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Ebolak
Vengeance Asset Relocation Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.24 06:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ebolak on 24/04/2009 06:11:12 LOL I hope you put a bit more effort into anything else you do in life. The sad thing is, that in one month you managed to "scam" about 5 or 6 people out of a few hours to maybe a days worth of profits each.
CCP should allow you to attach a little coffee cup to one of your spaceships so we can toss you change while you beg outside of Jita 4..... You would probably make more isk that way.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.04.24 06:11:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 24/04/2009 06:12:40 This reminds me of something....
It reminds of a hobo coming over to you with a really bad attitude, asking you for spare change. When you give it to him, he runs off screaming "LULZ YOU HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF".
Oh well. I'm sorry about your UNI friends getting so little for his money.
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.04.24 07:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 24/04/2009 07:31:36
Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
I remember thinking about something like this coming when I readed your first posts here, but you made me forget that feeling, so maybe I would have bitten on this one. You used the classic now or never, hurry and do it, and I'm ashamed to admit that I failed for it irl once, so I will not delectate on the "I kneew it" thing.
Since you want to answer questions, I some of them: [*]What do the ppl you mention knew?
only the person who hired me [*]Who where the guy who paid you?
im not allowed to say part of my agreement [*]Can you explain us the terms of your arrangement? Your deadline and such things.
what ever i could scam he would pay me that as well
i didnt want to scam that much as i wasnt looking to scam for money i was scamming for some guy writing a paper
what done has been done, this will be the last you see me around here i will be going back to GD now
it was nice talking and knowing you guys
take care
i believe him tbh.. since he could have scammed for more.. still it just doesnt justify anything imo... you where wrong mate... even though it was a supposed uni essay... (wtf?) also, i would like to stress.. it has nothing to do with the 600M its about the trust you broke.. :(
edit: to clarify, your trust was worth more than an uni essay and 600m to me, and im sure some others in the scc and md community... This is a signature not related to EVE |
Ambo
EMMA Test Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.24 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C Some people for example the investors who have invested underneath are all to trusting,I was only in the MD for 1 month.
I think you don't realise how much isk some people have. I'll invest 500 mil - 1 bil as just a 'throwaway' amount of isk in a new player. If no one supports those who are trying to start somthing new then the community will gradually wither away. It's not about trust so much as the fact that I have this cash available and I don't mind risking it.
Perhaps it is not the case for your investors though, you might have actually damaged them financially to some extent. At the least, they will feel betrayed. All for a measly 600 mil... --------------------------------------
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.04.24 08:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 24/04/2009 08:08:31
Originally by: Ambo
Originally by: Armoured C Some people for example the investors who have invested underneath are all to trusting,I was only in the MD for 1 month.
I think you don't realise how much isk some people have. I'll invest 500 mil - 1 bil as just a 'throwaway' amount of isk in a new player. If no one supports those who are trying to start somthing new then the community will gradually wither away. It's not about trust so much as the fact that I have this cash available and I don't mind risking it.
Perhaps it is not the case for your investors though, you might have actually damaged them financially to some extent. At the least, they will feel betrayed. All for a measly 600 mil...
i asked around in the lounge. and ill say the same here. to any of the investors in this particular scam.. that i will cover their losses, since i feel atleast partially guilty of opening up to this scammer, learning him the tricks of the trade etc.... mail me ingame for compensation... i have the original post here, and would need an api to verify the claims..(the api wont be used for anything else that to confirm the transfer of X.X isk to RC...
edit: api is only needed if there is doubt about the investment, atleast one of the investors in here i trust.. and gave the offer already, he kindly rejected :P This is a signature not related to EVE |
Chaos Dreams
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Posted - 2009.04.24 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama i asked around in the lounge. and ill say the same here. to any of the investors in this particular scam.. that i will cover their losses, since i feel atleast partially guilty of opening up to this scammer, learning him the tricks of the trade etc.... mail me ingame for compensation... i have the original post here, and would need an api to verify the claims..(the api wont be used for anything else that to confirm the transfer of X.X isk to RC...
edit: api is only needed if there is doubt about the investment, atleast one of the investors in here i trust.. and gave the offer already, he kindly rejected :P
It's a nice offer, but really you're not to blame. He's to blame for scamming, and we're to blame for falling for it.
Don't know about anyone else, but I saw it more as helping someone capitalize on an opportunity than as an "investment." It sucks that it was a scam, but oh well. It's not a lot of money.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.04.24 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 24/04/2009 11:17:19
I knew that I bought that one share for a good reason. For history.
edit/that other share stuff that is.
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.04.24 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Dreams
Originally by: Ji Sama i asked around in the lounge. and ill say the same here. to any of the investors in this particular scam.. that i will cover their losses, since i feel atleast partially guilty of opening up to this scammer, learning him the tricks of the trade etc.... mail me ingame for compensation... i have the original post here, and would need an api to verify the claims..(the api wont be used for anything else that to confirm the transfer of X.X isk to RC...
edit: api is only needed if there is doubt about the investment, atleast one of the investors in here i trust.. and gave the offer already, he kindly rejected :P
It's a nice offer, but really you're not to blame. He's to blame for scamming, and we're to blame for falling for it.
