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Aquinzus
Amarr Modern Marvels
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi Indeed Hardin, with 10000 pilots associated with your thirst for Imperial domination, a little bit of corruption is unavoidable. Probably a good call then to keep all diplomacy behind closed doors.
After reading Hardins response, it sounds logical, and worthy of belief.
And I dont see a problem of keeping diplomacy out of the public eye, because quite frankly it is thier business, and no one elses on what goes on and how they conduct it.
Seems to be just more Anti CVA rabble rabble, it would appear thier success only brings hatred from those who cant do any better than what CVA have accopmplished.
It seems the entire region of Providence and some parts of Catch bar AAA is the only space in zero zero that you can go freely and without fear of distruction from the Landlords. Indeed quite an accomplishment.
One could even say CVA has done more for the Tribe than UK, by offerring this space for anyone to freely enter and operate in as long as they abide the laws.
Unless UK have some space somehwere... I read UK claim to be NRDS, but I dont see anywhere they go without committing acts of Piracy and Terrorism tbh.
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Conlin
Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.06 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Aquinzus
Originally by: Kazzzi Indeed Hardin, with 10000 pilots associated with your thirst for Imperial domination, a little bit of corruption is unavoidable. Probably a good call then to keep all diplomacy behind closed doors.
After reading Hardins response, it sounds logical, and worthy of belief.
And I dont see a problem of keeping diplomacy out of the public eye, because quite frankly it is thier business, and no one elses on what goes on and how they conduct it.
Seems to be just more Anti CVA rabble rabble, it would appear thier success only brings hatred from those who cant do any better than what CVA have accopmplished.
It seems the entire region of Providence and some parts of Catch bar AAA is the only space in zero zero that you can go freely and without fear of distruction from the Landlords. Indeed quite an accomplishment.
One could even say CVA has done more for the Tribe than UK, by offerring this space for anyone to freely enter and operate in as long as they abide the laws.
Unless UK have some space somehwere... I read UK claim to be NRDS, but I dont see anywhere they go without committing acts of Piracy and Terrorism tbh.
Do you include Derelick in the argument that CVA have done more for "The Tribes " , as CVA police there laws in this area also . Also I notice your small corp is Amarr based , what was your price for such devotion ?. As for our claims on NRDS policy , your homework is lacking , for someone who doesnt travel providence or Catch you seem very bitter .
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:39:00 -
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How can you make a 'mistake' when suicide ganking someone in high security space, and canflipping them with the intent to kill them?
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia How can you make a 'mistake' when suicide ganking someone in high security space, and canflipping them with the intent to kill them?
As far as I know CVA sets their standings to corporations primarily and not individuals. If one member of a corporation acts against the rules and there is KOS-request, then the entire corporation is red-listed unless it makes restitutions. As such, mistakes can happen on both an individual and corporate level. Mis-recruitment or a failure to properly inform members of the current ROE, such mistakes happen every day in every region of New Eden
I know that, and you probably know that as well. So don't play stupid in an attempt to garner points with the crowd. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
Aquinzus
Amarr Modern Marvels
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Conlin
Originally by: Aquinzus
Originally by: Kazzzi Indeed Hardin, with 10000 pilots associated with your thirst for Imperial domination, a little bit of corruption is unavoidable. Probably a good call then to keep all diplomacy behind closed doors.
After reading Hardins response, it sounds logical, and worthy of belief.
And I dont see a problem of keeping diplomacy out of the public eye, because quite frankly it is thier business, and no one elses on what goes on and how they conduct it.
Seems to be just more Anti CVA rabble rabble, it would appear thier success only brings hatred from those who cant do any better than what CVA have accopmplished.
It seems the entire region of Providence and some parts of Catch bar AAA is the only space in zero zero that you can go freely and without fear of distruction from the Landlords. Indeed quite an accomplishment.
One could even say CVA has done more for the Tribe than UK, by offerring this space for anyone to freely enter and operate in as long as they abide the laws.
