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Serpah'y Bodyguard
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:38:00 -
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I have one question guys!
I'm actually living in a C5 (it's ind a new) and my corp is going to escalad them properly soon,
But i 'm curious if any of you C5-C6 pros can tell me :
if i have a BS (abaddon) with 3 ECM(racial) or a Scorpion with a full rack of ECM will sleeper aggro him over a Dread in siege mod? or is the dread always primary? and what about triage carrier?
Thank's! |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:14:00 -
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A lot will depend on the position of the jamming ship in relation to the dread and sleepers. You may have trouble keeping a scorpion alive against a full escalation depending on how buffered it is, whether your using triage or not on the carrier and if you have armor links running or not. |
Serpah'y Bodyguard
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:23:00 -
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I know about the Scorpion's buffer,
So what you say is if the scorp is between the sleeper and the dread he will get the aggro? |
Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:27:00 -
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Usually, the sleepers will go for the bs before the dread. For some reason, they're all "Oh look an easier target" and happily shoot away at it. |
Serpah'y Bodyguard
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:49:00 -
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So Scorpion would take all aggro? |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:31:00 -
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who cares, if youre doing them 'properly' as you say, you don't use any BSs at all. |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:38:00 -
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While sleepers do usually evaluate targets based on how much dps they do and how squishy they are - for escalation waves they factor sig radius and a multiplier for ewar primarily and there seems to be a modifier for proximity to.
A scorpion sitting between a dread and the sleepless guardians would tend to get aggression more often than one sitting behind the dread away from the sleepers. |
Serpah'y Bodyguard
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:50:00 -
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Okey thank's for the intel!
Jack Milton: Yeah we are in a transition period....
=)
Soon the "properly" will raise! |
Mr Majestyk
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
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Posted - 2012.05.06 23:31:00 -
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It is entirely possible to spawn all 4 waves of an escalation with 2 carriers + 2+ dreads and have a scorpion survive the damage if it is properly fit. I like to use 3 dreads, 1 carrier, 2 webbers and a scorp and it makes escalations cake. Rarely are the T3/Rapiers/Huginns targeted and the Scorp keeps all the aggro.
It is just a nice feeling to know your capitals will almost never be targeted. |
Serpah'y Bodyguard
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:08:00 -
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So do you have a scorp fit that you use? or is it a huge troll?
What i heard is that even 2 wave kills very fast!
I would appreciate if you could describe you'r tactique pr+¬cisely please!
=)
thank's a lot mate! |
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SojournerRover
Insidious Design
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:14:00 -
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Really? A scorpion! ROVER (REDRUM)
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Juan Sezole
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:16:00 -
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SojournerRover wrote:Really? A scorpion!
Dont crush the mans hopes and dreams |
Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:07:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:who cares, if youre doing them 'properly' as you say, you don't use any BSs at all.
Nonsense. |
Killer Claw
Sky Fighters Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:10:00 -
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None truly knows how the aggro mechanics work with sleepers. I've noticed that they sometimes do go for the easier targets. If you bring something in that can't handle it / your reps cant keep him alive, its not a good idea.
Also, BSs are fine on the non-escalated waves, they're good low-risk DPS, they are unnecessary, but fine. |
Serpah'y Bodyguard
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:12:00 -
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Basically my scorp fit is armor tanked, lows and rigs and ecm in the mids, highs... i don't really care
I would just take all aggro all then time so the logi can logo for long periods....
^^'
i will try it my self cause it smells like trolling in the air... I don't want to risk any capitals of my corp for fun! |
Killer Claw
Sky Fighters Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:15:00 -
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There is no way that you can hold aggro, they will change almost randomly, you need to have cap transfers ready when they switch onto your logi as well. |
Serpah'y Bodyguard
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:29:00 -
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even with 8 ECM on them they won't primary me?
yeah don't worry about the logis!
My only desire is to find out how to keep aggro on 1 ship if that's possible, and i read many times that the scorpion's ECM is kinda the thing they hate, well i'm aware the scorp has a paper tank but if we manage the rep sleeper shouldn't blow it up... it can tank an alpha of an wave of 8 and is this tactic works he gets reps all the time... |
Juan Sezole
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:39:00 -
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Why use a scorpion when you can use a Widow, and Covert Jump Portal, and Hot Drop them with Bombers?!?!?!?!?!?!? |
Serpah'y Bodyguard
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:19:00 -
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Seriously? because we don't want hour MS and Titan to get any aggro....
