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Thatim Roid
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Posted - 2009.04.24 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria blub.
This, pretty much. I mean, Goons are Goons. Your name is backfiring on you in this kind of stuff.
Don't get me wrong, I would join Goonswarm anyday if I get the chance, but your name is all about drama, violence, scamming and beeing evil.
And when people want to invest, they don't want it.
I don't know if this is a scam or not, but simply the tag GS ruins it for you.
This would be the same if Kalasnikov (sp?) decides to start a fund to help the war against guns. Would you trust them with that money? You wont take them serieus either.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2009.04.24 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: corestwo on 24/04/2009 20:24:51
Originally by: Thatim Roid
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria blub.
This, pretty much. I mean, Goons are Goons. Your name is backfiring on you in this kind of stuff.
Don't get me wrong, I would join Goonswarm anyday if I get the chance, but your name is all about drama, violence, scamming and beeing evil.
And when people want to invest, they don't want it.
I don't know if this is a scam or not, but simply the tag GS ruins it for you.
This would be the same if Kalasnikov (sp?) decides to start a fund to help the war against guns. Would you trust them with that money? You wont take them serieus either.
Oops, dare I say it? Seems like the "posted without reading" trap has been sprung again. Had you done so you'd know that I'm not asking for money, I was replying to an interested person. Besides Kazzac's point is really that a goon venture could succeed, it would just have to be properly secured and backed.
I have a feeling that if I were asking for money, the thread would be much longer and probably quite a bit more entertaining.
Originally by: Compound Arbitrage 1B sent! LEt me know when the shares are transferred,
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Compound Arbitrage
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Posted - 2009.04.24 20:21:00 -
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1B sent! LEt me know when the shares are transferred,
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2009.04.25 01:27:00 -
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Groinfleet? TL/DR but I'm in.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.04.25 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: corestwo
Oops, dare I say it? Seems like the "posted without reading" trap has been sprung again. Had you done so you'd know that I'm not asking for money, I was replying to an interested person. Besides Kazzac's point is really that a goon venture could succeed, it would just have to be properly secured and backed.
The problem though would be that any goon investment would warrant return amounts well exceeding 7% even with risk management attached to it. I'd almost demand 9% even if you had 80% of the offering locked down somewhere tight in the hands of say escrow style with Ebank or a third party like Bad Bobby, Mr H, Kazou, etc...
Then you get the million dollar question after that. Would a goon truly work their tails off for what would likely be a palty mgt fee from using public funds?
Why do that when they have access to untold billions from within the alliance under the scrutinizing eyes of the alliance members?
Its a paradox of the investment community that is only amplified by the fact that any fund mgr would be a goon as well. You know? |
penifSMASH
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.25 18:02:00 -
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I like this thread because it's exposing the ~serious business~ MD morons for what they are.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2009.04.25 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: penifSMASH I like this thread because it's exposing the ~serious business~ MD morons for what they are.
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Sophie Daigneau
CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.25 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: corestwo
Oops, dare I say it? Seems like the "posted without reading" trap has been sprung again. Had you done so you'd know that I'm not asking for money, I was replying to an interested person. Besides Kazzac's point is really that a goon venture could succeed, it would just have to be properly secured and backed.
The problem though would be that any goon investment would warrant return amounts well exceeding 7% even with risk management attached to it. I'd almost demand 9% even if you had 80% of the offering locked down somewhere tight in the hands of say escrow style with Ebank or a third party like Bad Bobby, Mr H, Kazou, etc...
Then you get the million dollar question after that. Would a goon truly work their tails off for what would likely be a palty mgt fee from using public funds?
Why do that when they have access to untold billions from within the alliance under the scrutinizing eyes of the alliance members?
Its a paradox of the investment community that is only amplified by the fact that any fund mgr would be a goon as well. You know?
Untold billions yes, but Goons generally look for much higher rates of return than the general MD group. 9% would actually be lower than the average Goon loan, although it might not be quite low enough to warrant the extra hoops of the MD crowd. If someone could get 5%-6%, including having assets secured as you mentioned, it'd probably be worth doing as it'd be enough under what Goons would charge to go through the MD hoops.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.04.26 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Daigneau
Untold billions yes, but Goons generally look for much higher rates of return than the general MD group. 9% would actually be lower than the average Goon loan, although it might not be quite low enough to warrant the extra hoops of the MD crowd. If someone could get 5%-6%, including having assets secured as you mentioned, it'd probably be worth doing as it'd be enough under what Goons would charge to go through the MD hoops.
Interesting that you mention that since that generally is working in complete opposite of expectations. Usually as risk goes down, your return requirements go down with it, and has stated previously your goon to goon transactions generally have a very low default.
This would be the equivalent of Capital One charging someone with a 720 credit score a 26% interest rate, while average joe across the street gets a better deal at 15% despite have a credit rating in the tanker.
