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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
53
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:53:00 -
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In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons.
For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED.
The player appealed, including the fact that the channel prohibits use of the channel for such things, and his loss of ISK but was flatly denied. Ironically, the MOTD changed the very next day and was sans the scam prohibition, only now WARNING against scams. CCP continued to LIE and claim that the MOTD had changed a month before the incident, which is still a complete LIE.
Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase.
This incident, in addition to anti-playerbase events such as 'Burn Jita' (trit was less after then it was before.. LOL!!), the sponsorship and basically now ownership of Hulkageddon, the custody of virtually every tech moon, every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group, a flaky 30-day suspension for virtually laughing away a human being's life, joke or not.... and so on and so forth.
I had come to my own personal conclusion that CCP and Goons have a deep, close relationship. Was I crazy or just looking for an answer that I could live with? Come to find out, one of CCP's most active and out front employees representing EvE, CCP Soundwave, was a Goon director, even presenting for the alliance at FanFest : See it here. Ya like that little sickness you are feeling knowing that their frontman is a f*cking Goon at heart?
Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game.
There is just too much B*LLSHIT Goons get away with that would not be tolerated by any other group not friendly to them. I have to believe that there are countless more CCP employees in Goon corps and blues.
These close relationships create a most unfair and unbalanced situation. Knowing beforehand changes that players are not aware of, being able to reposition and strategize before the rest of the playerbase is aware is absolutely UNETHICAL |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
408
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:54:00 -
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Goons are generally 100% accurate when it comes to making good decisions for game balance. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
668
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:54:00 -
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They hardly play it anyway, why bother? CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
51
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:55:00 -
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tl;dr
Quote:CCP employees must be removed from the game. Why? 'Cause tin foil is starting to get a bit dear?
Or because you fail at EVE? Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
dkbjitawhore
Riftside Breach
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:57:00 -
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If they didn't advertise in the recruitment channel, and only convo'd you, they are following the rule to the letter.
Don't be so eager to give away your isk/stuff. |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
53
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:57:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Goons are generally 100% accurate when it comes to making good decisions for game balance.
Yes, and we should let the inmates run the asylum too, right? |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
408
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:58:00 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Goons are generally 100% accurate when it comes to making good decisions for game balance. Yes, and we should let the inmates run the asylum too, right?
It worked for Australia. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Bane Necran
468
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:58:00 -
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I think it would be fine as long as they were stuck in NPC corps.
The problem is they always seem to end up in the big 0.0 alliances, and history is rife with examples of why that's bad for the game.
"It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6442
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:03:00 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase. Oh, that's a simple one: because they purposefully designed the game specifically to allow for that.
Quote:Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game. No, that would be horrid, because that would mean the devs have no idea about the issues that exist with their own game. We've seen on a number of occasions that as devs are more and more disconnected for the game, they make increasingly worse design decisions, and that some of the best game changes come from the devs encountering and experiencing first-hand some issue that has been annoying everyone for ages.
If you have problems with any one dev or player, send a petition to Internal Affairs and have them look at it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Calfis
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
93
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:07:00 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote: Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase.
Dude, its a sandbox, don't build sandcastles if you can't keep the kid with ass-burgers from tripping and falling on it. |
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Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
207
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:08:00 -
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Recruitment bit:
MOTD seemed to have changed between Feb. 22nd and Feb. 28th:
From the 22nd:
Channel ID: 24 Channel Name: Recruitment Listener: Siigari Kitawa Session started: 2012.02.22 11:38:57
n++[ 2012.02.22 11:38:57 ] EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted.No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility.An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.
From the 28th:
Channel Name: Recruitment Listener: Jocelyn Kitawa Session started: 2012.02.28 12:19:17
n++[ 2012.02.28 12:19:17 ] EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted.Posting scams is not allowed in this channel. We ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and please remember that any deals made or finalized are done at your own risk and responsibility.Additional recruitment sources are the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums and the in-game recruitment tool (recruitment tab in the corporation window). Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
69
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:11:00 -
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Not sure where I stand on this topic. On one hand there's the conflict of interest, on the other hand it's hard to deny that it would be difficult for the developers to really understand the current state of game mechanics in EVE if they were not allowed to play.
I think the most essential rule has to be that any CCP employee who plays cannot reveal his or her status as a developer or GM to anyone in-game. If they adhere strictly to that code of conduct, and have some sort of preventative measures in place to discourage such disclosure, then I cannot see why they shouldn't be allowed to play?
[Edit]:
Oh and your whole tie-in with CCP being Goons, I'd have to ask you to present some hard evidence to prove your claim. If you cannot, the claim is at best irrelevant and at worst an irresponsible attempt to discredit CCP. Either way, nothing good will come of such accusations. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3072
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:11:00 -
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this is a pretty hilarious level of sperg over "i didn't notice the recruitment motd was changed" |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
970
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:11:00 -
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I'm mostly a hisec player with an occasional roam into low when I get my buddies online. Having said that I seriously think that hisec should quit whining and do something about it themselves. The supposed people who represent hisec players in the CSM could use their visibility to create some chaos atleast. I'm not a huge fan of the goons, but atleast they play and they have fun. If we don't like it we'd better show up or shut up. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3072
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:12:00 -
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like really that's your big evidence for massive ccp corruption, the motd in the recruitment channel was changed |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
315
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:15:00 -
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needs more exaggerations, hyperbole, and outright falsehoods to really complete with the sperglord tinfoil kings around here
you seem more dumb and uninformed than actually mentally unhinged, sorry |
Tillin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:16:00 -
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You're kinda mad aren't you? |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
532
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:16:00 -
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Like they could legitimately police every contact derived from the recruitment channel.
Don't be an idiot. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
613
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:17:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:like really that's your big evidence for massive ccp corruption, the motd in the recruitment channel was changed I think someone didn't pass the goonwaffe recruitment requirements. Or was a spy... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:18:00 -
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Scamming is one of the methods for extracting your tears that greases the engine of the GoonSwarm Federation. |
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Tillin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:19:00 -
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I'm spying on Goonswarm right now. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:21:00 -
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Tillin Sylph wrote:I'm spying on Goonswarm right now.
Why don't I come over this afternoon and we'll do something about that hair....... Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
613
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:21:00 -
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Tillin Sylph wrote:I'm spying on Goonswarm right now. One sec, informing the appropriate authorities. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Tillin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:23:00 -
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Sometimes I spy on Alavaria Fera when she pees. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:27:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: One sec, informing the appropriate authorities.
And what are YOU staring at so hard up there ? Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:32:00 -
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If you suspect any CCP emplyoees of favoritism you should report the incident to CCP's Internal Affairs team via [email protected].
As a result of last year's company reorganization Internal Affairs is part of the Security team lead by Darius JOHNSON (aka CCP Sreegs) which will ensure that your complaints are investigated in a most neutral & objective manner. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
613
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:37:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:If you suspect any CCP emplyoees of favoritism you should report the incident to CCP's Internal Affairs team via [email protected]. As a result of last year's company reorganization Internal Affairs is part of the Security team lead by Darius JOHNSON (aka CCP Sreegs) which will ensure that your complaints are investigated in a most neutral & objective manner. So you haven't heard what the EVEO forums have to say about Darius JOHNSON Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:40:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:If you suspect any CCP emplyoees of favoritism you should report the incident to CCP's Internal Affairs team via [email protected]. As a result of last year's company reorganization Internal Affairs is part of the Security team lead by Darius JOHNSON (aka CCP Sreegs) which will ensure that your complaints are investigated in a most neutral & objective manner. So you haven't heard what the EVEO forums have to say about Darius JOHNSON no idea what they think about Darius but i know they love CCP Sreegs long time (because he's the AntiBot or something) |
Balthisus Filtch
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:48:00 -
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You have a valid concern - developers need to be independent, wield their power with responsibility and without bias.
But to limit them by not allowing them to play their own game surely is a control too war as it diminish their ability to understand the game they are trying to improve and progress.
Dev should be allowed in game - but they should never really be playing - they should be researching. Their involvement is not for fun but part of the information gathering to be good devs.
Changes to war decs, the noises about T2 production being manipulated into null sec - these things don't have clear and definite net benefit to the game as a whole and are certainly raising concerns with many, as to whether CCP have found the right balance in this area. |
Ione Hawke
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:51:00 -
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I fail to see the how you reach the conclusion that CCP Employees must be removed from game. You argue goons are bad, mkay. You argue some CCP Employees are ex-goon (no surprise there and I am sure there are employees who have played in other corps)
So how would prohibiting CCP Employees from playing stop any alleged goon favoritism? Asking CCP to fire anyone who ever played EVE would make more sense, v0v.
Anyway I dont think the game would become any better if CCP Empoyees would stop playing the game, do you?. If anything , CCP duders: start playing the game more!
Also, although I am member of an opposing nullsec alliance I love goons for the content they generate and I delight in your tears
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Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
154
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:52:00 -
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CCP probably changed it because they could not enforce it and got tired of getting petitions from it. On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |
Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
99
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:53:00 -
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You mad?
This thread really deserves it. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
304
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:53:00 -
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I thought all CCP employees had their prior game accounts frozen ?
so your saying another T20 incident can happen or has happened again? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
613
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:55:00 -
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Ione Hawke wrote:So how would prohibiting CCP Employees from playing stop any alleged goon favoritism? Asking CCP to fire anyone who ever played EVE would make more sense, v0v.
Anyway I dont think the game would become any better if CCP Empoyees would stop playing the game, do you?. If anything , CCP duders: start playing the game more! They could use some time in a highsec mining or wardec corp, TBH.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:57:00 -
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Miilla wrote:I thought all CCP employees had their prior game accounts frozen ?
so your saying another T20 incident can happen or has happened again?
It's just another standard: I got scammed by goons and now I'm mad because I play a game that allows for this and is really a big selling point but I think that I'm a special snowflake and should be sheltered and protected this post. . |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
615
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:03:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Miilla wrote:I thought all CCP employees had their prior game accounts frozen ?
so your saying another T20 incident can happen or has happened again? It's just another standard: I got scammed by goons and now I'm mad because I play a game that allows for this and is really a big selling point but I think that I'm a special snowflake and should be sheltered and protected this post. Wait, a sec, but your corp :shobon: ...
Oddly, all the Jita scams spammed by bots are perfectly normal everyday business ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2165
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:05:00 -
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Oh my, what an atrocious thread. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
210
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:06:00 -
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It doesn't take an inside scoop to know which direction things are going. People pull SiSi dumps all the time to get things most other MMO's don't release until launch. The idea that CCP Soundwave would give up such a good job. One I am sure he loves not only because it is awesome in general but because he played eve before hand. Well it is down right ridiculous he would risk it. Would you give up 50,000 - 80,000 dollars a year to help out goons? Like any company CCP has quality controls and internal affairs. Stop giving Goons undeserved attention and feeding their forum trolls.
P.S. Will you guys take note and make a tinfoil hat smiley face. "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
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TRUE ZER0
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:07:00 -
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Worked at a bar/pub for 4 years. Employees were not permitted to patronize even on their day off. So we always went next door and made an ass of ourselves. Now I understand why we had that rule. In before lock. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
615
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:09:00 -
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Digital Messiah wrote:It doesn't take an inside scoop to know which direction things are going. People pull SiSi dumps all the time to get things most other MMO's don't release until launch. The idea that CCP Soundwave would give up such a good job. One I am sure he loves not only because it is awesome in general but because he played eve before hand. Well it is down right ridiculous he would risk it. Would you give up 50,000 - 80,000 dollars a year to help out goons? Like any company CCP has quality controls and internal affairs. Stop giving Goons undeserved attention and feeding their forum trolls. P.S. Will you guys take note and make a tinfoil hat smiley face. They're suggesting CCP cut him off because he's been tainted by the evil goonies, for sure
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Tillin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:10:00 -
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Sometimes Hilmar P+¬tursson come over to my place and we kick back to eat some KFC and watch Family Guy. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
532
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:13:00 -
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TRUE ZER0 wrote:Worked at a bar/pub for 4 years. Employees were not permitted to patronize even on their day off. So we always went next door and made an ass of ourselves. Now I understand why we had that rule. Your employer knew who he or she hired and was ready for it? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1801
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:15:00 -
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TRUE ZER0 wrote:Worked at a bar/pub for 4 years. Employees were not permitted to patronize even on their day off. So we always went next door and made an ass of ourselves. Now I understand why we had that rule.
FYI, using "not drinking at your place of work" as an analogy when discussing CCP isn't going to get you very far. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Torneach
Hedion University Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:17:00 -
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Sorry, you need to collect more evidence.
One incident of a MOTD change of a phrase regarding scamming really isn't enough. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1801
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:19:00 -
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Great, we finally get some Devs that actually play EVE that are not hopeless Carebears (the majority of them still are, check their admissions in other threads devoted to "Do the Dev's Play EVE") and this knucklehead wants to make it impossible.
You fail to understand that we WANT a game where organizations like the Goons can exist along side organizations like EVE University, using the same tool set and universe but pursuing their own vastly different goals. To achieve that goal we want developers that are well versed in as many facets of the game as possible... from the loner, to the industrialist, to the pirate, and everything in between.
We do not want the universe to be fair, comfy, and safe.
We do not want devs that only understand fair, comfy, and safe.
We wants devs that understand all aspects of EVE well enough to promote a universe that is harsh, challenging, stark, and relatively unforgiving... but above all fun for those able to survive. To do that they need to get their feet wet and play all ends of the spectrum.
If you have evidence of favoritism, submit it to Internal Affairs to be investigated.
If you have no evidence you are simply trolling, and not really worthy of attention. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
532
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:21:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Great, we finally get some Devs that actually play EVE that are not hopeless Carebears (the majority of them still are, check their admissions in other threads devoted to "Do the Dev's Play EVE") and this knucklehead wants to make it impossible.
You fail to understand that we WANT a game where organizations like the Goons can exist along side organizations like EVE University, using the same tool set and universe but pursuing their own vastly different goals. To achieve that goal we want developers that are well versed in as many facets of the game as possible... from the loner, to the industrialist, to the pirate, and everything in between.
We do not want the universe to be fair, comfy, and safe.
We do not want devs that only understand fair, comfy, and safe.
We wants devs that understand all aspects of EVE well enough to promote a universe that is harsh, challenging, stark, and relatively unforgiving... but above all fun for those able to survive. To do that they need to get their feet wet and play all ends of the spectrum.
If you have evidence of favoritism, submit it to Internal Affairs to be investigated.
If you have no evidence you are simply trolling, and not really worthy of attention. You and your well-reasoned posting...
But at the end of the day we just want to pod a dev. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
445
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:23:00 -
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long long ago, CCP devs played EVE online.
then a big bad booboo happened and they were forbidden for a time.
then yet more **** happened and the players said "WADAFUK CEECEEPEE YOU DON'T PLAY THIS GAME AT ALL DO YOU MARTAFAKAHR?!?!?!!!"
then devs started to play again but with their regular character names in incogito (xcept for CCP IA afaik).
then the OP poasted this thread. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1801
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:23:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Great, we finally get some Devs that actually play EVE that are not hopeless Carebears (the majority of them still are, check their admissions in other threads devoted to "Do the Dev's Play EVE") and this knucklehead wants to make it impossible.
You fail to understand that we WANT a game where organizations like the Goons can exist along side organizations like EVE University, using the same tool set and universe but pursuing their own vastly different goals. To achieve that goal we want developers that are well versed in as many facets of the game as possible... from the loner, to the industrialist, to the pirate, and everything in between.
We do not want the universe to be fair, comfy, and safe.
We do not want devs that only understand fair, comfy, and safe.
We wants devs that understand all aspects of EVE well enough to promote a universe that is harsh, challenging, stark, and relatively unforgiving... but above all fun for those able to survive. To do that they need to get their feet wet and play all ends of the spectrum.
If you have evidence of favoritism, submit it to Internal Affairs to be investigated.
If you have no evidence you are simply trolling, and not really worthy of attention. You and your well-reasoned posting... But at the end of the day we just want to pod a dev.
Absolutely.
Dev corpses = best corpses. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
246
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:24:00 -
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And here I thought it was because Goon's had what 7,000 players in their alliance and how many others that aren't in the alliance but might as well be cause they follow along like good little bees.
Goon's don't need any help from CCP, the players are given them more then they will ever need.
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TRUE ZER0
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:25:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:TRUE ZER0 wrote:Worked at a bar/pub for 4 years. Employees were not permitted to patronize even on their day off. So we always went next door and made an ass of ourselves. Now I understand why we had that rule. FYI, using "not drinking at your place of work" as an analogy when discussing CCP isn't going to get you very far.
Couldn't eat there either. Just like Eve they had a good product back than. Just like Eve it went to sh...
