have you just have reading comp issues. Bots don't like when reds enter system. It requires work to patrol an area of space, it would need roaming defense fleets and your bots in null would be supportable to AFK cloakers and black ops attacks. In empire you don't have to worry about any of these things. Sure you get the odd ganker, but the over all benefit of mining veld 23/7 without interruption far outweighs the loss of a random hullk, being that your goal is supercapital production. I knows all your secrets bra. ah so what you're saying is that high-sec is safer For an undefended mining fleet funded by null sec tycoons? Um... yes? Also the minerals you purchase come from the same place whether you know it or not.
You still haven't given us a good reason why we wouldn't do this mining in 0.0? Because like I said, trit by itself in empire is completely useless for supercapital building. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4069
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:04:00 -
[195] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:For an undefended mining fleet funded by null sec tycoons? Um... yes? Also the minerals you purchase come from the same place whether you know it or not.
yeah, up until literally two weeks ago, guess where they came from?
drone alloys and melted mission loot, whoops "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:04:00 -
[196] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:So every miner deserves death? Where do minerals come from then? Bots obviously. Goons should KNOW this.
In my experience minerals come from "Jita 4-4". |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:05:00 -
[197] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:ridiculous pyramid post
You still haven't given us a good reason why we wouldn't do this mining in 0.0? Because like I said, trit by itself in empire is completely useless for supercapital building.
I did several times, but I understand why you would want to divert attention from it. It would be hard to seem "cool" if the truth of empire bots came out, where the minerals were going and who was ultimately responsible for the bots.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4069
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:05:00 -
[198] - Quote
hey hisec guy give me a ballpark figure on how much tritanium is needed for a titan "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
405
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:05:00 -
[199] - Quote
Andski wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:When I'm in warp, they're going pop. Doesn't matter if they're aligned (lol) or have warp core stabs or reinforced bulkheads. Before I go in warp I know how they're fit, where they're aligned to (if) and how much dps (within +/- 5%) it will take to kill them. I've seen aligned carriers/dreads dodge doomsdays. A Hulk has superior mobility to both. Swing and a miss...
Apples and Oranges.
Carriers / Dreads are going to have a support fleet around them, I bet they get 10 times the warning of Hulks/Macs. And before you say it, mining does get done with group support. So that takes a **** return, and divides it by whatever.
If I decide a mac or hulk is going down, and I get into warp, they are dead.
period.
Spin it whatever way you want, there is only *one* safe place for a mac/hulk if someone is looking to gank them - stations. Carriers and dreads get tackled and free'd all the time.
Not the same.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
40
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:06:00 -
[200] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
The thing about buying characters for Isk is that they don't cost any money, you crazy man.
You were talking about buying characters from people that had rage quit eve.
Why would someone playing a different game take ISK in a game they don't play any more Sounds fishy to me |
|
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
513
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:06:00 -
[201] - Quote
Hey OP, not everyone in highsec is a NPC corp alt posting, hulk flying whiny shitlord like you.
Please stop trying to destroy the spirit of the game by begging CCP to make you invincible in highsec. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:06:00 -
[202] - Quote
Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:For an undefended mining fleet funded by null sec tycoons? Um... yes? Also the minerals you purchase come from the same place whether you know it or not. yeah, up until literally two weeks ago, guess where they came from?
Wait what? There were bots in the drone regions? Neva!
...Hmm but what did the other alliances that did not live in the drone regions do? Oh yea!
|
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:06:00 -
[203] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Whitehound wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Hulk has a better tank than t1 barges, and can tank many null sec rat spawns. Description is fine. And 0.0 is a single-player game. Sure, bro. Eve isn't a single player game. For me it is not, but for you Goons it is. "We are all only pieces of a boring game" to you.
Id imagine Burn Jita and them sponsoring hulkageddon etc is cause theyre just getting bored in their vaunted 0.0. If its so fun out there why are you looking inward to high? "for the lulz" right? If you listened to ppl in null theyd pretend there are lulz to be had in 0.0.
Isnt that right?
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4071
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:06:00 -
[204] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I did several times, but I understand why you would want to divert attention from it. It would be hard to seem "cool" if the truth of empire bots came out, where the minerals were going and who was ultimately responsible for the bots.
yeah and it was obviously kept under wraps until well-known powerbroker Eternum Praetorian blew it wide open "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:06:00 -
[205] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:ridiculous pyramid post
You still haven't given us a good reason why we wouldn't do this mining in 0.0? Because like I said, trit by itself in empire is completely useless for supercapital building. I did several times, but I understand why you would want to divert attention from it. It would be hard to seem "cool" if the truth of empire bots came out, where the minerals were going and who was ultimately responsible for the bots.
I'll ask again since you refuse to answer it: How are we getting this mythical pile of empire trit to 0.0? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4071
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:07:00 -
[206] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:If I decide a mac or hulk is going down, and I get into warp, they are dead.
oh look that catalyst is landing in the belt and he's flashy, good thing I'm aligned *clicks warp* "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:08:00 -
[207] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:ridiculous pyramid post
You still haven't given us a good reason why we wouldn't do this mining in 0.0? Because like I said, trit by itself in empire is completely useless for supercapital building. I did several times, but I understand why you would want to divert attention from it. It would be hard to seem "cool" if the truth of empire bots came out, where the minerals were going and who was ultimately responsible for the bots. I'll ask again since you refuse to answer it: How are we getting this mythical pile of empire trit to 0.0?
I have not refused anything, saying that I refused something to push my answer off of the front page does not change the fact that answers were given several times. Maybe you should address my points and develop some kind of valid counter argument instead?
You will look less guilty.
|
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:09:00 -
[208] - Quote
Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I did several times, but I understand why you would want to divert attention from it. It would be hard to seem "cool" if the truth of empire bots came out, where the minerals were going and who was ultimately responsible for the bots.
yeah and it was obviously kept under wraps until well-known powerbroker Eternum Praetorian blew it wide open
No it's fairly well known, just not spoken of much because the trolls want to keep it under wraps as best they can on an open forum. That is where Eternum comes in.
|
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:10:00 -
[209] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Goons should KNOW this.
In my experience minerals come from "Jita 4-4".
Ah yes Goons dont mine
(we have our RMT corp do that for us)
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:10:00 -
[210] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: I'll ask again since you refuse to answer it: How are we getting this mythical pile of empire trit to 0.0?
I have not refused anything, saying that I refused something to push my answer off of the front page does not change the fact that answers were given several times. Maybe you should address my points and develop some kind of valid counter argument instead? You will look less guilty.
How is this trit getting from empire to 0.0? If you can't move it, it's useless for supercap building. |
|
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:12:00 -
[211] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote: Spin it whatever way you want, there is only *one* safe place for a mac/hulk if someone is looking to gank them - stations. .
wonder how long toll Goons get their BFFs to fix this exploit?
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
405
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:12:00 -
[212] - Quote
Andski wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:If I decide a mac or hulk is going down, and I get into warp, they are dead. oh look that catalyst is landing in the belt and he's flashy, good thing I'm aligned *clicks warp* Yeah, your right, I've never killed a mac / hulk that's being piloted. Every hulk/mac is a macro'er/botter. God I feel so much better now.
Horseshit.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:12:00 -
[213] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:How is this trit getting from empire to 0.0? If you can't move it, it's useless for supercap building.
Are you like.... reading my posts at all? You were told already.
1.) You take the trit 2.) You make capital ship ammo out of it in empire (effectively compressing the trit) 3.) You JF it to nullsec 4.) You reprocess it for near perfect return in yield.
It is common knowledge that people do this. So try harder.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:14:00 -
[214] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:How is this trit getting from empire to 0.0? If you can't move it, it's useless for supercap building. Are you like.... reading my posts at all? You were told already. 1.) You take the trit 2.) You make capital ship ammo out of it in empire (effectively compressing the trit) 3.) You JF it to nullsec 4.) You reprocess it for near perfect return in yield. It is common knowledge that people do this. So try harder.
I know how mineral compression works. So tell me, how are you compressing it without the high ends?
And how is this superior to just buying all the minerals in empire off the market? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4071
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:14:00 -
[215] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Every hulk/mac is a macro'er/botter.
that's closer to the truth than you think
oh wait nobody bots in highsec, right? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
40
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:17:00 -
[216] - Quote
Andski wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Every hulk/mac is a macro'er/botter. that's closer to the truth than you think oh wait nobody bots in highsec, right?
All those alts of 0.0 people bot in high sec.. I'd ban them personally. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:17:00 -
[217] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
I know how mineral compression works. So tell me, how are you compressing it without the high ends?
And how is this superior to just buying all the minerals in empire off the market?
It just takes a little bit of market trickery to make it worth while. The key element here is the ability to mine epic amount of trit, all that you could ever need, EVERYWHERE in empire, 23/7 without the need of a support fleet. This is how non-drone region alliances did it before the drone region nerf, and now that they have been nerfed, even the Russians are going to have to do more of this.
Quote:And how is this superior to just buying all the minerals in empire off the market?[
It does not matter whether or not it is superior. Where do you think that all that trit on the market comes from then? If you don't mine it that way for yourself, others are mining it that way for you.
Not to mention the most obvious answer, why by what you can bot? It is more economical to bot.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4072
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:17:00 -
[218] - Quote
"heh some hulk pilot i killed 5 hours ago just sent me a rage evemail after he was in his pod for hours in the belt where I killed him, he was obviously such an enthusiastic miner that he didn't notice that he was dead" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
156
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:18:00 -
[219] - Quote
Poasting in pointless miner-tears vs goon-bears shitfight #1945 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4072
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:18:00 -
[220] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:where do you think that all that trit comes from then?
hisec macrominers like you! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
|
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:19:00 -
[221] - Quote
Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:where do you think that all that trit comes from then? hisec macrominers like you!
A goon is losing an argument. He submits a fail troll post that should otherwise be beneath his standards, but has no choice but to post Blah Blah to divert attention from the truth.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4072
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:20:00 -
[222] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:where do you think that all that trit comes from then? hisec macrominers like you! A goon is losing an argument. He submits a fail troll post that should otherwise be beneath his standards, but has no choice but to post Blah Blah to divert attention from the truth.
How is this any different from your stupid tinfoil nonsense about nullsec residents, who have access to far superior income sources, macromining veldspar in hisec? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
405
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:21:00 -
[223] - Quote
Andski wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Every hulk/mac is a macro'er/botter. that's closer to the truth than you think oh wait nobody bots in highsec, right? Far as we could tell, of the batch that we dispatched, only four or five displayed "bot-like" behavior. Haulers warping in/back (to empty cans), their pod warping out/in to station belt, etc.
Most convo'd us and asked why that happened (or complained/whined/moaned) most were rather decent about it. Most warped their pods out asap.
Also (but nice try at deflection) I have never denied their being bottiing in hi-sec. Not everyone in a hulk/mac is a bot. Not every bot is in a hulk/mac/hi-sec...
OP is a whiny little troll, no doubt about it. But he's still a defenseless little troll, unless his hulk/mac is in station.
To be entirely honest, we did miss one Mac - landed on the far side of Ice and ended up bouncing - he warped off. Nothing he did saved him (other than warping) - it was the 'roid that saved him.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:22:00 -
[224] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote: It does not matter whether or not it is superior. Where do you think that all that trit on the market comes from then? If you don't mine it that way for yourself, others are mining it that way for you.
Not to mention the most obvious answer, why by what you can bot? It is more economical to bot.
Perhaps, but if you do insist on botting (which is kind of creepy you know) why wouldn't you just bot up the isk to buy the minerals?
And yes, I'm sure the market trickery you are talking about is going to let you make capital ship ammo without high end minerals.
I've personally built hundreds of billions of isk worth of supercapital ships, and every single one was built using minerals sourced from Jita and compacted into a wide variety of mods (not just ammo), of course that was before the compression nerf.
If you do insist on mining yourself because you are a sadist there is really no good reason why you would take on the extra hassle of compressing it when the minerals are freely available right at your build site. |
Whitehound
248
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:23:00 -
[225] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound wrote:Oh noes, Eternum desdoyed pic of high-sects n00bs. Naw ther all segret 0.0 blobblers. Noobs don't run bots in mining fleets. FYI. Did you forget to take your medication again? I did not know I was supposed to take any.
Anyhow, it is difficult to prove any of this, which makes it extremely useful as argument in this kind of discussion. Hard to stay serious, really.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:23:00 -
[226] - Quote
Andski wrote:How is this any different from your stupid tinfoil nonsense about nullsec residents, who have access to far superior income sources, macromining veldspar in hisec?
If you have not read the last two pages, vividly describing the who, what, when and how... I can't help you. I am not going to pyramid post 2 pages worth of posting for a troll who won't even read it, after it was reposted a second time.
So I guess you can't come up with a valid counterargument then? Ok. I do understand, being that this is how the game is commonly played these days. It is hard to divert attention from common practice.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4072
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:23:00 -
[227] - Quote
The problem is that they choose to be defenseless. Fit a mediocre tank and pack a set of medium ECM drones and your chances of survival are that much better. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
762
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:24:00 -
[228] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: It does not matter whether or not it is superior. Where do you think that all that trit on the market comes from then? If you don't mine it that way for yourself, others are mining it that way for you.
Not to mention the most obvious answer, why by what you can bot? It is more economical to bot.
Perhaps, but if you do insist on botting (which is kind of creepy you know) why wouldn't you just bot up the isk to buy the minerals? And yes, I'm sure the market trickery you are talking about is going to let you make capital ship ammo without high end minerals. I've personally built hundreds of billions of isk worth of supercapital ships, and every single one was built using minerals sourced from Jita and compacted into a wide variety of mods (not just ammo), of course that was before the compression nerf. If you do insist on mining yourself because you are a sadist there is really no good reason why you would take on the extra hassle of compressing it when the minerals are freely available right at your build site.
Perhaps you have done it this way... But you fail to take into account where all the trit that you are buying comes from.
Also, high ends are shipped to empire... that is how you get it in empire. Your pretend reasoning is not a sensible counter argument under any reasonable scrutiny.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:25:00 -
[229] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:So I guess you can't come up with a valid counterargument then? Ok. I do understand, being that this is how the game is commonly played these days. It is hard to divert attention from common practice.
You are trying to say that for some reason 0.0 empires are desperate for the trit in empire to the point where they would -mine it themselves- rather than paying pubbies to do it for a pittance. |
Bane Necran
460
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:25:00 -
[230] - Quote
Andski wrote:Oh and while you toss that whole "hurrr 300 mil ship dying to a much cheaper one" you should probably stay out of nullsec where expensive ships die to much, much cheaper ones all the time
see ratting tengus dying to solo hurricanes
Yeah, Tengus never get destroyed like that in hisec.
You'll have a point when we start seeing cap ships ganked by a battleship, or even a cruiser.
"It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
|
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
500
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:25:00 -
[231] - Quote
Andski wrote:The problem is that they choose to be defenseless. Fit a mediocre tank and pack a set of medium ECM drones and your chances of survival are that much better. That would require the miners to be able to use ECM drones in the first place... Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:26:00 -
[232] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: It does not matter whether or not it is superior. Where do you think that all that trit on the market comes from then? If you don't mine it that way for yourself, others are mining it that way for you.
Not to mention the most obvious answer, why by what you can bot? It is more economical to bot.
Perhaps, but if you do insist on botting (which is kind of creepy you know) why wouldn't you just bot up the isk to buy the minerals? And yes, I'm sure the market trickery you are talking about is going to let you make capital ship ammo without high end minerals. I've personally built hundreds of billions of isk worth of supercapital ships, and every single one was built using minerals sourced from Jita and compacted into a wide variety of mods (not just ammo), of course that was before the compression nerf. If you do insist on mining yourself because you are a sadist there is really no good reason why you would take on the extra hassle of compressing it when the minerals are freely available right at your build site. Perhaps you have done it this way... But you fail to take into account where all the trit that you are buying comes from. Also, high ends are shipped to empire... that is how you get it in empire.
Ok, so now your business model is: 1. Mine high ends in 0.0. 2. Move these to Jita. 3. Mine trit. 4. Compress all this ****. 5. Move it back to 0.0
I can see how that is way more efficient than just mining it in 0.0 to start with. You're on a winner there.
PS: The real winner here is the player that pays isk for the minerals rather than mining them on their own/ |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
765
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:26:00 -
[233] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So I guess you can't come up with a valid counterargument then? Ok. I do understand, being that this is how the game is commonly played these days. It is hard to divert attention from common practice. You are trying to say that for some reason 0.0 empires are desperate for the trit in empire to the point where they would -mine it themselves- rather than paying pubbies to do it for a pittance.
No. I am saying multiple account holding, multi-boxing RMT'ers fuel the vast portion of supercapitals presently in the game, with their ludicrous amounts of mineral acquisitions. And all major alliances benefit from this form of EULA violating metagaming.
|
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
41
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:27:00 -
[234] - Quote
nerf compression completely |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4074
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:28:00 -
[235] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So I guess you can't come up with a valid counterargument then? Ok. I do understand, being that this is how the game is commonly played these days. It is hard to divert attention from common practice. You are trying to say that for some reason 0.0 empires are desperate for the trit in empire to the point where they would -mine it themselves- rather than paying pubbies to do it for a pittance. No. I am saying multiple account holding, multi-boxing RMT'ers fuel the vast portion of supercapitals presently in the game, with their ludicrous amounts of mineral acquisitions. And all major alliances benefit from this form of EULA violating metagaming.
Oh, so these RMTers are naturally associated with alliances, because "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4074
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:29:00 -
[236] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Ok, so now your business model is: 1. Mine high ends in 0.0. 2. Move these to Jita. 3. Mine trit. 4. Compress all this ****. 5. Move it back to 0.0
I can see how that is way more efficient than just mining it in 0.0 to start with. You're on a winner there.
I know where the trit I buy in empire comes from, but I really don't understand why 'mining everying in 0.0' is somehow worse than 'mining high ends in 0.0, moving mining fleet to high sec, mining low ends in empire'.