Unless UK have some space somehwere... I read UK claim to be NRDS, but I dont see anywhere they go without committing acts of Piracy and Terrorism tbh.
Do you include Derelick in the argument that CVA have done more for "The Tribes " , as CVA police there laws in this area also . Also I notice your small corp is Amarr based , what was your price for such devotion ?. As for our claims on NRDS policy , your homework is lacking , for someone who doesnt travel providence or Catch you seem very bitter .
Amarr is a beautiful region, so is Lonetrek, and Hemitar. We chose to do business out of all 3 regions for the ores they posess, and culture they include. Our Corporation has members of the Tribe, Federation, State and Empire within its ranks.
We dont discriminate. All are welcome to join in on our fun we have and how we choose to have it. If that is such a dire price to pay we willingly pay it.
I dont see how one can be bitter, I only see what is written, and make my own decision. Just seems there is allot of hatred toward CVA for little to no reason. For someone who I certainly dont know, your the ones that seem more bitter than anyone here save the guy who lost his pos.
As for Derelik, it seem they just began a few months ago to do anything there, since Providence and Domain seemed to have taken years, you cant expect Derelik to be any different. Progress is a long and tedious adventure to say the least.
But to be brutally honest to you UK Tribesmen, I really dont think your doing that great keeping Providence from becoming a better place to be. From my views it would seem you alienate more of the residents by attacking them than you do if you would subvert them, or teach them, seems you guys are just ou to gank people like common Pirates tbh and then call it "freedom fighting".
I have nothing against Pirates, it is thier nature to Pirate, why not just say UK are Pirates and be done with it already?,I mean it would seem people would respect you more than claiming "your coming for your people". Quite frankly your killing the people, not liberating them.
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Aquinzus
Amarr Modern Marvels
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia How can you make a 'mistake' when suicide ganking someone in high security space, and canflipping them with the intent to kill them?
Sutonia I truly dont know, seems they did gank the guys, but it also is plausable that is was worked out ammicably.
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Conlin
Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.06 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Aquinzus
Originally by: Suitonia How can you make a 'mistake' when suicide ganking someone in high security space, and canflipping them with the intent to kill them?
Sutonia I truly dont know, seems they did gank the guys, but it also is plausable that is was worked out ammicably.
If I know Dark Taboo , till the next time !!. And for someone who doesn't visit provi/catch , how can you pretend to be such an expert ?. If you at least knew anything , you'd understand we publicy inform people of our stance in this area , and they are forewarned by the Provi Block of our presence in the area. Hence the reason we find nuetrals attacking us , which is not a complaint on my part . So innocents they are not . And the Derelck campaign has been going on a lot longer , than just a few months Aquinzus .
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Adeptus mecanicus
Caldari The Flaming Sideburn's CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2009.05.06 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Adeptus mecanicus on 06/05/2009 14:24:25 Edited by: Adeptus mecanicus on 06/05/2009 14:23:08 Derelik passification is a hollow statement due to the power vacume in the area at present, that void will soon be refilled by the next "pirate" organisation that WILL enter the area to prey.
Where was CVA when Blood of innocents/enigma/Shroud of darkness and many others was roaming the area?, my bet was that they at the time liberated berta and maybe even as faar as gamis.
They might have killed off some towers to neutrals that wasnt "loyalists" tho we all can read between the lines and the main reason to "passify" is liberating moons so their peons can profit.
Derelik can never be passified and those that belive the lies will learn in blood and tears the distance between a statement and reality.
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Aquinzus
Amarr Modern Marvels
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Posted - 2009.05.06 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Conlin
Originally by: Aquinzus
Originally by: Suitonia How can you make a 'mistake' when suicide ganking someone in high security space, and canflipping them with the intent to kill them?
Sutonia I truly dont know, seems they did gank the guys, but it also is plausable that is was worked out ammicably.