In before lock. |
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Enuen Ravenseye
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
36
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:26:00 -
[51] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:rantings
Thank God - it's another "I hate Goons" thread. I haven't seen one of these in, oh, 5 minutes at the very least.
tl;dr version of the OP: I'm off my meds, the paranoid schizophrenia is really kicking in, and I have recently come to the conclusion that all the world's ills can be traced back to Goons. They barbecue unicorns and **** on rainbows. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6447
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:27:00 -
[52] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Absolutely.
Dev corpses = best corpses. GǪnot to mention dev wrecks with special dev equipment loot = best wrecks and loot. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
764
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:35:00 -
[53] - Quote
Take this:
Alavaria Fera wrote:Weaselior wrote:like really that's your big evidence for massive ccp corruption, the motd in the recruitment channel was changed I think someone didn't pass the goonwaffe recruitment requirements. Or was a spy... With this:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:Scamming is one of the methods for extracting your tears that greases the engine of the GoonSwarm Federation. Goons don't recruit from the player base. You have to be a member of their "other" group - Something Awful, to be considered for Goon membership. To be in Something Awful you have to have a referral from a member in good standing.
IF ANY GOON INVITES YOU TO JOIN IT'S A SCAM. (Aside from the aforementioned channel.)
I think CCP technicians whose specific duties require them to be ingame should have their activities restricted so as not to be in a competitive position with their customers. They, of course (and they've shown themselves as being intellectually challenged) think they can be just like their customers and there's no conflict of interests, appearance of impropriety and other such minefields sane and rational corporations attempt to keep well in hand - even if they have to lie about it.
To associate themselves with some of the yahoos EVE fosters won't bode well should anything else arise that is a blatant violation of the laws of several countries (and states - including The Great State of Georgia) in the eyes of their Sony buddies with the Playstation nexus and the Dustbin - all a debacle waiting to happen. I follow with great interest and amusement. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:43:00 -
[54] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote: To be in Something Awful you have to have a referral from a member in good standing.
that's wrong |
TRUE ZER0
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:54:00 -
[55] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:Serene Repose wrote: To be in Something Awful you have to have a referral from a member in good standing.
that's wrong
Alll you need is $10 In before lock. |
Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
116
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:57:00 -
[56] - Quote
We need an internal affairs investigation into Dev Goons, some heads must roll. |
Tillin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:06:00 -
[57] - Quote
In all honesty we don't have any Dev help we're just better at Eve than all of you.
Which is odd, because we're really bad at Eve. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
532
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:07:00 -
[58] - Quote
Zelda Wei wrote:We need an internal affairs investigation into Dev Goons, some heads must roll. Press the button, then. Unless you think you're wrong. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1802
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:08:00 -
[59] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Take this: Alavaria Fera wrote:Weaselior wrote:like really that's your big evidence for massive ccp corruption, the motd in the recruitment channel was changed I think someone didn't pass the goonwaffe recruitment requirements. Or was a spy... With this: Karadion Kohlar wrote:Scamming is one of the methods for extracting your tears that greases the engine of the GoonSwarm Federation. Goons don't recruit from the player base. You have to be a member of their "other" group - Something Awful, to be considered for Goon membership. To be in Something Awful you have to have a referral from a member in good standing. IF ANY GOON INVITES YOU TO JOIN IT'S A SCAM. (Aside from the aforementioned channel.) I think CCP technicians whose specific duties require them to be ingame should have their activities restricted so as not to be in a competitive position with their customers. They, of course (and they've shown themselves as being intellectually challenged) think they can be just like their customers and there's no conflict of interests, appearance of impropriety and other such minefields sane and rational corporations attempt to keep well in hand - even if they have to lie about it. To associate themselves with some of the yahoos EVE fosters won't bode well should anything else arise that is a blatant violation of the laws of several countries (and states - including The Great State of Georgia) in the eyes of their Sony buddies with the Playstation nexus and the Dustbin - all a debacle waiting to happen. I follow with great interest and amusement. CCP employees are not allowed to be in positions of power within any in game player organization.
What you are inferring with your comments concerning illegal activities is called "conflict of interest", which is not applicable in this situation. It is very much in CCP's interest, and the interest of the player base, for the Devs to be actively involved with their product. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
FeralShadow
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
109
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:15:00 -
[60] - Quote
Anybody else find it funny that highsec supposedly has the highest number of people in the game by over 70% and yet they can't scrape enough together to fight goonswarm? I do. "I do believe in karma. -áThat means that whenever I do something sh**y to others, they somehow deserved it." |
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
536
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:16:00 -
[61] - Quote
FeralShadow wrote:Anybody else find it funny that highsec supposedly has the highest number of people in the game by over 70% and yet they can't scrape enough together to fight goonswarm? I do. Shhhh! Yes they can! YES THEY CAN! ;)
(They have to go through where I live to get there so shut up already!) He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
617
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:19:00 -
[62] - Quote
Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:rantings Thank God - it's another "I hate Goons" thread. I haven't seen one of these in, oh, 5 minutes at the very least. tl;dr version of the OP: I'm off my meds, the paranoid schizophrenia is really kicking in, and I have recently come to the conclusion that all the world's ills can be traced back to Goons. They barbecue unicorns and **** on rainbows. Unicorns? Wow. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1804
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:21:00 -
[63] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:rantings Thank God - it's another "I hate Goons" thread. I haven't seen one of these in, oh, 5 minutes at the very least. tl;dr version of the OP: I'm off my meds, the paranoid schizophrenia is really kicking in, and I have recently come to the conclusion that all the world's ills can be traced back to Goons. They barbecue unicorns and **** on rainbows. Unicorns? Wow.
Well, Unicorns are attracted to virgins. So if anyone would have the opportunity.... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Pres Crendraven
16
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:29:00 -
[64] - Quote
Zelda Wei wrote:We need an internal affairs investigation into Dev Goons, some heads must roll.
yes, Goo must be shed.
La Guillotine, La Guillotine!!
Meta34me
Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
418
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:31:00 -
[65] - Quote
Pres Crendraven wrote:Zelda Wei wrote:We need an internal affairs investigation into Dev Goons, some heads must roll. yes, Goo must be shed. La Guillotine, La Guillotine!!
And after the glorious revolution the goons will have every last CCP employee working for them Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
246
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:33:00 -
[66] - Quote
FeralShadow wrote:Anybody else find it funny that highsec supposedly has the highest number of people in the game by over 70% and yet they can't scrape enough together to fight goonswarm? I do.
I think the Goonie's would actually have to effect high-sec before they would respond. As you say 70 %.
So .7 * 300,000 = 210,000 Player in High-sec And just 10 % of that is 21,000 Players. Something tells me that a lot of high-sec players don't even know the Goonie's exist except in rumor.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
617
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:34:00 -
[67] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:rantings Thank God - it's another "I hate Goons" thread. I haven't seen one of these in, oh, 5 minutes at the very least. tl;dr version of the OP: I'm off my meds, the paranoid schizophrenia is really kicking in, and I have recently come to the conclusion that all the world's ills can be traced back to Goons. They barbecue unicorns and **** on rainbows. Unicorns? Wow. Well, Unicorns are attracted to virgins. So if anyone would have the opportunity.... They BBQ unicorns AND virgins? That would be murder though. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Elara Zetoya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
3
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:35:00 -
[68] - Quote
FeralShadow wrote:Anybody else find it funny that highsec supposedly has the highest number of people in the game by over 70% and yet they can't scrape enough together to fight goonswarm? I do. Fear the mighty PvE Raven, Exhumer and T1 cruiser fleet. With freighters to serve as flying soup kitchens. Or battering rams. Or something. "The problem with the gene pool is that there's no life guard." ~ Steve Wright |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1804
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:41:00 -
[69] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:rantings Thank God - it's another "I hate Goons" thread. I haven't seen one of these in, oh, 5 minutes at the very least. tl;dr version of the OP: I'm off my meds, the paranoid schizophrenia is really kicking in, and I have recently come to the conclusion that all the world's ills can be traced back to Goons. They barbecue unicorns and **** on rainbows. Unicorns? Wow. Well, Unicorns are attracted to virgins. So if anyone would have the opportunity.... They BBQ unicorns AND virgins? That would be murder though.
In that case it would be a mercy killing, though still in very bad taste... I'm assuming that's how barbecue became involved. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
1072
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:46:00 -
[70] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote: it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire
It's a sandbox. Learn to understand that some people have a bigger shovel than you. The Drake is a Lie |
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
414
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:57:00 -
[71] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote: it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase.
Wasn't that the whole point with EVE to begin with?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
617
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:58:00 -
[72] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote: it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase.
Wasn't that the whole point with EVE to begin with? Not to a carebear. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1804
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:02:00 -
[73] - Quote
Wait a minute!
This is all starting to make sense to me.
So what the OP is trying to get at is that the Goons Cult have formed a fake gaming company named Crowd Control Productions for the sole purpose of luring virgins (and possibly Unicorns) to Fanfest for ritual sacrifice to their dark god via barbecue over Icelandic volcano's.
The unrestrained ganks, CCP playing their own game, Iceland, Unicorns, volcano's, Fanfest... it all makes sense now.
Thank you OP, it's like someone turned on the lights.
Mind... Blown... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
246
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:02:00 -
[74] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Not to a carebear.
Where is that thread by the way ? I am still trying to find the one with all the miner tears we where promised. I see allot of trolling but no actual tears. |
Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:28:00 -
[75] - Quote
I usually get a laugh out of the goons. But if they are trolling the in game recruitment channel to scam, they are getting truly useless.
And, if at the time, the MOTD stated no scamming, then CCP should take action. Problem is everyone think's that CCP are goon puppets, but truly it is the reverse. But to make their puppets useful, they have to give a few concessions.
Goons, Go make yourself useful, go attack someone who will fight back.
Allocate resources to FiS |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3688
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:36:00 -
[76] - Quote
As many CCP employees as possible should play EVE. Ideally all of them would get in at least 6-8 hours a week. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1805
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:48:00 -
[77] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:As many CCP employees as possible should play EVE. Ideally all of them would get in at least 6-8 hours a week. Instead of having corporate retreats as other companies do, they could have corporate roaming gangs as a team building excercise. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
145
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:50:00 -
[78] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons. For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED. The player appealed, including the fact that the channel prohibits use of the channel for such things, and his loss of ISK but was flatly denied. Ironically, the MOTD changed the very next day and was sans the scam prohibition, only now WARNING against scams. CCP continued to LIE and claim that the MOTD had changed a month before the incident, which is still a complete LIE. Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase. This incident, in addition to anti-playerbase events such as 'Burn Jita' (trit was less after then it was before.. LOL!!), the sponsorship and basically now ownership of Hulkageddon, the custody of virtually every tech moon, every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group, a flaky 30-day suspension for virtually laughing away a human being's life, joke or not.... and so on and so forth. I had come to my own personal conclusion that CCP and Goons have a deep, close relationship. Was I crazy or just looking for an answer that I could live with? Come to find out, one of CCP's most active and out front employees representing EvE, CCP Soundwave, was a Goon director, even presenting for the alliance at FanFest : See it here. Ya like that little sickness you are feeling knowing that their frontman is a f*cking Goon at heart? Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game. There is just too much B*LLSHIT Goons get away with that would not be tolerated by any other group not friendly to them. I have to believe that there are countless more CCP employees in Goon corps and blues. These close relationships create a most unfair and unbalanced situation. Knowing beforehand changes that players are not aware of, being able to reposition and strategize before the rest of the playerbase is aware is absolutely UNETHICAL
given that theyve dont it before... T20 was in a corp called Band of Brothers and he used his dev powers to spawn them T2 BPOS
Yeah ppl would much rather we forget about that of course
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
134
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:51:00 -
[79] - Quote
Calfis wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote: Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase.
Dude, its a sandbox, don't build sandcastles if you can't keep the kid with ass-burgers from tripping and falling on it.
How is it a sandbox?
The Goons are so annoying and thieving with "required PVP" that people are willing to make half or a third as much ISK per hour simply to avoid joining them or some other disgusting null alliance.
The CCP solution to that is to nerf EVERYTHING but PC Alliance Null.
They are even nerfing non-PC Alliance Null... like the Drone Regions... to force people to deal with the disgusting Null Alliances.
The Null Alliances suck so bad making twice as much ISK in their territory while being totally safe is insufficient reason for people to deal with them.
The CCP solution is to make people deal with them.
That is sandbox HOW tard? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1805
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:52:00 -
[80] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons. For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED. The player appealed, including the fact that the channel prohibits use of the channel for such things, and his loss of ISK but was flatly denied. Ironically, the MOTD changed the very next day and was sans the scam prohibition, only now WARNING against scams. CCP continued to LIE and claim that the MOTD had changed a month before the incident, which is still a complete LIE. Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase. This incident, in addition to anti-playerbase events such as 'Burn Jita' (trit was less after then it was before.. LOL!!), the sponsorship and basically now ownership of Hulkageddon, the custody of virtually every tech moon, every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group, a flaky 30-day suspension for virtually laughing away a human being's life, joke or not.... and so on and so forth. I had come to my own personal conclusion that CCP and Goons have a deep, close relationship. Was I crazy or just looking for an answer that I could live with? Come to find out, one of CCP's most active and out front employees representing EvE, CCP Soundwave, was a Goon director, even presenting for the alliance at FanFest : See it here. Ya like that little sickness you are feeling knowing that their frontman is a f*cking Goon at heart? Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game. There is just too much B*LLSHIT Goons get away with that would not be tolerated by any other group not friendly to them. I have to believe that there are countless more CCP employees in Goon corps and blues. These close relationships create a most unfair and unbalanced situation. Knowing beforehand changes that players are not aware of, being able to reposition and strategize before the rest of the playerbase is aware is absolutely UNETHICAL given that theyve dont it before... T20 was in a corp called Band of Brothers and he used his dev powers to spawn them T2 BPOS Yeah ppl would much rather we forget about that of course
No, actually we don't.
From that incident we got the CSM and the Internal Affairs dept. at CCP, both of which we are far better off with than we were before. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
134
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:54:00 -
[81] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:As many CCP employees as possible should play EVE. Ideally all of them would get in at least 6-8 hours a week.
Only if they play as a NORMAL PLAYER not as a "I'M CCP SO SUCK UP TO ME" special favored little princess. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
145
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:54:00 -
[82] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons. For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED. The player appealed, including the fact that the channel prohibits use of the channel for such things, and his loss of ISK but was flatly denied. Ironically, the MOTD changed the very next day and was sans the scam prohibition, only now WARNING against scams. CCP continued to LIE and claim that the MOTD had changed a month before the incident, which is still a complete LIE. Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase. This incident, in addition to anti-playerbase events such as 'Burn Jita' (trit was less after then it was before.. LOL!!), the sponsorship and basically now ownership of Hulkageddon, the custody of virtually every tech moon, every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group, a flaky 30-day suspension for virtually laughing away a human being's life, joke or not.... and so on and so forth. I had come to my own personal conclusion that CCP and Goons have a deep, close relationship. Was I crazy or just looking for an answer that I could live with? Come to find out, one of CCP's most active and out front employees representing EvE, CCP Soundwave, was a Goon director, even presenting for the alliance at FanFest : See it here. Ya like that little sickness you are feeling knowing that their frontman is a f*cking Goon at heart? Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game. There is just too much B*LLSHIT Goons get away with that would not be tolerated by any other group not friendly to them. I have to believe that there are countless more CCP employees in Goon corps and blues. These close relationships create a most unfair and unbalanced situation. Knowing beforehand changes that players are not aware of, being able to reposition and strategize before the rest of the playerbase is aware is absolutely UNETHICAL given that theyve dont it before... T20 was in a corp called Band of Brothers and he used his dev powers to spawn them T2 BPOS Yeah ppl would much rather we forget about that of course No, actually we don't. From that incident we got the CSM and the Internal Affairs dept. at CCP, both of which we are far better off with than we were before.
Yeah the vaunted CSM whose original charter was to go to Iceland and play watchdog to make sure theyre not still cheating. Who have become (if we believe what they claim after the fact) the ones that give CCP THEIR marching orders except for the decisions they CUT the CSM out of entirely
silens vesica wrote:tl;dr Quote:CCP employees must be removed from the game. Why? 'Cause tin foil is starting to get a bit dear? Or because you fail at EVE?
or because they feel cheating in their own game IS NOT a firable offense
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
246
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:56:00 -
[83] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Malcanis wrote:As many CCP employees as possible should play EVE. Ideally all of them would get in at least 6-8 hours a week. Instead of having corporate retreats as other companies do, they could have corporate roaming gangs as a team building excercise.
Now that is my idea of an event.
Rules have to have rules.