PS: The real winner here is the player that pays isk for the minerals rather than mining them on their own/
You see, Doc, if you mine it yourself, it's free! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:29:00 -
[237] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So I guess you can't come up with a valid counterargument then? Ok. I do understand, being that this is how the game is commonly played these days. It is hard to divert attention from common practice. You are trying to say that for some reason 0.0 empires are desperate for the trit in empire to the point where they would -mine it themselves- rather than paying pubbies to do it for a pittance. No. I am saying multiple account holding, multi-boxing RMT'ers fuel the vast portion of supercapitals presently in the game, with their ludicrous amounts of mineral acquisitions. And all major alliances benefit from this form of EULA violating metagaming.
Absolutely, but when you buy trit off the market you have no way of filtering the 'bad trit' from the 'good farm grown trit'. If I could buy 'honestly farmed trit only', I would.
PS: There is still no reason why you would relocate your 0.0 mining empire to high sec to mine veldspar, there is plenty in 0.0. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
156
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:29:00 -
[238] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:No. I am saying multiple account holding, multi-boxing RMT'ers fuel the vast portion of supercapitals presently in the game, with their ludicrous amounts of mineral acquisitions. And all major alliances benefit from this form of EULA violating metagaming. He just pulled out the RMT card. This **** just got real. |
Whitehound
249
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:30:00 -
[239] - Quote
Speaking of botters... Now that CCP is kicking botters out, why is this not creating more trust in the remaining players that they are not botters?
It is probably because there is no real cure for paranoia or something. Those who have not been identified as botters are probably just really very tricky botters and hard to identify.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
765
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:31:00 -
[240] - Quote
Andski wrote:Oh, so these RMTers are naturally associated with alliances, because
Because null sec is where all of the best digital money is at. It is the most effective way to turn massive quantities of game ISK to real life money.
|
|
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
623
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:31:00 -
[241] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Rico Minali wrote:I play in Hisec and Nullsec.
I have ice miners in nullsec and the risk of losing a whole fleet by missing even a few seconds of intel is huge. The same with hauling anything around. You think smartbombing BSs are bad with their 5km range? 4 or 5 stealth bombers can murder an entire fleet in one bombing run even if your fleet is spread out.
In nullsec you pay bilions of isk for your services, upgrades and so on, your intel is player run, your safety is in teh hands of your freinds.
I have a Mack/Hulk pilot in Hisec I mine afk alot, I fly around alot, I haul stuff alot adn I have never once lost a ship in hundreds and hundreds of hours hisec mining and hauling.
In hisec I dont pay anything for any upgrades, I dont need intel, i dont need scouts, i dont need roaming home defence fleets, I dont even need to be at my keyboard.
Dont assume that just because people play their main game in nullsec that they dont also play in hisec too. It makes you look stupid.
um.... try it in highsec during hulkageddon then feel re-re when you lose it. Stop being the good little Goon BB er BFF DarthNefarius wrote:Protest thru unsubbing then Meant as a troll I know but amazingly good idea as the summer of QQ told us.
I just dont mine during hulkageddon, because that would be stupid. It isnt hard. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
41
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:32:00 -
[242] - Quote
Got nothing to do with trust, we pretty much just don't like each other. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:32:00 -
[243] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:Oh, so these RMTers are naturally associated with alliances, because Because null sec is where all of the best digital money is at. It is the most effective way to turn massive quantities of game ISK to real life money.
So all of the people with the 'best digital money' at their fingertips need to run bot empires in high sec for 5 million isk an hour.
Now the story has legs.
And it's walking right out the door. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
765
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:34:00 -
[244] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote: PS: There is still no reason why you would relocate your 0.0 mining empire to high sec to mine veldspar, there is plenty in 0.0.
Yes there is, and the reason has been repeatedly stated. You want your AFK moon minerals, and you want your AFK mining fleet that can mine unimpeded and without interruption. If you did so in null, your enemies would park AFK cloaking black ops ships in your systems and prevent your baby titans being born before your towers were even impregnated with sperm.
Your player member base does not want to exert nor the time nor the effort involved in protecting a long term mining operation. So doing so in empire is far more economical in terms of time vs ease vs yield.
See? I know all of your secrets.
|
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
500
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:35:00 -
[245] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Speaking of botters... Now that CCP is kicking botters out, why is this not creating more trust in the remaining players that they are not botters? It is probably because there is no real cure for paranoia or something. Those who have not been identified as botters are probably just really very tricky botters and hard to identify. Mining barges can drop decent loot which is a good reason as any to suicide them. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:35:00 -
[246] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: PS: There is still no reason why you would relocate your 0.0 mining empire to high sec to mine veldspar, there is plenty in 0.0.
Yes there is, and the reason has been repeatedly stated. You want your AFK moon minerals, and you want your AFK mining fleet that can mine unimpeded and without interruption. If you did so in null, your enemies would park AFK cloaking black ops ships in your systems and prevent your baby titans being born before your towers were even impregnated with sperm.
So this cloaking dude doesn't stop us mining high ends, but is someone able to stop us mining veldspar.
Man, he's good. He's real good. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
765
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:36:00 -
[247] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:So all of the people with the 'best digital money' at their fingertips need to run bot empires in high sec for 5 million isk an hour.
No, the question was what do RMT'ers and alliances have in common. That was the answer to that question and that question only, not your invented insinuation.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:36:00 -
[248] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: PS: There is still no reason why you would relocate your 0.0 mining empire to high sec to mine veldspar, there is plenty in 0.0.
Yes there is, and the reason has been repeatedly stated. You want your AFK moon minerals, and you want your AFK mining fleet that can mine unimpeded and without interruption. If you did so in null, your enemies would park AFK cloaking black ops ships in your systems and prevent your baby titans being born before your towers were even impregnated with sperm. Your player member base does not want to exert nor the time nor the effort involved in protecting a long term mining operation. So doing so in empire is far more economical in terms of time vs ease vs yield. See? I know all of your secrets.
let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them
interesting "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
766
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:37:00 -
[249] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: PS: There is still no reason why you would relocate your 0.0 mining empire to high sec to mine veldspar, there is plenty in 0.0.
Yes there is, and the reason has been repeatedly stated. You want your AFK moon minerals, and you want your AFK mining fleet that can mine unimpeded and without interruption. If you did so in null, your enemies would park AFK cloaking black ops ships in your systems and prevent your baby titans being born before your towers were even impregnated with sperm. So this cloaking dude doesn't stop us mining high ends, but is someone able to stop us mining veldspar. Man, he's good. He's real good.
Sense, your post makes none.
|
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
766
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:38:00 -
[250] - Quote
Andski wrote:
let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them
interesting
No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield. It req no effort or patience on their part, being that it is just an alt.
|
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:39:00 -
[251] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:
let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them
interesting
No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield.
yeah because a blackops BS has the range to bridge a gang anywhere in our space "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Whitehound
249
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:39:00 -
[252] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:Whitehound wrote:Speaking of botters... Now that CCP is kicking botters out, why is this not creating more trust in the remaining players that they are not botters? It is probably because there is no real cure for paranoia or something. Those who have not been identified as botters are probably just really very tricky botters and hard to identify. Mining barges can drop decent loot which is a good reason as any to suicide them. What do you do with all those strip miners?
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:40:00 -
[253] - Quote
Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:
let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them
interesting
No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield. yeah because a blackops BS has the range to bridge a gang anywhere in our space
also "playing on my main while waiting for hulks to leave POS shields" while having a "black ops alt cyno toon" (what the ****) parked in a system implies that my main is sitting on a titan or blackops BS
what I'm saying is that you should stop trying to provide your "insights" because you've never left your hisec veldspar belt "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
766
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:41:00 -
[254] - Quote
Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:
let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them
interesting
No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield. yeah because a blackops BS has the range to bridge a gang anywhere in our space
I have one black ops toon, 2 black ops cov cyno alts and one transportship character. You seem to know nothing about Black ops.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:42:00 -
[255] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:
let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them
interesting
No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield. It req no effort or patience on their part, being that it is just an alt.
Ok, so move to another system? Veldspar is in literally every system of the game. If you have a few hulks and a rorqual you can mine in a different system every day if you so choose. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
766
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:43:00 -
[256] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:
let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them
interesting
No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield. It req no effort or patience on their part, being that it is just an alt. Ok, so move to another system? Veldspar is in literally every system of the game. If you have a few hulks and a rorqual you can mine in a different system every day if you so choose.
Let me divine an ingenious counter strategy,. Hmmm.... the covert ops ship moves to!!
Whew, its like fighting Sun Tzu.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:43:00 -
[257] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Whitehound wrote:Speaking of botters... Now that CCP is kicking botters out, why is this not creating more trust in the remaining players that they are not botters? It is probably because there is no real cure for paranoia or something. Those who have not been identified as botters are probably just really very tricky botters and hard to identify. Mining barges can drop decent loot which is a good reason as any to suicide them. What do you do with all those strip miners?
We refine them to get veldspar so we can build our supercarriers. We don't have veldspar in 0.0 so we are scrambling madly for any we can get. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
766
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:44:00 -
[258] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Whitehound wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Whitehound wrote:Speaking of botters... Now that CCP is kicking botters out, why is this not creating more trust in the remaining players that they are not botters? It is probably because there is no real cure for paranoia or something. Those who have not been identified as botters are probably just really very tricky botters and hard to identify. Mining barges can drop decent loot which is a good reason as any to suicide them. What do you do with all those strip miners? We refine them to get veldspar so we can build our supercarriers. We don't have veldspar in 0.0 so we are scrambling madly for any we can get.
I never said that. Read the part about how the empire mining of low ends is more economical in terms of time vs ease vs reward, probie.
|
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
304
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:44:00 -
[259] - Quote
Veldgate. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:45:00 -
[260] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:
let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them
interesting
No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield. It req no effort or patience on their part, being that it is just an alt. Ok, so move to another system? Veldspar is in literally every system of the game. If you have a few hulks and a rorqual you can mine in a different system every day if you so choose. Let me divine an ingenious counter strategy,. Hmmm.... the covert ops ship moves to!! Whew, its like fighting Sun Tzu.
Ok, so you schlep it all the way over the other side of deklein to grief me. Then I use our cyno beacon network to jump back to where I was before. Total downtime: about 3 minutes.
[Better solution: Fit a cyno mod on one of the hulks, destroy your blackops BS and refine the mods into minerals.] |
|
Whitehound
249
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:47:00 -
[261] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Whitehound wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Whitehound wrote:Speaking of botters... Now that CCP is kicking botters out, why is this not creating more trust in the remaining players that they are not botters? It is probably because there is no real cure for paranoia or something. Those who have not been identified as botters are probably just really very tricky botters and hard to identify. Mining barges can drop decent loot which is a good reason as any to suicide them. What do you do with all those strip miners? We refine them to get veldspar so we can build our supercarriers. We don't have veldspar in 0.0 so we are scrambling madly for any we can get. Do Goons have super carriers? I thought most of you were all fapping on some awful Facebook clone of a website.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:49:00 -
[262] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Whitehound wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Whitehound wrote:Speaking of botters... Now that CCP is kicking botters out, why is this not creating more trust in the remaining players that they are not botters? It is probably because there is no real cure for paranoia or something. Those who have not been identified as botters are probably just really very tricky botters and hard to identify. Mining barges can drop decent loot which is a good reason as any to suicide them. What do you do with all those strip miners? We refine them to get veldspar so we can build our supercarriers. We don't have veldspar in 0.0 so we are scrambling madly for any we can get. I never said that. Read the part about how the empire mining of low ends is more economical in terms of time vs ease vs reward, probie.
It's not any harder than mining the high ends though. And I wouldn't have to worry about hulkageddon. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:50:00 -
[263] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I have one black ops toon, 2 black ops cov cyno alts and one transportship character. You seem to know nothing about Black ops.
for one, you probably don't even have JDC V on your blackops character, and even if you did, your jump range is absolutely horrendous so you're far from being a threat to every miner in an entire region
please keep trying to "educate" me regarding things I have a lot more experience than you in "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
766
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:51:00 -
[264] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Ok, so you schlep it all the way over the other side of deklein to grief me. Then I use our cyno beacon network to jump back to where I was before. Total downtime: about 3 minutes.
No. I log off a Cov fleet with a few recons and one 1-2 black ops ship with a few jumps of your mining systems, so you cannot report me for using logoffski exploits. Each toon is an alt of someone else, so they can log them in at will any time of day, while playing on their mains.
I wait until the hulks start mining. I black ops hot drop them and kill a few You counterstruck with a titan hot drop and kill a couple of stealth bombers
You wait We wait.
Your people eventually get tired of waiting. My army of alts regroup and wait for your defense fleet to get involved with something else (protecting miners is boring) My alt army does not get tired of harassing your fleet forever, and they can follow them wherever they go.
This goes on for weeks, all the while you are missing out on minerals that you could be mining far more easily in the safety of empire, on NPC's using bots. All of this has been thought up by people smarted then you already, and this is why mining bots in empire is so prevalent. TBH, prior to the drone region nerf, it was the only way that you guys could compete with the Russian supercapital generating machine.
|
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
766
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:52:00 -
[265] - Quote
Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I have one black ops toon, 2 black ops cov cyno alts and one transportship character. You seem to know nothing about Black ops. for one, you probably don't even have JDC V on your blackops character, and even if you did, your jump range is absolutely horrendous so you're far from being a threat to every miner in an entire region please keep trying to "educate" me regarding things I have a lot more experience than you in
I do have JJC lv 5 as a matter of fact. For your answer see the above post.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:52:00 -
[266] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Ok, so you schlep it all the way over the other side of deklein to grief me. Then I use our cyno beacon network to jump back to where I was before. Total downtime: about 3 minutes.
No. I log off a Cov fleet with a few recons and one black ops ship with a few jumps of your mining systems, so you cannot report me for using logoffski exploits. Each toon is an alt of someone else, so they can log them in at will any time of day, while playing on their mains. I wait until the hulks start mining. I black ops hot drop them and kill a few You counterstruck with a titan hot drop and kill a couple of stealth bombers You wait We wait. Your people eventually get tired of waiting. My army of alts regroup and wait for your defense fleet to get involved with something else (protecting miners is boring) My alt army does not get tired of harassing your fleet forever, and they can follow them wherever they go. This goes on for weeks, all the while you are missing out on minerals that you could be mining far more easily in the safety of empire, on NPC's using bots. All of this has been thought up by people smarted then you already, and this is why mining bots in empire is so prevalent. TBH, prior to the drone region nerf, it was the only way that you guys could compete with the Russian supercapital generating machine.
Every single system in Deklein is a mining system when it comes to mining trit. You're gonna need a lot of alts. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
766
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:53:00 -
[267] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Fail.
Just one or two Cov cyno alts. Running bubbles is easy yo, and cov ships are dirt cheap.
|
Bane Necran
460
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:54:00 -
[268] - Quote
Don't try and reason with these people Eternum. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
61
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:54:00 -
[269] - Quote
Ayame Tao wrote:If a Catalyst can kill your Hulk - you deserve everything you get.
It should take a gang of 5 Catalysts or a couple of Tornados to take down a Hulk - oh wait... it does (when you do it right - avoid popular belts, fit tank, align, watch d-scan. End. Of. Story.)
Align and watching D-Scan only work when you're actually in the belt. You could also get ganked on a gate or at the undock point of certain stations. You'd have no way of scouting it or preventing it, unless you assume that every destroyer in EVE is out to get you (which would make it impossible to move 2 jumps).
A gang of 5 fitted catalysts = 10-15m
Fitted Hulk = 350m
Even if you're not in it for hulkageddon or the loot, ganking hulks is still great for killboard stats. The same goes for jump-freighters which at present cost 7b isk, but can be destroyed by 14-15 tornoados.
A gang of 15 fitted tornados = 1,6-1,7b
Empty jump freighter = 7b
The numbers are disproportionate. I don't mind that you have to watch not sticking too many valuable mods on a fragile ship or loading your cargo bay with too much expensive loot, but the recent surge in grief style play has exposed certain flaws in the whole ganking mechanic. It's too easy. Too little risk is involved. If you have a guy in an orca, you can continuously gank miners, ignoring your -10 sec status, GCC, concord and faction police.
I'm not against high-sec PVP, ganking and griefing in general, but I do think the numbers merit some attention from CCP, and a possible boost to the jumpfreighter and the hulk, to a level where it is less attractive to attack them.
Ayame Tao wrote: Seriously, that's like leaving your Bugatti Veyron unlocked with the keys in in the dodgiest parts of town and expecting it to still be there after you left it fo half an hour to make a sandwich and watch TV.
I like where you're going with this though, using real world crime as an analogy for what to do in EVE. Well in the real world we ensure that the punishment for criminal activity is severe enough to deter most ordinary people from breaking the law. Losing a 2m ISK destroyer and a small and irrelevant detraction of security status is hardly a deterring anyone, so by your logic we should severely increase the punishment of high-sec ganking.
How about a fine? Destruction of property in the real world is fined relatively to the cost of the property destroyed. So you gank a hulk, you get a 300m ISK fine. Easy peasy.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:55:00 -
[270] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Fail. Just one or two Cov cyno alts. Running bubbles is easy yo, and cov ships are dirt cheap.
And when you finally show up, I'll relocate back over the other side of Deklein again. I guarantee you'll get tired of jumping 15-20 jumps at a time before I will get tired of scooping up all my hulks and cynoing out.
Hell, I'm tempted to do this just to make you waste your time. |
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:55:00 -
[271] - Quote
Aron Croup wrote:I'm not against high-sec PVP, ganking and griefing in general, but I do think the numbers merit some attention from CCP, and a possible boost to the jumpfreighter and the hulk, to a level where they can operate in hisec without risk.
just had to fix that for you "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
766
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:56:00 -
[272] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Don't try and reason with these people Eternum.
I know that you can't, but I find it gratifying to remind them that we know exactly what is going on. And so does CCP most likely.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:56:00 -
[273] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Don't try and reason with these people Eternum.
Yeah, don't. We actually have experience with the subject. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:58:00 -
[274] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote: I'll relocate back over the other side of Deklein again. I guarantee you'll get tired of jumping 15-20 jumps at a time before I will get tired of scooping up all my hulks and cynoing out.
To be honest sounds like we need to have an argument with CCP to massively gut capital and jump bridge mobility as you make it sound like it's impossible to impact mining/economy in 0.0.
|
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:58:00 -
[275] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Fail. Just one or two Cov cyno alts. Running bubbles is easy yo, and cov ships are dirt cheap. And when you finally show up, I'll relocate back over the other side of Deklein again. I guarantee you'll get tired of jumping 15-20 jumps at a time before I will get tired of scooping up all my hulks and cynoing out. Hell, I'm tempted to do this just to make you waste your time.