Don't know about anyone else, but I saw it more as helping someone capitalize on an opportunity than as an "investment." It sucks that it was a scam, but oh well. It's not a lot of money.
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ye your right, it wasnt an investment anymore than it was a friendly loan... as i said in the scc-channel... i would have loaned him 2 billions without the blink of an eye... im just glad he revealed his true nature..
its funny because, i have never scammed and will never scam in my life.. and while i agree to some extend that you could be roleplaying a scammer.. but then again, when ever i create an avatar, i use something within myself, and its just so far away from my world, that you would lie and cheat a friend... a friend... not an ingame friend. but someone who trusted you IRL...
its sad, just sad... glad i didnt loose **** on this.. also the offer stand, its mainly focused on any small fish that lost alot of isk in this. if there arent any.. np! This is a signature not related to EVE |
Turiel Demon
Minmatar Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2009.04.24 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Turiel Demon on 24/04/2009 13:59:11 See this proves I still haven't learned the basic rule of eve commerce: 'if it's too good to be true, it's not true'. Decent work on building up trust in your name mind you, you could have gotten away with a lot more isk. Also kind of you to limit the scamming amount to 100m per person, I'm sure there are quite a few people who would have snapped up the whole amount and lost all that.
Ah well, 20 minutes of gas harvesting wasted
EDIT: to use someone's idea from that other thread:
Well done Dr. Evil, you have your one MILLION dolars! Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature. |
Sir Elliot
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Posted - 2009.04.24 14:37:00 -
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KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!
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wowtard
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Posted - 2009.04.24 18:47:00 -
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I told my wife about this scam and she immediately had a miscarriage. This has to be the most epic scam ever! Truly sir, how do you commit fraud at such a scale and continue to live with yourself?
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.04.24 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ebolak Edited by: Ebolak on 24/04/2009 06:11:12 CCP should allow you to attach a little coffee cup to one of your spaceships so we can toss you change while you beg outside of Jita 4..... You would probably make more isk that way.
/signed
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Claire Marqetts
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Posted - 2009.04.24 20:22:00 -
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Very drastic shift from the eager person I saw chatting in SCC lounge last night.
Seems like a highly unlikely story and if this is the sole basis for your friends paper, he should get a failing grade for lack of scale and imagination.
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SencneS
Amarr Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.04.24 20:49:00 -
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I wish I had invested in this now.. This is a hallmark scam of MD and being a part of it would be like having some prestige!
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Ebolak
Vengeance Asset Relocation Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.24 21:36:00 -
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Ya we can even give it a name for posterity sake....
"The scam that never was"
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Iski Collector
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Posted - 2009.04.24 22:56:00 -
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I just thought I'd point out that the issue here is NOT the amount of ISK that was scammed, but that the scam occurred completely within the view of the Market Development forum. This partially explains the numerous "I don't care, it doesn't bother me" responses - a slightly immature defensive tactic in response to deception.
Armoured C didn't do a very good job of setting up or executing the scam, but the fact that he did succeed indicates that the current IPO/bond system has a lot of flaws. The MD community can just keep flaming away at Armoured C, or we can choose to use this as incentive to make the MD forum a more functional and effective environment. Your thoughts?
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2009.04.24 23:13:00 -
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Didn't mean to 'flame' Armoured C, don't think anyone here would hold this against him, scamming is an important part of eve's culture, though annoying when it happens to you of course. Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature. |
Ebolak
Vengeance Asset Relocation Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.24 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ebolak on 24/04/2009 23:25:12 If you look at Armoured C's posting history and you payed attention to his behavior in SCC, you may come to the same conclusion that some of us have. He behaves very bi-polar, and really doesnt know what he wants out of his character.
I think the uni friend is a made up story, to try and buffer the fact that he got bored trying to trade and make isk, so ran off with a paltry sum.
In order for there to be a scam, I really think there has to be intent to scam. I dont believe he actually intended to scam when he borrowed the chump change. I think he just looked at his wallet and said "meh taking this is easier than working for it"
Its also not much of a scam if the people involved casually tossed him some isk like he was a week old character asking for help, not bothering to worry about collateral or his history.
Its pretty much like LVV stated earlier in this post, if a bum asks you for change and then tells you that you were scammed as he walks away, it doesnt mean you were scammed.
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2009.04.24 23:37:00 -
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Poasting to confirm that this is the best $7 I ever spent
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Iski Collector
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Posted - 2009.04.25 00:26:00 -
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I agree with Ebolak's assessment - the "university paper" probably only exists to help ease the guilt Armoured C is apparently feeling over his actions.
However, I would point out that, despite what some people are trying to claim now, Armoured C did not simply get chump-change handouts. His IPO was published on the forums and met with considerable scrutiny and ridicule, but was eventually fully funded (overfunded, iirc). As I said earlier, the big story isn't the amount of the scam, but that he accomplished it while following the MD forum IPO template.