If I know Dark Taboo , till the next time !!. And for someone who doesn't visit provi/catch , how can you pretend to be such an expert ?. If you at least knew anything , you'd understand we publicy inform people of our stance in this area , and they are forewarned by the Provi Block of our presence in the area. Hence the reason we find nuetrals attacking us , which is not a complaint on my part . So innocents they are not . And the Derelck campaign has been going on a lot longer , than just a few months Aquinzus .
Neutral people minding thier own business, who come under your attacks, are not innocents? mkay
I never claimed to be an expert on the region, that is your attempt to place words in my mouth and spin the doctor on the issue.
However there is plenty of history on the area from various resources. I find allot about other regions of interest as well, an example would be Goonswarm and how they were able to basically steal a region with minimal resistance, token at best. Does that make me an expert on Delve? No. It is just a way for your attempt of slander once again.
Operation Deliverance in Derelik started in December, so yes your wrong. It has only been a few months. I refer you to a Galnet communique from CVA http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=947079
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Kazzzi
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Posted - 2009.05.06 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kazzzi on 06/05/2009 15:14:24
Originally by: Aquinzus
I read UK claim to be NRDS, but I dont see anywhere they go without committing acts of Piracy and Terrorism tbh.
U'K has a very specific and well publicized ROE which they follow.
Pirates kill for greed, for loot and ransoms. U'K doesn't care about the isk and they do not offer ransoms. From your point of view I can see where you get the terrorist idea though.
It is simply bad form to go about calling everyone a pirate who doesn't exclusively fit mining lasers. |
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.06 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Adeptus mecanicus
Derelik can never be passified and those that belive the lies will learn in blood and tears the distance between a statement and reality.
Never say never.
These were exactly the sort of words that were thrown at us when started Operation Deliverance originally... We were told we would never clear the Misaba area of pirates, that Providence could never be pacified etc etc etc.
Yet, over time, these things have come to pass. While it is almost impossible to completely stop piratical activities in low-sec it is possible to minimise it by making life difficult for the pirates. The areas which we police on behalf of the Empire are generally safer for business and over time we (and other law-abiding residents) hope to have similar success in Derelik.
Derelik is a challenge, no doubt about that, but we Amarrians are patient and plan long term.
Do not underestimate our determination.
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666Devious
Sinister Elite Raining Doom
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Posted - 2009.05.07 05:05:00 -
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Aquinzus: First off, you called me a liar and now say things are probable that I have said about dark taboo (I talked about more then just dark taboo). Secondly, the kills my alliance made against CVA and pets was after we had ship losses. Thats the bottom line. I wont go over all of this again about Logs, screen shots, and kill mails of how CVA lied about why we were KOS to garnish support from alliance/corps/members that still maintained blues with 626 alliance at that time. Finally, you have offered nothing to this thread except opinion. Members here from both sides have provided facts, you fail to provide anything more then a headache, as if your opinion counts.
Hardin: If CVA doesn't handle diplomacy in public, then guess what dont talk about diplomacy in public. You get it? That simple. No one here needs to hear about CVA not talking about relations, I hope you quit spaming it. The OP was only to make his situation apparent to others that have shred in similar scenarios. The information I provided was only to show the OP that what they did to him was wrong no matter how you attempt to manipulate it. For two reasons. A) there are others doing what I consider more evident acts of piracy under CVA law. B) That CVA didn't give the OP the ability to respond, or the fact they couldn't tell him that he was KOS.
Tell me I am wrong, Tell me its ok for CVA and pets to attack and turn others KOS with out them knowing. Should every alliance/corp/member check the KOS checker every day? Did a corp bring in one new member into their ranks that sabotaged their organization? Their are limtless possiblities, and yet you failed to even it address it with Amok Raktar.
Like I said before where is the honor in that?
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:28:00 -
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I do hope that Aquinzus puts a little bit more time into researching CVA's Politics and history than he has into his 'research' of Ushra'Khan. I find it hilarious that an experienced pod pilot feels the need to have another such as Aquinzus puppet for them and can't speak publicly themselves..... perhaps you fear the ridicule your character would recieve for such posts... I mean, can you imagine if Hardin or a leader within Sylph was posting like this? The whole community on Gal net would be at tears of laughter by now.