I sure as hell won't, because when your on the move you are not mining and that means that I am succeeding.
Remember, I would only be doing this because I am a drunken wizard hat wearing meta gamer who takes EVE far to seriously to be healthy. I think spaceships are serious business, and all I need is one or two scout toons with my kind of dedication to hot drop an army of cov alts anywhere in your region. I will follow you.
|
Bane Necran
460
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:58:00 -
[276] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Don't try and reason with these people Eternum. I know that you can't, but I find it gratifying to remind them that we know exactly what is going on. And so does CCP most likely
I think CCP is drinking their kool-aid, sadly.
"It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:58:00 -
[277] - Quote
also please feel free to try your blackops concept in Deklein "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:59:00 -
[278] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: I'll relocate back over the other side of Deklein again. I guarantee you'll get tired of jumping 15-20 jumps at a time before I will get tired of scooping up all my hulks and cynoing out.
To be honest sounds like we need to have an argument with CCP to massively gut capital and jump bridge mobility as you make it sound like it's impossible to impact mining/economy in 0.0.
It's plenty possible, you might have to team up to do it though. I know that concept is anathema to you though. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:59:00 -
[279] - Quote
Andski wrote:also please feel free to try your blackops concept in Deklein
I would not half to do it personally, anyone who is organized enough could (and would) stab at you in this way, if you did not secure your assets through other means.
And that is why you secure your assets through other means, regardless of how much you pretend not to do so.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:01:00 -
[280] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote: Remember, I would only be doing this because I am a drunken wizard hat wearing meta gamer who takes EVE far to seriously to be healthy. I think spaceships are serious business, and all I need is one or two scout toons with my kind of dedication to hot drop an army of cov alts anywhere in your region. I will follow you.
Our miners are in Deklein, come get them. |
|
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:01:00 -
[281] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: Remember, I would only be doing this because I am a drunken wizard hat wearing meta gamer who takes EVE far to seriously to be healthy. I think spaceships are serious business, and all I need is one or two scout toons with my kind of dedication to hot drop an army of cov alts anywhere in your region. I will follow you.
Our miners are in Deklein, come get them.
Mining high ends.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:02:00 -
[282] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: Remember, I would only be doing this because I am a drunken wizard hat wearing meta gamer who takes EVE far to seriously to be healthy. I think spaceships are serious business, and all I need is one or two scout toons with my kind of dedication to hot drop an army of cov alts anywhere in your region. I will follow you.
Our miners are in Deklein, come get them. Mining high ends.
Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:02:00 -
[283] - Quote
I realize that you don't understand things but literally nobody in the game operates like that you nutjob "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:03:00 -
[284] - Quote
also the massive hole in your logic, the idea that we don't mine lowends in nullsec because we're constantly permacamped (lol), is that we wouldn't mine high-ends either if that was the case
good god you really need to get back to the drawing board on your next conspiracy theory "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:04:00 -
[285] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on.
I can't help but notice how all counter arguments regarding how "Empire botters are not Null Sec mining alt botters" has completely melted away to "come at me bra".
Whelp. I just wanted you to know, that we know, and your not as smart as you think that you are. It is just that CCP does not give a ****, and so meta gaming continues on. But when you come out and say that most of the bots that were banned were in empire, I will come out and tell you exactly why that is.
Have a nice day... probie
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:04:00 -
[286] - Quote
oh wait, no, our enemies would only disrupt our supercapital production by interdicting the mining of low-ends, but mining high-ends is not worth the trouble "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:05:00 -
[287] - Quote
buuuut it'd make more sense for our enemies to disrupt our mining of high-ends, which is restricted to a handful of systems, rather than our mining of low-ends, which is completely unrestricted "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:06:00 -
[288] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on. I can't help but notice how all counter arguments regarding how "Empire botters are not Null Sec mining alt botters" has completely melted away to "come at me bra". Whelp. I just wanted you to know, that we know, and your not as smart as you think that you are. It is just that CCP does not give a ****, and so meta gaming continues on. But when you come out and say that most of the bots that were banned were in empire, I will come out and tell you exactly why that is. Have a nice day... probie
Of course that's what it's going to boil down to. You claim that somehow you can make life difficult for 0.0 miners to the point where they would mine trit in empire.
Of course you're going to have to backup your claims eventually. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:07:00 -
[289] - Quote
Andski wrote:also the massive hole in your logic, the idea that we don't mine lowends in nullsec because we're constantly permacamped (lol), is that we wouldn't mine high-ends either if that was the case
good god you really need to get back to the drawing board on your next conspiracy theory
You require much less time mining high ends, that you need less of, in fleets boosted by rorqs. That factors into the army of empire bots mining low ends, and ultimately you save an incredible amount of hassle and time.
It is far easier to protect a mining op for the amount of time it takes to pull all the high ends you need, then it is to do the same for all the high ends and low ends. It is the difference between mining all day, every day, and doing more normal mining ops with a definitive beginning and an end.
You are still not going to fool anyone.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:08:00 -
[290] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:You require much less time mining high ends, that you need less of, in fleets boosted by rorqs. That factors into the army of empire bots mining low ends, and ultimately you save an incredible amount of hassle and time.
It is far easier to protect a mining op for the amount of time it takes to pull all the high ends you need, then it is to do the same for all the high ends and low ends. It is the difference between mining all day, every day, and doing more normal mining ops with a definitive beginning and an end.
You are not fooling anyone.
one mining op doesn't provide the high-ends needed for any industrial project of substance
wow i just blew another massive hole in your horrible logic "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:08:00 -
[291] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:also the massive hole in your logic, the idea that we don't mine lowends in nullsec because we're constantly permacamped (lol), is that we wouldn't mine high-ends either if that was the case
good god you really need to get back to the drawing board on your next conspiracy theory You require much less time mining high ends, that you need less of, in fleets boosted by rorqs. That factors into the army of empire bots mining low ends, and ultimately you save an incredible amount of hassle and time.
Ok, so tell me why this army of bots (ugh, you are disgusting) wouldn't be running missions or ratting for isk which you could use to buy the trit you need.
|
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
406
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:09:00 -
[292] - Quote
Andski wrote:The problem is that they choose to be defenseless. Fit a mediocre tank and pack a set of medium ECM drones and your chances of survival are that much better. I've been messing in EFT, and I can't get a hulk tank much above 28/29K (best case @ all V's). Drones won't help at all (with multiple enemies). I didn't try going faction/deadspace modules - but that's kinda silly on a Hulk (imho).
Fully tanked, maybe they can get away after concord hits - and it would take more people to do - but didn't you guys just prove in Jita that regardless of what you have, or how you tank it, a determined foe can alpha pretty much any ship in space?
I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:10:00 -
[293] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Ok, so tell me why this army of bots (ugh, you are disgusting) wouldn't be running missions or ratting for isk which you could use to buy the trit you need.
let me rephrase it for the pubbie
why wouldn't this bot army be doing far more profitable things to generate the ISK needed to buy low-ends straight off the market, en masse, in jita, along with sparing everybody a massive logistical hassle "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:10:00 -
[294] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Of course that's what it's going to boil down to. You claim that somehow you can make life difficult for 0.0 miners to the point where they would mine trit in empire and that is ridiculous.
Of course you're going to have to backup your claims eventually.
I used myself as an example, but anyone could and would do it if you gave them the opportunity to do so. I got out of the black ops thing a while ago, and I really couldn't give less of a **** about what you meta gamers do in the ass end of space, playing simon says in lagy fleets and pretending taht you are somehow "hard" and "spymasters" in RL because of it.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:11:00 -
[295] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped...
So logically the idea would be that you're safest mining where they won't go. Like low-sec. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:11:00 -
[296] - Quote
Andski wrote: why wouldn't this bot army be doing far more profitable things to generate the ISK needed to buy low-ends straight off the market, en masse, in jita, along with sparing everybody a massive logistical hassle
I thought the argument was only bots were doing the mining in the first place so who'd you buy the minerals of if nobody human mines?
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:12:00 -
[297] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Of course that's what it's going to boil down to. You claim that somehow you can make life difficult for 0.0 miners to the point where they would mine trit in empire and that is ridiculous.
Of course you're going to have to backup your claims eventually.
I used myself as an example, but anyone could and would do it if you gave them the opportunity to do so. I got out of the black ops thing a while ago, and I really couldn't give less of a **** about what you meta gamers do in the ass end of space, playing simon says in lagy fleets and pretending taht you are somehow "hard" and "spymasters" in RL because of it.
Everyone -does- have the opportunity to do so. We have miners in Deklein right now waiting for people to come kill them. Crazy ******* that they are, we just can't teach them.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:12:00 -
[298] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Andski wrote:The problem is that they choose to be defenseless. Fit a mediocre tank and pack a set of medium ECM drones and your chances of survival are that much better. I've been messing in EFT, and I can't get a hulk tank much above 28/29K (best case @ all V's). Drones won't help at all (with multiple enemies). I didn't try going faction/deadspace modules - but that's kinda silly on a Hulk (imho). Fully tanked, maybe they can get away after concord hits - and it would take more people to do - but didn't you guys just prove in Jita that regardless of what you have, or how you tank it, a determined foe can alpha pretty much any ship in space? I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped...
if you're getting popped by "multiple enemies" that kinda blows the whole "lone catalyst" thing out of the water now doesn't it "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:12:00 -
[299] - Quote
Andski wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Ok, so tell me why this army of bots (ugh, you are disgusting) wouldn't be running missions or ratting for isk which you could use to buy the trit you need. let me rephrase it for the pubbie why wouldn't this bot army be doing far more profitable things to generate the ISK needed to buy low-ends straight off the market, en masse, in jita, along with sparing everybody a massive logistical hassle
So what your saying is, there are no mining bots in EVE Online because any botter with half sense would make their bot army do something more profitable?
|
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:12:00 -
[300] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped... So logically the idea would be that you're safest mining where they won't go. Like low-sec.
Why wouldn't gankers in throw away shipalts go to lowsec ? |
|
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
513
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:13:00 -
[301] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:I can't fit a battleship tank on a hulk so tanking a hulk is pointless
|
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:14:00 -
[302] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on. I can't help but notice how all counter arguments regarding how "Empire botters are not Null Sec mining alt botters" has completely melted away to "come at me bra". Whelp. I just wanted you to know, that we know, and your not as smart as you think that you are. It is just that CCP does not give a ****, and so meta gaming continues on. But when you come out and say that most of the bots that were banned were in empire, I will come out and tell you exactly why that is. Have a nice day... probie
Still this, just saying.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:14:00 -
[303] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped... So logically the idea would be that you're safest mining where they won't go. Like low-sec. Why wouldn't gankers in throw away shipalts go to lowsec ?
Because in low sec they could drop carriers on you instead.
Serious answer because you might be genuinely interested: Find an empty low-sec system (there are hundreds), any time someone comes in warp to a nearby safe spot. If they drop probes, dock up.
You might lose a few minutes an hour, but it's cheaper than replacing your hulk. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:14:00 -
[304] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:So what your saying is, there are no mining bots in EVE Online because any botter with half sense would make their bot army do something more profitable?
no, people actually macromine
however, there is literally no reason for nullsec residents to macromine in hisec with alts "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:15:00 -
[305] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Andski wrote: why wouldn't this bot army be doing far more profitable things to generate the ISK needed to buy low-ends straight off the market, en masse, in jita, along with sparing everybody a massive logistical hassle
I thought the argument was only bots were doing the mining in the first place so who'd you buy the minerals of if nobody human mines? That's not my argument, if the price of trit goes up people will mine it any way they can. Bring back the mining rohk.
Well prices should go up as massively beyond where it is currently, mining is boring and anything that boring should be rewarded as it's hurting your mind. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:16:00 -
[306] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on. I can't help but notice how all counter arguments regarding how "Empire botters are not Null Sec mining alt botters" has completely melted away to "come at me bra". Whelp. I just wanted you to know, that we know, and your not as smart as you think that you are. It is just that CCP does not give a ****, and so meta gaming continues on. But when you come out and say that most of the bots that were banned were in empire, I will come out and tell you exactly why that is. Have a nice day... probie Still this, just saying.
Most of the bots banned were in empire because you can't bot mine in 0.0 in total safety. (Well I guess you can't in empire anymore either, )
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:17:00 -
[307] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Most of the bots banned were in empire because you can't bot mine in 0.0 in total safety. (Well I guess you can't in empire anymore either, )
no you see people who have mains in hisec don't bot, they have too much ehonour for that "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:18:00 -
[308] - Quote
Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So what your saying is, there are no mining bots in EVE Online because any botter with half sense would make their bot army do something more profitable? no, people actually macromine however, there is literally no reason for nullsec residents to macromine in hisec with alts
Then you simply do not understand how this all works. And a smart man cannot argue with a fool who knows nothing of the argument at hand, and expect to keep his dignity.
* Eternum throws poop at the goon probie and say, U mad bra?
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:19:00 -
[309] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Then you simply do not understand how this all works. And a smart man cannot argue with a fool who knows nothing of the argument at hand, and expect to keep his dignity.
* Eternum throws poop at the goon probie and say, U mad bra?
clearly I don't, please enlighten me
i mean you really haven't elaborated on this at all besides "but it's OBVIOUS guys" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:19:00 -
[310] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So what your saying is, there are no mining bots in EVE Online because any botter with half sense would make their bot army do something more profitable? no, people actually macromine however, there is literally no reason for nullsec residents to macromine in hisec with alts Then you simply do not understand how this all works. And a smart man cannot argue with a fool who knows nothing of the argument at hand, and expect to keep his dignity. * Eternum throws poop at the goon probie and say, U mad bra?
Tell us more about how it's not that you're wrong, it's just that your ideas are so insightful no one can understand them. |
|
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:19:00 -
[311] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Most of the bots banned were in empire because you can't bot mine in 0.0 in total safety.
Thank you for confining my assertions. We are now in agreement, can we be BFF"s?
|
Bane Necran
461
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:20:00 -
[312] - Quote
Andski wrote:however, there is literally no reason for nullsec residents to macromine in hisec with alts
You use "literally" improperly very often. I first pointed this out to you months ago.
It's not for emphasis, it's to make sure people don't confuse it with the figurative meaning. If there is no possible figurative meaning, you just look stupid. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:21:00 -
[313] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote: Tell us more about how it's not that you're wrong, it's just that your ideas are so insightful no one can understand them.
In a world of reading comprehension deficients (who refuse to read carefully even the most basic post and formulate a valide counter argument) a man with only moderate punctuating skills is a god among men.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:21:00 -
[314] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Most of the bots banned were in empire because you can't bot mine in 0.0 in total safety.
Thank you for confining my assertions. We are now in agreement, can we be BFF"s?
Your assertion was that all of these bots were controlled by 0.0 players is still incorrect though. Because players in 0.0 have access to far better sources of isk/hr than bot mining.
They take that isk and use it to buy the trit from risk averse pubbies running bot farms in empire. (Although, as I said this certainly isn't the case anymore.)
In fact, it strikes me as bizarre that you claim that 0.0 alliances are running 'vast trit botting networks in empire' while simultaneously funding massive programs to destroy mining in empire. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:25:00 -
[315] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Most of the bots banned were in empire because you can't bot mine in 0.0 in total safety.
Thank you for confining my assertions. We are now in agreement, can we be BFF"s? Your assertion was that all of these bots were controlled by 0.0 players is still incorrect though. Because players in 0.0 have access to far better sources of isk/hr than bot mining. They take that isk and use it to buy the trit from risk averse pubbies running bot farms in empire. (Although, as I said this certainly isn't the case anymore.)
Your entire premise here is wrong.
ISK is not the reason for botting, the minerals are. You need a cosmic **** ton of minerals to create all of these supercapitals that we see in game. & you need far more low ends (that are found in the safety of empire) then you do high ends, that are found everywhere else.
It is not about the isk It is about people like you turning pictures of minerals into ships that you can fly and fap to.
ISK without ships and minerals is meaningless, and most of the supercapitals that you see flying in space were constructed with bot generated low ends mined in empire (TM)
|
Balthisus Filtch
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
21
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:25:00 -
[316] - Quote
OP seems to have the position spot on.
I would say though that there is danger to 0.0. It's not an at any moment you may be blown up danger, it's a long term your alliance may be forced out of it's space and you could lose everything type of risk (although mostly, time is given for an organised withdraw).
But yes - one look at the map on ship loss setting shows that hi-sec is way more dangerous than anywhere else on the map. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:26:00 -
[317] - Quote
Andski wrote:if you're getting popped by "multiple enemies" that kinda blows the whole "lone catalyst" thing out of the water now doesn't it A lone dualboxer :) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:27:00 -
[318] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Most of the bots banned were in empire because you can't bot mine in 0.0 in total safety.
Thank you for confining my assertions. We are now in agreement, can we be BFF"s? Your assertion was that all of these bots were controlled by 0.0 players is still incorrect though. Because players in 0.0 have access to far better sources of isk/hr than bot mining. They take that isk and use it to buy the trit from risk averse pubbies running bot farms in empire. (Although, as I said this certainly isn't the case anymore.) Your entire premise here is wrong. ISK is not the reason for botting, the minerals are. You need a cosmic **** ton of minerals to create all of these supercapitals that we see in game. & you need far more low ends (that are found in the safety of empire) then you do high ends, that are found everywhere else. It is not about the isk It is about people like you turning pictures of minerals into ships that you can fly and fap to. ISK without ships and minerals are meaningless, and most of the supercapitals that you see flying in space were constructed with bot generated low ends mined in empire (TM)
Yes, but the reality is that people in empire do farm up these minerals. And they do it is such quantities that the price on the market is a pittance.
You can't argue theoretical arguments against the fact that there is a tremendous amount of cheap trit on the market. Unless these 0.0 trit botting conglomerates are selling the trit to themselves because they are stupid.
PS: There is currently over 23 BILLION trit in Jita. That hasn't come from 0.0 alliances bot mining and shunting it out to 0.0 |
Edward Anthony Cullen
State War Academy Caldari State
9
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:28:00 -
[319] - Quote
Andski wrote:Aron Croup wrote:I'm not against high-sec PVP, ganking and griefing in general, but I do think the numbers merit some attention from Goons' BFFs, and a possible boost to the jumpfreighter and the hulk, to a level where they can operate in hisec. just had to fix that for you
fixt for Mitten - er Andski
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:28:00 -
[320] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Your entire premise here is wrong.