XD |
SojournerRover
Insidious Design
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:35:00 -
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I put a sensitive mod on my Titan, So when I hit the fat button it sucks it's mushroom head in and easily slips through The C5
That way we can escalate the static! ROVER (REDRUM)
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Euthanasia Anneto
Special Situations TOHA Conglomerate
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:26:00 -
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Though, when I start to ECM a escalated sleeper I suddenly get all Aggro of 4 sleeper escalations. In other words, it distracts the sleepers picking other targets, though a few still randoms Carrier can keep on repping/charging you whilst other sit back and relax. And only 1 buffertanked T3/BS has to do the Jamming with a single multispectral Jammer. |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:01:00 -
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Qui Shon wrote:Jack Miton wrote:who cares, if youre doing them 'properly' as you say, you don't use any BSs at all. Nonsense.
^can't tell if trolling or just hasnt been playing for too long ;) |
Mr Majestyk
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:28:00 -
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Doing 3 escalations at a time with 9 people. You warp in a 2nd carrier once you kill the initial few ships since it serves no purpose. You can do a full escalation clear in about 10 minutes.
Triple Escalations |
Frau Leinsmarch
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:01:00 -
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Mr Majestyk wrote:Doing 3 escalations at a time with 9 people. You warp in a 2nd carrier once you kill the initial few ships since it serves no purpose. You can do a full escalation clear in about 10 minutes. Triple Escalations
Works very well unless someone warps the second carrier in without being told to and then someone pops X :S
Then its a question of who gets alphaed before the dreads can drop the DPS lol. |
Pink Marshmellow
Caucasian Culture Club Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.05.08 05:37:00 -
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I successful jam on a sleeper bs will cause a full room aggro most of the times, but they will eventually switch targets.
Buys you precious time if things go bad. |
Serpah'y Bodyguard
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.08 08:02:00 -
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Thank's for all your answers!
i've mad myself an idea of how those sleeper work, now is time to try it ingame!
Thank's again |
Serpah'y Bodyguard
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:26:00 -
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Jack Milton How do you run your escalation? |
Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:24:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Qui Shon wrote:Jack Miton wrote:who cares, if youre doing them 'properly' as you say, you don't use any BSs at all. Nonsense. ^can't tell if trolling or just hasnt been playing for too long ;)
Well it's true I haven't been playing in a while, and sure Moros tracks crazy good these days, but you quoted a sub 2bn/h figure in the other thread which although an unreliable point of comparison due to differing methods of calculation and reliability of timekeeping*, at least suggests I'm not totally over the hill yet .
*I mean my own |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:22:00 -
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Qui Shon wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Qui Shon wrote:Jack Miton wrote:who cares, if youre doing them 'properly' as you say, you don't use any BSs at all. Nonsense. ^can't tell if trolling or just hasnt been playing for too long ;) Well it's true I haven't been playing in a while, and sure Moros tracks crazy good these days, but you quoted a sub 2bn/h figure in the other thread which although an unreliable point of comparison due to differing methods of calculation and reliability of timekeeping*, at least suggests I'm not totally over the hill yet . *I mean my own
oh im sure youre not over the hill :). I don't have a 2nd carrier when i run sites myself so that figure is for 3 cap escalations.
basically you just warp in dread, archon, loki, kills 3-4 BSs and warp in second dread. dreads kills BSs, carrier kills cruisers with drones (sometimes there will be 1-2 left by the time dreads are done but they can hit cruisers fine), loki kills frigs while webbing and painting the BSs. all in all it work out to 2 siege cycles on the first dread so 10min per site + warp time + salvaging so 15min, give or take, all up. sites work out to 550mil odd each with 3 escalations.
i don't see any role any BS can really serve. the only time you need BSs is if you dont have the skills on the cap pilots to take the sleeper agro and need BSs to clear at east part of the first escalation wave.
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Serpah'y Bodyguard
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:28:00 -
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thing is we live in a cataclysmic variable so self-reppers are less effective
In such condition would you change your tactic? |
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