NO GM POWERS. You can give yourselves ANY ship, mod, fitting or implant currently available to the players. In fact the more expensive the better. You have have to allow any player to attempt to kill you anywhere without them or you getting concorded. You can blow up anything in game of course. That is it I think
So when can we see the first of these incursions ?
To bad you don't have any Jove ships around that weren't overpowered. Would make for a very cool roaming attack. |
Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:57:00 -
[84] - Quote
you know what the best thing is? I can post here about me scamming people and you guys will still pay for my sub lmao
and my orca (thanks dude) also I am the owner of a new tengu now but I'm t1 fitting it |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
145
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:58:00 -
[85] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Calfis wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote: Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase.
Dude, its a sandbox, don't build sandcastles if you can't keep the kid with ass-burgers from tripping and falling on it.
Everyone that posts like thing along with what I would figure to be most of the Goons ARE "ass-burgers" sufferers Id be willing to bet. IE you doth protest too much bud
Meh thats OK, CCP will weed out the posting priveleges of anyone non goon soon enough. They can post and troll and break any rule here THEY WANT but WE get banned. Who'd put up with that long?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
62
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:00:00 -
[86] - Quote
Seems like the OP is confused, or mad, or both? |
Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:08:00 -
[87] - Quote
Love this community. I've been playing for long enough to have heard both sides of the debate.
It goes something like this ;) 1. waaah!... This game sux! Do the DEVs actual play this game because they should so they too can see the suckful features!! They should be forced to play the game!
2. waaah!... The devs are playing this game and could be cheating, influencing alliances, and generally behaving badly!! They should not be allowed to play!!
lol |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1805
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:24:00 -
[88] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Malcanis wrote:As many CCP employees as possible should play EVE. Ideally all of them would get in at least 6-8 hours a week. Only if they play as a NORMAL PLAYER not as a "I'M CCP SO SUCK UP TO ME" special favored little princess.
Since CCP employee's can only have regular characters (unless using official, recognizable CCP accounts) and can not hold positions of power in any player organization, as well as being strictly monitored by IA, you have your wish. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Enuen Ravenseye
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
38
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:25:00 -
[89] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Wait a minute!
This is all starting to make sense to me.
So what the OP is trying to get at is that the Goons Cult have formed a fake gaming company named Crowd Control Productions for the sole purpose of luring virgins (and possibly Unicorns) to Fanfest for ritual sacrifice to their dark god via barbecue over Icelandic volcano's.
The unrestrained ganks, CCP playing their own game, Iceland, Unicorns, volcano's, Fanfest... it all makes sense now.
Thank you OP, it's like someone turned on the lights.
Mind... Blown...
You know too much. You'll have to be sacrificed along with the virgins and unicorns. I hope you like barbecue sauce. |
Wolf Kruol
Capsuleer Legions Of New Eden GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
13
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:30:00 -
[90] - Quote
CCP needs to be involve with this game. However they can't pick sides. They must stay neutral. But I'm seeing some members of CCP have chosen a side. This will cause problems down the road. Maybe small now.. but sooner or later the other side will get tired of CCP cheating.
The question is will ccp want another issue far worse than the last one they had? |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1805
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:31:00 -
[91] - Quote
Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Wait a minute!
This is all starting to make sense to me.
So what the OP is trying to get at is that the Goons Cult have formed a fake gaming company named Crowd Control Productions for the sole purpose of luring virgins (and possibly Unicorns) to Fanfest for ritual sacrifice to their dark god via barbecue over Icelandic volcano's.
The unrestrained ganks, CCP playing their own game, Iceland, Unicorns, volcano's, Fanfest... it all makes sense now.
Thank you OP, it's like someone turned on the lights.
Mind... Blown... You know too much. You'll have to be sacrificed along with the virgins and unicorns. I hope you like barbecue sauce.
I'M BEING REPRESSED!!! When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
618
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 21:32:00 -
[92] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Wait a minute!
This is all starting to make sense to me.
So what the OP is trying to get at is that the Goons Cult have formed a fake gaming company named Crowd Control Productions for the sole purpose of luring virgins (and possibly Unicorns) to Fanfest for ritual sacrifice to their dark god via barbecue over Icelandic volcano's.
The unrestrained ganks, CCP playing their own game, Iceland, Unicorns, volcano's, Fanfest... it all makes sense now.
Thank you OP, it's like someone turned on the lights.
Mind... Blown... You know too much. You'll have to be sacrificed along with the virgins and unicorns. I hope you like barbecue sauce. I'M BEING REPRESSED!!! Honey barbecue? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
871
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:35:00 -
[93] - Quote
npc corp posters seven years behind the times |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1805
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:35:00 -
[94] - Quote
Wolf Kruol wrote:CCP needs to be involve with this game. However they can't pick sides. They must stay neutral. But I'm seeing some members of CCP have chosen a side. This will cause problems down the road. Maybe small now.. but sooner or later the other side will get tired of CCP cheating. The question is will ccp want another issue far worse than the last one they had?
Would that be the side that got Tier 3 Battle Cruisers that are good at suicide ganks? Or the side that got insurance pay outs removed for Concord kills, and the Boomerang exploiit fixed?
Those crafty devils have chosen to take BOTH sides, which is like double the conspiracy.
Get a rope... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
56
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 21:37:00 -
[95] - Quote
That will never happen. So wait for Gw2 to be released and quit eve and never look back. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1806
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:39:00 -
[96] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Wait a minute!
This is all starting to make sense to me.
So what the OP is trying to get at is that the Goons Cult have formed a fake gaming company named Crowd Control Productions for the sole purpose of luring virgins (and possibly Unicorns) to Fanfest for ritual sacrifice to their dark god via barbecue over Icelandic volcano's.
The unrestrained ganks, CCP playing their own game, Iceland, Unicorns, volcano's, Fanfest... it all makes sense now.
Thank you OP, it's like someone turned on the lights.
Mind... Blown... You know too much. You'll have to be sacrificed along with the virgins and unicorns. I hope you like barbecue sauce. I'M BEING REPRESSED!!! Honey barbecue?
Oh.... okay then.
But it will have to wait until after the next Alliance Tournament.
There are some subliminal messages planned for the video broadcast that I don't want to miss. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
502
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:57:00 -
[97] - Quote
Look at this fluffed up high-sec pubbie thinking he has any relevance or say in any matters. We'll continue to keep CCP employees very comfortable during our little visits to Iceland, if you know what I mean. |
Goatfather
HOMELE55 Double Tap.
2
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:41:00 -
[98] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons. For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED. The player appealed, including the fact that the channel prohibits use of the channel for such things, and his loss of ISK but was flatly denied. Ironically, the MOTD changed the very next day and was sans the scam prohibition, only now WARNING against scams. CCP continued to LIE and claim that the MOTD had changed a month before the incident, which is still a complete LIE. Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase. This incident, in addition to anti-playerbase events such as 'Burn Jita' (trit was less after then it was before.. LOL!!), the sponsorship and basically now ownership of Hulkageddon, the custody of virtually every tech moon, every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group, a flaky 30-day suspension for virtually laughing away a human being's life, joke or not.... and so on and so forth. I had come to my own personal conclusion that CCP and Goons have a deep, close relationship. Was I crazy or just looking for an answer that I could live with? Come to find out, one of CCP's most active and out front employees representing EvE, CCP Soundwave, was a Goon director, even presenting for the alliance at FanFest : See it here. Ya like that little sickness you are feeling knowing that their frontman is a f*cking Goon at heart? Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game. There is just too much B*LLSHIT Goons get away with that would not be tolerated by any other group not friendly to them. I have to believe that there are countless more CCP employees in Goon corps and blues. These close relationships create a most unfair and unbalanced situation. Knowing beforehand changes that players are not aware of, being able to reposition and strategize before the rest of the playerbase is aware is absolutely UNETHICAL
Good to know. Thanks for taking the time to post.
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Pres Crendraven
16
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:49:00 -
[99] - Quote
CCP suck so bad we should Burn Jita Meta34me
Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.05.07 23:04:00 -
[100] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:npc corp posters seven years behind the times
You actually dare say that in that...that Medieval sack ? Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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Brock Khan
Sleepless Academy Imperium Honorius
28
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Posted - 2012.05.07 23:11:00 -
[101] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons. For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED. The player appealed, including the fact that the channel prohibits use of the channel for such things, and his loss of ISK but was flatly denied. Ironically, the MOTD changed the very next day and was sans the scam prohibition, only now WARNING against scams. CCP continued to LIE and claim that the MOTD had changed a month before the incident, which is still a complete LIE. Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase. This incident, in addition to anti-playerbase events such as 'Burn Jita' (trit was less after then it was before.. LOL!!), the sponsorship and basically now ownership of Hulkageddon, the custody of virtually every tech moon, every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group, a flaky 30-day suspension for virtually laughing away a human being's life, joke or not.... and so on and so forth. I had come to my own personal conclusion that CCP and Goons have a deep, close relationship. Was I crazy or just looking for an answer that I could live with? Come to find out, one of CCP's most active and out front employees representing EvE, CCP Soundwave, was a Goon director, even presenting for the alliance at FanFest : See it here. Ya like that little sickness you are feeling knowing that their frontman is a f*cking Goon at heart? Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game. There is just too much B*LLSHIT Goons get away with that would not be tolerated by any other group not friendly to them. I have to believe that there are countless more CCP employees in Goon corps and blues. These close relationships create a most unfair and unbalanced situation. Knowing beforehand changes that players are not aware of, being able to reposition and strategize before the rest of the playerbase is aware is absolutely UNETHICAL
I have been saying for years now on various chars. that ccp bieng involved in player corps is insider trading and should be stopped. As well as the CSM members should not be allowed to have back to back terms, and should not be allowed to have more then 2 terms in 5 years. this goes for known and unknown alts. In turn the alliance as a whole should not be allowed to keep "electing" members to the board. This would create a beeter chance for a "CSM OF YOUR PEERS". Long story short CCP as a Corp the Corp that makes the game Should not allow "Employees" to play or communicate any changes or suggested changes to the game ahead of the offical devnotes. With programs like TS3 Vent.. etc Email blah blah alliances like goons spreading the "info they get from things like the CSM are easy to spread. Since these guys have 6 months or so to prepare, its no wonder they are always ahead of the curve. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
400
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 23:28:00 -
[102] - Quote
Why do I feel like I've seen this thread before. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Bane Necran
471
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 23:29:00 -
[103] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Since CCP employee's can only have regular characters (unless using official, recognizable CCP accounts) and can not hold positions of power in any player organization, as well as being strictly monitored by IA, you have your wish.
It's not so much about them holding positions of power in 0.0 alliances, at least for me. The problem is, if they're only in 0.0 alliances, and hearing the opinions of 0.0 players, they end up being skewed in favor of them.
Time and time again we hear about dramatic changes coming to 0.0, which are backed out of, but dramatic changes are fairly common for hisec and lowsec. It certainly seems they're much more sensitive to the whines of 0.0 players than anyone else, and them being surrounded by 0.0 players would explain that.
What they should be doing is looking at the big picture, and doing what's best for the game in general. Not just trying to please their friends in 0.0. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
400
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 23:33:00 -
[104] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Since CCP employee's can only have regular characters (unless using official, recognizable CCP accounts) and can not hold positions of power in any player organization, as well as being strictly monitored by IA, you have your wish. It's not so much about them holding positions of power in 0.0 alliances, at least for me. The problem is, if they're only in 0.0 alliances, and hearing the opinions of 0.0 players, they end up being skewed in favor of them. Time and time again we hear about dramatic changes coming to 0.0, which are backed out of, but dramatic changes are fairly common for hisec and lowsec. It certainly seems they're much more sensitive to the whines of 0.0 players than anyone else, and them being surrounded by 0.0 players would explain that. What they should be doing is looking at the big picture, and doing what's best for the game in general. Not just trying to please their friends in 0.0.
Part of the strict monitoring by IA also means that they aren't allowed under any circumstances to reveal that they are CCP employees.
So what is really wrong with a developer being a part of a 0.0 alliance? There are devs that are also in NPC corps. There are devs that pirate in lowsec. I'd imagine that there is a dev for just about any playstyle in eve, apart from scamming. I don't think they are allowed to do that. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Shaampoo
Epidemic. F0RCEFUL ENTRY
18
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Posted - 2012.05.07 23:42:00 -
[105] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons. For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED. The player appealed, including the fact that the channel prohibits use of the channel for such things, and his loss of ISK but was flatly denied. Ironically, the MOTD changed the very next day and was sans the scam prohibition, only now WARNING against scams. CCP continued to LIE and claim that the MOTD had changed a month before the incident, which is still a complete LIE. Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase. This incident, in addition to anti-playerbase events such as 'Burn Jita' (trit was less after then it was before.. LOL!!), the sponsorship and basically now ownership of Hulkageddon, the custody of virtually every tech moon, every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group, a flaky 30-day suspension for virtually laughing away a human being's life, joke or not.... and so on and so forth. I had come to my own personal conclusion that CCP and Goons have a deep, close relationship. Was I crazy or just looking for an answer that I could live with? Come to find out, one of CCP's most active and out front employees representing EvE, CCP Soundwave, was a Goon director, even presenting for the alliance at FanFest : See it here. Ya like that little sickness you are feeling knowing that their frontman is a f*cking Goon at heart? Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game. There is just too much B*LLSHIT Goons get away with that would not be tolerated by any other group not friendly to them. I have to believe that there are countless more CCP employees in Goon corps and blues. These close relationships create a most unfair and unbalanced situation. Knowing beforehand changes that players are not aware of, being able to reposition and strategize before the rest of the playerbase is aware is absolutely UNETHICAL My god the Circle jerk has come full cycle I think this is so fuuny.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
623
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Posted - 2012.05.07 23:49:00 -
[106] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote: bla.. bla.. bla..
I'd throw you in to a pond of hungry moray eels, like the ancient romans punished insolent slaves. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Sid Hudgens
Totally not an NPC Corp
74
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:14:00 -
[107] - Quote
How much are the goonies paying you for this publicity?
I really hope you're not giving them exactly what they want for free ... are you? "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:31:00 -
[108] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Since CCP employee's can only have regular characters (unless using official, recognizable CCP accounts) and can not hold positions of power in any player organization, as well as being strictly monitored by IA, you have your wish. It's not so much about them holding positions of power in 0.0 alliances, at least for me. The problem is, if they're only in 0.0 alliances, and hearing the opinions of 0.0 players, they end up being skewed in favor of them. Time and time again we hear about dramatic changes coming to 0.0, which are backed out of, but dramatic changes are fairly common for hisec and lowsec. It certainly seems they're much more sensitive to the whines of 0.0 players than anyone else, and them being surrounded by 0.0 players would explain that. What they should be doing is looking at the big picture, and doing what's best for the game in general. Not just trying to please their friends in 0.0. Part of the strict monitoring by IA also means that they aren't allowed under any circumstances to reveal that they are CCP employees. So what is really wrong with a developer being a part of a 0.0 alliance? There are devs that are also in NPC corps. There are devs that pirate in lowsec. I'd imagine that there is a dev for just about any playstyle in eve, apart from scamming. I don't think they are allowed to do that.
When you get to a certain age, you have heard enough people say bald-faced stupid lies to your face, that it really loses it's ability to shock.
Though the above one still is a whopper. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:32:00 -
[109] - Quote
Sid Hudgens wrote:How much are the goonies paying you for this publicity?
I really hope you're not giving them exactly what they want for free ... are you?
Lookie lookie, it's the Goon explaining how they actually want people to know how they and CCP are BFF.
So we should really stop saying they are BFF.
Ah, no. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:34:00 -
[110] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote: bla.. bla.. bla..
I'd throw you in to a pond of hungry moray eels, like the ancient romans punished insolent slaves.
Ah, the Roman Republic had a "kill you" policy for corruption.
You were referring to the decadent Roman Empire though?
Yes, I imagine the Goons would fit in well in the Roman Empire. As slaves and hirelings. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
280
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:41:00 -
[111] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Alpheias wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote: bla.. bla.. bla..
I'd throw you in to a pond of hungry moray eels, like the ancient romans punished insolent slaves. Ah, the Roman Republic had a "kill you" policy for corruption. You were referring to the decadent Roman Empire though? Yes, I imagine the Goons would fit in well in the Roman Empire. As slaves and hirelings.
