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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:43:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: Youre missing the point... what risk? And it WAS worth the risk before lol
The risk that they'd be dismissed for cause, not be able to get another job and be stuck in Iceland polishing walrus tusks until they die alone and forgotten. And sure, it was worth the risk before when there was no actual chance of getting caught and no mechanism in place for being fired if you were caught. But now there are both. Feels good man.
But the mechanism is run by teh goonies!!!1!!!1 |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:45:00 -
[482] - Quote
Andrey Wartooth wrote:
Could you link us to this icelandic law?
Youre talking to a guy whose told you he has Goons blocked
Edit: which he can see now since I quoted it lol http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Cutout Man
Archimedean Point
7
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:45:00 -
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CCP Arkanon wrote:You're describing someone actively seeking to sabotage CCP, even in the hiring process. You're right that it would be hard to catch someone willing to jump through secret service level hoops to hide from us, but I'm confident we would catch them eventually.
And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found. You're assuming an active desire to "sabotage" the hiring process. It is actually much, much simpler than that. Any person in this game who has actively participated in the more involved forms of the spy game would have already done all of the things I mentioned and many other things simply to evade the more intricate forms of alliance counterintelligence. Many people would have no issue with not mentioning one of their characters if they thought for a minute they could get away with it. There needn't be any desire to "hurt" CCP at the root of their motivations. They aren't likely to see themselves as hurting CCP, only helping their friends with "harmless" information. Since we know for a fact something like this has happened before, it isn't unreasonable to posit that it will happen again.
The laws in the U.S. are such that employers who don't want to get sued into oblivion will make no comment to other employers that call for references other than to say whether or not they would rehire the person. I would guess that CCP, which has a U.S. subsidiary and can be sued in the U.S., takes a similar path. It is unlikely that anything other than firing would occur. I don't know who the people were in the T20 scandal, but I'm willing to bet they aren't living on the street. I'm not familiar with Icelandic laws, perhaps they differ. Perhaps that's as good a reason as any to consolidate the development team in Iceland.
None of this is to say that something untoward is definitely occuring, but it is clearly a concern or there wouldn't be an Internal Affairs group. The effect such a person has on the game is powerful. In most games, their damage would be limited to giving out goodies or money or maybe play time. EVE is built on player interaction in a player built world. The damage they do effects everyone who plays, either directly or indirectly. It is entirely appropriate that the player base question the system. The OP was short on anything substantive and I don't put much faith in it, but the responses from teh CCP side are a bit snarky and dismissive. You might consider muzzling staff responses on such delicate issues and issuing bland, stock statements. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:48:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote:
Could you link us to this icelandic law?
Youre talking to a guy whose told you he has Goons blocked Edit: which he can see now since I quoted it lol
When it was brought to light by kugu, supposedly there was only a skeleton crew on staff, he was disciplined somehow then (as we were told then), and when it was later asked for his firing, we were told they couldnt because of an Icelandic law that made it illegal to punish him twice. As for a link, ask CCP. Its not MY fault if your account is too young to have been there
Cutout Man wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:You're describing someone actively seeking to sabotage CCP, even in the hiring process. You're right that it would be hard to catch someone willing to jump through secret service level hoops to hide from us, but I'm confident we would catch them eventually.
And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found. You're assuming an active desire to "sabotage" the hiring process. It is actually much, much simpler than that. Any person in this game who has actively participated in the more involved forms of the spy game would have already done all of the things I mentioned and many other things simply to evade the more intricate forms of alliance counterintelligence.
How many stories have you heard of where ppl run months/half year long infiltration ops? Guiding Hand?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
938
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:48:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:So you're attempting to create a false controversy over people's real life careers to encourage people to unsub so that CCP will then reverse the decision to alter the datacore mechanics?
You are seriously ****** in the head, no hyperbole.
:eveo: |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:51:00 -
[486] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:So you're attempting to create a false controversy over people's real life careers to encourage people to unsub so that CCP will then reverse the decision to alter the datacore mechanics?
You are seriously ****** in the head, no hyperbole. :eveo:
Says the Goon
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:52:00 -
[487] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:So you're attempting to create a false controversy over people's real life careers to encourage people to unsub so that CCP will then reverse the decision to alter the datacore mechanics?
You are seriously ****** in the head, no hyperbole. :eveo: Says the Goon
Would you like to be a goon? It costs :10bux:
Literally anyone with the capacity to use a keyboard and access to money can be a goon. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1391
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:53:00 -
[488] - Quote
Cutout Man wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:You're describing someone actively seeking to sabotage CCP, even in the hiring process. You're right that it would be hard to catch someone willing to jump through secret service level hoops to hide from us, but I'm confident we would catch them eventually.
