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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
163
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:52:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence?
Are you high? Do you really think that devs being forced to play with dev tags on would somehow lead to less people seeking 'dev favours' than devs being forced to play on totally anonymous alts without ties to any alliance leadership. That suggests a total lack of understanding of human nature right there. CCP knows who the dev alts are, and I would expect that every aspect of their gameplay is being constantly scrutinised by Internal Affairs. What possible benefit could your proposal add over that?
It's called voice chat. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:54:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:It's called voice chat.
Could you elaborate on that a bit? I know what voice chat is called already. |
Ejit
STD contractors
54
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:18:00 -
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There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.
Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.
And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:22:00 -
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Ejit wrote:Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.
Because this certainly worked well last time. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
123
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:24:00 -
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Ejit wrote:There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.
Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.
And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.
I agree completely, because everyone knows it's the fact that GSF is one alliance rather than 8 unified alliances that is driving all the corruption in eve online. You should have gone for something completely ridiculous like 'the solution is a better tank on hulks'.
And also, I'll remind everyone that all the corruption predates the existance of internal affairs. You'd better believe that if eveo rebooted every time shrikes titan was in danger, GSF would have reported that to IA and demanded an investigation into whether there were real reasons why the game had to be restarted.
The game restarting every time a given gameplay scenario happens isn't proof, but it's at least something that can be investigated. It's a lot more than anyone in this thread has brought to the table.
Literally, no one in this thread has even bought up a situation that could be investigated, let alone 'evidence'. Instead they're relying on people ignoring all the things CCP has done to prevent corruption to focus on 'some bad things happened once'. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:25:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence?
Are you high? Do you really think that devs being forced to play with dev tags on would somehow lead to less people seeking 'dev favours' than devs being forced to play on totally anonymous alts without ties to any alliance leadership. That suggests a total lack of understanding of human nature right there. CCP knows who the dev alts are, and I would expect that every aspect of their gameplay is being constantly scrutinised by Internal Affairs. What possible benefit could your proposal add over that? It's called voice chat.
This is not a proposal. This is a blurb. A blurb contains no substantial information. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
655
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:39:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Ejit wrote:There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.
Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000. I agree completely, because everyone knows it's the fact that GSF is one alliance rather than 8 unified alliances that is driving all the corruption in eve online. You should have gone for something completely ridiculous like 'the solution is a better tank on hulks'. We'd have GSF1, GSF2, GSF3, GSF4... GSF14, GSF15 etc etc TEST, 7EST, T3ST, TE5T, TES7, etc etc Like the famous VCbee### (3 or 4 digits).
I'm surprised that by now the poster hasn't "bought in" to the forums' view that the whole CFC isn't actually a bunch of alliances allied to one another buy just pets or something. If so, the above solution makes no sense either... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
781
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Posted - 2012.05.10 02:19:00 -
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It used to be BOB and now it is goons, it is also their game. So you can't really do anything about it. That is the final answer TBH.
P.S.
Quote: :edit: And by basis we presume actual real activity or such to point at not the findings of your local tarot card reader or your own psychic gifts.
Dear Mr Dev, you might be surprised by how much (some of us) actually know. Passing secrets at RL BBQ's FTW.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
877
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Posted - 2012.05.10 02:51:00 -
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lol npc forum posters getting destroyed in this thread |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2012.05.10 02:56:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:It used to be BOB and now it is goons, it is also their game. So you can't really do anything about it. That is the final answer TBH. P.S.Quote: :edit: And by basis we presume actual real activity or such to point at not the findings of your local tarot card reader or your own psychic gifts.
Dear Mr Dev, you might be surprised by how much (some of us) actually know. Passing secrets at RL BBQ's FTW.
Why isn't what you 'know' on the front page of the BBC website like the last lot of internal drama was? |
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:24:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:It used to be BOB and now it is goons, it is also their game. So you can't really do anything about it. That is the final answer TBH. P.S.Quote: :edit: And by basis we presume actual real activity or such to point at not the findings of your local tarot card reader or your own psychic gifts.
Dear Mr Dev, you might be surprised by how much (some of us) actually know. Passing secrets at RL BBQ's FTW.
I'm not surprised at all by how much you know.
Hint: It rhymes with "nothing" |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
231
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:32:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:... (some might say slanderous) ... Slander is spoken. Libel is written.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Side note/request: is there someplace I can mine tinfoil in Eve? Would be a serious ISK maker.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:37:00 -
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Nick Bison wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:... (some might say slanderous) ... Salnder is spoken. Liable is written. Sorry, couldn't resist. Side note/request: is there someplace I can mine tinfoil in Eve? Would be a serious ISK maker.