Considering the history and reputation of the Roman Empire, if Eve was the Roman empire, GSF would be at the top of the food chain and feeding the rest of us to the lions. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:46:00 -
[112] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons. For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED. The player appealed, including the fact that the channel prohibits use of the channel for such things, and his loss of ISK but was flatly denied. Ironically, the MOTD changed the very next day and was sans the scam prohibition, only now WARNING against scams. CCP continued to LIE and claim that the MOTD had changed a month before the incident, which is still a complete LIE. Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase. This incident, in addition to anti-playerbase events such as 'Burn Jita' (trit was less after then it was before.. LOL!!), the sponsorship and basically now ownership of Hulkageddon, the custody of virtually every tech moon, every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group, a flaky 30-day suspension for virtually laughing away a human being's life, joke or not.... and so on and so forth. I had come to my own personal conclusion that CCP and Goons have a deep, close relationship. Was I crazy or just looking for an answer that I could live with? Come to find out, one of CCP's most active and out front employees representing EvE, CCP Soundwave, was a Goon director, even presenting for the alliance at FanFest : See it here. Ya like that little sickness you are feeling knowing that their frontman is a f*cking Goon at heart? Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game. There is just too much B*LLSHIT Goons get away with that would not be tolerated by any other group not friendly to them. I have to believe that there are countless more CCP employees in Goon corps and blues. These close relationships create a most unfair and unbalanced situation. Knowing beforehand changes that players are not aware of, being able to reposition and strategize before the rest of the playerbase is aware is absolutely UNETHICAL
The more shiptoasting I see from morons like this about how much they hate Goons, the more I appreciate them
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:49:00 -
[113] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Alpheias wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote: bla.. bla.. bla..
I'd throw you in to a pond of hungry moray eels, like the ancient romans punished insolent slaves. Ah, the Roman Republic had a "kill you" policy for corruption. You were referring to the decadent Roman Empire though? Yes, I imagine the Goons would fit in well in the Roman Empire. As slaves and hirelings. Considering the history and reputation of the Roman Empire, if Eve was the Roman empire, GSF would be at the top of the food chain and feeding the rest of us to the lions.
Sucking up, willingness to say anything, and extreme cowardice are useful for surviving as a slave and cheering wildly when their owners kill some Christians.
Not so good at being in charge. Especially back then. |
Patrick Estemaire
EVE University Ivy League
11
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:49:00 -
[114] - Quote
The OP and many others are suffering from a very common gaming phenomenon where their paranoia that the developers are 'cheating' combines with disdain of those that seem to be 'winning' to create the delusion that the 'winners' and developers must be working together to keep everyone else down.
This is not healthy. You're taking things too seriously. There is no conspiracy. Remember to have fun.
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:50:00 -
[115] - Quote
Patrick Estemaire wrote:The OP and many others are suffering from a very common gaming phenomenon where their paranoia that the developers are 'cheating' combines with disdain of those that seem to be 'winning' to create the delusion that the 'winners' and developers must be working together to keep everyone else down.
This is not healthy. You're taking things too seriously. There is no conspiracy. Remember to have fun.
Nerf drone regions. Leave tech moons alone.
Are you high? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
620
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:50:00 -
[116] - Quote
Patrick Estemaire wrote:The OP and many others are suffering from a very common gaming phenomenon where their paranoia that the developers are 'cheating' combines with disdain of those that seem to be 'winning' to create the delusion that the 'winners' and developers must be working together to keep everyone else down.
This is not healthy. You're taking things too seriously. There is no conspiracy. Remember to have fun. No.
Being a dev will apparently now a bannable exploit if they have their way.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
417
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:51:00 -
[117] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:UNETHICAL You wouldn't know unethical if it came up and bit you on the arse...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:56:00 -
[118] - Quote
This thread is full of words, but alas, no content.
The game is full of rules, play the game, do something about it in game.
"Save Jita", as others did. Learn to make the best of things instead of whinning and moaning.
If we have anything at all in game its because we are playing the game the way its ment to be played, within the rules set.
HTFU ;) ~ 10.058 ~
Free The Mittani |
Jonah Gravenstein
280
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:01:00 -
[119] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Sucking up, willingness to say anything, and extreme cowardice are useful for surviving as a slave and cheering wildly when their owners kill some Christians.
Not so good at being in charge. Especially back then.
Most empires are built on slaves and/or military might, you only have to look at the last 1500 years of history, the other thing they all have in common is that they collapse eventually.
Anyways, CCP Devs should not be removed from the game, if they're unfamiliar with the game we can't rely on them to improve upon it. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
621
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:04:00 -
[120] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Anyways, CCP Devs should not be removed from the game, if they're unfamiliar with the game we can't rely on them to improve upon it. Maybe that was the point?
So there are more mistakes to exploit, and so on, hm.. very clever OP. Titans will be rare ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Jonah Gravenstein
281
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:07:00 -
[121] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Maybe that was the point?
So there are more mistakes to exploit, and so on, hm.. very clever OP. Titans will be rare !
meh too damn subtle for me, especially at early'o'clock in the morning.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Styx Cyc
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:08:00 -
[122] - Quote
At this point you'd think people would have learned that when you talk with someone from 4chanSwarm, you always have to assume they are going to try and scam you. Always.
If you still give them money, its your damn fault.
And it is no secret CCP's love for the largests alliances, you'd think they would have learned from the whole t20 debacle. But hey, if they want to get burned again, let them. |
Sid Hudgens
Totally not an NPC Corp
78
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:14:00 -
[123] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote: ... it's the Goon ...
Hey! Just a minute, you! DemGÇÖs fightinGÇÖ woids!
I darest ya to step across dis line.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
145
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:16:00 -
[124] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Malcanis wrote:As many CCP employees as possible should play EVE. Ideally all of them would get in at least 6-8 hours a week. Only if they play as a NORMAL PLAYER not as a "I'M CCP SO SUCK UP TO ME" special favored little princess. Since CCP employee's can only have regular characters (unless using official, recognizable CCP accounts) and can not hold positions of power in any player organization, as well as being strictly monitored by IA, you have your wish.
Oh you mean other than the fact that the guy overseeing them is a Goon. Yeah I trust that
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
145
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:18:00 -
[125] - Quote
Minabunny wrote:That will never happen. So wait for Gw2 to be released and quit eve and never look back.
I advocate this actually. Voet with your wallet. We saw it this summer. THATS what CCP watches
What we do not what we say
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
402
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:24:00 -
[126] - Quote
Goons have cooties. Your friend deserves his spaceherpies for not using protection when touching anything that comes out of a goons mouth. Or from goon fingers.
I giggle like a mongoloid midget with a case of the hooker tickles when I see PvP alliances that have built their wealth on PvE endeavors complain about carebears. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
145
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:26:00 -
[127] - Quote
Brock Khan wrote:
I have been saying for years now on various chars. that ccp bieng involved in player corps is insider trading and should be stopped. As well as the CSM members should not be allowed to have back to back terms, and should not be allowed to have more then 2 terms in 5 years. this goes for known and unknown alts. In turn the alliance as a whole should not be allowed to keep "electing" members to the board. This would create a beeter chance for a "CSM OF YOUR PEERS". Long story short CCP as a Corp the Corp that makes the game Should not allow "Employees" to play or communicate any changes or suggested changes to the game ahead of the offical devnotes. With programs like TS3 Vent.. etc Email blah blah alliances like goons spreading the "info they get from things like the CSM are easy to spread. Since these guys have 6 months or so to prepare, its no wonder they are always ahead of the curve.
You will bow to your new Goon overlords cause next CSM theyll vote one Goon for each seat. BOHICA
Patrick Estemaire wrote:The OP and many others are suffering from a very common gaming phenomenon where their paranoia that the developers are 'cheating' combines with disdain of those that seem to be 'winning' to create the delusion that the 'winners' and developers must be working together to keep everyone else down.
This is not healthy. You're taking things too seriously. There is no conspiracy. Remember to have fun.
And T20 never happened. Move along, nothing to see here
Goons and BFFs keep posting, I must fill up my red bars
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
623
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:32:00 -
[128] - Quote
Styx Cyc wrote: 4chanSwarm Oh now've you've gone and done it.
Aren't they XxPizzaxX or something?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
401
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:38:00 -
[129] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Malcanis wrote:As many CCP employees as possible should play EVE. Ideally all of them would get in at least 6-8 hours a week. Only if they play as a NORMAL PLAYER not as a "I'M CCP SO SUCK UP TO ME" special favored little princess. Since CCP employee's can only have regular characters (unless using official, recognizable CCP accounts) and can not hold positions of power in any player organization, as well as being strictly monitored by IA, you have your wish. Oh you mean other than the fact that the guy overseeing them is a Goon. Yeah I trust that
I guess you can never, ever trust a Goon, even if that individual has given you no reason to not trust them, even if their job security rests on them being trustworthy, huh? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.05.08 02:07:00 -
[130] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Since CCP employee's can only have regular characters (unless using official, recognizable CCP accounts) and can not hold positions of power in any player organization, as well as being strictly monitored by IA, you have your wish. It's not so much about them holding positions of power in 0.0 alliances, at least for me. The problem is, if they're only in 0.0 alliances, and hearing the opinions of 0.0 players, they end up being skewed in favor of them. Time and time again we hear about dramatic changes coming to 0.0, which are backed out of, but dramatic changes are fairly common for hisec and lowsec. It certainly seems they're much more sensitive to the whines of 0.0 players than anyone else, and them being surrounded by 0.0 players would explain that. What they should be doing is looking at the big picture, and doing what's best for the game in general. Not just trying to please their friends in 0.0. Part of the strict monitoring by IA also means that they aren't allowed under any circumstances to reveal that they are CCP employees. So what is really wrong with a developer being a part of a 0.0 alliance? There are devs that are also in NPC corps. There are devs that pirate in lowsec. I'd imagine that there is a dev for just about any playstyle in eve, apart from scamming. I don't think they are allowed to do that. When you get to a certain age, you have heard enough people say bald-faced stupid lies to your face, that it really loses it's ability to shock. Though the above one still is a whopper.
whatexactly is the lie? There is a million spies in gsf, you really think if there we're known devs in our alliance it wouldn't be announced everywhere? You people really love making stuff up without any proof whatsoever.
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Pres Crendraven
16
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Posted - 2012.05.08 02:22:00 -
[131] - Quote
This thread is not goon friendly, it should be locked
Meta34me
Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
624
|
Posted - 2012.05.08 02:30:00 -
[132] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Malcanis wrote:As many CCP employees as possible should play EVE. Ideally all of them would get in at least 6-8 hours a week. Only if they play as a NORMAL PLAYER not as a "I'M CCP SO SUCK UP TO ME" special favored little princess. Since CCP employee's can only have regular characters (unless using official, recognizable CCP accounts) and can not hold positions of power in any player organization, as well as being strictly monitored by IA, you have your wish. Oh you mean other than the fact that the guy overseeing them is a Goon. Yeah I trust that I guess you can never, ever trust a Goon, even if that individual has given you no reason to not trust them, even if their job security rests on them being trustworthy, huh? You have failed the Emperor! (of space)
:commissar: Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Hroya
40
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Posted - 2012.05.08 02:57:00 -
[133] - Quote
Devs not playing their own game would be the death of the game for sure.
As for Soundwave, he was/is a Goon. So ? Goons have shown through knowledge and organisation that those are good ingredients to be successfull in (any) this game. A CCP employee being derived from their ranks should be no suprise as CCP has done so from various entities throughout it's lifespan. CCP has shown that it appreciates knowledgeable players with best intentions for the game in order to preserve continuation.
The tricky part for such an employee however is that any and all changes he/she would support that would benefit his/her previous affiliation can and will be seen as favoritism. It doesnt matter if the employee was a Goon or PL or BoB etc member. There will allways be people grabbing torches and pitchforks.
Sadly a fundemental flaw in eve is the accessabillity and easy mode of Empire space combined with alt play. Recent proposed changes are miles away from solving anything substantial as they only move in one direction.
There are numerous things that should be adressed to really get the game going, alas most of the idea's put into play only provided boomstick propaganda and a short burst of "Hell yeah!". Those tend to lose it's appeal quite fast and offer no long term benefit.
It's add hoc patch and fix, no matter how shiny you wrap the ingredients.
But without devs playing their game, there wouldnt be any at all and eve would have died years ago. You go your corridor but. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
453
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:01:00 -
[134] - Quote
Oh hey look, it's that time of the month for this thread again! Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
WIdot Director of Quality Control and Ironically Signing My Title to Posts To Make People ~mad~ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6470
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:08:00 -
[135] - Quote
Lykouleon wrote:Oh hey look, it's that time of the month-áday hour for this thread again! There you go.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
404
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:20:00 -
[136] - Quote
This is wonderful. Without GS there would be no activity in EVE. Ferox #1 |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
137
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:28:00 -
[137] - Quote
Kietay Ayari wrote:This is wonderful. Without GS there would be no activity in EVE.
Oh look, right out of 1984.
Boring. But annoying to. |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
404
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:42:00 -
[138] - Quote
I do not catch the 1984 reference :[ Ferox #1 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
624
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:49:00 -
[139] - Quote
Hroya wrote:The tricky part for such an employee however is that any and all changes he/she would support that would benefit his/her previous affiliation can and will be seen as favoritism. It doesnt matter if the employee was a Goon or PL or BoB etc member. There will allways be people grabbing torches and pitchforks. Honestly, given the way people perceive things (based on a sampling of EVE-O forums) I don't think they would mind if if an IT alliance or NC. group was getting, uh "help".
But clearly just buffing their titans wouldn't help, since the CFC is starting to wave titans about too... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4146
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:44:00 -
[140] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Nerf drone regions. Leave tech moons alone.
Are you high?
Why would you think that we are against a tech nerf? We're all for it, as long as it is done properly and not some half-baked solution like making Neodymium the new bottleneck or the dumb pubbie nonsense that has been suggested like adding tech moons to hisec "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4146
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:44:00 -
[141] - Quote
also if you want the recruitment channel policy changed back you only have to present a well-constructed argument like I did here: http://eve-search.com/thread/73482-1
this may be a bit of a stretch for somebody who lacks the ability to do so, however "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Strelsky
No. 310 Construction Squadron Soldiers Of New Eve
1
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:49:00 -
[142] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:...
Just file a petition, rant about it on forum, but for the love of god do not suggest CCP employees stop playing their own game. That couldn't end well.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.05.08 05:39:00 -
[143] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:This is wonderful. Without GS there would be no activity in EVE. Oh look, right out of 1984. Boring. But annoying to.
lol 13 red bars around your post... the GS propaganda machine is warming up I see
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
403
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Posted - 2012.05.08 05:51:00 -
[144] - Quote
What was the main complaint in this thread? I think everyone has forgotten. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:06:00 -
[145] - Quote
Zelda Wei wrote:We need an internal affairs investigation into Dev Goons, some heads must roll.
Well, you know what the email address is. Put your money where your mouth is and send in an email. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:09:00 -
[146] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Patrick Estemaire wrote:The OP and many others are suffering from a very common gaming phenomenon where their paranoia that the developers are 'cheating' combines with disdain of those that seem to be 'winning' to create the delusion that the 'winners' and developers must be working together to keep everyone else down.
This is not healthy. You're taking things too seriously. There is no conspiracy. Remember to have fun.
Nerf drone regions. Leave tech moons alone. Are you high?
That's funny, GSF has been lobbying (through our CSM reps) to have tech nerfed since it was first changed. (Because it was a badly implemented change to begin with).
What have you done to get tech fixed? |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:10:00 -
[147] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Malcanis wrote:As many CCP employees as possible should play EVE. Ideally all of them would get in at least 6-8 hours a week. Only if they play as a NORMAL PLAYER not as a "I'M CCP SO SUCK UP TO ME" special favored little princess. Since CCP employee's can only have regular characters (unless using official, recognizable CCP accounts) and can not hold positions of power in any player organization, as well as being strictly monitored by IA, you have your wish. Oh you mean other than the fact that the guy overseeing them is a Goon. Yeah I trust that
Literally costs '10 bucks' to become a goon.
We're not the exclusive club you seem to think we are. |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
34
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:16:00 -
[148] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons.
For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED.
Aaaand I stopped reading/caring.
Spamming/Scamming is the name of the game in that channel. At a certain point in the night the spamming stops because of all the convesations that take place (and make fun of anyone advertising).
and seriously, you hadn't heard about the Goon Recruitment thing?
There are no scams in EVE. just tests that you either pass or fail, depending on your stupidity/knowledge of mechanics. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
404
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:19:00 -
[149] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Since CCP employee's can only have regular characters (unless using official, recognizable CCP accounts) and can not hold positions of power in any player organization, as well as being strictly monitored by IA, you have your wish. It's not so much about them holding positions of power in 0.0 alliances, at least for me. The problem is, if they're only in 0.0 alliances, and hearing the opinions of 0.0 players, they end up being skewed in favor of them. Time and time again we hear about dramatic changes coming to 0.0, which are backed out of, but dramatic changes are fairly common for hisec and lowsec. It certainly seems they're much more sensitive to the whines of 0.0 players than anyone else, and them being surrounded by 0.0 players would explain that. What they should be doing is looking at the big picture, and doing what's best for the game in general. Not just trying to please their friends in 0.0. Part of the strict monitoring by IA also means that they aren't allowed under any circumstances to reveal that they are CCP employees. So what is really wrong with a developer being a part of a 0.0 alliance? There are devs that are also in NPC corps. There are devs that pirate in lowsec. I'd imagine that there is a dev for just about any playstyle in eve, apart from scamming. I don't think they are allowed to do that. When you get to a certain age, you have heard enough people say bald-faced stupid lies to your face, that it really loses it's ability to shock. Though the above one still is a whopper.