And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found. You're assuming an active desire to "sabotage" the hiring process. It is actually much, much simpler than that. Any person in this game who has actively participated in the more involved forms of the spy game would have already done all of the things I mentioned and many other things simply to evade the more intricate forms of alliance counterintelligence. Many people would have no issue with not mentioning one of their characters if they thought for a minute they could get away with it. There needn't be any desire to "hurt" CCP at the root of their motivations. They aren't likely to see themselves as hurting CCP, only helping their friends with "harmless" information. Since we know for a fact something like this has happened before, it isn't unreasonable to posit that it will happen again. The laws in the U.S. are such that employers who don't want to get sued into oblivion will make no comment to other employers that call for references other than to say whether or not they would rehire the person. I would guess that CCP, which has a U.S. subsidiary and can be sued in the U.S., takes a similar path. It is unlikely that anything other than firing would occur. I don't know who the people were in the T20 scandal, but I'm willing to bet they aren't living on the street. I'm not familiar with Icelandic laws, perhaps they differ. Perhaps that's as good a reason as any to consolidate the development team in Iceland. None of this is to say that something untoward is definitely occuring, but it is clearly a concern or there wouldn't be an Internal Affairs group. The effect such a person has on the game is powerful. In most games, their damage would be limited to giving out goodies or money or maybe play time. EVE is built on player interaction in a player built world. The damage they do effects everyone who plays, either directly or indirectly. It is entirely appropriate that the player base question the system. The OP was short on anything substantive and I don't put much faith in it, but the responses from teh CCP side are a bit snarky and dismissive. You might consider muzzling staff responses on such delicate issues and issuing bland, stock statements.
I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.
I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:54:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:So you're attempting to create a false controversy over people's real life careers to encourage people to unsub so that CCP will then reverse the decision to alter the datacore mechanics?
You are seriously ****** in the head, no hyperbole. :eveo: Says the Goon Would you like to be a goon? It costs :10bux: Literally anyone with the capacity to use a keyboard and access to money can be a goon.
Yes, I read the red bar... How IS it youre the only corp allowed to require real money to get in?
I dont see te normal BS about how the money isfor your forums in that post
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:57:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:So you're attempting to create a false controversy over people's real life careers to encourage people to unsub so that CCP will then reverse the decision to alter the datacore mechanics?
You are seriously ****** in the head, no hyperbole. :eveo: Says the Goon Would you like to be a goon? It costs :10bux: Literally anyone with the capacity to use a keyboard and access to money can be a goon. Yes, I read the red bar... How IS it youre the only corp allowed to require real money to get in? I dont see te normal BS about how the money isfor your forums in that post
"Goons" are people who read and post on somethingawful.com an internet website that costs 10 dollars to post to. There are hundreds of thousands of active readers.
"Goonwaffe" is the corporation in Eve Online for people who read that forum. There are maybe a few thousand members? I'm not privy to the exact figures just being some regular dude.
PS: Even if you did decide to become a somethingawful reader, you could never become a member of GSF. It is for something awful members who want to play eve online, not eve online players who want to play eve online with goonswarm. |
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HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:00:00 -
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goonswarm must burn / ccp must burn / i must use a shift key |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:02:00 -
[492] - Quote
Andrey Wartooth wrote: YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE
Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread?
Classical hysteria... the kind for which doctors used to administer vibrator treatments.
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Josef Djugashvilis
155
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:03:00 -
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CCP should lock and even delete this thread.
But if they do, the 'conspiracy nuts' will see it as evidence that CCP have something to hide.
A few deluded players, who are not prepared to provide any evidence of wrong doing by CCP, are givng 'our' game unwanted; unwarranted bad publicity.
Put up or shut up. You want fries with that? |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:03:00 -
[494] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote: YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE
Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread?
No, but I do think it's ****** up to try and damage a company reputation because your gun mining got nerfed. It was gun mining for you, wasn't it? |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
560
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:04:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
"Goons" are people who read and post on somethingawful.com an internet website that costs 10 dollars to post to. There are hundreds of thousands of active readers.
"Goonwaffe" is the corporation in Eve Online for people who read that forum. There are maybe a few thousand members? I'm not privy to the exact figures just being some regular dude.
PS: Even if you did decide to become a somethingawful reader, you could never become a member of GSF. It is for something awful members who want to play eve online, not eve online players who want to play eve online with goonswarm.
You know you love the J4G pubies.
Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
148
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:04:00 -
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This thread sucks. I thought it was about something, then it derailed into something else. I wanted to reply but IDK what to reply with so..... Thread broken? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:07:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
"Goons" are people who read and post on somethingawful.com an internet website that costs 10 dollars to post to. There are hundreds of thousands of active readers.
"Goonwaffe" is the corporation in Eve Online for people who read that forum. There are maybe a few thousand members? I'm not privy to the exact figures just being some regular dude.
PS: Even if you did decide to become a somethingawful reader, you could never become a member of GSF. It is for something awful members who want to play eve online, not eve online players who want to play eve online with goonswarm.