ISK is not the reason for botting, the minerals are. You need a cosmic **** ton of minerals to create all of these supercapitals that we see in game. & you need far more low ends (that are found in the safety of empire) then you do high ends, that are found everywhere else.
It is not about the isk It is about people like you turning pictures of minerals into ships that you can fly and fap to.
ISK without ships and minerals is meaningless, and most of the supercapitals that you see flying in space were constructed with bot generated low ends mined in empire (TM)
okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS
people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire
booooooshhh
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
|
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:29:00 -
[321] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote: You can't argue theoretical arguments against the fact that there is a tremendous amount of cheap trit on the market. Unless these 0.0 trit botting conglomerates are selling the trit to themselves because they are stupid.
They're not overly fussed, Horus and co running hundreds of bots are just RMT'ing and don't overly care about a few isk here or there per m3..
Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals.
|
Edward Anthony Cullen
State War Academy Caldari State
9
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:30:00 -
[322] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped... So logically the idea would be that you're safest mining where they won't go. Like low-sec. Why wouldn't gankers in throw away shipalts go to lowsec ? Because in low sec it requites :effort:
more to the point...
The only ones trolling here are Goons and theyre doing what they said they would, just noone ever realized "Destroy your game" was aimed not at miners, high seccers, missioners or anyone, it was aimed at CCP. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:31:00 -
[323] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Yes, but the reality is that people in empire do farm up these minerals. And they do it is such quantities that the price on the market is a pittance.
You can't argue theoretical arguments against the fact that there is a tremendous amount of cheap trit on the market. Unless these 0.0 trit botting conglomerates are selling the trit to themselves because they are stupid.
If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.
It all goes back to null sec. Empire is not to blame for bots, because the reason for all this botting funnels back to people like you.
You can claim that you don't do it, and you can claim that you have no knowledge of it (which TBH is laughable) but to blame empire for botting is ******* stupid, and you know it.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:32:00 -
[324] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:They're not overly fussed, Horus and co running hundreds of bots are just RMT'ing and don't overly care about a few isk here or there per m3..
I think he ran empire mission/0.0 anom bots, not mining bots.
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals.
"stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:32:00 -
[325] - Quote
Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Your entire premise here is wrong.
ISK is not the reason for botting, the minerals are. You need a cosmic **** ton of minerals to create all of these supercapitals that we see in game. & you need far more low ends (that are found in the safety of empire) then you do high ends, that are found everywhere else.
It is not about the isk It is about people like you turning pictures of minerals into ships that you can fly and fap to.
ISK without ships and minerals is meaningless, and most of the supercapitals that you see flying in space were constructed with bot generated low ends mined in empire (TM) okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire booooooshhh
Minerals that spontaneously appear yea? Or... are refined from missions. An Avatar built from refined mission trit, sure... that makes sense.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:33:00 -
[326] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mods to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.
It all goes back to null sec. Empire is not to blame for bots, because the reason for all this botting funnels back to people like you.
You can claim that you don't do it, and you can claim that you have no knowledge of it (which TBH is laughable) but to blame empire for botting is ******* stupid, and you know it.
So why do you absolutely deny the idea that these bots are alts of dudes with hisec mains? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:33:00 -
[327] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: You can't argue theoretical arguments against the fact that there is a tremendous amount of cheap trit on the market. Unless these 0.0 trit botting conglomerates are selling the trit to themselves because they are stupid.
They're not overly fussed, Horus and co running hundreds of bots are just RMT'ing and don't overly care about a few isk here or there per m3.. Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals.
We're doing our part to kill RMT and botting with hulkageddon. What have you done to stop RMT lately?
Also, you don't want 0.0 to stop buying ships and minerals from empire. Because it's certainly not mission runners in officer fit golems losing all the ships that you mine for. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:34:00 -
[328] - Quote
Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals. "stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT" Oh dear, I'd by specificallt non-botted trit, but the market doesn't let me buy from any order I want, only the lowest sell. Oh dear...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:34:00 -
[329] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Your entire premise here is wrong.
ISK is not the reason for botting, the minerals are. You need a cosmic **** ton of minerals to create all of these supercapitals that we see in game. & you need far more low ends (that are found in the safety of empire) then you do high ends, that are found everywhere else.
It is not about the isk It is about people like you turning pictures of minerals into ships that you can fly and fap to.
ISK without ships and minerals is meaningless, and most of the supercapitals that you see flying in space were constructed with bot generated low ends mined in empire (TM) okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire booooooshhh Minerals that spontaneously appear yea? Or... are refined from missions. An Avatar built from refined mission trit, sure... that makes sense.
Actually, the vast majority of minerals which went into supercaps came from the drone regions.
It was in the QEN.
Although depending on how successful Hulkageddon is, mining trit in 0.0 and exporting it might be a good earner. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
767
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:35:00 -
[330] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire booooooshhh Minerals that spontaneously appear yea? Or... are refined from missions. An Avatar built from refined mission trit, sure... that makes sense. Actually, the vast majority of minerals which went into supercaps came from the drone regions. It was in the QEN.
I know, and the Russian supercapital fleet all but blotted out the sun. There ofc were no bots in drone space either, or.... those bots were all run by empire dwellers.
|
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:37:00 -
[331] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote: If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.
You still haven't shown any evidence that high sec mining bots are all 0.0 alts besides 'people in 0.0 use a lot of minerals'.
Which is true, we do. And it's far more efficient for us to use tech money, or anomaly money, or complex money to buy them than it is to get out there and mine for whatever ****** amount of trit you get per hour. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:37:00 -
[332] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I know, and the Russian supercapital fleet all but blotted out the sun. There ofc were no bots in drone space either, or.... those bots were all run by empire dwellers.
Nobody denies that people bot in nullsec, but the idea of nullsec dudes, who presumably have access to far better income sources, macromining in hisec is absolutely laughable. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:38:00 -
[333] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire booooooshhh Minerals that spontaneously appear yea? Or... are refined from missions. An Avatar built from refined mission trit, sure... that makes sense. Actually, the vast majority of minerals which went into supercaps came from the drone regions. It was in the QEN. I know, and the Russian supercapital fleet all but blotted out the sun. There ofc were no bots in drone space either, or.... those bots were all run by empire dwellers.
That's the worst strawman I've seen in this thread so far, and there have been so many badly constructed strawmen to choose from.
But sure, there were probably plenty of people running bot farms in the drone regions to gun mine. But what they -weren't- doing is running vast high sec mining bot networks. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:39:00 -
[334] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote: We're doing our part to kill RMT and botting with hulkageddon. What have you done to stop RMT lately?
Nothing I don't care in the slightest about it. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
142
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:39:00 -
[335] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals. "stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT" Oh dear, I'd buy specifically non-botted trit, but the market doesn't let me buy from any order I want, only the lowest sell. Oh dear...
Wait... Goon you dont need to, have your RMT farms do it or was that what they were talking about when dude said you guys were especially hard hit by the bot bannings and that supposedly is how it prooves Sreegs isnt in your pocket?
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: We're doing our part to kill RMT and botting with hulkageddon. What have you done to stop RMT lately?
Nothing I don't care in the slightest about it.
Didnt Helicity stop this pretense last Hulkageddon and go with the truth that it was always about tears and never about bots?
Yeah keep with that.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:40:00 -
[336] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals. "stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT" Oh dear, I'd buy specifically non-botted trit, but the market doesn't let me buy from any order I want, only the lowest sell. Oh dear... Wait... Goon you dont need to, have your RMT farms do it or was that what they were talking about when dude said you guys were especially hard hit by the bot bannings and that supposedly is how it prooves Sreegs isnt in your pocket?
What's an 'RMT farm' and how can they buy 'non-botted' trit? |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:42:00 -
[337] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: We're doing our part to kill RMT and botting with hulkageddon. What have you done to stop RMT lately?
Nothing I don't care in the slightest about it.
So be quiet while the grown ups are dealing with the problem. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:42:00 -
[338] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.
You still haven't shown any evidence that high sec mining bots are all 0.0 alts besides 'people in 0.0 use a lot of minerals'.
No one said they are all null sec alts, you made that up.
You however have not posed any valid counter argument against null sec alts botting low ends for ease of access vs time vs yield, and thus cannot stake any claim as to how many of those empire bots were truly empire dwellers, and how many were null sec alts. I am saying that there is no reason to think that all of those bots were people who lived and build in empire, and no sizable portion of them did what they did for nulsec
|
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
142
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:42:00 -
[339] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals. "stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT" Oh dear, I'd buy specifically non-botted trit, but the market doesn't let me buy from any order I want, only the lowest sell. Oh dear... Wait... Goon you dont need to, have your RMT farms do it or was that what they were talking about when dude said you guys were especially hard hit by the bot bannings and that supposedly is how it prooves Sreegs isnt in your pocket? What's an 'RMT farm' and how can they buy 'non-botted' trit?
yeah... pretend to be dumb lol
you guys dont "police CCP's game for them" and dont report Goon bots and no botting there? uh huh...
Pull the other one. Theres cake
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:43:00 -
[340] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.
You still haven't shown any evidence that high sec mining bots are all 0.0 alts besides 'people in 0.0 use a lot of minerals'. Which is true, we do. And it's far more efficient for us to use tech money, or anomaly money, or complex money to buy them than it is to get out there and mine for whatever ****** amount of trit you get per hour. 11mil per hour mining veldspar or something. Yeah, gonna go for that ~~
(Mine ABC in null, it's more fun). Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
|
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:44:00 -
[341] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote: So be quiet while the grown ups are dealing with the problem.
Sure when do they arrive and when are you going to stop being to trolled into a never ending thread by Eternum?
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:45:00 -
[342] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:No one said they are all null sec alts, you made that up.
"That is because highsec is where the nullsec bot alts go to pull cosmic **** tons of trit. Oh snap! I put egg on your face.... sorry."
Right here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1254971#post1254971 |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:45:00 -
[343] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.
You still haven't shown any evidence that high sec mining bots are all 0.0 alts besides 'people in 0.0 use a lot of minerals'. Which is true, we do. And it's far more efficient for us to use tech money, or anomaly money, or complex money to buy them than it is to get out there and mine for whatever ****** amount of trit you get per hour. 11mil per hour mining veldspar or something. Yeah, gonna go for that ~~ (Mine ABC in null, it's more fun).
Not only ignorant, but also unable to read several posts on the subject. Winning?
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:46:00 -
[344] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: So be quiet while the grown ups are dealing with the problem.
Sure when do they arrive and when are you going to stop being to trolled into a never ending thread by Eternum?
When I get bored, obviously. I can't make the jump clone timer move any faster by looking at it. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:46:00 -
[345] - Quote
I see no egg, never did I say ALL, only you did. * Flings poop back at the doctor.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:47:00 -
[346] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:(Mine ABC in null, it's more fun).
See. This is the kind of mentality we have to deal with every day in GSF.
Fortunately I have prepared a short course on 'Why mining isn't fun' which will be compulsory reading for all newbees. I suspect the already indoctrinated goons will have to be shot.
I'm so sorry. :smith:
|
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:47:00 -
[347] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote: When I get bored, obviously. I can't make the jump clone timer move any faster by looking at it.
They should double the length of the timer if not more but that's an argument in a different thread at the moment. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:48:00 -
[348] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:You however have not posed any valid counter argument against null sec alts botting low ends
We did. For example:
grinding ISK in nullsec to buy minerals with is a far better option (since pubbies will macromine those lowends anyway) it makes no sense to farm lowends in hisec when you have access to far, far better income in nullsec through membership in a sovholding alliance hmm, those are pretty valid to me! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:48:00 -
[349] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I see no egg, never did I say ALL, only you did. * Flings poop back at the doctor.
But the logic is against -any- 0.0 players being stupid enough to kill their isk/hr to go mine in high sec. I mean, I'm sure one or two do, but we're trying to save as many as we can. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:49:00 -
[350] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: When I get bored, obviously. I can't make the jump clone timer move any faster by looking at it.
They should double the length of the timer if not more but that's an argument in a different thread at the moment.
The timer should either be removed or the jump clone system should be removed.
Back before the jump clone system you 'lived' in constellation and it was yours. It's sad that it's not the case anymore. |
|
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:51:00 -
[351] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I see no egg, never did I say ALL, only you did. * Flings poop back at the doctor. But the logic is against -any- 0.0 players being stupid enough to kill their isk/hr to go mine in high sec. I mean, I'm sure one or two do, but we're trying to save as many as we can.
It simply is not, and I gave ample reasons why. But by all means, keep making Blah Blah.... that, I admit, you are quite good at.
|
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:52:00 -
[352] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
The timer should either be removed or the jump clone system should be removed. Back before the jump clone system you 'lived' in constellation and it was yours. It's sad that it's not the case anymore.
I'd not disagree to removing them to be honest but I'd also remove Jump Bridges and give all capital drives a spin up time of 5 minutes before they can jump.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4076
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:52:00 -
[353] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:It simply is not, and I gave ample reasons why. But by all means, keep making Blah Blah.... that, I admit, you are quite good at.
Your reasoning was blown out of the water earlier in this thread. Please repeat those reasons, I want to do it again! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:53:00 -
[354] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote: It simply is not, and I gave ample reasons why. But by all means, keep making Blah Blah.... that, I admit, you are quite good at.
And we gave ample reasons why you are wrong:
- grinding ISK in nullsec to buy minerals with is a far better option (since pubbies will macromine those lowends anyway)
- it makes no sense to farm lowends in hisec when you have access to far, far better income in nullsec through membership in a sovholding alliance
I will cut and paste from my esteemed colleague here because I am exceptionally lazy. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:54:00 -
[355] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
The timer should either be removed or the jump clone system should be removed. Back before the jump clone system you 'lived' in constellation and it was yours. It's sad that it's not the case anymore.
I'd not disagree to removing them to be honest but I'd also remove Jump Bridges and give all capital drives a spin up time of 5 minutes before they can jump.
It might be time to take this discussion over to the other thread, I don't disagree but I expect a lot of people will and it will be PRIME DISCUSSION MATERIAL. |
Josef Djugashvilis
147
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:54:00 -
[356] - Quote
Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:You however have not posed any valid counter argument against null sec alts botting low ends We did. For example: grinding ISK in nullsec to buy minerals with is a far better option (since pubbies will macromine those lowends anyway) it makes no sense to farm lowends in hisec when you have access to far, far better income in nullsec through membership in a sovholding alliance hmm, those are pretty valid to me!
Andski, you really should drop the 'pubbies' bit, it just makes you seem like an annoying seven year old who has found a new word to use. You want fries with that? |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
552
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:55:00 -
[357] - Quote
maybe if mining wasn't the most boring thing to do in any game in the universe people wouldn't afk through it....
give mining ships 2000 more shield and 1000 more armor. make the procruer useful, no one uses it, same with the skiff
moon mining should be removed and replaced with anything else, OR allow moon mining in highsec to remove the power from nullblocks yes hulks should be gankable, its stupid for them no to be, but it shouldn't be 1destroyer, or 1 cruiser gankable in highsec.
|
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:55:00 -
[358] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I see no egg, never did I say ALL, only you did. * Flings poop back at the doctor. But the logic is against -any- 0.0 players being stupid enough to kill their isk/hr to go mine in high sec. I mean, I'm sure one or two do, but we're trying to save as many as we can. It simply is not, and I gave ample reasons why. But by all means, keep making Blah Blah.... that, I admit, you are quite good at.
Yougave us no reasonthat it's valid so far. Your pubbiebots farmenough trit for it's to buy, why wouldn't we just make much more money ratting with a tengu plus carrier? |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:57:00 -
[359] - Quote
Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:It simply is not, and I gave ample reasons why. But by all means, keep making Blah Blah.... that, I admit, you are quite good at. Your reasoning was blown out of the water earlier in this thread. Please repeat those reasons, I want to do it again!
Actually we went on for two pages with you seemingly unaware of what I was even talking about. Whatever it is that you are smoking that makes you feel superior, maybe you should market it.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4077
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:57:00 -
[360] - Quote
Herping yourDerp wrote:OR allow moon mining in highsec to remove the power from nullblocks
ahahahaha no "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
|
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:58:00 -
[361] - Quote
Andski wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:OR allow moon mining in highsec to remove the power from nullblocks
ahahahaha no
Goon says derp. The world goes meh.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4077
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:58:00 -
[362] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Actually we went on for two pages with you seemingly unaware of what I was even talking about. Whatever it is that you are smoking that makes you feel superior, maybe you should market it.
so you're going ~puppetmasta~ now "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:59:00 -
[363] - Quote
Herping yourDerp wrote:maybe if mining wasn't the most boring thing to do in any game in the universe people wouldn't afk through it....
give mining ships 2000 more shield and 1000 more armor. make the procruer useful, no one uses it, same with the skiff
moon mining should be removed and replaced with anything else, OR allow moon mining in highsec to remove the power from nullblocks yes hulks should be gankable, its stupid for them no to be, but it shouldn't be 1destroyer, or 1 cruiser gankable in highsec.
I really hope ring mining will be a low-sec activity. It would be good to give low-sec a bit of a push financially.
And I don't think anyone would really object to adding a few more shields to a hulk, but it won't solve the problem. People will just bring a cruiser instead. Or a battleship. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:00:00 -
[364] - Quote
Polly Oxford wrote:
Yougave us no reasonthat it's valid so far. Your pubbiebots farmenough trit for it's to buy, why wouldn't we just make much more money ratting with a tengu plus carrier?
I think then you should rat your way into a titan, in a world where no one is mining any more. You go and wrack up all of those bounties and see what those blinky numbers in your wallet can buy you without minerals from asteroids.
If you had read. You would have read the pyramid quotes about it not being about ISK. Probie.