Please feel free to post more when you've had time to gain some direct experience of the situation to hand.... or when you're willing to show your true face :)
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel As far as I know CVA sets their standings to corporations primarily and not individuals. If one member of a corporation acts against the rules and there is KOS-request, then the entire corporation is red-listed unless it makes restitutions. As such, mistakes can happen on both an individual and corporate level. Mis-recruitment or a failure to properly inform members of the current ROE, such mistakes happen every day in every region of New Eden
I know that, and you probably know that as well. So don't play stupid in an attempt to garner points with the crowd.
Yes I do believe this is how they work..
To CVA & pets..
I must say that I'm still willing to accept restitutions from CVA pets 'severance' for killing my lovely little golden punisher, while I was out on a friendly stroll through Providence. I had a few researched BPO's on board and only wanted to make use of your open copy slots.
This loss caused me much agony and grief, thous so, I have started taking back my own restitution's with my alter ego alt. I figure I have about 5 or 6 more battleships worth of kills left to help sooth my losses.
This is of course, is only to make up for my monitory loss. On the other hand losing those BPO's was a traumatic experience and it will likely cause me to kill many more than just 5 or 6 battle ships in CVA space. I must say the demons inside cause me to do these evil deeds and I really do need help.
CVA and pets, I'm willing to seek counseling for the mere price of 800mil isk in a one time payment. With out a payment such as this, I will not be able to afford the needed counseling. With out this, I'm just not so sure I will be able to contain my agony and will very likely cause me to seek out much more restitutions with my lasers.
Please CVA and pets you can help stop me from my own evil ways.. just send me the isk.
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Cpt Constantinus
Celestial Janissaries
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:30:00 -
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I have an even better idea. Send me just 500 million isk and i will cure you from your evil ways trough the power of prayer!
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FOl2TY8
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.05.09 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Constantinus I have an even better idea. Send me just 500 million isk and i will cure you from your evil ways trough the power of prayer!
So that's how much redemption is going for these days. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
Kazzzi
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Posted - 2009.05.09 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Constantinus I have an even better idea. Send me just 500 million isk and i will cure you from your evil ways trough the power of prayer!
*Kazzzi checks his wallet, ponders for a moment*
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Selassie M
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Posted - 2009.05.11 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Selassie M on 11/05/2009 14:12:56
Originally by: Suitonia Dark Taboo gnagnagna
Really that's not acceptable, please chase them, as it appears that you know better than CVA what is good for them.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.05.11 14:59:00 -
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I don't know whats best for them, just pointing out inconsitancies with CVA's Policy.
On one hand, you have the original poster who is having his industrial POS destroyed because he has personal ties with Brotherhood of Starbridge, a KOS alliance. On the other, you have Dark Taboo, an alliance that openly admits in its alliance discription that it has NAPs with other red alliances, several corporations in it admit to being based on piracy in their discriptions, they don't participate in Providence defence fleets at all, and have several friendly fire incidents, as well as destroying several neutrals in the realm of Operation Deliverence + in Amarrian highsec.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.11 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia I don't know whats best for them, just pointing out inconsitancies with CVA's Policy.
On one hand, you have the original poster who is having his industrial POS destroyed because he has personal ties with Brotherhood of Starbridge, a KOS alliance.
I thought this had been explained by now. An industrial POS is an industrial POS only until it's used as a staging point by hostile military forces. Then it's a badly designed military installation. The two towers that were destroyed were used as staging points by Starbridge pilots in a system where there was an ongoing conflict between CVA/AFC/others and Starbridge. This included at least one starbridge pilot inside the POS shields.
Give me ONE example of an alliance or nation in New Eden who while sieging a system would allow allow two POSes used by enemy pilots to stand unmolested? I know several alliances that would shoot down blue POSes for such an offense. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
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Halarach
Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.11 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia I don't know whats best for them, just pointing out inconsitancies with CVA's Policy.
Mind your own unconstructive business.
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