It's spelled Slander and Libel. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
231
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:40:00 -
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Andrey Wartooth wrote:Nick Bison wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:... (some might say slanderous) ... Salnder is spoken. Liable is written. Sorry, couldn't resist. Side note/request: is there someplace I can mine tinfoil in Eve? Would be a serious ISK maker. It's spelled Slander and Libel.
Dang, a combination of bad spelling and typing Corrected ... my thanks.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
499
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:56:00 -
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So, don't play EVE OP.
And can I have your stuff? |
Vxrasa
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
5
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Posted - 2012.05.10 04:50:00 -
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Ejit wrote:There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.
Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.
And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.
You are literally so stupid that I lack the mental faculties to properly process your retardation. You have literally broken my brain with your stupidity. You sir, are a god among plebeians.
Shrike was Sir Molle's alt, Sir Molle is not a dev |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:12:00 -
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Vxrasa wrote:Ejit wrote:There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.
Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.
And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.
You are literally so stupid that I lack the mental faculties to properly process your retardation. You have literally broken my brain with your stupidity. You sir, are a god among plebeians. Shrike was Sir Molle's alt, Sir Molle is not a dev
Oh jeez, I didn't even notice him saying that. I just assumed he was talking about devs saving molles titan every time it got tackled but in his own brand of mangled english. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
657
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:16:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Vxrasa wrote:Ejit wrote:There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.
Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.
And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.
You are literally so stupid that I lack the mental faculties to properly process your retardation. You have literally broken my brain with your stupidity. You sir, are a god among plebeians. Shrike was Sir Molle's alt, Sir Molle is not a dev Oh jeez, I didn't even notice him saying that. I just assumed he was talking about devs saving molles titan every time it got tackled but in his own brand of mangled english. Pppffttt, that's right. Shrike was SirMolle's titan alt... ugh, thanks for catching that. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1066
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:22:00 -
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No wonder they hate NPC Corp alts so much. :smh: |
Lucius Chernikova
CRITICAL Novus
0
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Absolutely.
Dev corpses = best corpses. GǪnot to mention dev wrecks with special dev equipment loot = best wrecks and loot.
I host and develop for my own tiny non-eve server on my free-time. As a developer, reading this thread concerns me, because playing developers is always a fine line. I feel that having developers play is an essential part of the development experience. Some games separate that with a test server, but for eve that's not really viable.
When I play my own game, I go with 100% legitimacy and transparency (IE: I make the character the same way a player would, grind it up, and work it. For devs here I suppose they could set account "research time" for how long they've been working here, or keep prior accounts if they had one, maybe start with one BS or lower class ship with "normal" rigging), absolutely >NO< spawned items, and for my server, I implemented a tool to allow players to brown-nose my characters (which I am 100% clear and transparent are mine), if they so pleased. Players see what i'm doing and what i'm making items-wise on my real character, but it's not a huge problem overall, just makes things a little more challenging if I play (balances dev-knowledge a little, if anything), and re-assures people there is no "dev loot" to be had, and all of what my characters have is 'real'.
If i'm just testing something, I use a separate Non-active char (no guild(corp), can't interact with players in any way, just to make sure "X" quest works and whatnot.) Obviously I would never reboot the servers or kick players/etc for my 'real' account's benefit.
I feel if the Devs here are running 100% illegitimate characters with spawned items there may well be an issue worth looking into, and maybe setting some *ADDITIONAL* and public rules for. I find it >INCREDIBLY< unlikely that a game like this doesn't have logs for GM actions (IE: kicks, spawned items, created characters, etc), and it might be worthwhile to have those public (I have one and it has little commentary about what an item's for if I spawn it on a non level 0 immortal GM character- takes me an extra second or so), or at least to have the logs monitored by someone impartial.
Just my 2c. |
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:53:00 -
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Lucius Chernikova wrote:Tippia wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Absolutely.
