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Arboledam
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:19:00 -
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I know this has to be covered, probably in guides somewhere. If so, could someone point me to a guide?
I'm in a WH and I have the right planets to create POS fuel and a large tower. However, I can't find information about what POS modules I need to create the POS fuel (I think I need some reactor arrays, right?) and the steps I need to take once I've gathered the PI resources... Could someone link me to a resource that covers this?
The POS is Caldari... |
Juan Sezole
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:29:00 -
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Arboledam wrote:I know this has to be covered, probably in guides somewhere. If so, could someone point me to a guide?
I'm in a WH and I have the right planets to create POS fuel and a large tower. However, I can't find information about what POS modules I need to create the POS fuel (I think I need some reactor arrays, right?) and the steps I need to take once I've gathered the PI resources... Could someone link me to a resource that covers this?
The POS is Caldari...
You need a Capital Ship Assembly array to make fuel in w-space. |
Cerberos Targarian
Crimson Cell
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Posted - 2012.05.07 03:09:00 -
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Juan Sezole wrote:You need a Capital Ship Assembly array to make fuel in w-space.
I'm hoping your trolling here...
An Ammunition or component assembly array works. |
Arboledam
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.07 03:20:00 -
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I just found something that says I need an ammo assembly array or component assembly array (as the poster above mentions) and a BPC for the fuel I'm trying to make - does that sound right? Do I need coupling arrays and/or silos as well? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.05.07 03:33:00 -
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Arboledam wrote:I just found something that says I need an ammo assembly array or component assembly array (as the poster above mentions) and a BPC for the fuel I'm trying to make - does that sound right? Do I need coupling arrays and/or silos as well?
Nope. Just the array, the BP, and components. |
Arboledam
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.07 03:45:00 -
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Thanks, will try that! |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
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Posted - 2012.05.07 03:49:00 -
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Manufacturing POS fuel blocks require a blueprint (copy or original), a selection of PI products, a selection of ice products, and a suitable manufacturing facility (station, outpost, or ammo/component array). Your options are to build them in w-space at a POS or to build them in empire space at a station or outpost.
If you choose to build them in w-space you need to ferry the ice products, and the blueprints, into your w-system and (usually) produce the PI components in-system. Then you pop the stuff into a POS array that youGÇÖve anchored and onlined, start the process, wait, and then store the products somewhere and usually offline the module and possibly unanchor and store it. If you choose to build them in empire space you will usually need to ferry your PI components out and combine them with your ice products and a blueprint in a station (or outpost) somewhere. Then you will need to ferry the fuel blocks back into your w-system and store them at your POS awaiting use.
When I last lived in w-space, post fuel blocks, I chose the second option. I looked at the volumes involved, and the fact that an empty hauler required no less jumps than a full one, and decided that hisec production was a better option. Building them in hisec also meant I did not have to haul BPs or the ammo / component assembly array into w-space. When I was running my POS resupply IGÇÖd haul mammoth loads of PI stuff and T3 polymers out to empire space to meet my waiting freighter which was loaded up with fuel blocks and other resupply stuff. The mammoth would then head back to w-space for its next load carrying fuel blocks etc GǪ manufactured from the last lot of PI stuff IGÇÖd hauled out.
I am aware of other people, including some of my corp-mates, building them in w-space, but I cannot recommend that.
Anyways if you really must, the POS module is either the ammo assembly array or the component assembly array and you do not need siloes or any other modules GǪ except for storage once youGÇÖve manufactured them. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Arboledam
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.07 04:02:00 -
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Thanks for the informative responses! |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.05.07 04:05:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:Manufacturing POS fuel blocks require a blueprint (copy or original), a selection of PI products, a selection of ice products, and a suitable manufacturing facility (station, outpost, or ammo/component array). Your options are to build them in w-space at a POS or to build them in empire space at a station or outpost.
If you choose to build them in w-space you need to ferry the ice products, and the blueprints, into your w-system and (usually) produce the PI components in-system. Then you pop the stuff into a POS array that youGÇÖve anchored and onlined, start the process, wait, and then store the products somewhere and usually offline the module and possibly unanchor and store it. If you choose to build them in empire space you will usually need to ferry your PI components out and combine them with your ice products and a blueprint in a station (or outpost) somewhere. Then you will need to ferry the fuel blocks back into your w-system and store them at your POS awaiting use.
