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Idontlikehiphop RocknRoll
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:26:00 -
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Your mining during a well publicized event? Isn't that like walking out on a Syrian street when the tanks are driving around shooting? I am thankful they told us when it was happening. DONT MINE UNLESS YOU WANT TO LOSE ISK IN SHIPS
Aqriue wrote:To prove a point, you will never ******* see a ganker use a battleship anymore since there would be an amazing sense of loss without insurance. See, everytime someone even ******* mentions it they bitchwhine how the ganker gets to be the Godthumb and deliver a bitchslap of justice at minimal risk to themselves. See, that is called...get this you will ******* laugh out loud...risk adversion. You will never see a faction battleship take out a hulk with CONCORD retalliation, because like the guy they are shooting in the hulk but the ganker won't admit it...THEY ARE BOTH ******* HUMAN! Both the idiot in the hulk and the ganker in the destroyer, are spending time in highsec where hulk is getting minimal isk per hour (cause no where makes more and is total safe) while the ganker is spending mimimal risk of losing something. But they both pay the exact same amount to CCP, therefore....both should be ******* losers. Buff the hulk to survive DPS of tier 3 battleships and hulks have zero insurance payout...both parties are loosing several hundred million...which is equally fair. Or the hulk could get a make over, but we all know what the loud whiney Thai wh*re noise level parties do not want to happen. ( CCP should of just killed the mining profession all together.)
Everytime some idiot says that highsec is to safe, please show us exactly where the **** at all safe option is. What exactly prevents you from firing on a hulk, this option that makes them totally safe. What is it? Is it that....no wait this is not WoW where there is PVP only areas. See, when you fire on a hulk....without a wardec...in highsec....YOU FACE ******* REPERCUSIONS OF YOUR ACTIONS...BUT WHINEY LITTLE NEED THEIR ASS WIPED BY MOMMY RISK ADVERSE PILOTS DON'T LIKE LOSING TO CONCORD....No different then every other guy who you ******* blew away in lowsec and null....NO ******* HUMAN LIKES LOSING....but highsec is the only option that makes the least amount of isk (Where you you make more, with less risk then highsec? You can't nerf the bare minimum). Therefore, when one guy makes less isk YOU the other guy should face far more repercusions for your actions to blow them away. When they move elsewere for more isk with more risk...then its balanced.
Nothing prevents you from actually blowing the hulk away, but you don't like that POW! WHAM! KA-BOOM! sensation like when your father backhanded you for doing stupid as a kid...but as an adult you feel the need to do what ever you want with minimal repercussions. Sorry, but if you avoid risk just as much as the hulk pilot spending time in highsec...guess what you are no better if you pull the ******* trigger or not you are avoiding repercussions to your actions. That is something CCP needs to figure out, because they ****** up 9 years ago when they relized "OH, we didn't know that when you let someone do what ever you want...who is it that is actually right when both parties are our customers." Who faces the most risk? How do you make the most isk and what is acceptable minimum isk? How do you balance it...since its so grindly to replace something like a hulk that just ******* explodes because it only has two ******* fitting options that are barely adequate while nearly all other T2 ships have at least three: Max gank, Max Tank, Balanced Gank/Tank that doesn't ******* pop so easily unless OVERHWHELMING alpha hits it. The bare mimimum CCP needs to do is make it just as ******* grindy to replace sec status as it is to replace a hulk plus locking out even a ******* pod from highsec unless a bare minimum of -2.0 is reach and forget their ******* stupid idea to allow criminal tags to raise sec status. Sorry, but if you have to ******* grind to replace a hulk then the other guy has to ******* grind sec status...with one tick every 15 minutes and not every session change...then both parties are spending equal time grinding.
Oh, and for every ******* idiot that spouts "Fit a tank" to a hulk let me ask you...why didn't your subcap shitfleet adapt and not fly a subcap shitfleet anymore when your ass got splattered by titan guns? Bitchwhine got CCP to step in and fix this obvious "problem" when like a hulk pilot "fits a tank" when perhaps the ******* problem between the chair and the keyboard should of not bitched but insteaded of adapted their tank from a subcap fleet to a capital ship fleet of their own. Logic my friends, you are welcome for me pointing out that the last round of Titan nerfs where unecessary because you could not adapt just as much as you tell a hulk pilot to adapt a tank. To bad you never want to take a loss and certainly don't want CCP to fix such a stupid ship such as the hulk. You know what, knock every destroy down to 5 guns there by allowing it to have more then a frig and now it can get a hitpoint boost...then we can call it balanced without touching the hulk.