Please explain to me, in simple terms because I am a stupid Goonie, how I lied in my post. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
404
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:20:00 -
[150] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Malcanis wrote:As many CCP employees as possible should play EVE. Ideally all of them would get in at least 6-8 hours a week. Only if they play as a NORMAL PLAYER not as a "I'M CCP SO SUCK UP TO ME" special favored little princess. Since CCP employee's can only have regular characters (unless using official, recognizable CCP accounts) and can not hold positions of power in any player organization, as well as being strictly monitored by IA, you have your wish. Oh you mean other than the fact that the guy overseeing them is a Goon. Yeah I trust that Literally costs '10 bucks' to become a goon. We're not the exclusive club you seem to think we are.
10 bucks and some time spent posting. Just look at all the J4G threads that keep getting made in GBS. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:36:00 -
[151] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:10 bucks and some time spent posting. Just look at all the J4G threads that keep getting made in GBS.
The time spent posting is only if you want to join Goonswarm. There are hundreds of thousands of goons who don't even play eve. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
404
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:46:00 -
[152] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:10 bucks and some time spent posting. Just look at all the J4G threads that keep getting made in GBS. The time spent posting is only if you want to join Goonswarm. There are hundreds of thousands of goons who don't even play eve.
Who would want to join Goonswarm? Only terrible people who drown puppies and stab children in the eyes would want to join Goonswarm. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:54:00 -
[153] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote: blabla
The one who should be removed from the game is you. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6477
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:00:00 -
[154] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Who would want to join Goonswarm? Only terrible people who drown puppies and stab children in the eyes would want to join Goonswarm. What? They no longer require you to sell nuns into slavery? PfftGǪ
See, this is why I will never be a goon, even though people constantly assume that I am one GÇö I'm far too overqualified. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Josef Djugashvilis
152
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:09:00 -
[155] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Why do I feel like I've seen this thread before.
Because you have,many, many, many, many times.
Devs not playing.....do not understand their own game.
Devs playing, must be cheating.
Ho hum.... You want fries with that? |
Josef Djugashvilis
152
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:14:00 -
[156] - Quote
Kietay Ayari wrote:I do not catch the 1984 reference :[
Or me, and I have read the book several times over the years. You want fries with that? |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
628
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:21:00 -
[157] - Quote
I read the OP and I actually felt my IQ drop. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
556
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:21:00 -
[158] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:I read the OP and I actually felt my IQ drop. I think it's ECM for our brains, boss. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
74
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:30:00 -
[159] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Great, we finally get some Devs that actually play EVE that are not hopeless Carebears (the majority of them still are, check their admissions in other threads devoted to "Do the Dev's Play EVE") and this knucklehead wants to make it impossible.
You fail to understand that we WANT a game where organizations like the Goons can exist along side organizations like EVE University, using the same tool set and universe but pursuing their own vastly different goals. To achieve that goal we want developers that are well versed in as many facets of the game as possible... from the loner, to the industrialist, to the pirate, and everything in between.
We do not want the universe to be fair, comfy, and safe.
We do not want devs that only understand fair, comfy, and safe.
We wants devs that understand all aspects of EVE well enough to promote a universe that is harsh, challenging, stark, and relatively unforgiving... but above all fun for those able to survive. To do that they need to get their feet wet and play all ends of the spectrum.
If you have evidence of favoritism, submit it to Internal Affairs to be investigated.
If you have no evidence you are simply trolling, and not really worthy of attention. You and your well-reasoned posting... But at the end of the day we just want to pod a dev.
Not that I disagree with him, but saying that you want something over and over is not good reasoning. .... |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
556
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:32:00 -
[160] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:If you have evidence of favoritism, submit it to Internal Affairs to be investigated.
If you have no evidence you are simply trolling, and not really worthy of attention.
Did I ******* miss something? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
657
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:52:00 -
[161] - Quote
It doesn't end at CCP headquarters, just take a look at the sky, dude
Right, chemtrails.
~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2012.05.08 08:23:00 -
[162] - Quote
this shocking leak substantiates our worst fears: http://i.imgur.com/3DH0b.png
Goonswarm is literally BoB |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
627
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Posted - 2012.05.08 08:24:00 -
[163] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Alpheias wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote: bla.. bla.. bla..
I'd throw you in to a pond of hungry moray eels, like the ancient romans punished insolent slaves. Ah, the Roman Republic had a "kill you" policy for corruption. You were referring to the decadent Roman Empire though? Yes, I imagine the Goons would fit in well in the Roman Empire. As slaves and hirelings. Considering the history and reputation of the Roman Empire, if Eve was the Roman empire, GSF would be at the top of the food chain and feeding the rest of us to the lions. Sucking up, willingness to say anything, and extreme cowardice are useful for surviving as a slave and cheering wildly when their owners kill some Christians. Not so good at being in charge. Especially back then.
You are not in charge now either. Nothing has changed for you, ever. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
627
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Posted - 2012.05.08 08:26:00 -
[164] - Quote
Ironic isn't it? Goonswarm was created basically to topple BoB's empire. Not replace it.
You become what you hate, I guess. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.05.08 08:46:00 -
[165] - Quote
TRUE ZER0 wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Serene Repose wrote: To be in Something Awful you have to have a referral from a member in good standing.
that's wrong All you need is $10
A referral from Alexander Hamilton you mean. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4149
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Posted - 2012.05.08 09:02:00 -
[166] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:There is just too much B*LLSHIT Goons get away with that would not be tolerated by any other group not friendly to them.
Such as? And by whom? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Jandice Ymladris
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
29
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Posted - 2012.05.08 09:05:00 -
[167] - Quote
My opinion on the topic is this:
Let the devs play the game they develop, that way they can see & notice the issues players have far easier. Also better for feedback & implementation of new things. Devs that don't play their game will loose all touch and implement stuff that sounds cool, but ruins the game (many MMO's have gone that route and fell)
Keep in mind, there's many devs and they're in all ways of Eve. Are there Devs in Goonswarm? No doubt considering just the sheer size of members Goonswarm has. Are tehre devs somewhere else? yes, other alliances, lowsec, highsec etc (from a forumthread on the old forums, it turned out quite some Devs live in Highsec as well)
I rather have devs playing the MMO then not, simply ebcause then they're more in touch with the playerbase as well and know problems firsthand. |
lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
7
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Posted - 2012.05.08 10:48:00 -
[168] - Quote
Looks like our friends Sigurd and Jessie will get butthurt and start shiptoasting over anything |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:10:00 -
[169] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED. The best fix for this issue is for you to stop associating with idiots. The goons' recruitment scams are common knowledge. Their wiki even says it's a scam and explains the real recruiting policy. The forums are full of whines about it. If your mentally challenged friend had bothered to do a forum or Google search or even just ask around in-game before trusting complete strangers with his money this could have been avoided.
masternerdguy wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Goons are generally 100% accurate when it comes to making good decisions for game balance. Yes, and we should let the inmates run the asylum too, right? It worked for Australia. I doubt its original owners would agree. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
581
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:26:00 -
[170] - Quote
Jandice Ymladris wrote:My opinion on the topic is this:
Let the devs play the game they develop, that way they can see & notice the issues players have far easier. Also better for feedback & implementation of new things. Devs that don't play their game will loose all touch and implement stuff that sounds cool, but ruins the game (many MMO's have gone that route and fell)
Keep in mind, there's many devs and they're in all ways of Eve. Are there Devs in Goonswarm? No doubt considering just the sheer size of members Goonswarm has. Are tehre devs somewhere else? yes, other alliances, lowsec, highsec etc (from a forumthread on the old forums, it turned out quite some Devs live in Highsec as well)
I rather have devs playing the MMO then not, simply ebcause then they're more in touch with the playerbase as well and know problems firsthand.
I agree, however, the relationship between Goon's and CCP obviously favors Goons' gameplay. I'm sorry, but if you look at how things have occurred in the past few months you'll see a pattern that support such observations.
Glaring examples are CCP's efforts against botting which surprisingly only targeted the Russians + some collateral and Mittani's slap on the wrist for what would have gotten the entirety of the remaining playerbase perma-banned. Oh and lets not forget the conspicuous method of BoB's downfall.
CCP should completely distance itself from Goons, imo. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
80
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:46:00 -
[171] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:Jandice Ymladris wrote:My opinion on the topic is this:
Let the devs play the game they develop, that way they can see & notice the issues players have far easier. Also better for feedback & implementation of new things. Devs that don't play their game will loose all touch and implement stuff that sounds cool, but ruins the game (many MMO's have gone that route and fell)
Keep in mind, there's many devs and they're in all ways of Eve. Are there Devs in Goonswarm? No doubt considering just the sheer size of members Goonswarm has. Are tehre devs somewhere else? yes, other alliances, lowsec, highsec etc (from a forumthread on the old forums, it turned out quite some Devs live in Highsec as well)
I rather have devs playing the MMO then not, simply ebcause then they're more in touch with the playerbase as well and know problems firsthand. I agree, however, the relationship between Goon's and CCP obviously favors Goons' gameplay. I'm sorry, but if you look at how things have occurred in the past few months you'll see a pattern that support such observations. Glaring examples are CCP's efforts against botting which surprisingly only targeted the Russians + some collateral and Mittani's slap on the wrist for what would have gotten the entirety of the remaining playerbase perma-banned. Oh and lets not forget the conspicuous method of BoB's downfall. CCP should completely distance itself from Goons, imo.
wat |
OmniBeton
OmniBeton Metatech
8
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:48:00 -
[172] - Quote
Goons, please burn Jita again. I didn't manage to sell all my stuff before prices dropped back to normaln :( |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:18:00 -
[173] - Quote
Andski wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:There is just too much B*LLSHIT Goons get away with that would not be tolerated by any other group not friendly to them. Such as? And by whom?
mittani alt spotted Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:19:00 -
[174] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote: CCP should completely distance itself from Goons, imo.
But their onstage antics are soooo adorable (swoon). Who would ever let them go away ?????? Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:21:00 -
[175] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Literally costs '10 bucks' to become a goon.
We're not the exclusive club you seem to think we are.
10 clams......and every last shred of human dignity left. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:22:00 -
[176] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:I read the OP and I actually felt my IQ drop.
I'm so sorry.
I can tell by the quality of your post. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:23:00 -
[177] - Quote
Roime wrote:It doesn't end at CCP headquarters, just take a look at the sky, dude
Right, chemtrails.
Silly me. I thought that was a rainbow. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4153
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:26:00 -
[178] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:the relationship between Goon's and CCP
saw a grocer's apostrophe, stopped reading
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:32:00 -
[179] - Quote
I have to say there is somethig extremely 'dodgy' happening to eve, ccp AND Goons/
I mean another example the war dec system, goons will now be practically impossible to wardec. CCP are blantantly allowing one alliance to control eve, why is that? this is why eve in 5 years will be dead Goons control everything and i mean everything, and with that they just get bigger and bigger, and attractivng all the new players cos of this and still scamming them as well.. They have nearly all the tech moons etc, there is something seriously wrong with all this.. seriously wrong |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1220
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:35:00 -
[180] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:I have to say there is somethig extremely 'dodgy' happening to eve, ccp AND Goons/
I mean another example the war dec system, goons will now be practically impossible to wardec. CCP are blantantly allowing one alliance to control eve, why is that? this is why eve in 5 years will be dead Goons control everything and i mean everything, and with that they just get bigger and bigger, and attractivng all the new players cos of this and still scamming them as well.. They have nearly all the tech moons etc, there is something seriously wrong with all this.. seriously wrong
Screw it, it's boring trying to counter all these tinfoil crazy posts.
Yes, it's all true. CCP is working hand in hand with us and have been implementing a series of changes to their game in line with our orders (that have been submitted to CCP Sreegs and CCP Soundwave directly). They've been changing things to fit our desires and have implemented nerfs where we have requested to give us the biggest in game advantage.
Despite having decent paying jobs and a career with the company they happily value the BRO CODE over their livelihood and the ability to feed their families and for this I thank them. |
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:36:00 -
[181] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:I have to say there is somethig extremely 'dodgy' happening to eve, ccp AND Goons/
I mean another example the war dec system, goons will now be practically impossible to wardec. CCP are blantantly allowing one alliance to control eve, why is that? this is why eve in 5 years will be dead Goons control everything and i mean everything, and with that they just get bigger and bigger, and attractivng all the new players cos of this and still scamming them as well.. They have nearly all the tech moons etc, there is something seriously wrong with all this.. seriously wrong
(Serious face)
A guy in my Main's home system is quitting over it after 5 years. 3 Accounts. Obvious just became too Obvious for him.
It's still a bit Tin Foil Territory, but that is being shred with each passing day.
Remember T20 ???? That started as a gigantic tinfoil ball and wound up TRUE as daylight.
How quickly we forget.....or want to hide. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:37:00 -
[182] - Quote
Vile rat wrote: ........all these tinfoil crazy posts.
I heard if you say something over and over again it magically becomes true. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Ken Cook
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:38:00 -
[183] - Quote
Good thread, would read again. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1220
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:39:00 -
[184] - Quote
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Vile rat wrote: ........all these tinfoil crazy posts.
I heard if you say something over and over again it magically becomes true.
I'm not the one making unsubstantiated claims. The T-20 incident was a fire, there's not even smoke here. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:43:00 -
[185] - Quote
Just watch CCP Soundwaffe's presentation at Fanfest and marvel at the near sexual excitement he achieves when talking about moving T2 out of high sec. It's so obscene, I had to look away. THAT takes some presentation skills to fake it otherwise. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1220
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:47:00 -
[186] - Quote
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Just watch CCP Soundwaffe's presentation at Fanfest and marvel at the near sexual excitement he achieves when talking about moving T2 out of high sec. It's so obscene, I had to look away. THAT takes some presentation skills to fake it otherwise.
You aren't even discussing substance at this point just gut feeling and emotional garbage. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
625
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:52:00 -
[187] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Just watch CCP Soundwaffe's presentation at Fanfest and marvel at the near sexual excitement he achieves when talking about moving T2 out of high sec. It's so obscene, I had to look away. THAT takes some presentation skills to fake it otherwise. You aren't even discussing substance at this point just gut feeling and emotional garbage. Wait, what? Why? Can you link this, I sort of want to see it now. With POSes needing 1.1x material to make T2 and highsec having tons of slots in stations, why would they do this ...
I guess he really likes his job? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:52:00 -
[188] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:evereplicant wrote:I have to say there is somethig extremely 'dodgy' happening to eve, ccp AND Goons/
I mean another example the war dec system, goons will now be practically impossible to wardec. CCP are blantantly allowing one alliance to control eve, why is that? this is why eve in 5 years will be dead Goons control everything and i mean everything, and with that they just get bigger and bigger, and attractivng all the new players cos of this and still scamming them as well.. They have nearly all the tech moons etc, there is something seriously wrong with all this.. seriously wrong Screw it, it's boring trying to counter all these tinfoil crazy posts. Yes, it's all true. CCP is working hand in hand with us and have been implementing a series of changes to their game in line with our orders (that have been submitted to CCP Sreegs and CCP Soundwave directly). They've been changing things to fit our desires and have implemented nerfs where we have requested to give us the biggest in game advantage. Despite having decent paying jobs and a career with the company they happily value the BRO CODE over their livelihood and the ability to feed their families and for this I thank them.
thanks for admitting to that |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1220
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:59:00 -
[189] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:Vile rat wrote:evereplicant wrote:I have to say there is somethig extremely 'dodgy' happening to eve, ccp AND Goons/
I mean another example the war dec system, goons will now be practically impossible to wardec. CCP are blantantly allowing one alliance to control eve, why is that? this is why eve in 5 years will be dead Goons control everything and i mean everything, and with that they just get bigger and bigger, and attractivng all the new players cos of this and still scamming them as well.. They have nearly all the tech moons etc, there is something seriously wrong with all this.. seriously wrong Screw it, it's boring trying to counter all these tinfoil crazy posts. Yes, it's all true. CCP is working hand in hand with us and have been implementing a series of changes to their game in line with our orders (that have been submitted to CCP Sreegs and CCP Soundwave directly). They've been changing things to fit our desires and have implemented nerfs where we have requested to give us the biggest in game advantage. Despite having decent paying jobs and a career with the company they happily value the BRO CODE over their livelihood and the ability to feed their families and for this I thank them. thanks for admitting to that
Yep. Totally true every word up there. I just sent Soundwave the latest draft of the Goonswarm suggested changes list (GSCL) and he has two weeks within which to make the necessary changes before our agreement with CCP games requires them to release him from contract and hire one of our reserve goon dev standby members. We expect the changes to be promptly implemented and if they are late they are contractually required to give our alliance an extra 500 billion isk in reparations for making us wait.
