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Polaris Rome
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.24 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Polaris Rome on 24/04/2009 14:49:39 Recently i have decided to go into trading to make myself some isk. Although this has been a challenge so recently i have changed my ideals by looking towards MD part of the forums.
I have decided that i will buy a blueprint original off of the market. This will be done with 180 mill of my isk PLUS any isk sent to me by investors. You will be required to sent a minimum of 60 million ISK. Once we reach our total of 1.1 billion ISK i will buy the Apoc Blueprint.
You may ask why should i buy into this. Whats in it for me?
Well i will be researching it fully and then copying it for all of the invstors. As i have put 180 mill in already i will keep the original. Although if you put more in you may hove the original after copying it. Also for 120 million isk your copy will be sent before the people who send me 60 million isk.
I will be starting a corp so that anyone who does invest may join it and once you have paid i will accept you. This is so that you may ask questions whenever you need to. I will be on at most times and i will be making a public channel for anyone to join who may ask me questions about this discussion.
If you wish you may anonymus please tell me and i will put an xxxxx in the list in the place of your name.
1. 2. 3. 4. 5.
i will add more if needed.
Edit: The public channel is called ApocBPO
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HawkBlade
Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.04.24 14:52:00 -
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Investor pay off is not well defined. Also, have you thought about seeing if someone already has such a BPO and would not mind just selling you some copies?
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.24 14:55:00 -
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A little bizarre, this offering, but I think I can see what you are trying to do.
May I suggest that instead of forming your own corp for this venture and doing the research and copying via that route, you instead join an alt to one of my research corps where the BPO can be locked down for security and you can both research and copy the BPO using my POS facilities? Depending on how you were planning to do the research yourself this could have significant benefits (my POS research slots are fast) and from the point of view of an investor this would add security since my reputation could secure this and give greater confidence. Also, if your research skills are less than maximum I could also offer one of my max-skilled character's slots for this purpose.
Give it some thought and let me know if you want to take me up on this offer.
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Zero Uptick
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Posted - 2009.04.24 14:58:00 -
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Why not just call a scam a scam?
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Polaris Rome
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.24 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Polaris Rome on 24/04/2009 14:58:55 basically the investors pay me 60 mill and once we hit the target isk I buy the BPO and research it fully and then copy it. Once i have done this if they paid me 60 mill i will get it to them after i get the copies to the people who payed 120 mill and so on.
Also as im putting in 180 mill i will be keeping the BPO to maybe sell some ships and so on. BUT if someone wishs to pay more than 180 mill after i have done the research and copies (inc a copy for myself) they will then get the BPO.
Also if anyone knows of a way of using IRC it would be helpful as i know people have that for ease of use.
Edit: Bad Bobby i wuld love to be able to that as any way of getting added security would be awesome.
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Viktor Raybach
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:01:00 -
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Stylistic issues lead me to believe that this is yet another scam from the same person/people doing the earlier two scams today. I see no reason why, for example. Bad Bobby (assuming he was willing) couldn't be the one to purchase the BPO and lock it down for Polaris/The Investors rather than the money going straight to Polaris.
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Polaris Rome
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:04:00 -
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who are the other scammers then mate as i have no iea and if you really want to i can give you my limited API to check or sumat if you really want to.
But please refrain from saying this is a scam without PROOF as it isnt and im trying to do an honest days work.
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Zero Uptick
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:09:00 -
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Aerogogos is that you? You sure scam like him.
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Prisoner 42
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Raybach Bad Bobby (assuming he was willing) couldn't be the one to purchase the BPO and lock it down for Polaris/The Investors rather than the money going straight to Polaris.
I think this would increase interest and make the investment more secure.
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Polaris Rome
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:10:00 -
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who?
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Viktor Raybach
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Polaris Rome who are the other scammers then mate as i have no iea and if you really want to i can give you my limited API to check or sumat if you really want to.
But please refrain from saying this is a scam without PROOF as it isnt and im trying to do an honest days work.
A scam isn't proven to be a scam until the money isn't returned. For anyone who does know something about linguistic patterns and styles, there are notable similarities between the initial post, and the other posts of the two scams today.
As for the limited API, that would merely prove you weren't on the same account as another name, not that you're not the same person.
I notice, however, that you've not answered the basic security point of allowing someone more reputable to purchase and lock down the BPO.
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Polaris Rome
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:14:00 -
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sorry didnt read your post properly.