* throws more poop at you.
|
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:01:00 -
[365] - Quote
Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Actually we went on for two pages with you seemingly unaware of what I was even talking about. Whatever it is that you are smoking that makes you feel superior, maybe you should market it.
so you're going ~puppetmasta~ now
Its not hard to pull the strings of people like you. A half sensible person could make you dance for their amusement with fairly little effort IMO. Easy to read and easy to taunt.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4077
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:02:00 -
[366] - Quote
let me help you out though
you're saying that we macromine lowends in hisec to supply minerals to supercapital builders
we're saying that it's easier to farm ISK
your response is "where would you source the minerals from, HUH?"
the answer: the thousands of hisec pubbies whose sole source of income is mining "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:02:00 -
[367] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Polly Oxford wrote:
Yougave us no reasonthat it's valid so far. Your pubbiebots farmenough trit for it's to buy, why wouldn't we just make much more money ratting with a tengu plus carrier?
I think then you should rat your way into a titan, in a world where no one is mining any more. You go and wrack up all of those bounties and see what those blinky numbers in your wallet can buy you without minerals from asteroids. If you had read. You would have read the pyramid quotes about it not being about ISK. Probie. * throws more poop at you.
It's always about isk though, and it will be about isk until there isn't 5b units of cheap trit waiting to be bought.
It's a fact that every single one of the supercarriers and titans I built (and I was building 4 supercarriers a month at one point) were being paid for with isk which was going to empire to buy minerals. Not mine them. Isk on the table. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:02:00 -
[368] - Quote
Andski wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:OR allow moon mining in highsec to remove the power from nullblocks
ahahahaha no Tech, the new tritanium.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:03:00 -
[369] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Actually we went on for two pages with you seemingly unaware of what I was even talking about. Whatever it is that you are smoking that makes you feel superior, maybe you should market it. so you're going ~puppetmasta~ now Its not hard to pull the strings of people like you. A half sensible person could make you dance for their amusement with fairly little effort IMO. Easy to read and easy to taunt. Yep, he's going for the ~puppetmasta~ defence. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:05:00 -
[370] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
It's always about isk though, and it will be about isk until there isn't 5b units of cheap trit waiting to be bought.
Ofc, and its about where those 5B came from and where they are ultimately going that is at the core of this discussion.
|
|
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:05:00 -
[371] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Actually we went on for two pages with you seemingly unaware of what I was even talking about. Whatever it is that you are smoking that makes you feel superior, maybe you should market it. so you're going ~puppetmasta~ now Its not hard to pull the strings of people like you. A half sensible person could make you dance for their amusement with fairly little effort IMO. Easy to read and easy to taunt. Yep, he's going for the ~puppetmasta~ defence.
I think it was the fling poop retorte tbh. But that's just me.
|
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
90
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:05:00 -
[372] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote: I think then you should rat your way into a titan, in a world where no one is mining any more. You go and wrack up all of those bounties and see what those blinky numbers in your wallet can buy you without minerals from asteroids.
People didn't stop mining when mining was a ****** profession; why would they stop now that it's only a bad profession? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4077
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:05:00 -
[373] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Ofc, and its about where those 5B came from and where they are ultimately going that is at the core of this discussion.
Andski wrote:the answer: the thousands of hisec pubbies whose sole source of income is mining "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:06:00 -
[374] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
It's always about isk though, and it will be about isk until there isn't 5b units of cheap trit waiting to be bought.
Ofc, and its about where those 5B came from and where they are ultimately going that is at the core of this discussion.
I don't care where they came from. Maybe mining fairies seeded it. But I know that all of the supercapital ships I built came from market trit and not some secret 0.0 bot conspiracy. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:08:00 -
[375] - Quote
Andski wrote:let me help you out though
you're saying that we macromine lowends in hisec to supply minerals to supercapital builders
we're saying that it's easier to farm ISK
your response is "where would you source the minerals from, HUH?"
the answer: the thousands of hisec pubbies whose sole source of income is mining
Sigh... So stupid.
I think maybe my new defense will be based upon yours, I will just pretend to not read anything you write and repeatedly post how my ideas supersede yours. It seems a workable strategy.
|
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1796
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:08:00 -
[376] - Quote
I'm not reading another rehash of this drivel.
I presume it's been pointed out that:
New players don't fly Hulks.
Hulks, unless they are horrifically set up cannot be ganked by a destroyer.
Freighters and Orcas are not flown by new pilots, and are not ganked by destroyers.
That pretty much covers the more emotional "points" presented by the OP.
As for the rest, this still rings true.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in the EVE universe you need to be able to out sell, and/or out produce, and/or out fight, and/or out run, and/or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set as the rest of the player base. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:09:00 -
[377] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:I don't care where they came from. Maybe mining fairies seeded it. But I know that all of the supercapital ships I built came from market trit and not some secret 0.0 bot conspiracy. Not the old shuttles, that's for sure... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
106
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:09:00 -
[378] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:I'm not reading another rehash of this drivel.
Oh go on, we've put so much love and detail into it.
|
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:09:00 -
[379] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
It's always about isk though, and it will be about isk until there isn't 5b units of cheap trit waiting to be bought.
Ofc, and its about where those 5B came from and where they are ultimately going that is at the core of this discussion. I don't care where they came from. Maybe mining fairies seeded it. But I know that all of the supercapital ships I built came from market trit and not some secret 0.0 bot conspiracy.
If you don't know that's fine. But don't tell the rest of us that we don't know when we know it for a fact. You are not the only one who has built supers.
|
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:09:00 -
[380] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Polly Oxford wrote:
Yougave us no reasonthat it's valid so far. Your pubbiebots farmenough trit for it's to buy, why wouldn't we just make much more money ratting with a tengu plus carrier?
I think then you should rat your way into a titan, in a world where no one is mining any more. You go and wrack up all of those bounties and see what those blinky numbers in your wallet can buy you without minerals from asteroids. If you had read. You would have read the pyramid quotes about it not being about ISK. Probie. * throws more poop at you.
I read them, but there are enough people in empire mining to support my t titan,so why should I bother mining trit. |
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4078
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:11:00 -
[381] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:If you don't know that's fine. But don't tell the rest of us that we don't know when we know it for a fact. You are not the only one who has built supers.
based on your horrible understanding of supercapital building you've clearly never built supers!
now, do you have any arguments of substance other than "well we know it for a fact"
because you're looking really dumb here "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
848
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:11:00 -
[382] - Quote
empire dwellers now realizing after 5 years that their endless injection of low-end minerals went somewhere |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
106
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:12:00 -
[383] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
It's always about isk though, and it will be about isk until there isn't 5b units of cheap trit waiting to be bought.
Ofc, and its about where those 5B came from and where they are ultimately going that is at the core of this discussion. I don't care where they came from. Maybe mining fairies seeded it. But I know that all of the supercapital ships I built came from market trit and not some secret 0.0 bot conspiracy. If you don't know that's fine. But don't tell the rest of us that we don't know when we know it for a fact. You are not the only one who has built supers.
Well, some evidence would go a long way towards backing up your claims. Is there any proof anywhere that the 0.0 people hit by the ban hammer were running empire trit mining bot networks rather than ratting bot networks?
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4078
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:12:00 -
[384] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:empire dwellers now realizing after 5 years that their endless injection of low-end minerals went somewhere
they seem to think that all those buy orders are from NPCs "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
90
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:13:00 -
[385] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote: Freighters and Orcas are not flown by new pilots, and are not ganked by destroyers.
Counterpoint:http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13214225 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:13:00 -
[386] - Quote
Polly Oxford wrote:[I read them, but there are enough people in empire mining to support my t titan,so why should I bother mining trit. Thank you, highsec players, for getting us all this trit.
You don't have to compress it for us, but thanks anyway. The Caldari Republic loves 425mm railgun Is, by the way. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:13:00 -
[387] - Quote
Andski wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:empire dwellers now realizing after 5 years that their endless injection of low-end minerals went somewhere they seem to think that all those buy orders are from NPCs No way, CCP would never put NPC buy orders ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:14:00 -
[388] - Quote
Polly Oxford wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Polly Oxford wrote:
Yougave us no reasonthat it's valid so far. Your pubbiebots farmenough trit for it's to buy, why wouldn't we just make much more money ratting with a tengu plus carrier?
I think then you should rat your way into a titan, in a world where no one is mining any more. You go and wrack up all of those bounties and see what those blinky numbers in your wallet can buy you without minerals from asteroids. If you had read. You would have read the pyramid quotes about it not being about ISK. Probie. * throws more poop at you. I read them, but there are enough people in empire mining to support my t titan,so why should I bother mining trit.
GoonWaffe [GEWNS] from 2012.04.23 21:32 to this day PREVIOUS CORPORATION(S) School of Applied Knowledge [SAK] from 2012.04.23 18:20 to 2012.04.23 21:32.
A goon, posting on an alt goon toon, saying that he rats his way up to a titan. Right...
Let the adults talk Probie.
|
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:16:00 -
[389] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Well, some evidence would go a long way towards backing up your claims. Is there any proof anywhere that the 0.0 people hit by the ban hammer were running empire trit mining bot networks rather than ratting bot networks?
Yes, there is evidence but I can't post it here. Do you have evidence to the contrary?
|
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:17:00 -
[390] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Is there any proof anywhere that the 0.0 people hit by the ban hammer were running empire trit mining bot networks rather than ratting bot networks? Lol. Veldspar mining bots...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
|
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
149
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:18:00 -
[391] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote: GoonWaffe [GEWNS] from 2012.04.23 21:32 to this day PREVIOUS CORPORATION(S) School of Applied Knowledge [SAK] from 2012.04.23 18:20 to 2012.04.23 21:32.
A goon, posting on an alt goon toon, saying that he rats his way up to a titan. Right...
Let the adults talk Probie.
That's sum pr0 detective work, good sir. +1 in local |
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:19:00 -
[392] - Quote
TThe alt I normally post on may or may not have been banned so I'm using this one. No idea what that has to do with this argument though. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:19:00 -
[393] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Well, some evidence would go a long way towards backing up your claims. Is there any proof anywhere that the 0.0 people hit by the ban hammer were running empire trit mining bot networks rather than ratting bot networks?
Yes, there is evidence but I can't post it here. Do you have evidence to the contrary?
Sure you can. I give you permission.
And my evidence to the contrary is that 'it's stupid to mine veldspar when you can earn more isk doing anything else and buy trit with it.'.
You know, common sense. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
848
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:20:00 -
[394] - Quote
wtf nullsec alliances setting up veld-mining bots in empire why would anyone do that? the things this idiot pulls out of his behind |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1796
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:20:00 -
[395] - Quote
Are you really as stupid as this freighter pilot?
No, I fully understand you can gank anything with anything given enough pilots. Not much of a counter point in this argument though. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Emiko Luan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire
56
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:21:00 -
[396] - Quote
Can't you just do the same and defend your hulks with suicide catalysts? +welcome to my world+ http://venomzer0.deviantart.com |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4079
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:21:00 -
[397] - Quote
the trit needed to build an ME0 Erebus with ME100 components: 54,129,570
that's 18,025,147 veldspar, less than 200 hulk hours
oh man that's way too much for the massive number of hisec hulk miners to produce "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:22:00 -
[398] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Are you really as stupid as this freighter pilot?
It's off topic, but I have to admit I laughed my ass off at this: "I was just flying around minding my own business when this Charon insults me and 143 of my closest friends. We had words." |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:22:00 -
[399] - Quote
I am like singlehandedly fending off an entire army of trolling goons and goon alts... I'm like a black king leonidas in 300... except much more hansom and with a bigger dong.
Have fun fapping kids, I just wanted you to know that we know and we know that you know we know. Ya know?
Enjoy the poop.
|
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
44
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:22:00 -
[400] - Quote
Andski wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:empire dwellers now realizing after 5 years that their endless injection of low-end minerals went somewhere they seem to think that all those buy orders are from NPCs
Why would they care? they got paid who paid it isn't relevant.
|
|
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:22:00 -
[401] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Well, some evidence would go a long way towards backing up your claims. Is there any proof anywhere that the 0.0 people hit by the ban hammer were running empire trit mining bot networks rather than ratting bot networks?
Yes, there is evidence but I can't post it here. Do you have evidence to the contrary? Sure you can. I give you permission. And my evidence to the contrary is that 'it's stupid to mine veldspar when you can earn more isk doing anything else and buy trit with it.'. You know, common sense. He might be talking about his own banning. Of his trit mining bot.
Can't discuss stuff like that here. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:23:00 -
[402] - Quote
Andski wrote:the trit needed to build an ME0 Erebus with ME100 components: 54,129,570
that's 18,025,147 veldspar, less than 200 hulk hours
oh man that's way too much for the massive number of hisec hulk miners to produce
200 hulk hours? Man, It would take TWENTY miners to mine that amount of veldspar in 10 hours. Where the hell are we going to find twenty people?
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:24:00 -
[403] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Well, some evidence would go a long way towards backing up your claims. Is there any proof anywhere that the 0.0 people hit by the ban hammer were running empire trit mining bot networks rather than ratting bot networks?
Yes, there is evidence but I can't post it here. Do you have evidence to the contrary? Sure you can. I give you permission. And my evidence to the contrary is that 'it's stupid to mine veldspar when you can earn more isk doing anything else and buy trit with it.'. You know, common sense. He might be talking about his own banning. Of his trit mining bot. Can't discuss stuff like that here.
Oh ****, you mean this entire thread has been him trying to project his own shame onto '0.0 dwellers'?
Jesus christ, why didn't you just tell us you were scum to start with and we'd have saved you some time. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
44
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:24:00 -
[404] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Andski wrote:the trit needed to build an ME0 Erebus with ME100 components: 54,129,570
that's 18,025,147 veldspar, less than 200 hulk hours
oh man that's way too much for the massive number of hisec hulk miners to produce 200 hulk hours? Man, It would take TWENTY miners to mine that amount of veldspar in 10 hours. Where the hell are we going to find twenty people?
Not sure but I can find you a guy with 20 bots. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:24:00 -
[405] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Andski wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:empire dwellers now realizing after 5 years that their endless injection of low-end minerals went somewhere they seem to think that all those buy orders are from NPCs Why would they care? they got paid who paid it isn't relevant.
It's only relevant in as much as it explains why people in 0.0 don't need to trit in empire.
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:25:00 -
[406] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Andski wrote:the trit needed to build an ME0 Erebus with ME100 components: 54,129,570
that's 18,025,147 veldspar, less than 200 hulk hours
oh man that's way too much for the massive number of hisec hulk miners to produce 200 hulk hours? Man, It would take TWENTY miners to mine that amount of veldspar in 10 hours. Where the hell are we going to find twenty people? Not sure but I can find you a guy with 20 bots.
If you know where there are twenty people afk mining in hulks right now, I'll split the profits from the gank with you. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:25:00 -
[407] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Andski wrote:the trit needed to build an ME0 Erebus with ME100 components: 54,129,570
that's 18,025,147 veldspar, less than 200 hulk hours
oh man that's way too much for the massive number of hisec hulk miners to produce 200 hulk hours? Man, It would take TWENTY miners to mine that amount of veldspar in 10 hours. Where the hell are we going to find twenty people? What, WHAT?
I thought it would be more than just 200 hulk hours. Sheesh, and these were supposed to be rare...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
388
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:26:00 -
[408] - Quote
My proposition to the high-sec miners is to cry some more. The more you cry, the more value my nullsec minerals have. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1796
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:27:00 -
[409] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I am like singlehandedly fending off an entire army of trolling goons and goon alts... I'm like a black king leonidas in 300... except much more hansom and with a bigger dong.
Have fun fapping kids, I just wanted you to know that we know and we know that you know we know. Ya know?
Enjoy the poop.
Well, some people enjoy being the pivot man I suppose. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:27:00 -
[410] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:My proposition to the high-sec miners is to cry some more. The more you cry, the more value my nullsec minerals have.
This is the guy all you hulk miners should be aspiring to be. Not 'fit more bulkheads on your hulk so you don't get ganked in empire' guy. |
|
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:28:00 -
[411] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Andski wrote:the trit needed to build an ME0 Erebus with ME100 components: 54,129,570
that's 18,025,147 veldspar, less than 200 hulk hours
oh man that's way too much for the massive number of hisec hulk miners to produce 200 hulk hours? Man, It would take TWENTY miners to mine that amount of veldspar in 10 hours. Where the hell are we going to find twenty people? What, WHAT? I thought it would be more than just 200 hulk hours. Sheesh, and these were supposed to be rare...
It is, Andski looked up Isogen instead of Trit. You need 3.7b Trit for an Erebus. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:28:00 -
[412] - Quote
If the majority of people in high sec stop mining and go do missions I'd be happy. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:29:00 -
[413] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I am like singlehandedly entertaining an entire army of trolling goons and goon alts... I'm like a black king leonidas in 300... except much more hansom and with a bigger dong.
Fixed that for you.
Btw, nice dong. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:29:00 -
[414] - Quote
Polly Oxford wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Andski wrote:the trit needed to build an ME0 Erebus with ME100 components: 54,129,570
that's 18,025,147 veldspar, less than 200 hulk hours
oh man that's way too much for the massive number of hisec hulk miners to produce 200 hulk hours? Man, It would take TWENTY miners to mine that amount of veldspar in 10 hours. Where the hell are we going to find twenty people? What, WHAT? I thought it would be more than just 200 hulk hours. Sheesh, and these were supposed to be rare... It is, Andski looked up Isogen instead of Trit. You need 3.7b Trit for an Erebus.
Oh god, does this mean we'll need 21 guys? |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:30:00 -
[415] - Quote
Polly Oxford wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Andski wrote:the trit needed to build an ME0 Erebus with ME100 components: 54,129,570
that's 18,025,147 veldspar, less than 200 hulk hours
oh man that's way too much for the massive number of hisec hulk miners to produce 200 hulk hours? Man, It would take TWENTY miners to mine that amount of veldspar in 10 hours. Where the hell are we going to find twenty people? What, WHAT? I thought it would be more than just 200 hulk hours. Sheesh, and these were supposed to be rare... It is, Andski looked up Isogen instead of Trit. You need 3.7b Trit for an Erebus.
Crappy website shows me with a no ME on any BPO 4.1b Trit. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:30:00 -
[416] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Polly Oxford wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Andski wrote:the trit needed to build an ME0 Erebus with ME100 components: 54,129,570
that's 18,025,147 veldspar, less than 200 hulk hours
oh man that's way too much for the massive number of hisec hulk miners to produce 200 hulk hours? Man, It would take TWENTY miners to mine that amount of veldspar in 10 hours. Where the hell are we going to find twenty people? What, WHAT? I thought it would be more than just 200 hulk hours. Sheesh, and these were supposed to be rare... It is, Andski looked up Isogen instead of Trit. You need 3.7b Trit for an Erebus. Crappy website shows me with a no ME on any BPO 4.1b Trit.