Also fun fact: Each Goonswarm member has a petition response coupon that entitles us to one complete restoration of a lost hull once per year. Sadly this doesn't cover modules, but it's been how we've recovered every single one of our lost supercaps at zero cost.
It's a great setup if you can get it! |
Din Chao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:01:00 -
[190] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:...every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group...
I thought every change benefited E-Uni... Make up your minds, perpetual whiners. |
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hank boar
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:02:00 -
[191] - Quote
FeralShadow wrote:Anybody else find it funny that highsec supposedly has the highest number of people in the game by over 70% and yet they can't scrape enough together to fight goonswarm? I do.
the one problem with that is 50% of them are goon alt :)......
Blue ice is nice price lol thanks goons
I love goonpod pie in the morning :)
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
625
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:03:00 -
[192] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:evereplicant wrote:Vile rat wrote:evereplicant wrote:I have to say there is somethig extremely 'dodgy' happening to eve, ccp AND Goons/
I mean another example the war dec system, goons will now be practically impossible to wardec. CCP are blantantly allowing one alliance to control eve, why is that? this is why eve in 5 years will be dead Goons control everything and i mean everything, and with that they just get bigger and bigger, and attractivng all the new players cos of this and still scamming them as well.. They have nearly all the tech moons etc, there is something seriously wrong with all this.. seriously wrong Screw it, it's boring trying to counter all these tinfoil crazy posts. Yes, it's all true. CCP is working hand in hand with us and have been implementing a series of changes to their game in line with our orders (that have been submitted to CCP Sreegs and CCP Soundwave directly). They've been changing things to fit our desires and have implemented nerfs where we have requested to give us the biggest in game advantage. Despite having decent paying jobs and a career with the company they happily value the BRO CODE over their livelihood and the ability to feed their families and for this I thank them. thanks for admitting to that Yep. Totally true every word up there. I just sent Soundwave the latest draft of the Goonswarm suggested changes list (GSCL) and he has two weeks within which to make the necessary changes before our agreement with CCP games requires them to release him from contract and hire one of our reserve goon dev standby members. We expect the changes to be promptly implemented and if they are late they are contractually required to give our alliance an extra 500 billion isk in reparations for making us wait. Also fun fact: Each Goonswarm member has a petition response coupon that entitles us to one complete restoration of a lost hull once per year. Sadly this doesn't cover modules, but it's been how we've recovered every single one of our lost supercaps at zero cost. It's a great setup if you can get it! Is it also the goons' fault that we left the Tritanium standard? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:07:00 -
[193] - Quote
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Vile rat wrote: ........all these tinfoil crazy posts.
I heard if you say something over and over again it magically becomes true.
Is that why you keep posting the same thing over and over? |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
|
Posted - 2012.05.08 13:09:00 -
[194] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Ironic isn't it? Goonswarm was created basically to topple BoB's empire. Not replace it. You become what you hate, I guess.
Goonswarm was created so that people from something awful could play eve together. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:12:00 -
[195] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:I have to say there is somethig extremely 'dodgy' happening to eve, ccp AND Goons/
I mean another example the war dec system, goons will now be practically impossible to wardec. CCP are blantantly allowing one alliance to control eve, why is that? this is why eve in 5 years will be dead Goons control everything and i mean everything, and with that they just get bigger and bigger, and attractivng all the new players cos of this and still scamming them as well.. They have nearly all the tech moons etc, there is something seriously wrong with all this.. seriously wrong
Ignoring the fact that CCP haven't shown us the new war dec system yet, you don't need to war dec goonswarm. You can come out and attack us for free. No money down, nothing to pay.
You're also ignoring the fact that goonswarm wants technetium nerfed, and we have since it was changed.
You're ignoring the fact that goonswarm only recruits from the something awful forums and doesn't just accept 'new players'.
In fact, the only thing you're not ignoring is the voices in your head that make you think posting is a good idea. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:13:00 -
[196] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:Vile rat wrote:evereplicant wrote:I have to say there is somethig extremely 'dodgy' happening to eve, ccp AND Goons/
I mean another example the war dec system, goons will now be practically impossible to wardec. CCP are blantantly allowing one alliance to control eve, why is that? this is why eve in 5 years will be dead Goons control everything and i mean everything, and with that they just get bigger and bigger, and attractivng all the new players cos of this and still scamming them as well.. They have nearly all the tech moons etc, there is something seriously wrong with all this.. seriously wrong Screw it, it's boring trying to counter all these tinfoil crazy posts. Yes, it's all true. CCP is working hand in hand with us and have been implementing a series of changes to their game in line with our orders (that have been submitted to CCP Sreegs and CCP Soundwave directly). They've been changing things to fit our desires and have implemented nerfs where we have requested to give us the biggest in game advantage. Despite having decent paying jobs and a career with the company they happily value the BRO CODE over their livelihood and the ability to feed their families and for this I thank them. thanks for admitting to that
I guess someone without a job and a family could never understand how those are more important than the bond of :10bux: on a forum. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:18:00 -
[197] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:I guess someone without a job and a family could never understand how those are more important than the bond of :10bux: on a forum.
Yes, because if history has taught us anything it's that people believe they'll be caught and always act rationally.
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:20:00 -
[198] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:I guess someone without a job and a family could never understand how those are more important than the bond of :10bux: on a forum. Yes, because if history has taught us anything it's that people believe they'll be caught and always act rationally.
History has shown us that people don't really care about 'space guilds' when they have a job and a family.
Seriously dude, get some perspective. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
491
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:22:00 -
[199] - Quote
Jandice Ymladris wrote:(...stuff)... I rather have devs playing the MMO then not, simply because then they're more in touch with the playerbase as well and know problems firsthand.
Amen to that, thank goodness too. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:24:00 -
[200] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:I guess someone without a job and a family could never understand how those are more important than the bond of :10bux: on a forum. Yes, because if history has taught us anything it's that people believe they'll be caught and always act rationally. History has shown us that people don't really care about 'space guilds' when they have a job and a family. Seriously dude, get some perspective.
T2 BPO, anyone?
Your insistent belief in the rationality of humans is hilarious.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3697
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:28:00 -
[201] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:I guess someone without a job and a family could never understand how those are more important than the bond of :10bux: on a forum. Yes, because if history has taught us anything it's that people believe they'll be caught and always act rationally.
History also teaches us that hysterical accusations based on no proof other than "I don't like you and i want what you have" are a reliable indicator of guilt.
Indeed, all goons and devs should immediately be thrown into the nearest pond to see whether or not they weigh more than a duck. 'Floaters' must, of course, be burned at the stake.
('Sinkers' are glorious martyrs in the crusade against sin and people having more space-stuff than me) Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
59
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:28:00 -
[202] - Quote
So.... you are teh 1000th person to fall for the recruitment scam?
You do know, that the Goon's Website says "IF YOU WERE CONTACTED AND TOLD TO COME HERE IT WAS A SCAM" My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:28:00 -
[203] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:I guess someone without a job and a family could never understand how those are more important than the bond of :10bux: on a forum. Yes, because if history has taught us anything it's that people believe they'll be caught and always act rationally. History has shown us that people don't really care about 'space guilds' when they have a job and a family. Seriously dude, get some perspective. T2 BPO, anyone? Your insistent belief in the rationality of humans is hilarious.
That predates the rules and internal affairs structure implemented by CCP just to detect and stop this behavior.
Your insistent belief that someone would risk their professional career (because yes, having to go to a management job interview and say you were fired for cheating means you aren't going to get any more management jobs) over something as banal as a 'space guild' is hilarious.
Sorry honey, I'll never get another 6 figure job because my buddies needed a new titan.
Seriously dude, go build a career then come back to this thread. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3697
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:30:00 -
[204] - Quote
Sir, that's 'floater' talk.
Let Jesus into your heart and the smoke into your lungs. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:33:00 -
[205] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:I guess someone without a job and a family could never understand how those are more important than the bond of :10bux: on a forum. Yes, because if history has taught us anything it's that people believe they'll be caught and always act rationally. History also teaches us that hysterical accusations based on no proof other than "I don't like you and i want what you have" are a reliable indicator of guilt.
Another lesson of local history is that sometimes those accusations turn out to be true. Regardless of how juvenile and whiny they may sound at first.
Of course there's no proof here at all.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
625
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:33:00 -
[206] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:That predates the rules and internal affairs structure implemented by CCP just to detect and stop this behavior.
Your insistent belief that someone would risk their professional career (because yes, having to go to a management job interview and say you were fired for cheating means you aren't going to get any more management jobs) over something as banal as a 'space guild' is hilarious.
Sorry honey, I'll never get another 6 figure job because my buddies needed a new titan.
Seriously dude, go build a career then come back to this thread. Titans are really rare and .... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
975
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:33:00 -
[207] - Quote
i personally rang up soundwave and said "yo, dude, plz change the motd" |
Jerick Ludhowe
Wraiths of Abaddon
68
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:38:00 -
[208] - Quote
I'd personally like it more if ccp actually started playing their own game.... We may get some reasonable balance changes instead of this "oh this would be cool" mentality towards tweaks that inevitable perpetuate or add issues instead of directly solving them. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:38:00 -
[209] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Seriously dude, go build a career then come back to this thread.
Quite, no one's every thrown away a big money job, let alone an entire career, over something stupid. |
Devil's Call
Catocalypse Meow ZOMBIE KITTY FORCE
748
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:42:00 -
[210] - Quote
It's good that CCP employee's are involved in the game, if ALL of them were in goonfleet... that would be a problem I suppose. |
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:42:00 -
[211] - Quote
Quote:You do realise that, in a previous witch hunt, the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge?
And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game?
Do you lot REALLY think that the "top" people, Hillmar and Oveur etc, are party to all of this? Of course they're not, this is their cash cow.
Get over yourselves.
Ya'll complain when something doesn't go your way, but I don't hear any of you complaining when the conversations any of us have with the very same people lead to bugs being fixed, oh no, because that's a benefit RIGHT? |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:43:00 -
[212] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Seriously dude, go build a career then come back to this thread. Quite, no one's every thrown away a big money job, let alone an entire career, over something stupid.
Well, this is where we need to get down to brass tacks. Sure, some people have thrown away careers over stupid things like lust, prestige, drugs, gambling, or any one of several other reasons that I've seen people throw away their futures.
Guess what. 'Space guilds' didn't warrant a mention. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:46:00 -
[213] - Quote
Quote:We have a 'special' line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS. Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
625
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:46:00 -
[214] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Seriously dude, go build a career then come back to this thread. Quite, no one's every thrown away a big money job, let alone an entire career, over something stupid. Well, this is where we need to get down to brass tacks. Sure, some people have thrown away careers over stupid things like lust, prestige, drugs, gambling, or any one of several other reasons that I've seen people throw away their futures. Guess what. 'Space guilds' didn't warrant a mention. Space guilds and lust ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
|
Posted - 2012.05.08 13:47:00 -
[215] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:Quote:We have a 'special' line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS. Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots
Could you link to that post? Just so we know it isn't something you made up. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:53:00 -
[216] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Seriously dude, go build a career then come back to this thread. Quite, no one's every thrown away a big money job, let alone an entire career, over something stupid. Well, this is where we need to get down to brass tacks. Sure, some people have thrown away careers over stupid things like lust, prestige, drugs, gambling, or any one of several other reasons that I've seen people throw away their futures. Guess what. 'Space guilds' didn't warrant a mention.
Call it "friends" and it sounds a little more common.
Seriously, insisting people wouldn't do something because it's stupid demonstrates an astounding ignorance of humanity.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1227
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:54:00 -
[217] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Seriously dude, go build a career then come back to this thread. Quite, no one's every thrown away a big money job, let alone an entire career, over something stupid. Well, this is where we need to get down to brass tacks. Sure, some people have thrown away careers over stupid things like lust, prestige, drugs, gambling, or any one of several other reasons that I've seen people throw away their futures. Guess what. 'Space guilds' didn't warrant a mention. Call it "friends" and it sounds a little more common. Seriously, insisting people wouldn't do something because it's stupid demonstrates an astounding ignorance of humanity.
Would you be happier if somebody said "It's stupid insisting people are doing this cause there's no evidence at all that it's occuring" ? |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
|
Posted - 2012.05.08 13:58:00 -
[218] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Seriously dude, go build a career then come back to this thread. Quite, no one's every thrown away a big money job, let alone an entire career, over something stupid. Well, this is where we need to get down to brass tacks. Sure, some people have thrown away careers over stupid things like lust, prestige, drugs, gambling, or any one of several other reasons that I've seen people throw away their futures. Guess what. 'Space guilds' didn't warrant a mention. Call it "friends" and it sounds a little more common. Seriously, insisting people wouldn't do something because it's stupid demonstrates an astounding ignorance of humanity.
Sure, but there is friendship as in 'needs a kidney' and there is friendship as in 'needs a titan'. No one sacrifices their ethics for 'friendship'. Find me any one in history who ever threw away their career for something as trivial as this. |
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:59:00 -
[219] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:i personally rang up soundwave and said "yo, dude, plz change the motd"
Totally untrue. Sreegs did it after I won a Sambal snorting contest on one of our camping trips . |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.05.08 14:01:00 -
[220] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:
Would you be happier if somebody said "It's stupid insisting people are doing this cause there's no evidence at all that it's occuring" ?
No, I wouldn't be happier. That's much less amusing.
It is one hell of a lot more rational however.
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
97
|
Posted - 2012.05.08 14:02:00 -
[221] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Quote:We have a 'special' line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS. Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots Could you link to that post? Just so we know it isn't something you made up. "GoonFleet [LWTAX] from 2008.06.15 06:44 to 2008.11.03 02:38. State War Academy [SWA] from 2008.06.14 11:58 to 2008.06.15 06:44. "
I see. There you go:
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=526462&page=12#345
(anchor doesn't seem to work, scroll down to post #345) |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:04:00 -
[222] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Seriously dude, go build a career then come back to this thread. Quite, no one's every thrown away a big money job, let alone an entire career, over something stupid. Well, this is where we need to get down to brass tacks. Sure, some people have thrown away careers over stupid things like lust, prestige, drugs, gambling, or any one of several other reasons that I've seen people throw away their futures. Guess what. 'Space guilds' didn't warrant a mention. Call it "friends" and it sounds a little more common. Seriously, insisting people wouldn't do something because it's stupid demonstrates an astounding ignorance of humanity. Sure, but there is friendship as in 'needs a kidney' and there is friendship as in 'needs a titan'. No one sacrifices their ethics for 'friendship'. Find me any one in history who ever threw away their career for something as trivial as this.
Or, "needs a mod without going a couple more jumps'. Where would you say a Titan ranks compared to a quick bj from a tranny hooker?
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:05:00 -
[223] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Quote:We have a 'special' line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS. Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots Could you link to that post? Just so we know it isn't something you made up. "GoonFleet [LWTAX] from 2008.06.15 06:44 to 2008.11.03 02:38. State War Academy [SWA] from 2008.06.14 11:58 to 2008.06.15 06:44. " I see. There you go: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=526462&page=12#345(anchor doesn't seem to work, scroll down to post #345)
Oh good, for a second there I thought you were thinking that someone from GSF was stupid enough to say that. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
|
Posted - 2012.05.08 14:06:00 -
[224] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Or, "needs a mod without going a couple more jumps'. Where would you say a Titan ranks compared to a quick bj from a tranny hooker?
'tranny hooker blowjob' falls under lust. 'needs a mod without going a couple more jobs' falls under 'the stupidest reason to lose your job ever conceived by man'. |
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:08:00 -
[225] - Quote
So the guy that has been in gsf for a total of 6 months knows more than the thousand spies that would happily see us banned for something like this. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:10:00 -
[226] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote:Or, "needs a mod without going a couple more jumps'. Where would you say a Titan ranks compared to a quick bj from a tranny hooker?
'tranny hooker blowjob' falls under lust. 'needs a mod without going a couple more jobs' falls under 'the stupidest reason to lose your job ever conceived by man'.
So, just to be sure I've got your rankings down correctly, the tranny bj is preferable to the Titan?