Nice save
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:08:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote: YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE
Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread? Classical hysteria... the kind for which doctors used to administer vibrator treatments.
Lol if they didnt over cheating in the game why the hell would they over the forums?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
154
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:08:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
"Goons" are people who read and post on somethingawful.com an internet website that costs 10 dollars to post to. There are hundreds of thousands of active readers.
"Goonwaffe" is the corporation in Eve Online for people who read that forum. There are maybe a few thousand members? I'm not privy to the exact figures just being some regular dude.
PS: Even if you did decide to become a somethingawful reader, you could never become a member of GSF. It is for something awful members who want to play eve online, not eve online players who want to play eve online with goonswarm.
Nice save
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF6SNxNIV08 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
154
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:09:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Malphilos wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote: YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE
Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread? Classical hysteria... the kind for which doctors used to administer vibrator treatments. Lol if they didnt over cheating in the game why the hell would they over the forums?
I don't think T20 is with the company anymore? I remember someone figuring that out somehow. |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:10:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
"Goons" are people who read and post on somethingawful.com an internet website that costs 10 dollars to post to. There are hundreds of thousands of active readers.
"Goonwaffe" is the corporation in Eve Online for people who read that forum. There are maybe a few thousand members? I'm not privy to the exact figures just being some regular dude.
PS: Even if you did decide to become a somethingawful reader, you could never become a member of GSF. It is for something awful members who want to play eve online, not eve online players who want to play eve online with goonswarm.
Nice save http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF6SNxNIV08
I guess my expectations for Goons to have a thicker skin were unfounded too. I was joking at HIS expense not yours -.-
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
170
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:11:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.
I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to.
If you can't trust a super-secret process... then what can you trust? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:11:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Malphilos wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote: YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE
Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread? Classical hysteria... the kind for which doctors used to administer vibrator treatments. Lol if they didnt over cheating in the game why the hell would they over the forums? I don't think T20 is with the company anymore? I remember someone figuring that out somehow.
Yeah 'cept for ppl like Sig, "he didnt get fired but got to leave on his own" apparently isnt good enough http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:12:00 -
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but who watches the watchmen |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
154
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:12:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
"Goons" are people who read and post on somethingawful.com an internet website that costs 10 dollars to post to. There are hundreds of thousands of active readers.
"Goonwaffe" is the corporation in Eve Online for people who read that forum. There are maybe a few thousand members? I'm not privy to the exact figures just being some regular dude.
PS: Even if you did decide to become a somethingawful reader, you could never become a member of GSF. It is for something awful members who want to play eve online, not eve online players who want to play eve online with goonswarm.
Nice save http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF6SNxNIV08 I guess my expectations for Goons to have a thicker skin were unfounded too. I was joking at HIS expense not yours -.-
Do you know how much trouble I went to to find that youtube video. Literally 30 seconds of my life went into that so you had better appreciate it. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1837
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:13:00 -
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If you want to be taken seriously, and shut up all of the people telling you that you are hysterically over reacting (not to mention going well beyond the bounds of common sense and good taste), the answer is simple.
POST YOUR PROOF.
One single shred will do.
We'll wait. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:14:00 -
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Quote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.
I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to.
Eh you gonna start banning ppl for accusing Goon and CCP are in cahoots? I doubt that will help the issue
Ranger 1 wrote:If you want to be taken seriously, and shut up all of the people telling you that you are hysterically over reacting (not to mention going well beyond the bounds of common sense and good taste), the answer is simple.
POST YOUR PROOF.
One single shred will do.
We'll wait.
Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:18:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Quote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.
I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to. Eh you gonna start banning ppl for accusing Goon and CCP are in cahoots? I doubt that will help the issue Ranger 1 wrote:If you want to be taken seriously, and shut up all of the people telling you that you are hysterically over reacting (not to mention going well beyond the bounds of common sense and good taste), the answer is simple.
POST YOUR PROOF.
One single shred will do.
We'll wait. Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again
Come on, if they'd done that this thread would have been a lot shorter and a lot less entertaining. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1837
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:18:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Quote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.
I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to. Eh you gonna start banning ppl for accusing Goon and CCP are in cahoots? I doubt that will help the issue Ranger 1 wrote:If you want to be taken seriously, and shut up all of the people telling you that you are hysterically over reacting (not to mention going well beyond the bounds of common sense and good taste), the answer is simple.
POST YOUR PROOF.
One single shred will do.
We'll wait. Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again
Well, he didn't say ban. Removing the more vicious unsubstansiated accusations would be appropriate.
As to the latter, you have a point. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:20:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Quote: Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again
Well, he didn't say ban. Removing the more vicious unsubstansiated accusations would be appropriate. As to the latter, you have a point.
even that though, from the more tinfoily will enflame their opinion that theyre right CAUSE their post got snipped http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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