Does that include PE5? |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:31:00 -
[417] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Polly Oxford wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Andski wrote:the trit needed to build an ME0 Erebus with ME100 components: 54,129,570
that's 18,025,147 veldspar, less than 200 hulk hours
oh man that's way too much for the massive number of hisec hulk miners to produce 200 hulk hours? Man, It would take TWENTY miners to mine that amount of veldspar in 10 hours. Where the hell are we going to find twenty people? What, WHAT? I thought it would be more than just 200 hulk hours. Sheesh, and these were supposed to be rare... It is, Andski looked up Isogen instead of Trit. You need 3.7b Trit for an Erebus. Oh god, does this mean we'll need 21 guys?
You'd need more guys as quite a few would be getting blown up. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:32:00 -
[418] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Does that include PE5?
The site is 0 me 0 pe, no idea about character skills affecting stuff as as I've never made anything :P |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4079
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:34:00 -
[419] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Polly Oxford wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Andski wrote:the trit needed to build an ME0 Erebus with ME100 components: 54,129,570
that's 18,025,147 veldspar, less than 200 hulk hours
oh man that's way too much for the massive number of hisec hulk miners to produce 200 hulk hours? Man, It would take TWENTY miners to mine that amount of veldspar in 10 hours. Where the hell are we going to find twenty people? What, WHAT? I thought it would be more than just 200 hulk hours. Sheesh, and these were supposed to be rare... It is, Andski looked up Isogen instead of Trit. You need 3.7b Trit for an Erebus. Crappy website shows me with a no ME on any BPO 4.1b Trit.
hi people actually research their component BPOs "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4080
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:36:00 -
[420] - Quote
3,700,047,890 tritanium is 3700048 veldspar or 14,000 hulk hours
~screw that~ "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
|
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
109
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:40:00 -
[421] - Quote
Andski wrote:3,700,047,890 tritanium is 3700048 veldspar or 14,000 hulk hours
~screw that~
That's only 3500 people mining for 20 hours. (Let's assume they really love mining.)
That could easily be filled without a 'great bot conspiracy'.
|
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:40:00 -
[422] - Quote
Andski wrote:3,700,047,890 tritanium is 3700048 veldspar or 14,000 hulk hours
~screw that~
Would be longer as you'd have to factor in all the time for moving, not all rocks being veld etc. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4080
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:43:00 -
[423] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Andski wrote:3,700,047,890 tritanium is 3700048 veldspar or 14,000 hulk hours
~screw that~ Would be longer as you'd have to factor in all the time for moving, not all rocks being veld etc.
To be fair, that's a ballpark figure - it assumes 2MLU Hulks without orca bonuses and I still went north with the figure anyway. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:47:00 -
[424] - Quote
Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Andski wrote:3,700,047,890 tritanium is 3700048 veldspar or 14,000 hulk hours
~screw that~ Would be longer as you'd have to factor in all the time for moving, not all rocks being veld etc. To be fair, that's a ballpark figure - it assumes 2MLU Hulks without orca bonuses and I still went north with the figure anyway. What about with rorqural bonuses, because clearly it would be safer to mine that veld in nullsec? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
848
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:52:00 -
[425] - Quote
hold up i'm gonna get on a super kill SOUTHERN STYLE |
Orlacc
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
137
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:52:00 -
[426] - Quote
I mine in high sec. I stay alert and use scanner. I have not been ganked in the last year. I suspect what the OP and his ilk want is the ability to safely AFK mine. Otherwise, elves------> that way.
P.S. Don't you tools come looking for me! |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:53:00 -
[427] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: What about with rorqural bonuses
With the upcoming nerf to the Rorqual would people still use it?
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4080
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:54:00 -
[428] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: What about with rorqural bonuses
With the upcoming nerf to the Rorqual would people still use it?
Who said they're nerfing Rorquals? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:56:00 -
[429] - Quote
Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: What about with rorqural bonuses
With the upcoming nerf to the Rorqual would people still use it? Who said they're nerfing Rorquals?
They said they wanted to change bonuses to be on grid only, can't imagine putting a Roqual in a asteroid belt make much sense, unless they except mining bonuses. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1135
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:57:00 -
[430] - Quote
- Nullbears use intel network and take countermeasures when "problem" arises. - Hisecbears use afk button and take no countermeasures before they are already in pod and feeling great desire to open up about it.
Mining in hisec, specially during bearhuntingseason - has become more profitable now that it has been in years. The risk of getting ganked is obviously higher too, but perhaps the actual problem isn't in the ganker.
If they make miners impossible to kill, the mineral prices will drop so low that no-one will make their living out of it any more. The belts will just be full of b... afk miners.
Get |
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4082
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:08:00 -
[431] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Andski wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: What about with rorqural bonuses
With the upcoming nerf to the Rorqual would people still use it? Who said they're nerfing Rorquals? They said they wanted to change bonuses to be on grid only, can't imagine putting a Roqual in a asteroid belt make much sense, unless they except mining bonuses.
oh yeah I forgot about Greyscale being dumb again
btw nullsec miners use grav sites, not belts "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
848
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:09:00 -
[432] - Quote
http://nasgul.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13293755 super successfully commissared |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4082
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:11:00 -
[433] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:http://nasgul.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13293755 super successfully commissared
a wyvern? lame "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:16:00 -
[434] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I see no egg, never did I say ALL, only you did. * Flings poop back at the doctor. But the logic is against -any- 0.0 players being stupid enough to kill their isk/hr to go mine in high sec. I mean, I'm sure one or two do, but we're trying to save as many as we can.
So... say you succeed at getting all the players to stop mining, and Sreegs succeeds in removing all the bots, who makes the ships? http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
786
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:17:00 -
[435] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:only certain highsec miners feel entitled to afk fly in failfitted ships.
Oh, those FailFit Phoenix's down 'there' just don't count huh ? Ask Helicity about those. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
848
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:17:00 -
[436] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:only certain highsec miners feel entitled to afk fly in failfitted ships. Oh, those FailFit Phoenix's down 'there' just don't count huh ? Ask Helicity about those. Was there some sort of call to buff supers after the kill? Because if not, your attempted comeback doesn't really work. |
Syntechh
Hedion University Amarr Empire
5
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:19:00 -
[437] - Quote
I do agree with this topic, The more we treat new players nicely.. the more kills i can get from scrubs in 0.0. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:19:00 -
[438] - Quote
Eternium get banned? he stopped trolling http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
786
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:20:00 -
[439] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:only certain highsec miners feel entitled to afk fly in failfitted ships. Oh, those FailFit Phoenix's down 'there' just don't count huh ? Ask Helicity about those. Was there some sort of call to buff supers after the kill? Because if not, your attempted comeback doesn't really work.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13234969 "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
848
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:21:00 -
[440] - Quote
Andski wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:http://nasgul.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13293755 super successfully commissared a wyvern? lame Apparently there was some dispute between the super pilot and leadership over ratting, and drama over an e-girlfriend even though both males involved are married. So his ceo got so mad he had a interalliance awox party
welcome to da south |
|
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:22:00 -
[441] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:So... say you succeed at getting all the players to stop mining, and Sreegs succeeds in removing all the bots, who makes the ships? Lets try it and see.
Ok, so lets start with the part that doesn't require coordinating tons of players: Hm, for Sreegs to remove all the bots, uh ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4084
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:27:00 -
[442] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Andski wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:http://nasgul.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13293755 super successfully commissared a wyvern? lame Apparently there was some dispute between the super pilot and leadership over ratting, and drama over an e-girlfriend even though both males involved are married. So his ceo got so mad he had a interalliance awox party welcome to da south
the north is so boring, no joke "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
37
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:28:00 -
[443] - Quote
there is only one thing to say to this
http://e621.net/data/13/53/13533b5c5888d6d032176e6590345279.swf |
Jonah Gravenstein
280
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:28:00 -
[444] - Quote
ITT people doing the ganking are giving advice on how to tank your Hulk so that they can't gank you, the people being ganked are still whining because actually fitting a tank and paying attention screws with their max yield.
Newsflash
It's HULKAGEDDON, don't whine like little pansies when you get ganked in an untanked (well may as well be from some of the fits I've seen dying) hulk when you ignore the advice given by the predators in this scenario on how to minimise the risks.
It's a miners choice to mine in untanked/ poorly tanked ships, it's a PVPers wet dream when those miners explode and shed tears. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
106
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:33:00 -
[445] - Quote
CCP could stop botting miners by changing the way mining is done and make it more interactive, they won't, they won't because then all those people that do bot, especially the botters for the large corps would stop playing. They don't try to stop mission botters either...it would cut into their wallet and they know it. CCP says that they give players the means to play the game as they like, yet they really don't.
If they did hulks would have a better tank and require a couple of BS's to take it down - in a gank situation. Risk vs reward. When an alt can train up and fly a ship that cost 2mil and blow up a ship that cost 300mil that is an imbalance.
Nobody is saying totally remove the ability to take out a hulk, but at least make it harder for people to grief. It is griefing. Plan and simple. This has nothing to do with botters. It has everything to do with people that just love to mess with other players.
Sure EVE is a cold hearted ***** at times, but is shouldn't be that way 24/7.
I am not advocating less violence. I am advocating that the game be balanced. You want to gank that miner it should a risk. It should cost. And it should be somewhat difficult. As it stands now, it doesn't take much to pop a barge. All it takes is an alt with enough skill points and 2 mil isk. You can do it less than week. It is a throw away character. Where is the balance for risk vs reward in that. There is none. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4084
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:34:00 -
[446] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:They don't try to stop mission botters either...it would cut into their wallet and they know it
yeah they totally didn't permaban a bunch of dudes last month "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
106
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:37:00 -
[447] - Quote
Andski wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:They don't try to stop mission botters either...it would cut into their wallet and they know it yeah they totally didn't permaban a bunch of dudes last month
They do that once in a blue ******* moon to appease the masses when things start getting out of control and people are bitching about botters. It'll be another year or two before they do it again.
|
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
388
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:50:00 -
[448] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:CCP could stop botting miners by changing the way mining is done and make it more interactive, they won't, they won't because then all those people that do bot, especially the botters for the large corps would stop playing. They don't try to stop mission botters either...it would cut into their wallet and they know it. CCP says that they give players the means to play the game as they like, yet they really don't.
If they did hulks would have a better tank and require a couple of BS's to take it down - in a gank situation. Risk vs reward. When an alt can train up and fly a ship that cost 2mil and blow up a ship that cost 300mil that is an imbalance.
Nobody is saying totally remove the ability to take out a hulk, but at least make it harder for people to grief. It is griefing. Plan and simple. This has nothing to do with botters. It has everything to do with people that just love to mess with other players.
Sure EVE is a cold hearted ***** at times, but is shouldn't be that way 24/7.
I am not advocating less violence. I am advocating that the game be balanced. You want to gank that miner it should a risk. It should cost. And it should be somewhat difficult. As it stands now, it doesn't take much to pop a barge. All it takes is an alt with enough skill points and 2 mil isk. You can do it less than week. It is a throw away character. Where is the balance for risk vs reward in that. There is none.
So once again, why not gather all your little pissed off mining buddies and come to VFK and put us in our place? It'd be a lot more effective than coming to the forums and whining about it. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:52:00 -
[449] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:
So once again, why not gather all your little pissed off mining buddies and come to VFK and put us in our place? It'd be a lot more effective than coming to the forums and whining about it.
Nope, not interested thanks for asking tho
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4084
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:53:00 -
[450] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:When an alt can train up and fly a ship that cost 2mil and blow up a ship that cost 300mil that is an imbalance.
There is no such thing as an ISK tank in this game. There is also no reason why that 300M Hulk needs to die to a lone Catalyst unless it's untanked - which they usually are. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
|
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:57:00 -
[451] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Lapine Davion wrote: So once again, why not gather all your little pissed off mining buddies and come to VFK and put us in our place? It'd be a lot more effective than coming to the forums and whining about it.
Nope, not interested thanks for asking tho Oh well, continue whining on the forums then. That'll show us!
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
131
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:58:00 -
[452] - Quote
OP is right on the money. Miners are the tools of the game. When some PVP player loses an expensive ship, he turns to banking to repair his kill board. Nothing is risked. The loss of the ship is certain, of course, but the salvage is of greater value, and there is no loss recorded for his kill board. Killing the mining barge of a real player is worth the ship loss and add to the pilots badass image. There are even minutes of the CSM where this is discussed as one justification for leaving mining in the game, so that there are always sitting ducks to shoot. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
388
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 18:00:00 -
[453] - Quote
Ban Bindy wrote:OP is right on the money. Miners are the tools of the game. When some PVP player loses an expensive ship, he turns to banking to repair his kill board. Nothing is risked. The loss of the ship is certain, of course, but the salvage is of greater value, and there is no loss recorded for his kill board. Killing the mining barge of a real player is worth the ship loss and add to the pilots badass image. There are even minutes of the CSM where this is discussed as one justification for leaving mining in the game, so that there are always sitting ducks to shoot.
Did you say that Miners are huge tools? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
388
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 18:00:00 -
[454] - Quote
Ban Bindy wrote:OP is right on the money. Miners are the tools of the game. When some PVP player loses an expensive ship, he turns to banking to repair his kill board. Nothing is risked. The loss of the ship is certain, of course, but the salvage is of greater value, and there is no loss recorded for his kill board. Killing the mining barge of a real player is worth the ship loss and add to the pilots badass image. There are even minutes of the CSM where this is discussed as one justification for leaving mining in the game, so that there are always sitting ducks to shoot.
Miners, this guy just called you all tools, are you going to take that? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 18:04:00 -
[455] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: Oh well, continue whining on the forums then. That'll show us!
Why would I want to show you?
I think the game is currently great, nothing much to whine about flying round exploring high sec doing a little salvaging it's all good. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 18:05:00 -
[456] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote: Miners, this guy just called you all tools, are you going to take that?
People are entitled to their opinions, leave the nice man alone. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
153
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 18:16:00 -
[457] - Quote
Guys, sometimes when I use this ship in a mission, the rats kill it. I think CCP should reduce the rat damage. Its just not fair.
[Megathron, gankfit] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range 100MN Afterburner II
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Large Auxiliary Thrusters I Large Auxiliary Thrusters I
|
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 18:18:00 -
[458] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:It is griefing. Plan and simple..
were this true CCP would action them
I was goong to ask what the last time someone was banned for this but then I thought "has ANYONE EVER been banned for this?"
Lapine Davion wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:CCP could stop botting miners by changing the way mining is done and make it more interactive, they won't, they won't because then all those people that do bot, especially the botters for the large corps would stop playing. They don't try to stop mission botters either...it would cut into their wallet and they know it. CCP says that they give players the means to play the game as they like, yet they really don't.
If they did hulks would have a better tank and require a couple of BS's to take it down - in a gank situation. Risk vs reward. When an alt can train up and fly a ship that cost 2mil and blow up a ship that cost 300mil that is an imbalance.
Nobody is saying totally remove the ability to take out a hulk, but at least make it harder for people to grief. It is griefing. Plan and simple. This has nothing to do with botters. It has everything to do with people that just love to mess with other players.
Sure EVE is a cold hearted ***** at times, but is shouldn't be that way 24/7.
I am not advocating less violence. I am advocating that the game be balanced. You want to gank that miner it should a risk. It should cost. And it should be somewhat difficult. As it stands now, it doesn't take much to pop a barge. All it takes is an alt with enough skill points and 2 mil isk. You can do it less than week. It is a throw away character. Where is the balance for risk vs reward in that. There is none. So once again, why not gather all your little pissed off mining buddies and come to VFK and put us in our place? It'd be a lot more effective than coming to the forums and whining about it.
Or better yet and more effectively, take you an all your mining buddies and unsub a while. Its the only thing CCP gives a **** about http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 18:20:00 -
[459] - Quote
oops http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
149
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 18:24:00 -
[460] - Quote
Takseen wrote:Guys, sometimes when I use this ship in a mission, the rats kill it. I think CCP should reduce the rat damage. Its just not fair.
[Megathron, gankfit] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range 100MN Afterburner II
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Large Auxiliary Thrusters I Large Auxiliary Thrusters I lolfail. You can easily fit another rig on there... +1 in local |
|
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
202
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 18:29:00 -
[461] - Quote
People do not play eve because it's a happy, pleasant, rainbow and sunshines place. New Eden is a cold, dark, scary place where a man can make unimaginable wealth if he's willing to put his ass on the line.
Pilots don't feel accomplished overcoming a rock in space. Players play eve because every new ship, every upgraded modules, every single isk is a triumph. Withotu adversity, there is no victory, no reward, and no game.
The only thing between you and the cold void of space is a thin sheet of rolled tungsten and the good will of the guy with the bigger gun, and that is exciting. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4084
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 18:29:00 -
[462] - Quote
guys I was ratting in an istabbed nyx and I got popped by 3 hurricanes and a bomber this is unfair "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
600
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 18:47:00 -
[463] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:The only thing between you and the cold void of space is a thin sheet of rolled tungsten and the good will of the guy with the bigger gun, and that is exciting. You don't like shield tanking, I take it?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2145
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 18:49:00 -
[464] - Quote
Another one of these clueless threads. More dumb people seem to be playing Eve day by day. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
202
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 19:00:00 -
[465] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:The only thing between you and the cold void of space is a thin sheet of rolled tungsten and the good will of the guy with the bigger gun, and that is exciting. You don't like shield tanking, I take it?
I do both, actually, but armor is my first love. It was more a turn of phrase. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 19:02:00 -
[466] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:It is griefing. Plan and simple.. were this true CCP would action them I was goong to ask what the last time someone was banned for this but then I thought "has ANYONE EVER been banned for this?" Lapine Davion wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:CCP could stop botting miners by changing the way mining is done and make it more interactive, they won't, they won't because then all those people that do bot, especially the botters for the large corps would stop playing. They don't try to stop mission botters either...it would cut into their wallet and they know it. CCP says that they give players the means to play the game as they like, yet they really don't.