To illustrate: stealing a candy bar might not be a serious criminal act, but it becomes a little more significant if you steal the candy bar while being watched by a pair of police officers. It becomes even more significant when those same police officers then downplay the event by saying "oh, it's just a candy bar", instead of responding with an appropriate level of concern. I honestly expected a more mature response from at least some of the people in this thread.
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CHAOS100
Widowmakers
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Posted - 2009.04.25 00:30:00 -
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Did anyone actually invest in Armoured C? rofl. Market folk are way too gullible. I'm still holding my laughter until the time when all these 'banks' are revealed as scams. --------------
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2009.04.25 01:00:00 -
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OP (as it stands now), be one thing or the other, but spare MD readers all the BS. I don't want to hear all your whining about how it's not your fault, how you love all the guys you ripped off etc. Just be a straight up guy, good or bad, but save us all the namby pamby crying.
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2009.04.25 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: CHAOS100 Did anyone actually invest in Armoured C? rofl. Market folk are way too gullible. I'm still holding my laughter until the time when all these 'banks' are revealed as scams.
The way I see it, very few start off as scams, but the nature of the 'sandpit' means that almost all will eventually end up as one, or as good as one. You can get as good returns off of long term trades that you look at once a month or less anyway.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.25 02:03:00 -
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The MD 'regulars' aren't responsible for making people's decisions to invest. Some chose to invest in Armoured C of their own accord. They took the risk, they pay the price. You will note on the list of investors that none of them are really regulars. That's not to say that those who invested were in the wrong, but basically they had a set of investor guidelines that were met. Generally the seasoned MD 'regulars' have seen enough crud that we don't settle for anything other than quality opportunities.
But some people here talking about how the regulars should somehow feel responsible for not continuing to attack the OP?? Think for yourselves, stop relying on handouts because there is every chance a regular will one day encourage investment into an IPO/Bond that dies horribly. It has happened before and will happen again. In the end it's your money and your responsibility who you invest in. Don't be a sheep if you don't want to be herded off a cliff. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.04.25 03:29:00 -
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Just figured posting in the failthread is worth it tonight.
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HawkBlade
Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.04.25 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic The MD 'regulars' aren't responsible for making people's decisions
Gotta love the Eve community. Give critical review, I'm an elitist snob. Don't give it, I'm a failol. Any one confused about why I can't stand those mf'ers on the other side of the monitor? To elaborate: Either side of the spectrum are nothing but trolls. They troll the regulars as "elitist" because there is essentially no defense against foundless accusations. Then they troll the regulars when something goes wrong because somehow we're gods that were asleep at the wheel. Truth is: I wasn't asleep, I just don't give a rat's ass about the public body at large. I ask questions that are pertinent to me. If some morons decide to ride my coattails you are free to enjoy the stuff that blows out my bunghole as well. Bobby: This the Shar you more comfortable with?
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.04.25 04:06:00 -
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Ricdic, I don't that those non-regulars invested in this bond because they thought Armoured C was a regular but what made this bond/scam attractive was the high return in short time.
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Solisk
Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
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Posted - 2009.04.25 04:31:00 -
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I guess this shows just how eager some people are to invest in Bonds/IPOs for the sake of investing in them, instead of having an actual reason.
I would like to point out that I have been guilty of this myself. Thankfully, I've learned better with no loss of capital.
Armoured C: The day before you posted this offering, I told you in the SCC channel that I was gonna take you down for fun, in a friendly manner. But then you went and took yourself down before I got back from my trip. Well played, sir. Well played.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.25 05:06:00 -
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Sorry Brock my post was in regards to this comment:
Originally by: Iski Collector I just thought I'd point out that the issue here is NOT the amount of ISK that was scammed, but that the scam occurred completely within the view of the Market Development forum. This partially explains the numerous "I don't care, it doesn't bother me" responses - a slightly immature defensive tactic in response to deception.
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Iski Collector
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Posted - 2009.04.25 05:13:00 -
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Quote: To elaborate: Either side of the spectrum are nothing but trolls. They troll the regulars as "elitist" because there is essentially no defense against foundless accusations. Then they troll the regulars when something goes wrong because somehow we're gods that were asleep at the wheel.
Just to make things clear, I am in NO WAY accusing any of the MD 'regulars' of failing and I thoroughly encourage their continued critical review of all public offerings. The failure, as I see it, is in Eve's investment system as currently structured. There is a tremendous amount of emphasis placed on "trust" and "reputation", directly leading to abnormal weight being given to those with such reputation (the MD regulars). As a result, the regulars end up being "elitist snobs" or "gods asleep at the wheel" - ie, always open to anonymous critiscm simply because of their position. This isn't fair to the regulars, and it definitely doesn't provide for strong investment analysis.
The solution? We need to stop assuming that the current IPO/bond system works well. CCP is by far the most responsive and player-centric MMO on the market - we should be taking full advantage of their willingness to make the game better. Improved investor tools would go a long way towards making scammers work a little harder than Armoured C did and would go even further in encouraging more players to invest in IPO/bond offerings.
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