******* hypocrites, always beliving you get to apply max risk and punishment while avoiding it yourself. Wish CCP would HTFU like their little theme song and just cause SP loss to occur everytime your ship was destroyed for any reason (not T3 anymore.) Oh yes, even you will feel a soul tearing, nut crushing sense of loss in this version of EVE. ****, even permanent character death at ship explosion would balance out
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Brother chookta
One Horse Trading
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:47:00 -
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I always thought HI-Sec needed a new career path like Police Officer - but really couldn't see it taking off somehow. This on the other hand sounds fun, Sheriff Chookta, has a ring to it don't you think? |
Alxea
Trauma Ward Winmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:54:00 -
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Singulis Pacifica wrote:TLDR: at bottom.
With all the Hulkageddon kills going around, you will end up with compaints regarding unfair ganking and whatnot. And truth be told, ganking is never "fair". It's a dirty fight where the outcome is more or less pre-determined. Both the ganker and victim will lose their ship. The victim as a result of the ganker, and the ganker gets his/her ship turned into a floating scrapheap by Concord.
If a hauler is the victim, then he/she will lose ISK: the value of the of ship (full insurance only partially covers it) and the value of the cargo, where as the ganker can still generate a profit from said encounter: value of the cargo gained exceeds the loss incurred by the destroyed ship.
Now, this is all standard and we all have learned to live with it. But the biggest complaint of the victims is that high-sec, the area that is introduced as the safest space in the game, is not really that safe at all. Not for them at least.
These players are "at the mercy" of the gankers. Because it's that simple. A player, be it a miner, a hauler or anyone else always has to watch out for gankers operating in high-sec. The gankers themselves have to watch out for... nothing. Well, juicy rich targets that can be plucked. That's what they need to look out for. But even if they do have a bounty on their heads, most players will simply ignore the "yellows" hoping that they will not be targeted.
No one is interested in hunting down these players with a sec. status between -2.0 and 0, because if they would attack them, then Concord will see it as an unwarranted assault and attack the player that opened fire on the "yellow". So the "yellows" are the ones living in safety in high-sec, If they lose their rating due to a succesful kill, they just go ratting for a week and continue back to the role of the ganker.
And that's not a problem. It's how a sandbox should be. A ganker is a valid way to play the game. But... It lacks balance. As said before, there is no one stopping a ganker. He or she is playing pre-determined encounters. And that is what could change.
But not by CCP. Well, not directly.
What if players that have a sec. standing of 3.5 or higher acquire a "sherrif's badge". This allows them to attack players with a a negative security rating in high-sec systems without Concord seeing it as an unwarranted attack. This will lead to one thing: sherrifs vs. gankers. Whereby both sides are players with minimal interference from the game itself (Concord).
That is what a sandbox is all about. Make sure gankers can exist, but also make sure that they can be hunted by some players. Perhaps "sherrif players" that receive this ability are henceforth limited to only high-sec systems to make sure gankers can still operate in low-sec if they wish. Or perhaps "sherrif players" can only receive this badge if they are not part of a red vs. blue or factional warfare. So that only the "true neutrals" can acquire this rank and thus become the hunters of the ones that can now hunt freely in high-sec systems.
TLDR: Players that achieve a sec. status of 3.5 or higher can, under certain circumstances, become "sherrifs", which allows them to attack players with a negative security rating in High-Sec systems (without Concord interference) to balance the odds of ganker vs. victim. U mad bro?... yep he mad!
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Singulis Pacifica
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:23:00 -
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Alxea wrote: U mad bro?... yep he mad!
If you really read my post then you could have seen that this was never a "lol, u mad bro" rant about my mining ship being blown up or anything. I don't even have a Hulk. Or any mining barge for that matter. And if I did, I wouldn't be flying it during Hulkageddon. That's just asking for it to be turned into a pile of metal.