If they did hulks would have a better tank and require a couple of BS's to take it down - in a gank situation. Risk vs reward. When an alt can train up and fly a ship that cost 2mil and blow up a ship that cost 300mil that is an imbalance.
Nobody is saying totally remove the ability to take out a hulk, but at least make it harder for people to grief. It is griefing. Plan and simple. This has nothing to do with botters. It has everything to do with people that just love to mess with other players.
Sure EVE is a cold hearted ***** at times, but is shouldn't be that way 24/7.
I am not advocating less violence. I am advocating that the game be balanced. You want to gank that miner it should a risk. It should cost. And it should be somewhat difficult. As it stands now, it doesn't take much to pop a barge. All it takes is an alt with enough skill points and 2 mil isk. You can do it less than week. It is a throw away character. Where is the balance for risk vs reward in that. There is none. So once again, why not gather all your little pissed off mining buddies and come to VFK and put us in our place? It'd be a lot more effective than coming to the forums and whining about it. Or better yet and more effectively, take you an all your mining buddies and unsub a while. Its the only thing CCP gives a **** about
Thus proving that miners don't really care about the success of Eve at all. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
407
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 19:06:00 -
[467] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Thus proving that miners don't really care about the success of Eve at all. A) they care about "their" eve B) they don't give a **** about "your" eve...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 19:08:00 -
[468] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Thus proving that miners don't really care about the success of Eve at all. A) they care about "their" eve B) they don't give a **** about "your" eve...
Their Eve is the same one we all play. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
407
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 19:13:00 -
[469] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Thus proving that miners don't really care about the success of Eve at all. A) they care about "their" eve B) they don't give a **** about "your" eve... Their Eve is the same one we all play. "Goons aren't out to ruin the game, they're out to ruin *your* game" - somehow, I"m not so sure about that.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Josef Djugashvilis
148
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 19:15:00 -
[470] - Quote
How often do goon alts post nonsense in the forums, just so other goons can attack their 'supposed' views?
The real aim being self - promotion by the goons, on the basis of 'any publicity is good publicity.'
You want fries with that? |
|
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
154
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 20:14:00 -
[471] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:How often do goon alts post nonsense in the forums, just so other goons can attack their 'supposed' views?
The real aim being self - promotion by the goons, on the basis of 'any publicity is good publicity.'
Funny, 6 months ago everyone was accused of being a CCP dev alt instead. And Devs are accused of being Goons. Argh its so confusing!
|
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 20:17:00 -
[472] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Thus proving that miners don't really care about the success of Eve at all. A) they care about "their" eve B) they don't give a **** about "your" eve... Their Eve is the same one we all play. "Goons aren't out to ruin the game, they're out to ruin *your* game" - somehow, I"m not so sure about that.
A quote by a drunk guy from how many years ago? A guy who is now the lead of a team involved in making sure the game is clear of cheaters and bots? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
601
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 20:19:00 -
[473] - Quote
Takseen wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:How often do goon alts post nonsense in the forums, just so other goons can attack their 'supposed' views?
The real aim being self - promotion by the goons, on the basis of 'any publicity is good publicity.' Funny, 6 months ago everyone was accused of being a CCP dev alt instead. And Devs are accused of being Goons. Argh its so confusing! I wonder if some of the accusers were actually goon alts. So confusing..
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 20:20:00 -
[474] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Takseen wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:How often do goon alts post nonsense in the forums, just so other goons can attack their 'supposed' views?
The real aim being self - promotion by the goons, on the basis of 'any publicity is good publicity.' Funny, 6 months ago everyone was accused of being a CCP dev alt instead. And Devs are accused of being Goons. Argh its so confusing! I wonder if some of the accusers were actually goon alts. So confusing..
And now we come to the horrifying truth. We are all Goon or Dev alts. Every single poster in GD. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
601
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 20:27:00 -
[475] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Takseen wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:How often do goon alts post nonsense in the forums, just so other goons can attack their 'supposed' views?
The real aim being self - promotion by the goons, on the basis of 'any publicity is good publicity.' Funny, 6 months ago everyone was accused of being a CCP dev alt instead. And Devs are accused of being Goons. Argh its so confusing! I wonder if some of the accusers were actually goon alts. So confusing.. And now we come to the horrifying truth. We are all Goon or Dev alts. Every single poster in GD. I can't unread it now ...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
47
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 20:30:00 -
[476] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Takseen wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:How often do goon alts post nonsense in the forums, just so other goons can attack their 'supposed' views?
The real aim being self - promotion by the goons, on the basis of 'any publicity is good publicity.' Funny, 6 months ago everyone was accused of being a CCP dev alt instead. And Devs are accused of being Goons. Argh its so confusing! I wonder if some of the accusers were actually goon alts. So confusing.. And now we come to the horrifying truth. We are all Goon or Dev alts. Every single poster in GD.
I wanted to be a Goon alt but they wanted to charge me 500 mil ISK |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 20:30:00 -
[477] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Takseen wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:How often do goon alts post nonsense in the forums, just so other goons can attack their 'supposed' views?
The real aim being self - promotion by the goons, on the basis of 'any publicity is good publicity.' Funny, 6 months ago everyone was accused of being a CCP dev alt instead. And Devs are accused of being Goons. Argh its so confusing! I wonder if some of the accusers were actually goon alts. So confusing.. And now we come to the horrifying truth. We are all Goon or Dev alts. Every single poster in GD. I can't unread it now ... It does make things so much more fun to read in this context. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 20:31:00 -
[478] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Takseen wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:How often do goon alts post nonsense in the forums, just so other goons can attack their 'supposed' views?
The real aim being self - promotion by the goons, on the basis of 'any publicity is good publicity.' Funny, 6 months ago everyone was accused of being a CCP dev alt instead. And Devs are accused of being Goons. Argh its so confusing! I wonder if some of the accusers were actually goon alts. So confusing.. And now we come to the horrifying truth. We are all Goon or Dev alts. Every single poster in GD. I wanted to be a Goon alt but they wanted to charge me 500 mil ISK
It's okay, you can be a Dev alt. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Josef Djugashvilis
150
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 21:30:00 -
[479] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Takseen wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:How often do goon alts post nonsense in the forums, just so other goons can attack their 'supposed' views?
The real aim being self - promotion by the goons, on the basis of 'any publicity is good publicity.' Funny, 6 months ago everyone was accused of being a CCP dev alt instead. And Devs are accused of being Goons. Argh its so confusing! I wonder if some of the accusers were actually goon alts. So confusing..
Sorry, but I would never join any corp which uses terms such as, aspie, sperg, pubbie etc.
The use of such terms lets down the user far more than it could ever insult the intended target.
I am for too old for such childish school ground nonsense. You want fries with that? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 21:32:00 -
[480] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Takseen wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:How often do goon alts post nonsense in the forums, just so other goons can attack their 'supposed' views?
The real aim being self - promotion by the goons, on the basis of 'any publicity is good publicity.' Funny, 6 months ago everyone was accused of being a CCP dev alt instead. And Devs are accused of being Goons. Argh its so confusing! I wonder if some of the accusers were actually goon alts. So confusing.. Sorry, but I would never join any corp which uses terms such as, aspie, sperg, pubbie etc. The use of such terms lets down the user far more than it could ever insult the intended target. I am for too old for such childish school ground nonsense.
Okay? Good for you on pointing out how great you are for not using mean words? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
|
Josef Djugashvilis
150
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 21:51:00 -
[481] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Takseen wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:How often do goon alts post nonsense in the forums, just so other goons can attack their 'supposed' views?
The real aim being self - promotion by the goons, on the basis of 'any publicity is good publicity.' Funny, 6 months ago everyone was accused of being a CCP dev alt instead. And Devs are accused of being Goons. Argh its so confusing! I wonder if some of the accusers were actually goon alts. So confusing.. Sorry, but I would never join any corp which uses terms such as, aspie, sperg, pubbie etc. The use of such terms lets down the user far more than it could ever insult the intended target. I am for too old for such childish school ground nonsense. Okay? Good for you on pointing out how great you are for not using mean words?
You are most welcome.
When you grow up you will probably feel the same about the use of childish spiteful insults. You want fries with that? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
393
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 21:52:00 -
[482] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Sorry, but I would never join any corp which uses terms such as, aspie, sperg, pubbie etc.
The use of such terms lets down the user far more than it could ever insult the intended target.
I am for too old for such childish school ground nonsense.
Okay? Good for you on pointing out how great you are for not using mean words? You are most welcome. When you grow up you will probably feel the same about the use of childish spiteful insults.
When I grow up I want to be the first female president! Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
91
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 22:03:00 -
[483] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Sorry, but I would never join any corp which uses terms such as, aspie, sperg, pubbie etc.
The use of such terms lets down the user far more than it could ever insult the intended target.
I am for too old for such childish school ground nonsense.
I take it you don't like **** jokes, either? |
Josef Djugashvilis
150
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 22:03:00 -
[484] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
When I grow up I want to be the first female president!
Interesting, I never wanted to be anything.
I never wanted to be anything.
I got my wish. You want fries with that? |
Josef Djugashvilis
150
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 22:05:00 -
[485] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Sorry, but I would never join any corp which uses terms such as, aspie, sperg, pubbie etc.
The use of such terms lets down the user far more than it could ever insult the intended target.
I am for too old for such childish school ground nonsense.
I take it you don't like **** jokes, either?
Do not know any asterisk jokes, so I do not know if I am for or against them. You want fries with that? |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
854
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 22:08:00 -
[486] - Quote
let's get lectured about class by a guy who named himself after a murderous dictator |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
48
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 22:18:00 -
[487] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:murderous dictator
You say those words like that's a bad thing to be.
|
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
17
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 22:18:00 -
[488] - Quote
Eryn Velasquez wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Null sec "play areas" are protected by players. High sec is protected by an omnipresent and omnipotent NPC police... Protection would mean, Concord/Navy/Faction Police kills criminals with >-5 secstatus before they gank somebody.
This fix would make sense to me. If you have a reputation as a pirate, it would be similar to a few hundred years ago on the high seas where known pirates were taken down by any Navy in the world - shoot first and try them later. If your sec status is -5 or below, you're either a pirate or a griefer.. or you hunt in low-sec (and IMO, there should no sec loss for attacking in low-sec). So Concord should blast you on sight. It always amazes me when I see people with -10 status sitting around unmolested by Concord in high sec zones. If you have an alt that you've used to grief to that point, then you should have to spend a lot of time ratting in low or nullsec to recover the security to enter high-sec again. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
393
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 22:20:00 -
[489] - Quote
Shea Valerien wrote:Eryn Velasquez wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Null sec "play areas" are protected by players. High sec is protected by an omnipresent and omnipotent NPC police... Protection would mean, Concord/Navy/Faction Police kills criminals with >-5 secstatus before they gank somebody. This fix would make sense to me. If you have a reputation as a pirate, it would be similar to a few hundred years ago on the high seas where known pirates were taken down by any Navy in the world - shoot first and try them later. If your sec status is -5 or below, you're either a pirate or a griefer.. or you hunt in low-sec (and IMO, there should no sec loss for attacking in low-sec). So Concord should blast you on sight. It always amazes me when I see people with -10 status sitting around unmolested by Concord in high sec zones. If you have an alt that you've used to grief to that point, then you should have to spend a lot of time ratting in low or nullsec to recover the security to enter high-sec again.
Concord historically is only a punishing force. It isn't there to protect anyone, it's there to intimidate the potential pirates with the loss of their ship. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1398
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 22:38:00 -
[490] - Quote
Andski wrote:Who knows? Could be anything.
I just can't bring myself to stop on your posts when all I see is some fudge packer fellating himself. Thank God you at least close cropped it.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
|
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
602
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 22:41:00 -
[491] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Concord historically is only a punishing force. It isn't there to protect anyone, it's there to intimidate the potential pirates with the loss of their ship. They and they must track every bullet fired in highsec. Quite a challenge, I would imagine.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Josef Djugashvilis
150
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 22:43:00 -
[492] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:let's get lectured about class by a guy who named himself after a murderous dictator
wiki is your friend huh
Best summary I have eaver heard of Uncle Joe.
He was a murdering b**t**d who built some factories. You want fries with that? |
TheButcherPete
Specter Syndicate CORE Alliance
161
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 22:53:00 -
[493] - Quote
@ OP
Can I have your stuff when you quit?
If you feel that 0.0 is safer, why the f*ck aren't you living there yet? My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
|
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
393
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 23:09:00 -
[494] - Quote
TheButcherPete wrote:@ OP
Can I have your stuff when you quit?
If you feel that 0.0 is safer, why the f*ck aren't you living there yet?
From what I was told earlier in the thread, nullsec is boring. Or they aren't interested in taking space from Goonswarm. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
51
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 23:25:00 -
[495] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote: From what I was told earlier in the thread, nullsec is boring. Or they aren't interested in taking space from Goonswarm.
close enough I guess |
Alexa Coates
The Scope Gallente Federation
111
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 23:33:00 -
[496] - Quote
why the **** does this thread have 25 pages, jesus christ, everyone chill the hell out. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
51
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 23:36:00 -
[497] - Quote
Alexa Coates wrote:why the **** does this thread have 25 pages, jesus christ, everyone chill the hell out.
Mostly because I'm posting alot and no need to fret I'm fine chilling isn't required. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
67
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 23:50:00 -
[498] - Quote
Andski wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:empire dwellers now realizing after 5 years that their endless injection of low-end minerals went somewhere they seem to think that all those buy orders are from NPCs
I am pretty sure most of them do. |
Merrc
Shrike Technologies
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 23:54:00 -
[499] - Quote
Many of the older industrial players feel sympathetic to the newer ones...especially the ones who have several accounts with TII bpos, because quite frankly the things are isk printing presses. Once you acquire several trillion isk worth of items you begin to do odd things, playing Jita like the craps table etc.etc. One of the odder things is you do is sit back and profit from all the high sec killing going on. The null corps no longer fight like they used to so anytime ships are being destroyed (even in High sec) the isk keeps turning. I could care less about mining at this point...but i do recall what it was like to grind the ore to make ithe 1st bship or the 1st billion, and I feel newer players should be given the same opportunity older ones had, be it new ships or whatever. There will never be equilibrium but a fighting chance seems sporting. The sandbox is getting a bit crowded at this point, some of the kids have grown into adults or at worst juvenille delinquents, maybe a bigger playground or more supervision...i dunno.
|
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
51
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 00:02:00 -
[500] - Quote
Ludi Burek wrote:Andski wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:empire dwellers now realizing after 5 years that their endless injection of low-end minerals went somewhere they seem to think that all those buy orders are from NPCs I am pretty sure most of them do.
I'm pretty sure they don't really care one way or another where they go. |
|
Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
400
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 00:16:00 -
[501] - Quote
Ludi Burek wrote:Null sec risk, is risk taken on willingly. High sec "risk" is taken on unknowingly by choosing to be totally oblivious to the world you live in.
Hey Lando, Nulsec risk only exists in certain places, and certainly not in the choicest and juiciest regions of nulsec.
But I digress...the OP said one thing I want to correct. Losec does have risk, I'd wager the most risk of all the regions in the game. No sovereignty to hide behind, no kill with no consequence (even if it is secstat loss), no safety without working for it.
Buff Losec, it more than deserves it and it's time for it has come. To call me a Carebear is a misnomer...while it is true that I am hairy like a bear (or two russian women), I really don't care.-á Like, at all.-á Call me an Apathybear.-á Just don't call if you need assistance. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
604
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 00:43:00 -
[502] - Quote
Ludi Burek wrote:Andski wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:empire dwellers now realizing after 5 years that their endless injection of low-end minerals went somewhere they seem to think that all those buy orders are from NPCs I am pretty sure most of them do. Well NPC seeding used to happen a decent amount in the past, right?
I don't just mean stuff like refining shuttles. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
14
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 01:07:00 -
[503] - Quote
malaire wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:... So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. ... I am highsec trader and I do not care how dangerous it is to fly here. I do not fly here, I just use courier contracts to outsource the risk of getting ganked. So for me there is nothing which needs to be fixed.
Well....I think people can play this game however they want, so if that's fun for you....ok....seems a bit boring, but whatever...it's not all that dangerous to fly around....a little risk spices up the game anyhow... |
Shian Yang
79
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 02:18:00 -
[504] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.
Greetings capsuleer,
The Council of Stellar Management exists to take issues to CCP. Under their charter you can promote a topic in Jita Park Speakers Corner and, if you get sufficient support, will force them to discuss and potentially take this to CCP. You will however need to ensure the message gets out to sufficient players; which will mean getting your arse out of that capsule and communicating.
So there are avenues to use, no matter how misguided I think you are being and how wrong your understanding of New Eden is.
I look forward to reading your post in Jita Park Speakers Corner and seeing the level of support it garners.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx Luna Sanguinem
77
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 09:57:00 -
[505] - Quote
Clearly the best tank for a Hulk
|
Roime
Shiva Furnace
655
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 10:59:00 -
[506] - Quote
This thread has proven (to me, most probably old news to many others) that hisec miners who whine about gankers:
1) have absolutely no ******* clue how to fit their expensive ship
2) are completely reluctant to even discuss ship fitting, even when good fits are posted for their benefit. Props to Andski and Malcanis.
Only one who reacted didn't understand fitting implants or damage types.
I'm losing my hope for mankind. ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Lady Vamp
Ntak Inc.
1
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 11:20:00 -
[507] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?
Price a catalyst. Price a hulk.
People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.
Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.
People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.
CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.
They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."
If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.
So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.
Maybe there should be some sort of fine like when you are caught with illegal drugs |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
61
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 16:02:00 -
[508] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote: Personally I do not care either way, what astounds me is the number of people who are not willing to work for anything and try to use some faulty moral code along with their helplessness to justify their request for others to do things.
Yes, all that lazy people who got a wife, two children, friends, relatives, work 50 hours a week, do 2 hours comnmuting, and won't invest their bloody time in playing EVE like True Manly Men.
What? Get lost....
I got a wife, a mba, a job, work 50 or more ours per week, have parents, lose more hours i transit than I would like and manage to have a social life.
I still manage to invest time in the game, and do a lot of things.
Not sure what the point of your post is.
~ 10.058 ~
Free The Mittani |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
61
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 16:11:00 -
[509] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:
fighting a mob of zombies with rainbows.
I would buy a game like that.