In response i would do that but then it defeats the whole object of this.
Oh and believe it or not i am grateful for all these questions as they are helping to prove my case and so forth.
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Prisoner 42
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Prisoner 42
Originally by: Viktor Raybach Bad Bobby (assuming he was willing) couldn't be the one to purchase the BPO and lock it down for Polaris/The Investors rather than the money going straight to Polaris.
I think this would increase interest and make the investment more secure.
Im sry I thought it said could instead of could not. I think if Bad Bobby could do the above it would be a better offer.
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HawkBlade
Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Polaris Rome Oh and believe it or not i am grateful for all these questions as they are helping to prove my case and so forth.
Actually no, it is not. But please, do the marketing campaign of "claiming victory" to achieve victory. It is fun to watch such vain efforts.
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Viktor Raybach
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Polaris Rome
In response i would do that but then it defeats the whole object of this.
If the whole object is to make money then I fail to see how using the method I outlined defeats that.
If the object is to establish reliability/trust then this would still be a good first step.
if the object is to get 1 billion isk in your wallet, then you're right, this would defeat it...
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Polaris Rome Bad Bobby i wuld love to be able to that as any way of getting added security would be awesome.
Originally by: Viktor Raybach Bad Bobby (assuming he was willing) couldn't be the one to purchase the BPO and lock it down for Polaris/The Investors rather than the money going straight to Polaris.
Whichever way Polaris and his investors want to do it really.
I'm quite happy to purchase the BPO, lock it down in one of my corps, research it up to a level specified and then copy it until the venture is concluded. Since it's only one BPO I'm not fussed as to wether my alts do the research and copying (with max skills) or Polaris puts an alt into one of my corps to do it himself.
Obviously I'm not making this offer for the good of my health so we would have to work out a fee of some kind, be it free copies for me or payment in isk for the use of my research slot (15k per hour is my standard rate).
Let me know your thoughts and don't be afraid to make alternative suggestions on how this should be arranged.
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PublicRelations Kwint
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:24:00 -
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1) I believe you'll get a better deal buying the BPO from players rather than NPC's, check the forum for already researched ones 2) There's no reason not to lock that BPO down with someone like Bad Bobby, it provides security and it will research/copy faster in a POS than in an NPC station 3) What are you actually doing with the BPO? Selling copies? Making ships? Just researching it up to sell back to players? 4) If you're actually using, where are you getting the rest of the capital to purchase the minerals to keep it in constant production? 5) What will your investors receive? A fraction of the profits? A fixed rate regardless of profits? When and how often will you pay them? 6) How long do you expect this investment to operate? 7) Will you actually issue resalable shares or just a certificate of deposit? 8) Are you willing to buy out dissatisfied investors and at what rate would this happen?
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Polaris Rome
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:24:00 -
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i am making isk as i will be keeping the BPO unles some puts in more han 180 mill.
If you dont wish to invest you dont have to if you read the stickies at the top of the forum you will realise there is an element of trust involved
And for the final time this is NOT A SCAM.
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Polaris Rome
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: PublicRelations Kwint 1) I believe you'll get a better deal buying the BPO from players rather than NPC's, check the forum for already researched ones 2) There's no reason not to lock that BPO down with someone like Bad Bobby, it provides security and it will research/copy faster in a POS than in an NPC station 3) What are you actually doing with the BPO? Selling copies? Making ships? Just researching it up to sell back to players? 4) If you're actually using, where are you getting the rest of the capital to purchase the minerals to keep it in constant production? 5) What will your investors receive? A fraction of the profits? A fixed rate regardless of profits? When and how often will you pay them? 6) How long do you expect this investment to operate? 7) Will you actually issue resalable shares or just a certificate of deposit? 8) Are you willing to buy out dissatisfied investors and at what rate would this happen?
1)yeh either way i find it easier as my friedns corp has a POS. 2)I will be locking it down with my friends from our real life clan. 3)Basically selling copies and building a shp for myself once this is all done. 4)the minerals will come from my mates (they are a mining corp) 5)it is the BPC fully researched they will get 6)this will operate until we hit our target ISK 7)Certificate of deposit on this forum for everyone to see. Plus if people wish they can have my hotmail to chat more to me. That will be done over EVE so it is private. 8)yeh i would and it would be at 150% of what they paid in. EG pay 60 mill they will get thier 60 mill back plus anothwer 30 mill as compensation.