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
|
Posted - 2012.05.08 14:13:00 -
[227] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote:Or, "needs a mod without going a couple more jumps'. Where would you say a Titan ranks compared to a quick bj from a tranny hooker?
'tranny hooker blowjob' falls under lust. 'needs a mod without going a couple more jobs' falls under 'the stupidest reason to lose your job ever conceived by man'. So, just to be sure I've got your rankings down correctly, the tranny bj is preferable to the Titan?
Isn't it? |
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:14:00 -
[228] - Quote
Youcouldn't even be filed for consulting a tranny hooker,soobviously that's preferable. |
Chris Starfire
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
5
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:14:00 -
[229] - Quote
Here's a thought, If there's concern about DEV's taking advantage over other players with their CCP given DEV powers then don't allow their normal playing toon's any power over any other registered player in the game, this will keep the playing ground honest and they can play the game and feel a loss the same as any other player, so on that note, no transferring huge funds to their own toons from CCP registered toons and no special benefits to friends.
P.S: I don't have a problem with any of CCP's employees playing the game but keep them on the same playing ground as everyone else who is a paying customer.
[TROLLER'S NEED NOT REPLY AS I WILL PROBABLY IGNORE IT] |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:18:00 -
[230] - Quote
Chris Starfire wrote:Here's a thought, If there's concern about DEV's taking advantage over other players with their CCP given DEV powers then don't allow their normal playing toon's any power over any other registered player in the game, this will keep the playing ground honest and they can play the game and feel a loss the same as any other player, so on that note, no transferring huge funds to their own toons from CCP registered toons and no special benefits to friends.
P.S: I don't have a problem with any of CCP's employees playing the game but keep them on the same playing ground as everyone else who is a paying customer.
[TROLLER'S NEED NOT REPLY AS I WILL PROBABLY IGNORE IT]
Well, that's the thing. There is an entire section of CCP dedicated to ensuring that CCP player alts are unable to influence the game in that way. They even have an anonymous tip line you can use. |
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
642
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:19:00 -
[231] - Quote
Remove the recruitment channel.
Its basicly an intel tool provided by CCP to look for corps but at the same time it helps rip off naive idiots. By removing the channel, CCP no longer needs to police it, Customers have to use their brains to find a corp (as everyone who spouts rules of eve and fit tanks to hulks, crap like that), less issues arise between conspiracy theories and negligent customers/employees not keeping up with game rules / mechanisims as they change.
Problem solved.
Logic my friends, you are welcome for me finding the best and obviously easy solution. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:19:00 -
[232] - Quote
Polly Oxford wrote:Youcouldn't even be filed for consulting a tranny hooker,soobviously that's preferable.
Interestingly enough though, fear of being revealed as spending time with tranny hookers IS a reason why someone would betray their ethical code of conduct.
Still ranks way above 'space game' though. |
Senditu
Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:19:00 -
[233] - Quote
I can only speak for myself, but the coalition is grand group of very astute players who care to make content in this game. I, for one, cherish the fact that I am part of such an incredible group of people.
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
492
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:20:00 -
[234] - Quote
I would like to know if they (the Dev's) are indeed robots, do the three basic laws of robotics apply ?
(My apologies to the Isaac Asimov Foundation)
First Law of Devbotics: A Dev may not cause harm to come to EVE, or through inaction, allow EVE to come to harm.
Second Law of Devbotics: A Dev must obey the orders given to it by CCP, except where such orders would conflict with the First law.
Third Law of Devbotics: A Dev must protect his own code as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.
So there you have it, after some deep-thinking I have come to the conclusion that the Dev's care about EVE and CCP pays and feeds the Devs, not Goonswarm or any other alliance.
Keep up the excellent work Dev's, you guys work like crazy to make this fun. Then you have to read shitposts like the one Op and his Alts have posted.
o/
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
975
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:21:00 -
[235] - Quote
i'm told that if you get past endie and mynas arguing over who is more scottish, goonwaffe is just CCP's back channel to mittens |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:22:00 -
[236] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Chris Starfire wrote:Here's a thought, If there's concern about DEV's taking advantage over other players with their CCP given DEV powers then don't allow their normal playing toon's any power over any other registered player in the game, this will keep the playing ground honest and they can play the game and feel a loss the same as any other player, so on that note, no transferring huge funds to their own toons from CCP registered toons and no special benefits to friends.
P.S: I don't have a problem with any of CCP's employees playing the game but keep them on the same playing ground as everyone else who is a paying customer.
[TROLLER'S NEED NOT REPLY AS I WILL PROBABLY IGNORE IT] Well, that's the thing. There is an entire section of CCP dedicated to ensuring that CCP player alts are unable to influence the game in that way. They even have an anonymous tip line you can use. already pointed it out earlier in this thread but the restructuring moved IA from the Statistics to the Security Team, so it is now under the supervision of CCP Sreegs
you can't escape the tinfoil |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:22:00 -
[237] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote: Keep up the excellent work Dev's, you guys work like crazy to make this fun. Then you have to read shitposts like the one Op and his Alts have posted.
Hey now, hey.
I put just as much **** into this thread as the OP did.
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
975
|
Posted - 2012.05.08 14:23:00 -
[238] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Thorn Galen wrote: Keep up the excellent work Dev's, you guys work like crazy to make this fun. Then you have to read shitposts like the one Op and his Alts have posted.
Hey now, hey. I put just as much **** into this thread as the OP did.
good work, goon |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:24:00 -
[239] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Chris Starfire wrote:Here's a thought, If there's concern about DEV's taking advantage over other players with their CCP given DEV powers then don't allow their normal playing toon's any power over any other registered player in the game, this will keep the playing ground honest and they can play the game and feel a loss the same as any other player, so on that note, no transferring huge funds to their own toons from CCP registered toons and no special benefits to friends.
P.S: I don't have a problem with any of CCP's employees playing the game but keep them on the same playing ground as everyone else who is a paying customer.
[TROLLER'S NEED NOT REPLY AS I WILL PROBABLY IGNORE IT] Well, that's the thing. There is an entire section of CCP dedicated to ensuring that CCP player alts are unable to influence the game in that way. They even have an anonymous tip line you can use. already pointed it out earlier in this thread but the restructuring moved IA from the Statistics to the Security Team, so it is now under the supervision of CCP Sreegs you can't escape the :tinfoil:
Right, but what exactly does that mean? Does it mean the guy from IA can't walk across the office to the CEO's office and get his boss fired?
A: No, it doesn't. In fact, it's his -ethical duty- as a security professional to do just that. [Assuming his boss was involved in something contrary to the rules and codes of the organisation he works for.] |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
977
|
Posted - 2012.05.08 14:26:00 -
[240] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Chris Starfire wrote:Here's a thought, If there's concern about DEV's taking advantage over other players with their CCP given DEV powers then don't allow their normal playing toon's any power over any other registered player in the game, this will keep the playing ground honest and they can play the game and feel a loss the same as any other player, so on that note, no transferring huge funds to their own toons from CCP registered toons and no special benefits to friends.
P.S: I don't have a problem with any of CCP's employees playing the game but keep them on the same playing ground as everyone else who is a paying customer.
[TROLLER'S NEED NOT REPLY AS I WILL PROBABLY IGNORE IT] Well, that's the thing. There is an entire section of CCP dedicated to ensuring that CCP player alts are unable to influence the game in that way. They even have an anonymous tip line you can use. already pointed it out earlier in this thread but the restructuring moved IA from the Statistics to the Security Team, so it is now under the supervision of CCP Sreegs you can't escape the :tinfoil: Right, but what exactly does that mean? Does it mean the guy from IA can't walk across the office to the CEO's office and get his boss fired? A: No, it doesn't. In fact, it's his -ethical duty- as a security professional to do just that. [Assuming his boss was involved in something contrary to the rules and codes of the organisation he works for.]
So what you're saying is that Goonswarm could ask Sreegs to fire Hilmar, and we could run CCP?
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:28:00 -
[241] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Chris Starfire wrote:Here's a thought, If there's concern about DEV's taking advantage over other players with their CCP given DEV powers then don't allow their normal playing toon's any power over any other registered player in the game, this will keep the playing ground honest and they can play the game and feel a loss the same as any other player, so on that note, no transferring huge funds to their own toons from CCP registered toons and no special benefits to friends.
P.S: I don't have a problem with any of CCP's employees playing the game but keep them on the same playing ground as everyone else who is a paying customer.
[TROLLER'S NEED NOT REPLY AS I WILL PROBABLY IGNORE IT] Well, that's the thing. There is an entire section of CCP dedicated to ensuring that CCP player alts are unable to influence the game in that way. They even have an anonymous tip line you can use. already pointed it out earlier in this thread but the restructuring moved IA from the Statistics to the Security Team, so it is now under the supervision of CCP Sreegs you can't escape the :tinfoil: Right, but what exactly does that mean? Does it mean the guy from IA can't walk across the office to the CEO's office and get his boss fired? A: No, it doesn't. In fact, it's his -ethical duty- as a security professional to do just that. [Assuming his boss was involved in something contrary to the rules and codes of the organisation he works for.] So what you're saying is that Goonswarm could ask Sreegs to fire Hilmar, and we could run CCP?
Is Hilmar giving out free titans? |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
977
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:28:00 -
[242] - Quote
I'm sure he could be. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:31:00 -
[243] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:I'm sure he could be.
Well as long as all the facts fly in the face of logic or reason, then why not.
Free titans for everybody. |
Leisha Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:32:00 -
[244] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Is Hilmar giving out free titans?
Yeah, didn't you know ?
They're handing them out at Jita 4-4 You just have to get them out of Highsec somehow Or mail the Op and ask him what the secret is, he won't tell me..... |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
905
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:24:00 -
[245] - Quote
"Soundwaffe".
Christ |
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Kell Tarhun
The Crooked Path En Garde
15
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:25:00 -
[246] - Quote
In my personal opinion your post is true in way too much descriptive way. So you just made self inside troubles.
In my country there is a quote: "Give a horse to guy so he can run away as he speaks true"....how about a space ship instead of a horse. |
Maeltstome
Epidemic. F0RCEFUL ENTRY
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:27:00 -
[247] - Quote
Years ago certain CCP employee's where caught giving t2 BPO's (Before invention) to BoB alliance... literally allowing them to print there own money for well over a year. I think CCP became more strict about monitoring employee activity after that though.
The problem is though that a simple database query can reveal un-tapped high-yield moons anywhere in eve really, and although this is a much more subtle form of exploitation (and only 1 of many) it's still just as lucrative.
This isn't WoW, one persons success directly hurts other competitors in Eve and that means allowing employee's to play eve is really not a good idea. Trusting your staff is one thing, but thinking that every one of them is beyond reproach is simple gullibility. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:27:00 -
[248] - Quote
Kell Tarhun wrote:In my personal opinion your post is true in way too much descriptive way. So you just made self inside troubles.
In my country there is a quote: "Give a horse to guy so he can run away as he speaks true"....how about a space ship instead of a horse.
Could you rephrase that? It didn't really come across well. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:28:00 -
[249] - Quote
Maeltstome wrote:The problem is though that a simple database query can reveal un-tapped high-yield moons anywhere in eve really, and although this is a much more subtle form of exploitation (and only 1 of many) it's still just as lucrative.
Why would you think database interaction like that wouldn't be logged and flagged for review? In places where I've worked, even just logging into certain databases raises alarms that need to be acknowledged.
But I'm completely sure that everyone at CCP can just log onto the production database whenever they feel like it with no sort of monitoring in place.
PS: A better solution than a simple database query is offering a 100m isk bounty for each money moon found. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
215
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:46:00 -
[250] - Quote
I find it rather amusing that when suggestions are put forth by CFC members on the CSM or made by CFC members through reps on the CSM (and lo and behold, they benefit people other than CFC members too~) that this is some sort of sign of favoritism and not the system of suggest and receive working as intended.
Everyone whining about tech moons must have a short memory over the 30~ times that The Mittani himself pushed for a change in the structure of the tech bottleneck. Waving your arms and saying "but it hasn't happened yet" is pretty childish on face. I'd suggest making up your minds. Either we have CCP by the balls and they buy into all of our demands or they don't. If they aren't nerfing the tech that we have been petitioning them to fix, then clearly they don't take their marching orders from us.
I do find it rather funny the hate boner that some of these people have for the CFC for whatever reason so they can only see new things being added to the game (like the Tornados I personally love flying outside of fleets or in small gangs) as some sort of gift only to one group or another. If that were the case, I wouldn't have lost that one ratting drake to a Talos jumping into my anom. |
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
215
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:47:00 -
[251] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:"Soundwaffe". Christ Wear it with pride Sir! |
Hroya
42
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:59:00 -
[252] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:"Soundwaffe". Christ
Actually i think it's a cool name. Do i refference it to some sort of organisation ? Nop. It's just a name. A label doesnt dictate the contence.
My third name is Adolf. It was my uncles name who died in ww2. I wear it with pride. Poor sob shot himself in a bunker in Berlin and .. err .. oops!... nop ..that wasnt him. I mean he did die in ww2 but under completely different circumstances and was just an ordinairy child.
Dont worrie about such labels, someone who is labeled an idiot but is happy with his life can just shrug such labels off.
You go your corridor but. |
Enuen Ravenseye
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
38
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:00:00 -
[253] - Quote
Maeltstome wrote:The problem is though that a simple database query can reveal un-tapped high-yield moons anywhere in eve really, and although this is a much more subtle form of exploitation (and only 1 of many) it's still just as lucrative.
Or you could just go to Dotlan - you know, the very public website - and look up all that info for free.
Or do Goons somehow control Dotlan now too? My God, it's a conspiracy at the highest levels - Goons now control public websites as well as CCP! Is there no end to their power????
I bet those bastards are tied up with the world economic crisis too. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
625
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:03:00 -
[254] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:I do find it rather funny the hate boner that some of these people have for the CFC for whatever reason so they can only see new things being added to the game (like the Tornados I personally love flying outside of fleets or in small gangs) as some sort of gift only to one group or another.. Mmm, a hate boner ... great image there.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1408
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:03:00 -
[255] - Quote
Didn't read the thread but I'll just throw this in here.
Devs have access to every bit of information in the game. They know me. They know if I'm alt boosting a thread. They know which other accts are on my credit card. They know which other accts are linked to my email. They know which corps all my characters are in.
In other words, they know every spy in the game. This can be a big temptation for a DEV in a large alliance and information that can be given with no risk to his job.
That is one example. There are dozens of ways the game can be skewed without real life risk to someone with no morals. And let's face it... no morals is the cornerstone of this game. This should rightfully be a concern to regular players.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Josef Djugashvilis
153
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:04:00 -
[256] - Quote
This really needs to stop.
If anyone thinks they have evidence of wrong doing by any member of CCP staff, then they should use the appropriate channel to deal with the matter.
Simply bad mouthing the folk who provide us with the game we all choose to play in a public forum, is not worthy of the player base and is unfair to CCP. You want fries with that? |
Dray Cil
Dragonfire Industries
21
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:06:00 -
[257] - Quote
I'm starting to remember why I quit the game after 2 years of play 2005-2007. The whole dev-inside-BoB controversy (especially when I was in the middle of the nullsec wars) pissed me off so much I ragequit.
Came back in february of this year (new character) and I'm hearing the same old **** again. I had hopes with the "internal affairs" dept. but even that is corrupt.
Dray
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Dray Cil
Dragonfire Industries
21
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:07:00 -
[258] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:This really needs to stop.
If anyone thinks they have evidence of wrong doing by any member of CCP staff, then they should use the appropriate channel to deal with the matter.
Simply bad mouthing the folk who provide us with the game we all choose to play in a public forum, is not worthy of the player base and is unfair to CCP.
How to stop such threads? a DEV POST clarifying the matter!
BRILLIANT!
Dray |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3697
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:10:00 -
[259] - Quote
Hroya wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:"Soundwaffe". Christ Actually i think it's a cool name. Do i refference it to some sort of organisation ? Nop. It's just a name. A label doesnt dictate the contence. My third name is Adolf. It was my uncles name who died in ww2. I wear it with pride. Poor sob shot himself in a bunker in Berlin and .. err .. oops!... nop ..that wasnt him. I mean he did die in ww2 but under completely different circumstances and was just an ordinairy child. Dont worrie about such labels, someone who is labeled an idiot but is happy with his life can just shrug such labels off.
Yeah it's not that he's being linked to a certain unitesticular middle european dictator, but that he's being linked to Goonwaffe.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Josef Djugashvilis
153
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:11:00 -
[260] - Quote
Dray Cil wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:This really needs to stop.
If anyone thinks they have evidence of wrong doing by any member of CCP staff, then they should use the appropriate channel to deal with the matter.
