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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:01:00 -
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Ma Hensu wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Ma Hensu wrote:I don't see how pvp/griefers think they are killing noobs when actually they are just looking to gank the easiest ship with a decent value for their pleasure and killboard stats(and for hulkegg).
people flying hulks are at a huge disadvantage I do not characterizing them as noobs......they are simply easy targets. So perhaps if you look at it another way....the ganker is probably more a noob than the hulk pilot for having to take out easy targets to boost their ego's and kill stats.
There are probably some noobs in hulk as there are in every ship type....good luck knowing the difference. There are so many factors that may have awarded you your kill. If it is a hulk bear in mind that you went into it with much of the odds in your favor.
ganker tears?
Given that there are plenty of posters here who fly hulks during hulkageddon and successfully avoid getting ganked tells me that there are a whole lot of clueless people flying Hulks. The gankers don't kill hulks to pad their kb stats. Also, as has been explained on many posts, I'm not a ganker. I'm a nullsec miner. I even own my own Rorqual! true...many are not looking to pad kb stats and just do it for the love of ganking...if there are some hulks avoiding getting ganked...maybe the ganker is the noob? just a thought. and well you are expressing an interest in ganking...i thought...... regardless if you are a null sec miner.
Lets not turn attention away from the real question. Why is killing clueless people in Hulks considered bad? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
394
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:04:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:But do you claim to know everything about them, and then get mad at everyone else when you actually don't? No. For example when someone starts to tell something about faction warfare I will have my confused "what's that?" expression.
You're a newbie. Not a Noob.
Newbie is descriptive. Noob is an insult.
A Newbie asks questions, runs tutorials and so on. A Noob assume they'll just pick it up and switches all the messages off. Then complains when they die. Possibly in an expensive ship they bought with ISK from plex. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Tore Vest
297
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:06:00 -
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What about noob suiside gankers... that crashes their destroyer in to a hulk several times without beeing able to kill any ? We are not hearing mutch about those poore capsuleers No troll. |
Alara IonStorm
2089
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:07:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:What about noob suiside gankers... that crashes their destroyer in to a hulk several times without beeing able to kill any ? We are not hearing mutch about those poore capsuleers They aren't the complaining type.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:09:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:What about noob suiside gankers... that crashes their destroyer in to a hulk several times without beeing able to kill any ? We are not hearing mutch about those poore capsuleers
Judging by the spelling in your post, I have to guess that you aren't being serious.
But just in case. I don't see many failed gankers complaining around here. Do you? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Ma Hensu
FRee Coookiies
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:13:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Ma Hensu wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Ma Hensu wrote:I don't see how pvp/griefers think they are killing noobs when actually they are just looking to gank the easiest ship with a decent value for their pleasure and killboard stats(and for hulkegg).
people flying hulks are at a huge disadvantage I do not characterizing them as noobs......they are simply easy targets. So perhaps if you look at it another way....the ganker is probably more a noob than the hulk pilot for having to take out easy targets to boost their ego's and kill stats.
There are probably some noobs in hulk as there are in every ship type....good luck knowing the difference. There are so many factors that may have awarded you your kill. If it is a hulk bear in mind that you went into it with much of the odds in your favor.
ganker tears?
Given that there are plenty of posters here who fly hulks during hulkageddon and successfully avoid getting ganked tells me that there are a whole lot of clueless people flying Hulks. The gankers don't kill hulks to pad their kb stats. Also, as has been explained on many posts, I'm not a ganker. I'm a nullsec miner. I even own my own Rorqual! true...many are not looking to pad kb stats and just do it for the love of ganking...if there are some hulks avoiding getting ganked...maybe the ganker is the noob? just a thought. and well you are expressing an interest in ganking...i thought...... regardless if you are a null sec miner. Lets not turn attention away from the real question. Why is killing clueless people in Hulks considered bad?
It's not bad.......people have every right to do what they like to do......the original discussion was "where are all the noob miners?"
okay...my guess is that they are hiding behind rocks? dunno.
i didn't want to troll really so I will happily exit....apologies.
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Tore Vest
297
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:14:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Tore Vest wrote:What about noob suiside gankers... that crashes their destroyer in to a hulk several times without beeing able to kill any ? We are not hearing mutch about those poore capsuleers Judging by the spelling in your post, I have to guess that you aren't being serious. But just in case. I don't see many failed gankers complaining around here. Do you?