So I guess its safe to assume then, from here on out that any goon offering is going to have to beat 10% easily even with risk mitigation. |
Sophie Daigneau
CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.26 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Interesting that you mention that since that generally is working in complete opposite of expectations. Usually as risk goes down, your return requirements go down with it, and has stated previously your goon to goon transactions generally have a very low default.
This would be the equivalent of Capital One charging someone with a 720 credit score a 26% interest rate, while average joe across the street gets a better deal at 15% despite have a credit rating in the tanker.
So I guess its safe to assume then, from here on out that any goon offering is going to have to beat 10% easily even with risk mitigation.
And opportunity cost is of course the other variable. Goons have a lot more options to make a lot more money than you do in empire, which is why they're a bit more demanding with return rates.
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Kalrand
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Posted - 2009.04.26 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Daigneau
And opportunity cost is of course the other variable. Goons have a lot more options to make a lot more money than you do in empire, which is why they're a bit more demanding with return rates.
^This!
I'm always floored that people don't know just how lucrative everything is in null sec compared to high sec.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2009.04.26 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: corestwo on 26/04/2009 02:21:39
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Sophie Daigneau
And opportunity cost is of course the other variable. Goons have a lot more options to make a lot more money than you do in empire, which is why they're a bit more demanding with return rates.
^This!
I'm always floored that people don't know just how lucrative everything is in null sec compared to high sec.
Yes this is why many people complain about the relative value of empire L4 missions versus 0.0 ratting or that, when you consider they're mining trit, empire miners make a ridiculous amount compared to 0.0 miners, or...
I mean, not to undermine my fellow corpmate's points, but...
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.04.26 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Sophie Daigneau
And opportunity cost is of course the other variable. Goons have a lot more options to make a lot more money than you do in empire, which is why they're a bit more demanding with return rates.
^This!
I'm always floored that people don't know just how lucrative everything is in null sec compared to high sec.
Risk is also quite a bit higher which has to be factored into your overall cost of operation.
While running null mining ops when it was actually still worth it, I had a running tab of lost ships which was built into our profit calcs. If we lost nothing that day, then good. Roll the amount over for the week and your buffer grows for when you have those days you'd lose every single ship.
Same goes for farming drops or chaining rats.
And when it comes to costs of risks, empire industrial action and trading still outweighs everything you could possible imagine in null.
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SpiderWebMayhem
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.26 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: SpiderWebMayhem on 26/04/2009 03:24:51
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria And when it comes to costs of risks, empire industrial action and trading still outweighs everything you could possible imagine in null.
This really isn't true at all. Perhaps you had bad luck in your nullsec endeavors, or were part of a particularly hostile region.
As a goon I felt immeasurably secure in our old space, far safer than lowsec or highsec. Even our new region in Delve, despite the higher number of hostile gangs, is still a very safe environment. I've never lost a ship while ratting and I'm sure many other goons have had similar experiences. And if they do lose a ship it is to a hostile gang and their own stupidity for not being aligned.
My point being the "risk" involved in nullsec is completely variable based on the corp you are a part of and the regions you own. Nullsec also offers profits from avenues you just can't get in highsec, even with associated "risks". Take capital ship production, moon mining, importation or logistics. All will return a much higher profit margin than the equivalent in empire.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.04.26 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem
My point being the "risk" involved in nullsec is completely variable based on the corp you are a part of and the regions you own. Nullsec also offers profits from avenues you just can't get in highsec, even with associated "risks". Take capital ship production, moon mining, importation or logistics. All will return a much higher profit margin than the equivalent in empire.
I'll grant you that
I just think the security you think you have can change like a fart in the wind because it is null. |
Sophie Daigneau
CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.26 03:48:00 -
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True story, I've lost more freighters in empire than 0.0. How's that "risk" for you.
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PublicRelations Kwint
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.26 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Daigneau True story, I've lost more freighters in empire than 0.0. How's that "risk" for you.
And despite regularly moving tens of billions of ISK in ferrogel I've never lost a shipment in high, low or zero sec. How's that "risk management" for you?
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Ricdic
Caldari Tleilex Developments Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.26 04:10:00 -
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It's scary seeing so many economic goons in one thread. It's like getting your xmas present from Satan Santa.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2009.04.26 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic It's scary seeing so many economic goons in one thread. It's like getting your xmas present from Satan Santa.
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Ricdic
Caldari Tleilex Developments Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.26 04:45:00 -
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That is a lot in the MD forums. They usually only come out to laugh at people who have been scammed
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SpiderWebMayhem
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: PublicRelations Kwint
And despite regularly moving tens of billions of ISK in ferrogel I've never lost a shipment in high, low or zero sec. How's that "risk management" for you?
I do believe you just proved my point.
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Vio Geraci
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.27 08:47:00 -
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Interesting thread, A+++ would read again.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.04.27 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: corestwo In http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1055270 I got a request for a thread/info dump on my business. So hey, why the heck not.
Next time, just ignore them. k?
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