So no... I'm not mad. Unlike Aqriue that posted too. |
Worgz
Crazy Corporation STEEL BROTHERHOOD
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:24:00 -
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In the aftermath of the past 3 Geddons i am feeling more "intune" with the action of the Event. Personally I now love it, However it does Drag on a bit... Get around it, not over it... Converted Battleship mining fleet, Baited Battle Hulks, Fully Tanked Orca fits for the occasion, Gank the Gankers,
Nothing better than Cloaked corp members, scouts and falling out of the Capt. Seat laughing at Concorded destroyers while you dont even turn off the lasers !!!
+1 for the idea of a ganking handicap |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.09 14:14:00 -
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So much mad and stupid in this thread.
Pro-tip, mad-boy: You and your dead hulk alts can already fight gankers. There is nothing stopping you getting a tornado of your own and pre-emptively shooting a would-be ganker. Crying for concord to help you do it is dumb. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1199
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Posted - 2012.05.09 14:21:00 -
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XIRUSPHERE wrote:Newsflash : People that neither pay attention or expect AFK profit in null, high, and low security space all die horrible deaths. Now here's tom with the weather.
News flash, this is the only game where you succeed the best by being bullies, griever and rewarded because you act like a scum. This has nothing to do with pvp point blank |
liaxolox
Jol-Nar Industries Twilight Imperium
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Posted - 2012.05.09 16:06:00 -
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Some players are yellow. Some players are not. Not every yellow player is a ganker. Not every ganker is yellow. Gankers are indistinguishable from anyone else if they choose to be. All I would like to see is a way to more specifically enumerate the circumstances under which a player has destroyed ships. Perhaps players should have a tab under info that shows their criminal record (just things that caused a CONCORD response) and an option to display that information with some filters in the overview. Knowledge is all the power it would take to balance this fight out in my opinion. This will of course incetivize reprocessing alts but theoretically CCP watches for that at all. |
Medarr
ZeroSec
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Posted - 2012.05.09 16:14:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:My goodness there is so much mad in here~
I approve of this.
+1 for evil dutchies. |
Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.09 16:22:00 -
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This would make a miner with a sec status high enough to be a "sherrif" a target for the ganker from a self defense prospective as well as possible profit whether they act as "sherrifs" or not. For this to work, the "Sherrif" has to be no more than yellow/orange/tooti-fruitti or whatever to the gankers, not red and gankers red to them (full kill rights). Concorde should not respond to a conflict started by a "sherrif" against someone of the appropriate sec status and should get no sec status hit when attacking a target of the appropriate sec status. Insurance such as it is should be paid to the "Sherrif" if he loses his ship, normal pvp loss. If the "sherrif's gank fails then ganker gets profit. Conflicts started by a ganker in hi-sec should get the usual Concorde response. Otherwise "Sherrifs" would become in effect free hi-sec ganks for the gankers. In effect it just creates a class of players who have the initiative over the gankers as the gankers currently have the initiative over their prospective victims. I guess I could live with that. |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.09 16:22:00 -
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Singulis Pacifica wrote:Alxea wrote: U mad bro?... yep he mad!
If you really read my post then you could have seen that this was never a "lol, u mad bro" rant about my mining ship being blown up or anything. I don't even have a Hulk. Or any mining barge for that matter. And if I did, I wouldn't be flying it during Hulkageddon. That's just asking for it to be turned into a pile of metal. So no... I'm not mad. Unlike Aqriue that posted too.
Yeah theres a reason that I pus ppl too stupid to read and who just post inane Memes on the hide list.
Tanya Powers wrote:XIRUSPHERE wrote:Newsflash : People that neither pay attention or expect AFK profit in null, high, and low security space all die horrible deaths. Now here's tom with the weather. News flash, this is the only game where you succeed the best by being bullies, griever and rewarded because you act like a scum. This has nothing to do with pvp point blank
news flash: It actually does. Unless youre saying the Miner being ganked isnt counted as a player...
Well true, its more like PVE when youre killing a bot. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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