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Zero Uptick
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:30:00 -
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md: the forum where a silver-tongue can net you billions in short order.
And then there's this guy.
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HawkBlade
Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zero Uptick md: the forum where a silver-tongue can net you billions in short order. And then there's this guy.
Thank you for saying this for me. To date the details are: 1 - Gimme your damn money 2 - I make money 3 - Gimme your damn money
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:37:00 -
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Viktor Raybach
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Polaris Rome
1)yeh either way i find it easier as my friedns corp has a POS. 2)I will be locking it down with my friends from our real life clan. 3)Basically selling copies and building a shp for myself once this is all done. 4)the minerals will come from my mates (they are a mining corp)
If your friend's corp have a POS and are a mining corp, why aren't they funding this?
No security, no history, aggressive reaction to questions, stylistic similarity to other scammers. yeah, this one looks like a doozy of an investment for anyone who wants to lose their money.
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Polaris Rome
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:40:00 -
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because they dont want to and im pulling all favours possible to borrow it off them. And i am sorry if i seem overly aggresive its just my nature im afraid.
On another note could you point me in the direction of these other scammers so that i may compare my text style to thiers as this is something i would love to see.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Polaris Rome
Originally by: PublicRelations Kwint 1) I believe you'll get a better deal buying the BPO from players rather than NPC's, check the forum for already researched ones 2) There's no reason not to lock that BPO down with someone like Bad Bobby, it provides security and it will research/copy faster in a POS than in an NPC station 3) What are you actually doing with the BPO? Selling copies? Making ships? Just researching it up to sell back to players? 4) If you're actually using, where are you getting the rest of the capital to purchase the minerals to keep it in constant production? 5) What will your investors receive? A fraction of the profits? A fixed rate regardless of profits? When and how often will you pay them? 6) How long do you expect this investment to operate? 7) Will you actually issue resalable shares or just a certificate of deposit? 8) Are you willing to buy out dissatisfied investors and at what rate would this happen?
1)yeh either way i find it easier as my friedns corp has a POS. 2)I will be locking it down with my friends from our real life clan. 3)Basically selling copies and building a shp for myself once this is all done. 4)the minerals will come from my mates (they are a mining corp) 5)it is the BPC fully researched they will get 6)this will operate until we hit our target ISK 7)Certificate of deposit on this forum for everyone to see. Plus if people wish they can have my hotmail to chat more to me. That will be done over EVE so it is private. 8)yeh i would and it would be at 150% of what they paid in. EG pay 60 mill they will get thier 60 mill back plus anothwer 30 mill as compensation.
That doesn't look like a proposal that many people are going to swallow. The terms are vague, the security is non-existant and the 'compensation' for disatisfied customers after they have handed over their isk is 'too good to be true' to the point of being an obvious convincer.
It may seem harsh but it's a scam until proven otherwise.
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Polaris Rome
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:47:00 -
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to be honest i do understand where you are coming from and i doubt there is any other way of convincing people so i will leave this up for a while but if no one is intrested ill ask CCP to take it down or sumat.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Polaris Rome to be honest i do understand where you are coming from and i doubt there is any other way of convincing people so i will leave this up for a while but if no one is intrested ill ask CCP to take it down or sumat.
All you have to do is nail down the terms so that investors know what they would be getting and agree to me making the purchase, doing the lock down ETC so that my good reputation overrides your somewhat tarnished one.
Essentially you would end up with a "BPO club" where all the investors share in it's ownership. You could even liquidate the BPO for a higher price at the end of the investment for further returns once it has been researched to a higher level.
But if what you are really after is a quick win of a billion isk, then I understand that you're not going to have much luck here... best to quit now.
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Kalrand
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Posted - 2009.04.24 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS The BIG deal Still runs
Curious, how active is this program? And for that matter how/where are BPCs delivered?
I know this probably isn't the right forum to ask, but your here, and it would possibly provide the OP a few reasons why his proposal, even if legit, is a ridiculous waste of money for any possible investors.
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Compound Arbitrage
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Posted - 2009.04.24 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Compound Arbitrage on 24/04/2009 16:29:58 Hopefully I'm not too late for this one, 1b sent! Please send me all the copies and the BPO when you're done.
Edit: please put me down as an anonymous investor
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.04.24 16:57:00 -
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Excellent read, just what I needed coming home from work
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