When I last lived in w-space, post fuel blocks, I chose the second option. I looked at the volumes involved, and the fact that an empty hauler required no less jumps than a full one, and decided that hisec production was a better option. Building them in hisec also meant I did not have to haul BPs or the ammo / component assembly array into w-space. When I was running my POS resupply IGÇÖd haul mammoth loads of PI stuff and T3 polymers out to empire space to meet my waiting freighter which was loaded up with fuel blocks and other resupply stuff. The mammoth would then head back to w-space for its next load carrying fuel blocks etc GǪ manufactured from the last lot of PI stuff IGÇÖd hauled out.
I am aware of other people, including some of my corp-mates, building them in w-space, but I cannot recommend that.
Anyways if you really must, the POS module is either the ammo assembly array or the component assembly array and you do not need siloes or any other modules GǪ except for storage once youGÇÖve manufactured them.
That is an interesting take on it. I felt (possibly erroneously) the opposite.
I think it would depend greatly on several factors. First how many of the PI POS fuels you can make inside your WH. Also, what kind of WH it is, which factors in how easy/difficult your logistics becomes.
My last WH I made my fuels inside. I used a component array, which I was already using anyhow for storage, as they are more bang for your buck than a CHA.
I had started before the POS fuel change, so I was already used to hauling in the needed supplies. I kept a spreadsheet which included a quick calculator so one could easily figure out how many units of whatever we needed (heavy water etc) so you could easily purchase the correct amount. The WH had a lowsec static, so supply runs were made whenever a good exit presented itself.
The basic rule was that no hauler ever came back empty. Blockade runners were usually used. Sleeper loot etc would be hauled to market. Then ice products would come back. Rather than one huge supply run, we did small, more frequent runs when we were heading to market anyhow. Due to the amount of PI products made inside, this meant we hauled in far less volume than we would have needed to by hauling it out, manufacturing, and hauling back in. In fact it worked so well, that we had too much excess stuff to haul out when we finally moved out of the WH.
That being said, if I had a HS static, and an orca, it would have been easier to just buy fuel blocks off the market and sell the PI products for profit. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
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Posted - 2012.05.07 04:20:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:That being said, if I had a HS static, and an orca, it would have been easier to just buy fuel blocks off the market and sell the PI products for profit.
From C2/C3 IGÇÖd wait until I had a hisec K162 or a de novo hisec WH for these major resupply efforts, and ended up doing them approximately monthly. From C4/C5 IGÇÖd usually use a C2 connection to hisec or the occasional direct connection. Only a few desperate times did I find myself hauling thru low or null. My low-volume high-value stuff went out at all times, whenever I needed the components for manufacture or the isk to buy toys with, but it usually went in either a covops frigate or a nullified T3 GÇÿhaulerGÇÖ.
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illy velo
Production N Destruction INC. The Last Chancers.
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:22:00 -
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I used to just harvest the PI in the WH and make the fuel blocks in hisec but to each their own. My take was the less crap hanging out in the WH (ice parts, high end PI) the better. Also, one less array to keep online / in system.
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Galffin
Black Lion Brigade Tragedy.
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:09:00 -
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The quick and dirty math is.
Fuel blocks take up 92% of the m3 of the components. 200m3 in fuel blocks are 217.6m3 in components.
Fuel from PI account for 17% of the total m3 in fuel blocks. The remaining 180 of 217.6m3 must be hauled even with all PI available.
Fuel manufacture has various profit margins but typically you will save 100m a month per large tower if you manufacture yourself over buying.
Because of this my corp is buying the fuel and hauling that. We usually have 4-5 people per large tower which works out to 20m more isk per person in corp per month in fuel costs. This also allows less active members to PI for profit and easily cover their costs. |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:22:00 -
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Informative thread. I started running PI last week for this same purpose. I can't make all the components in our hole but I can make enough to shave off a good 25% of the cost. |
Galffin
Black Lion Brigade Tragedy.
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:55:00 -
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Radelix Cisko wrote:Informative thread. I started running PI last week for this same purpose. I can't make all the components in our hole but I can make enough to shave off a good 25% of the cost.
You should be comparing the isk you save with how much you could make running PI for pure profit. Then decide if it is worth it. |
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