Dev corpses = best corpses. GǪnot to mention dev wrecks with special dev equipment loot = best wrecks and loot. I host and develop for my own tiny non-eve server on my free-time. As a developer, reading this thread concerns me, because playing developers is always a fine line. I feel that having developers play is an essential part of the development experience. Some games separate that with a test server, but for eve that's not really viable. When I play my own game, I go with 100% legitimacy and transparency (IE: I make the character the same way a player would, grind it up, and work it. For devs here I suppose they could set account "research time" for how long they've been working here, or keep prior accounts if they had one, maybe start with one BS or lower class ship with "normal" rigging), absolutely >NO< spawned items, and for my server, I implemented a tool to allow players to brown-nose my characters (which I am 100% clear and transparent are mine), if they so pleased. Players see what i'm doing and what i'm making items-wise on my real character, but it's not a huge problem overall, just makes things a little more challenging if I play (balances dev-knowledge a little, if anything), and re-assures people there is no "dev loot" to be had, and all of what my characters have is 'real'. If i'm just testing something, I use a separate Non-active char (no guild(corp), can't interact with players in any way, just to make sure "X" quest works and whatnot.) Obviously I would never reboot the servers or kick players/etc for my 'real' account's benefit. I feel if the Devs here are running 100% illegitimate characters with spawned items there may well be an issue worth looking into, and maybe setting some *ADDITIONAL* and public rules for. I find it >INCREDIBLY< unlikely that a game like this doesn't have logs for GM actions (IE: kicks, spawned items, created characters, etc), and it might be worthwhile to have those public (I have one and it has little commentary about what an item's for if I spawn it on a non level 0 immortal GM character- takes me an extra second or so), or at least to have the logs monitored by someone impartial. Just my 2c.
The Dev characters that don't have CCP in front of them play the game just like everyone else does. The only thing they do get is a lifetime sub to the game.
Now, the characters with CCP in front of them, those are the characters that use special ships and everything, but they aren't really used for competitions and stuff, they're mostly there to keep the peace in certain situations, or to just observe goings on or whatever. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.05.10 06:00:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say. Except it wasn't just gut feeling, it was evidence. which is why CCP threatened to sue unless goons stop the unfounded slander
anyways, if Sreegs did make unfounded accusations against devs he did so on alts - I think it's notable to point out that even during his CSM campaigning he stayed entirely clear of making "fight dev favoritism" or anything along these lines one of his talking points. |
Vulix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.10 07:59:00 -
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this thread sucks |
Nevigrofnu Mrots
Heroes of the Past Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.10 08:35:00 -
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Vulix wrote:this thread sucks
NOooooooooooo I didn't had so mutch fun with this thin foil hat stuff since last week.
let me add more wood to this fire, its time to tell everyone the truth, they have found the SECRET...
yes, its true, The Mitanni is a CCP dev.
All members of the CFC are CCP devs.
CCP = CFC = CCP = CFC (can you see the resemblance)
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Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
179
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Posted - 2012.05.10 08:58:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote: anyways, if Sreegs did make unfounded accusations against devs he did so on alts - I think it's notable to point out that even during his CSM campaigning he stayed entirely clear of making "fight dev favoritism" or anything along these lines one of his talking points.
Wait what
(I support CCP Sreegs for CSM8) Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |
Josef Djugashvilis
154
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Posted - 2012.05.10 09:20:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is [email protected]That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on. Um, yeah, it's really easy to detect a dev, playing on an alt, in the game. *rolls eyes* Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence? You're not suggesting that the folks who directly benefit from a dev's presence report him, right? That's kinda like expecting a stock broker to report his client who just fed him insider information.
Actually, as low down as I am in the Eve food chain, if any Dev were to offer or enable me to gain an unfair adavantage ingame, I would report it as fast as I can type. You want fries with that? |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1232
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Posted - 2012.05.10 10:07:00 -
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I unironically believe every single CCP employee that is working on the Eve product should be required to play the **** out of this game. I loved it when I'd get a dev in our summits who would own the **** out of one of us on details about how the game worked.
It was even more awesome when it was John Lander. |
Ltd SpacePig
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
14
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Posted - 2012.05.10 10:26:00 -
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Some people can't accept that they are **** at this game and being stupid so they have to blame CCP or other players for them being so bad. It most be some kind of dev conspiracy because it can't be me being so dumb right? If you get scammed by goons then you are dumb or being a n00b. Get over it and get on with your game or go back to play Pink Ponys online or something. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.05.10 11:05:00 -
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Jace Errata wrote:Vera Algaert wrote: anyways, if Sreegs did make unfounded accusations against devs he did so on alts - I think it's notable to point out that even during his CSM campaigning he stayed entirely clear of making "fight dev favoritism" or anything along these lines one of his talking points.
Wait what (I support CCP Sreegs for CSM8) he was on CSM 1 and 2
(for CCP to hire you, CCP has to get to know you first - CSM is not only a great PR stunt, it's also an assessment center ) |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.05.10 11:26:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Actually, as low down as I am in the Eve food chain, if any Dev were to offer or enable me to gain an unfair adavantage ingame, I would report it as fast as I can type.
How un-Goon-like of you. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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