~ 10.058 ~
Free The Mittani |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3686
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 17:25:00 -
[510] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?
Price a catalyst. Price a hulk.
People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.
Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.
People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.
CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.
They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."
If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.
So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.
That's some good ranting.
What a shame that CCP Diagoras released that actual numbers a few months ago:
0.0 sees ~twelve times* as many ships lost per capita population as high-sec.
Call me when hi sec gets 13 times as violent as it is now, sweetheart. Until then, shush.
*Twelve is a conservative estimate; the real figure is probably about 14x Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
|
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 18:16:00 -
[511] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?
Price a catalyst. Price a hulk.
People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.
Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.
People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?
Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.
CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.
They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."
If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.
So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.
That's some good ranting. What a shame that CCP Diagoras released that actual numbers a few months ago: 0.0 sees ~twelve times* as many ships lost per capita population as high-sec. Call me when hi sec gets 13 times as violent as it is now, sweetheart. Until then, shush. *Twelve is a conservative estimate; the real figure is probably about 14x
Malcanis, yes this is true, more ships are destroyed in 0.0 and low sec than in high sec, but it is simply because that is what 0.0 and low sec is all about - war. High sec was suppose to be an alternative to war 24/7.
Anyway, the people of high sec and 0.0 space need to come together and work this out. Find a solution. One that is amiable to all. We know that EVE is driven by the destruction of ships - we can have that - but does it have to be at the cost of new players?
|
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
532
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 18:32:00 -
[512] - Quote
If high-sec is supposed to be an alternative to 24/7 war, WTF ARE THERE WAR MECHANICS IN-GAME AND WHY IS CCP REVISITING THESE RULES?
The people of null and high-sec come together all the time to work this out. Usually it involves Tornadoes and Thrashers.
If new players can't handle losing ships when they're new (you can't fly a Hulk as a new pilot anyway - claiming otherwise is simpering) they won't be able to handle a loss when they're established due to the onset of hubris.
In short, they want us as little as we want them. The players you so caringly worry about losing were never meant to play this game in the first place. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 18:38:00 -
[513] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:If high-sec is supposed to be an alternative to 24/7 war, WTF ARE THERE WAR MECHANICS IN-GAME AND WHY IS CCP REVISITING THESE RULES?
The people of null and high-sec come together all the time to work this out. Usually it involves Tornadoes and Thrashers.
If new players can't handle losing ships when they're new (you can't fly a Hulk as a new pilot anyway - claiming otherwise is simpering) they won't be able to handle a loss when they're established due to the onset of hubris.
In short, they want us as little as we want them. The players you so caringly worry about losing were never meant to play this game in the first place.
Yes, but where is the risk vs reward CCP and 0.0 pilots are always touting? How is it a risk for a player to skill up an alt and use it for one reason, to grief. There is 0 risk involved in that and easily done. The game would work as it was intended if this was balanced properly. At the time it isn't.
And stop trying to make it seem like you and the others are all hardcore. Blah...we're suppose to be playing a game. One we can all enjoy. Wouldn't it be better if we worked out a solution where this is possible? |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
532
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 18:48:00 -
[514] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:If high-sec is supposed to be an alternative to 24/7 war, WTF ARE THERE WAR MECHANICS IN-GAME AND WHY IS CCP REVISITING THESE RULES?
The people of null and high-sec come together all the time to work this out. Usually it involves Tornadoes and Thrashers.
If new players can't handle losing ships when they're new (you can't fly a Hulk as a new pilot anyway - claiming otherwise is simpering) they won't be able to handle a loss when they're established due to the onset of hubris.
In short, they want us as little as we want them. The players you so caringly worry about losing were never meant to play this game in the first place. Yes, but where is the risk vs reward CCP and 0.0 pilots are always touting? How is it a risk for a player to skill up an alt and use it for one reason, to grief. There is 0 risk involved in that and easily done. The game would work as it was intended if this was balanced properly. At the time it isn't. And stop trying to make it seem like you and the others are all hardcore. Blah...we're suppose to be playing a game. One we can all enjoy. Wouldn't it be better if we worked out a solution where this is possible? There is more risk than you know in ganking:
First, there's the chance that the target will run, leaving you with zero fun for your investment. Kind of like getting ganked does for a miner, I would imagine.
Second, there is the risk that you will be identified in local prior to the gank. Many a time have I been made. Again, no fun derived from my investment.
Third, the risk that nothing good will drop. This leaves my investment wanting in the returns area. Much like a miner who arrives at a belt to find all the good ore is gone already.
Fourth, the miner may actually survive. Then my ship is thrown away for nothing. At this point the miner gets a feeling very akin to the one the ganker was seeking: A thrill. This turn of fortunes can be especially problematic, as it removes all of the ganker's derived enjoyment and transfers it to the miner.
The rewards are usually pretty paltry compared to the risks to be honest.
But what I find most telling is how you try to change the subject. You claim Hulkageddon costs CCP the subscriptions of "new players" but you are really just using a euphemism for "miner" - which is not very flattering at all to you or anybody else in the profession. You claim high-sec is supposed to be a place derived of war, but then you don't answer the tough questions - you just ask more questions - different questions - to hide that you don't have any reasonable argument at all.
I do. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
126
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:12:00 -
[515] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:If high-sec is supposed to be an alternative to 24/7 war, WTF ARE THERE WAR MECHANICS IN-GAME AND WHY IS CCP REVISITING THESE RULES?
The people of null and high-sec come together all the time to work this out. Usually it involves Tornadoes and Thrashers.
If new players can't handle losing ships when they're new (you can't fly a Hulk as a new pilot anyway - claiming otherwise is simpering) they won't be able to handle a loss when they're established due to the onset of hubris.
In short, they want us as little as we want them. The players you so caringly worry about losing were never meant to play this game in the first place. Yes, but where is the risk vs reward CCP and 0.0 pilots are always touting? How is it a risk for a player to skill up an alt and use it for one reason, to grief. There is 0 risk involved in that and easily done. The game would work as it was intended if this was balanced properly. At the time it isn't. And stop trying to make it seem like you and the others are all hardcore. Blah...we're suppose to be playing a game. One we can all enjoy. Wouldn't it be better if we worked out a solution where this is possible?
I actually agree there should be more risk for suicide gankers, but mechanics of such are ok.
|
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
415
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:10:00 -
[516] - Quote
Here is a whine thread posted by Saia. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alxea
Trauma Ward Winmatar Republic
70
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:14:00 -
[517] - Quote
malaire wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:... So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. ... I am highsec trader and I do not care how dangerous it is to fly here. I do not fly here, I just use courier contracts to outsource the risk of getting ganked. So for me there is nothing which needs to be fixed.
We help your ships get traded! Ships get bought and sold more because we help eve! |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
169
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:19:00 -
[518] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Here is a whine thread posted by Saia.
Your turnips are boiling. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
640
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:21:00 -
[519] - Quote
Alxea wrote:malaire wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:... So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. ... I am highsec trader and I do not care how dangerous it is to fly here. I do not fly here, I just use courier contracts to outsource the risk of getting ganked. So for me there is nothing which needs to be fixed. We help your ships get traded! Ships get bought and sold more because we help eve! Keep up the good work in EVE, an internet spaceships sandbox game! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
418
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:22:00 -
[520] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Here is a whine thread posted by Saia. Your turnips are boiling.
Are you trying to say I'm mad? How can I be mad when I have a bowl of ice cream with candy in it that I am enjoying? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
|
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
640
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:22:00 -
[521] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Here is a whine thread posted by Saia. Your turnips are boiling. Are you trying to say I'm mad? How can I be mad when I have a bowl of ice cream with candy in it that I am enjoying? What kind of ice cream and what candy? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
642
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:44:00 -
[522] - Quote
Pro-tip: Everytime you say hulks need to not failfit and put on a tank, you are making the case stronger that Titan's need to get their XL gun tracking bag. Just saying...if you belive the hulk pilot needs to be pro-active and prevent from being ganked, then **** yeah you failfit subcap battleship blob pilots should be pro-active and not fly those battleships that kept getting ganked by a Titan. I mean, if that battleship dies to overwhelming Titan Alpha DPS like a hulk to a destroyer, then yeah the XL guns need their tracking back so the sub cap pilots don't bring battleships when its obviously that a cap ship has way better tank. Its not the Titan pilot's fault the guys he was shooting at had crappy ships, its the guys flying crappy ships just as much the crappy fits on the hulk.
But who the **** cares, just buff hulks shield hitpoints so the ganker can't use a destroyer as a grief tool and then add skillpoint loss when your ship is blown up like a T3. **** yeah, I want to see miners start losing something of higher value when their ship blows up to the point they don't want to mine and when the ganker can't use a destroyer...well he his pretty much slashing his wrist at the same time. Plus when they go back to null....hehe ******* awesome when hundreds of pilots lose months if not years worth of time added together in just a matter of hours
I still vote for skill point loss when your ship blows up, should be the new metric beyond isk effiency . Gank enough miners, then they will no longer mine and the problem of ganking miners will have solved itself by there being no miners to gank |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
420
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:46:00 -
[523] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Here is a whine thread posted by Saia. Your turnips are boiling. Are you trying to say I'm mad? How can I be mad when I have a bowl of ice cream with candy in it that I am enjoying? What kind of ice cream and what candy?
Breyers vanilla with Toffee Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:46:00 -
[524] - Quote
Aqriue wrote:Pro-tip: Everytime you say hulks need to not failfit and put on a tank, you are making the case stronger that Titan's need to get their XL gun tracking bag. Just saying.. That's fine. We have lots of titans now that can blap people.
Even less effort for the line member, it's hard for me to be too angry about this.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
420
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:47:00 -
[525] - Quote
Aqriue wrote:Pro-tip: Everytime you say hulks need to not failfit and put on a tank, you are making the case stronger that Titan's need to get their XL gun tracking bag. Just saying...if you belive the hulk pilot needs to be pro-active and prevent from being ganked, then **** yeah you failfit subcap battleship blob pilots should be pro-active and not fly those battleships that kept getting ganked by a Titan. I mean, if that battleship dies to overwhelming Titan Alpha DPS like a hulk to a destroyer, then yeah the XL guns need their tracking back so the sub cap pilots don't bring battleships when its obviously that a cap ship has way better tank. Its not the Titan pilot's fault the guys he was shooting at had crappy ships, its the guys flying crappy ships just as much the crappy fits on the hulk. But who the **** cares, just buff hulks shield hitpoints so the ganker can't use a destroyer as a grief tool and then add skillpoint loss when your ship is blown up like a T3. **** yeah, I want to see miners start losing something of higher value when their ship blows up to the point they don't want to mine and when the ganker can't use a destroyer...well he his pretty much slashing his wrist at the same time. Plus when they go back to null....hehe ******* awesome when hundreds of pilots lose months if not years worth of time added together in just a matter of hours I still vote for skill point loss when your ship blows up, should be the new metric beyond isk effiency . Gank enough miners, then they will no longer mine and the problem of ganking miners will have solved itself by there being no miners to gank
You're right, everyone in nullsec just needs to own a titan. I'm sure that will solve all the problems. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:54:00 -
[526] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:You're right, everyone in nullsec just needs to own a titan. I'm sure that will solve all the problems. Actually no
As long as our supercapital fleet is big enough, the rest of us can let them have fun while aspir----
wait a sec, that sounds like PL or NC.
(At least they can log in and shoot things.) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
420
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:56:00 -
[527] - Quote
Seriously, if the only way to counter a titan fleet is to bring your own fleet of titans, then everyone should get to buying a titan ASAP. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:58:00 -
[528] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Seriously, if the only way to counter a titan fleet is to bring your own fleet of titans, then everyone should get to buying a titan ASAP. The Mittani said to get titans, and we're cranking them out so no problem. Come on, we're the CFC, it isn't that hard to blob titans like blobbing maels, drakes, rifters etc etc. We're the most dishonorable blobbers you ever met, surely this is a doable challenge.
Give it uh let me see. One full supercap fleet a year maybe? Assuming 40ish titans, 200ish supercarriers and some subcaps for webbing, TP, command etc...
Of course we'd have to use turret titans, not leviathans, since those can't get the amazing instakills on rifters.
Personally I think blobbing tons of dreadnaughts is easier, but there's programs for both so yeah do whichever works for you <3 Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
74
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 05:29:00 -
[529] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:If high-sec is supposed to be an alternative to 24/7 war, WTF ARE THERE WAR MECHANICS IN-GAME AND WHY IS CCP REVISITING THESE RULES?
The people of null and high-sec come together all the time to work this out. Usually it involves Tornadoes and Thrashers.
If new players can't handle losing ships when they're new (you can't fly a Hulk as a new pilot anyway - claiming otherwise is simpering) they won't be able to handle a loss when they're established due to the onset of hubris.
In short, they want us as little as we want them. The players you so caringly worry about losing were never meant to play this game in the first place. Yes, but where is the risk vs reward CCP and 0.0 pilots are always touting? How is it a risk for a player to skill up an alt and use it for one reason, to grief. There is 0 risk involved in that and easily done. The game would work as it was intended if this was balanced properly. At the time it isn't. And stop trying to make it seem like you and the others are all hardcore. Blah...we're suppose to be playing a game. One we can all enjoy. Wouldn't it be better if we worked out a solution where this is possible?
Risk vs reward only comes in when its an argument against miners. Gankers cant ever have it used against them. Time-space shattering and vortices that destroy the universe and all that
lotta red bars there too lol http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3712
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 05:58:00 -
[530] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:If high-sec is supposed to be an alternative to 24/7 war, WTF ARE THERE WAR MECHANICS IN-GAME AND WHY IS CCP REVISITING THESE RULES?
The people of null and high-sec come together all the time to work this out. Usually it involves Tornadoes and Thrashers.
If new players can't handle losing ships when they're new (you can't fly a Hulk as a new pilot anyway - claiming otherwise is simpering) they won't be able to handle a loss when they're established due to the onset of hubris.
In short, they want us as little as we want them. The players you so caringly worry about losing were never meant to play this game in the first place. Yes, but where is the risk vs reward CCP and 0.0 pilots are always touting?
I suppose the risk is that people will stop putting zero tank on a 300M ISK ship and then leaving it sitting in space while going AFK
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
|
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 06:02:00 -
[531] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:If high-sec is supposed to be an alternative to 24/7 war, WTF ARE THERE WAR MECHANICS IN-GAME AND WHY IS CCP REVISITING THESE RULES?
The people of null and high-sec come together all the time to work this out. Usually it involves Tornadoes and Thrashers.
If new players can't handle losing ships when they're new (you can't fly a Hulk as a new pilot anyway - claiming otherwise is simpering) they won't be able to handle a loss when they're established due to the onset of hubris.
In short, they want us as little as we want them. The players you so caringly worry about losing were never meant to play this game in the first place. Yes, but where is the risk vs reward CCP and 0.0 pilots are always touting? I suppose the risk is that people will stop putting zero tank on a 300M ISK ship and then leaving it sitting in space while going AFK It's highsec, they should be able to. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
420
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 06:03:00 -
[532] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:If high-sec is supposed to be an alternative to 24/7 war, WTF ARE THERE WAR MECHANICS IN-GAME AND WHY IS CCP REVISITING THESE RULES?
The people of null and high-sec come together all the time to work this out. Usually it involves Tornadoes and Thrashers.
If new players can't handle losing ships when they're new (you can't fly a Hulk as a new pilot anyway - claiming otherwise is simpering) they won't be able to handle a loss when they're established due to the onset of hubris.
In short, they want us as little as we want them. The players you so caringly worry about losing were never meant to play this game in the first place. Yes, but where is the risk vs reward CCP and 0.0 pilots are always touting? How is it a risk for a player to skill up an alt and use it for one reason, to grief. There is 0 risk involved in that and easily done. The game would work as it was intended if this was balanced properly. At the time it isn't. And stop trying to make it seem like you and the others are all hardcore. Blah...we're suppose to be playing a game. One we can all enjoy. Wouldn't it be better if we worked out a solution where this is possible? Risk vs reward only comes in when its an argument against miners. Gankers cant ever have it used against them. Time-space shattering and vortices that destroy the universe and all that lotta red bars there too lol
You're right, there isn't a whole lot of risk involved in school a high sec miner. But then, the only reward is more tearful posts on the forums. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3714
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 06:23:00 -
[533] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Malcanis wrote:
I suppose the risk is that people will stop putting zero tank on a 300M ISK ship and then leaving it sitting in space while going AFK
It's highsec, they should be able to.
I'm in hi-sec, I deserve free money! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
619
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 06:24:00 -
[534] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:If high-sec is supposed to be an alternative to 24/7 war, WTF ARE THERE WAR MECHANICS IN-GAME AND WHY IS CCP REVISITING THESE RULES?
The people of null and high-sec come together all the time to work this out. Usually it involves Tornadoes and Thrashers.
If new players can't handle losing ships when they're new (you can't fly a Hulk as a new pilot anyway - claiming otherwise is simpering) they won't be able to handle a loss when they're established due to the onset of hubris.
In short, they want us as little as we want them. The players you so caringly worry about losing were never meant to play this game in the first place. Yes, but where is the risk vs reward CCP and 0.0 pilots are always touting? How is it a risk for a player to skill up an alt and use it for one reason, to grief. There is 0 risk involved in that and easily done. The game would work as it was intended if this was balanced properly. At the time it isn't. And stop trying to make it seem like you and the others are all hardcore. Blah...we're suppose to be playing a game. One we can all enjoy. Wouldn't it be better if we worked out a solution where this is possible? Risk vs reward only comes in when its an argument against miners. Gankers cant ever have it used against them. Time-space shattering and vortices that destroy the universe and all that lotta red bars there too lol You're right, there isn't a whole lot of risk involved in school a high sec miner. But then, the only reward is more tearful posts on the forums. People sometimes talk about tears like they're gold. This is wrong. They are more like technetium. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
619
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 06:25:00 -
[535] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Malcanis wrote:
I suppose the risk is that people will stop putting zero tank on a 300M ISK ship and then leaving it sitting in space while going AFK
It's highsec, they should be able to. I'm in hi-sec, I deserve free money! I'm totally sending ISK now...all you had to do was ask. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1449
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 07:08:00 -
[536] - Quote
I was mining with a Wreathe once just for ***** and giggles.
Nobody bothered me.
True story.
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 .. 18 :: [one page] |