So.... they are noobs (miners) cause they are complaining.... got it No troll. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:15:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Tore Vest wrote:What about noob suiside gankers... that crashes their destroyer in to a hulk several times without beeing able to kill any ? We are not hearing mutch about those poore capsuleers Judging by the spelling in your post, I have to guess that you aren't being serious. But just in case. I don't see many failed gankers complaining around here. Do you? So.... they are noobs cause they are complaining.... got it
They certainly don't seem to take in any advice on how to not get ganked. Instead opting to come on here and whine about it. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
348
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:20:00 -
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Well........ if you're a Noob in a Hulk, you're just a dumbass, not much else to be said
Retriever = Training wheels The pie is a tautology |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:22:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Lets not turn attention away from the real question. Why is killing clueless people in Hulks considered bad?
It's like the thing all cool kids did to weak shy kids in school. |
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Tore Vest
297
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:22:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:
They certainly don't seem to take in any advice on how to not get ganked. Instead opting to come on here and whine about it.
So.. you.. gankers are advicing your victims on how to not get ganked.... so nice of you
The advice is.. stay loged off.... rigth ?
Or.. maby tank that hulk so you need 3 destroyers to gank him ? No troll. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:26:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
They certainly don't seem to take in any advice on how to not get ganked. Instead opting to come on here and whine about it.
So.. you.. gankers are advicing your victims on how to not get ganked.... so nice of you The advice is.. stay loged off.... rigth ? Or.. maby tank that hulk so you need 3 destroyers to gank him ?
Fit a tank, watch local, set standings on known corporations of gankers, watch D-Scan, don't be AFK. It's all been spelled out here on the forums and everywhere else. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:28:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Lets not turn attention away from the real question. Why is killing clueless people in Hulks considered bad? It's like the thing all cool kids did to weak shy kids in school. Steve Ronuken wrote:You're a newbie. Not a Noob.
Newbie is descriptive. Noob is an insult.
A Newbie asks questions, runs tutorials and so on. A Noob assume they'll just pick it up and switches all the messages off. Then complains when they die. Possibly in an expensive ship they bought with ISK from plex. Noob or more precisely n00b is just "newbie" translated to leet. There is no difference between these two words.
So you're saying that the gankers are being bullies? And the victims refuse to fight back, despite outnumbering the bullies by a large margin? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
348
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:29:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:[quote=Tore Vest][quote=Lapine Davion] Fit a tank, watch local, set standings on known corporations of gankers, watch D-Scan, don't be AFK. It's all been spelled out here on the forums and everywhere else.
Speaking from experience (Never lost a Hulk to enemy forces, and once to my own stupidity), the only thing you really need to do is stay aligned and keep your speed at 25% The pie is a tautology |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:30:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Tore Vest wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
They certainly don't seem to take in any advice on how to not get ganked. Instead opting to come on here and whine about it.
So.. you.. gankers are advicing your victims on how to not get ganked.... so nice of you The advice is.. stay loged off.... rigth ? Or.. maby tank that hulk so you need 3 destroyers to gank him ? Fit a tank, watch local, set standings on known corporations of gankers, watch D-Scan, don't be AFK. It's all been spelled out here on the forums and everywhere else.
These are the lessons I've learned while being a miner and getting myself killed. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:34:00 -
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I found 3000!
http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/ . |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:35:00 -
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These people should not have made themselves such easy targets. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:36:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:I found 3000!
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:38:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:So you're saying that the gankers are being bullies? And the victims refuse to fight back, despite outnumbering the bullies by a large margin?
How do you fight back in highsec? You can't destroys their destroyers before they start their gank attempt without being Concorded.
And ever tried to target destroyer with BC/BS? Gank is over before you get it locked. And using a cloak doesn't really help. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
391
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:40:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:So you're saying that the gankers are being bullies? And the victims refuse to fight back, despite outnumbering the bullies by a large margin? How do you fight back in highsec? You can't destroys their destroyers before they start their gank attempt without being Concorded. And ever tried to target destroyer with BC/BS? Gank is over before you get it locked. And using a cloak doesn't really help.
I've been saying all day that there are enough people tired off all this bullying that they could form a huge alliance and actually take the fight to the gankers. BUt you and I both know they have no interest in doing that. They only care about making more isk while being as afk as possible. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:45:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:I've been saying all day that there are enough people tired off all this bullying that they could form a huge alliance and actually take the fight to the gankers. BUt you and I both know they have no interest in doing that. They only care about making more isk while being as afk as possible.
I'm sure gankers know a lot about this game and how aggression mechanics in highsec work. Wardecing them would be stupid. They would only dock their griefer alts and play their nullsec mains. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
602
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:48:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I've been saying all day that there are enough people tired off all this bullying that they could form a huge alliance and actually take the fight to the gankers. BUt you and I both know they have no interest in doing that. They only care about making more isk while being as afk as possible. I'm sure gankers know a lot about this game and how aggression mechanics in highsec work. Wardecing them would be stupid. They would only dock their griefer alts and play their nullsec mains. Wouldn't the ganking alts be in NPC corps anyway? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:54:00 -
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Ma Hensu wrote:I don't see how pvp/griefers think they are killing noobs when actually they are just looking to gank the easiest ship with a decent value for their pleasure and killboard stats(and for hulkegg).
people flying hulks are at a huge disadvantage I do not characterizing them as noobs......they are simply easy targets. So perhaps if you look at it another way....the ganker is probably more a noob than the hulk pilot for having to take out easy targets to boost their ego's and kill stats.
There are probably some noobs in hulk as there are in every ship type....good luck knowing the difference. There are so many factors that may have awarded you your kill. If it is a hulk bear in mind that you went into it with much of the odds in your favor.
ganker tears?
The hulk pilot is at no less of a disadvantage than people in combat ships find themselves in sometimes. That drake ratting in that belt may well be bait and your 1 vs 1 suddenly turns into a 1 vs 10. You're doing a low sec mission with a PvE fit and rat agro when someone jumps you. The fight you thought would be even turns out not to be because the other guy has a T3 booster sitting at a POS somewhere. The guy that was supposed to be alone has a cyno and suddenly you're fighting 3 carriers. Those are just a few examples. Don't act like miners are the only ones who get in impossible to win fights. Everyone does. 90% of PvP is knowing how to avoid those fights. Miners aren't going to be killing anyone, but they're certainly not defenseless. A PvPer (a real one, not an F1 slave from 0.0) could hop in an untanked hulk and fly around during hulkageddon without dying easily. Miners just never bother to develop the skills to avoid fights. |
Tore Vest
297
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:04:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Tore Vest wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
They certainly don't seem to take in any advice on how to not get ganked. Instead opting to come on here and whine about it.
So.. you.. gankers are advicing your victims on how to not get ganked.... so nice of you The advice is.. stay loged off.... rigth ? Or.. maby tank that hulk so you need 3 destroyers to gank him ? Fit a tank, watch local, set standings on known corporations of gankers, watch D-Scan, don't be AFK. It's all been spelled out here on the forums and everywhere else.
That would work in nullsec
No troll. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
393
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:13:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Tore Vest wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
They certainly don't seem to take in any advice on how to not get ganked. Instead opting to come on here and whine about it.
So.. you.. gankers are advicing your victims on how to not get ganked.... so nice of you The advice is.. stay loged off.... rigth ? Or.. maby tank that hulk so you need 3 destroyers to gank him ? Fit a tank, watch local, set standings on known corporations of gankers, watch D-Scan, don't be AFK. It's all been spelled out here on the forums and everywhere else. That would work in nullsec
Are you saying it doesn't work in Highsec? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Tore Vest
297
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:19:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:
Fit a tank, watch local, set standings on known corporations of gankers, watch D-Scan, don't be AFK. It's all been spelled out here on the forums and everywhere else.
Are you saying it doesn't work in Highsec?
Have you tryed it yourself ? No troll. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:20:00 -
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Joran Dravius wrote:A PvPer (a real one, not an F1 slave from 0.0) could hop in an untanked hulk and fly around during hulkageddon without dying easily.
95% chance that this pvp'er will fall into not-so-obvious Damnation trap eventually.
Joran Dravius wrote:Miners just never bother to develop the skills to avoid fights.
I'm a miner. - Haven't flown any "target ships" during Hulkageddons - Can flipping never works. You can try it, but you just waste your time. - I know how to keep local in its own window and how to use d-scan (long and short range). |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
91
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:20:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:That would work in nullsec
If you fit a decent tank to a Hulk, it can take 3 Tornados to gank it. Set your d-scan to 500,000km, and if you see multiple Tornados or other common ganking ships on it: align out, and then warp out when they land. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
155
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Posted - 2012.05.07 08:20:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13300867
Behold, the almighty triple shieldbooster ganktank! |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
127
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Posted - 2012.05.07 23:03:00 -
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Behold a 0.0 sec miner that doesn't know how to tank a hulk either appearantly. This was one of three that showed up on the kill boards. All were poorly tanked.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13307083 |
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