Simply bad mouthing the folk who provide us with the game we all choose to play in a public forum, is not worthy of the player base and is unfair to CCP. How to stop such threads? a DEV POST clarifying the matter! BRILLIANT! Dray
Firstly, I wish I was as Dev.
Secondly, if I was, I would ban anyone making unfounded allegations in a public forum.
CCP needs this like a hole in the head. You want fries with that? |
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Dray Cil
Dragonfire Industries
21
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:14:00 -
[261] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dray Cil wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:This really needs to stop.
If anyone thinks they have evidence of wrong doing by any member of CCP staff, then they should use the appropriate channel to deal with the matter.
Simply bad mouthing the folk who provide us with the game we all choose to play in a public forum, is not worthy of the player base and is unfair to CCP. How to stop such threads? a DEV POST clarifying the matter! BRILLIANT! Dray Firstly, I wish I was as Dev. Secondly, if I was, I would ban anyone making unfounded allegations in a public forum. CCP needs this like a hole in the head.
Duhrr....Like I was actually insinuating that you were a dev in the first place.
(that was sarcasm if you didn't get it yet...) |
Josef Djugashvilis
153
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:19:00 -
[262] - Quote
Dray Cil wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dray Cil wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:This really needs to stop.
If anyone thinks they have evidence of wrong doing by any member of CCP staff, then they should use the appropriate channel to deal with the matter.
Simply bad mouthing the folk who provide us with the game we all choose to play in a public forum, is not worthy of the player base and is unfair to CCP. How to stop such threads? a DEV POST clarifying the matter! BRILLIANT! Dray Firstly, I wish I was as Dev. Secondly, if I was, I would ban anyone making unfounded allegations in a public forum. CCP needs this like a hole in the head. Duhrr....Like I was actually insinuating that you were a dev in the first place. (that was sarcasm if you didn't get it yet...)
Sorry, was an attempt to be funny on my part You want fries with that? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3697
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:19:00 -
[263] - Quote
Man I wish I had bought tinfoil futures back in the day Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Hroya
42
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:21:00 -
[264] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:
Yeah it's not that he's being linked to a certain unitesticular middle european dictator, but that he's being linked to Goonwaffe.
I did get that, i was mearly throwing in some mildly funny association example. But regardless, the name sounds cool
You go your corridor but. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
230
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:21:00 -
[265] - Quote
I would like to request a specific "Tinfoil Hat" section of the forums. Let all the "foilers" rage away over there where they can be ignored properly.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Josef Djugashvilis
153
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:23:00 -
[266] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Man I wish I had bought tinfoil futures back in the day
Must be some Eve players living near me.
Local shops clean out of tinfoil You want fries with that? |
Francisco Bizzaro
92
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:24:00 -
[267] - Quote
Has anyone proposed a better alternative to having Devs actually play the game?
Frankly, I'm pretty happy if they've got some hands-on experience ... because otherwise they might have to go to the forums to find out how their game is doing.
Imagine what kind of a distorted reality that can lead to. |
Josef Djugashvilis
153
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:24:00 -
[268] - Quote
Hroya wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Yeah it's not that he's being linked to a certain unitesticular middle european dictator, but that he's being linked to Goonwaffe.
I did get that, i was mearly throwing in some mildly funny association example. But regardless, the name sounds cool
I was not aware that D. Cameron only had one testicle. You want fries with that? |
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CCP Arkanon
C C P
18
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:25:00 -
[269] - Quote
As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is [email protected]
That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on. CCP Arkanon - Internal Affairs |
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:26:00 -
[270] - Quote
Dray Cil wrote:Came back in february of this year (new character) and I'm hearing the same old **** again. I had hopes with the "internal affairs" dept. but even that is corrupt.
That's the point though, the people who are 'saying the same old **** again' don't have any evidence this time. In fact they're ignoring the all the evidence that says they are wrong.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4155
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:30:00 -
[271] - Quote
soundwaffe
that's p. witty gg "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Francisco Bizzaro
92
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:34:00 -
[272] - Quote
Dray Cil wrote:Came back in february of this year (new character) and I'm hearing the same old **** again. I had hopes with the "internal affairs" dept. but even that is corrupt.
Don't blow your cover, Serpico. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
932
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:41:00 -
[273] - Quote
So... when people's questions of "do the devs even play Eve anymore?" came back with a response of "yes", the reaction is to make sure that the devs do not play Eve? Clever. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:45:00 -
[274] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:If you suspect any CCP emplyoees of favoritism you should report the incident to CCP's Internal Affairs team via [email protected]. As a result of last year's company reorganization Internal Affairs is part of the Security team lead by Darius JOHNSON (aka CCP Sreegs) which will ensure that your complaints are investigated in a most neutral & objective manner. So you haven't heard what the EVEO forums have to say about Darius JOHNSON no idea what they think about Darius but i know they love CCP Sreegs long time (because he's the AntiBot or something) This is either a skilled troll or the guy really doesn't know about DJ's past affiliations...
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Dray Cil
Dragonfire Industries
21
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:46:00 -
[275] - Quote
Francisco Bizzaro wrote:Dray Cil wrote:Came back in february of this year (new character) and I'm hearing the same old **** again. I had hopes with the "internal affairs" dept. but even that is corrupt.
Don't blow your cover, Serpico.
I am not Serpico, whoever he is.
Dray
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1818
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:54:00 -
[276] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:So... when people's questions of "do the devs even play Eve anymore?" came back with a response of "yes", the reaction is to make sure that the devs do not play Eve? Clever.
Yes, well, these folks aren't the brightest stars in the sky.
On a related note, I find the references to past Dev misdeeds amusing.
If you believed what was written here, BOB owned the game and had limitless wealth bestowed upon them.
What they got was a few low value T2 BPO's (a Destroyer print was the most lucurative by far) that all together added up to less income for BoB a month than I make in my spare time. Those prints were used because they were handy, not due to any noticable (on an alliance level) volume of ISK they produced.
What T20 did should not be allowed, was not allowed, and sparked much better procedures to ensure it will be caught if attempted again... but stop trying to make it sound like BOB had the game handed to them on a silver platter. Everyone present at the time that actually bothered to become familiar with the details of the situation knows better. Sensationalistic bullshit, while amusing, gets old very quickly.
Now, get back to trying to shoot yourselves in the foot. The rest of us enjoy watching the train wreck.
Just be aware, if by some weird chance you actually convinced CCP to put themselves back out of actual gameplay, the rest of the EVE community can... and will... hold you responsible for damaging the game development process with this nonsense. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
335
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:00:00 -
[277] - Quote
Making baseless accusations involving people's actual real life careers is pretty fd up.
It just shows how unhinged some people here truly are. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3698
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:14:00 -
[278] - Quote
CCP Arkanon wrote:As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is [email protected]That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on.
Evidence? Proof?
That's GOON TALK, Mister CCP Arkanon. If that is your real name. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Dapud
5
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:16:00 -
[279] - Quote
What makes someone post like Josef Djugashvilis or Ranger 1, or strive to be a power hungry ISD volunteer hall monitor? They don't care about you, you know CCP doesn't care that you have no dignity or self respect and suck up to every authority figure you can find. Why choose to live your life like that? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
405
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:16:00 -
[280] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:Making baseless accusations involving people's actual real life careers is pretty fd up.
It just shows how unhinged some people here truly are.
But teh goonies are ruinig mah gaem! Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
933
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:17:00 -
[281] - Quote
Dapud wrote:What makes someone post like Josef Djugashvilis or Ranger 1, or strive to be a power hungry ISD volunteer hall monitor? They don't care about you, you know CCP doesn't care that you have no dignity or self respect and suck up to every authority figure you can find. Why choose to live your life like that? Sometimes authority figures can even be correct. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
mocrt
Krait Corp Fidelas Constans
1
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:18:00 -
[282] - Quote
Visited looking for evidence...Left disappointed.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1818
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:21:00 -
[283] - Quote
Dapud wrote:What makes someone post like Josef Djugashvilis or Ranger 1, or strive to be a power hungry ISD volunteer hall monitor? They don't care about you, you know CCP doesn't care that you have no dignity or self respect and suck up to every authority figure you can find. Why choose to live your life like that?
I like the truth, it has a spicy after taste that I enjoy.
That and I prefer not to dissolve into hysterics due to baseless accusation. Call me old fashioned. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
stg slate
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:23:00 -
[284] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons. For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED. The player appealed, including the fact that the channel prohibits use of the channel for such things, and his loss of ISK but was flatly denied. Ironically, the MOTD changed the very next day and was sans the scam prohibition, only now WARNING against scams. CCP continued to LIE and claim that the MOTD had changed a month before the incident, which is still a complete LIE. Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase. This incident, in addition to anti-playerbase events such as 'Burn Jita' (trit was less after then it was before.. LOL!!), the sponsorship and basically now ownership of Hulkageddon, the custody of virtually every tech moon, every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group, a flaky 30-day suspension for virtually laughing away a human being's life, joke or not.... and so on and so forth. I had come to my own personal conclusion that CCP and Goons have a deep, close relationship. Was I crazy or just looking for an answer that I could live with? Come to find out, one of CCP's most active and out front employees representing EvE, CCP Soundwave, was a Goon director, even presenting for the alliance at FanFest : See it here. Ya like that little sickness you are feeling knowing that their frontman is a f*cking Goon at heart? Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game. There is just too much B*LLSHIT Goons get away with that would not be tolerated by any other group not friendly to them. I have to believe that there are countless more CCP employees in Goon corps and blues. These close relationships create a most unfair and unbalanced situation. Knowing beforehand changes that players are not aware of, being able to reposition and strategize before the rest of the playerbase is aware is absolutely UNETHICAL
If you replaced ever instance of GOON with BOB in the OPs post then this could have been a rant from back i nthe day when I first started playing :P |
Nevigrofnu Mrots
Heroes of the Past Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:47:00 -
[285] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons. For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED. The player appealed, including the fact that the channel prohibits use of the channel for such things, and his loss of ISK but was flatly denied. Ironically, the MOTD changed the very next day and was sans the scam prohibition, only now WARNING against scams. CCP continued to LIE and claim that the MOTD had changed a month before the incident, which is still a complete LIE. Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase. This incident, in addition to anti-playerbase events such as 'Burn Jita' (trit was less after then it was before.. LOL!!), the sponsorship and basically now ownership of Hulkageddon, the custody of virtually every tech moon, every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group, a flaky 30-day suspension for virtually laughing away a human being's life, joke or not.... and so on and so forth. I had come to my own personal conclusion that CCP and Goons have a deep, close relationship. Was I crazy or just looking for an answer that I could live with? Come to find out, one of CCP's most active and out front employees representing EvE, CCP Soundwave, was a Goon director, even presenting for the alliance at FanFest : See it here. Ya like that little sickness you are feeling knowing that their frontman is a f*cking Goon at heart?
All lies, disinformation and propaganda againts us. We represent the light side of new Eden.
We represent a Eve movement that offers neutral humanitarian care to the victims of Eve wars, the GSF distinguishes itself by also aiding victims of devastating ganking attacks. Over the years, this alliance has expanded its services, always with the aim of preventing and relieving suffering of players. We offer a santuary in 0.0 for players to rest and recover their traumas in peace, away from the other eve players that only sole purpose is to have fun by ruining your game.
Why don't you join us and see for yourself that we are good citizens of new Eden, all this stuff you hear about us are lies spread by the real bad people, don't belive them.
Contact any GSF member in game and ask him to help you apply and join GSF using the refugee status. |
Geddon4Life
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:53:00 -
[286] - Quote
I would not play a game the DEV's and GM's do not play themselves.
Killing people is legal
Scamming from recruitment channel did get goons banned for 14 days. Scamming is however legal in almost every way / shape / form.
Shooting any ship is legal, even if your wife have cancer and is about to die and the ship you fly is an Imperial Navy Apoc that cost you all your isk and you have your cargo hold full of valuables (BPO/PBC) and is moving inside a 1.0 sec system.
taking any moon you can hold is legal.
And once it is allowed to self destruct a station, with ALL equipment/ships/blueprints/clones inside, expect GOONs / PL and other marauding alliances taking over, and destroying HUGE amount of 'stuff'. (That will help with inflation)
If you see any goons exploiting, please report it via forums. If you just petition it, it is less fun for me.
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Josef Djugashvilis
153
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:49:00 -
[287] - Quote
Dapud wrote:What makes someone post like Josef Djugashvilis or Ranger 1, or strive to be a power hungry ISD volunteer hall monitor? They don't care about you, you know CCP doesn't care that you have no dignity or self respect and suck up to every authority figure you can find. Why choose to live your life like that?
Talking sense is not always the same thing as 'sucking up to authority'
Folk should either provide evidence of wrong doing to the appropriate department, or stop posting utter tripe. You want fries with that? |
Bane Necran
478
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:59:00 -
[288] - Quote
Dapud wrote:What makes someone post like Josef Djugashvilis or Ranger 1
Ranger 1 used to be pretty cool, and bring a lot to discussions. Now he's just another rigid thinker.
I don't know what happened. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Wollari
Phoenix Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:07:00 -
[289] - Quote
Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Or do Goons somehow control Dotlan now too? My God, it's a conspiracy at the highest levels - Goons now control public websites as well as CCP! Is there no end to their power????
LOL, cool theory. I haven't joined goons yet ... but don't bring me to any funny ideas :-)
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
627
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:10:00 -
[290] - Quote
Wollari wrote:Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Or do Goons somehow control Dotlan now too? My God, it's a conspiracy at the highest levels - Goons now control public websites as well as CCP! Is there no end to their power???? LOL, cool theory. I haven't joined goons yet ... but don't bring me to any funny ideas :-) You'll be brainwashed.
One day you'll be staring as 200 ships shoot some random structure somewhere and hear Boat ranting about some bullshit and you'll be nodding your head and thinking "he's actually not that bad."
And then you'll realize the depths to which you've fallen. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
83
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:11:00 -
[291] - Quote
4,000 views in 1 day. I'm awesome.
Just want to say thanks to all the participants in the discussion. You will notice that I left the discussion to all of you and left it alone until now but for many It was a topic that had to be addressed. My own opinions on the matter have been persuaded both ways somewhat by and I hope that most have seen another point-of-view that may have done the same for you.
That'll do pig... that'll do.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
602
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:12:00 -
[292] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Wollari wrote:Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Or do Goons somehow control Dotlan now too? My God, it's a conspiracy at the highest levels - Goons now control public websites as well as CCP! Is there no end to their power???? LOL, cool theory. I haven't joined goons yet ... but don't bring me to any funny ideas :-) You'll be brainwashed. One day you'll be staring as 200 ships shoot some random structure somewhere and hear Boat ranting about some bullshit and you'll be nodding your head and thinking "he's actually not that bad." And then you'll realize the depths to which you've fallen. ^---True story. I'm an eyewitness. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
629
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:16:00 -
[293] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Wollari wrote:LOL, cool theory. I haven't joined goons yet ... but don't bring me to any funny ideas :-) You'll be brainwashed. One day you'll be staring as 200 ships shoot some random structure somewhere and hear Boat ranting about some bullshit and you'll be nodding your head and thinking "he's actually not that bad." And then you'll realize the depths to which you've fallen. ^---True story. I'm an eyewitness. I.. I don't know what to say. I am sorry for your loss.
I've actually somehow avoided boat rants despite being on a bunch of his fleets. Very odd. Though in Burn Jita we did get to hear him almost jerking off after killing those Abaddons and camping Moar tears/whoever into stations and reminding everyone how Boat, the great nullsec FC was kicking those highsec pvpers with his big fleet of drakes and tornado support. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team
82
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:31:00 -
[294] - Quote
Hate Goons Everyday I like my coffee like I like my men. In a plastic cup http://aracimia.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Jonah Gravenstein
284
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:37:00 -
[295] - Quote
Goons, a polarising force within Eve, you can love them from what they do or hate them for what they do, but they are here to stay and they do create a metric shitload of content and headlines for CCP.
They have a rightly deserved reputation for being asshats, but they're our asshats. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team
82
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:38:00 -
[296] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Goons, a polarising force within Eve, you can love them from what they do or hate them for what they do, but they are here to stay and they do create a metric shitload of content and headlines for CCP.
They have a rightly deserved reputation for being asshats, but they're our asshats.
EVE Marmite I like my coffee like I like my men. In a plastic cup http://aracimia.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1821
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:33:00 -
[297] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Dapud wrote:What makes someone post like Josef Djugashvilis or Ranger 1 Ranger 1 used to be pretty cool, and bring a lot to discussions. Now he's just another rigid thinker. I don't know what happened.
We just ended up on different sides of the fence on this one.
It happens, no hard feelings.
if someone had any actual evidence of favoritism I'd absolutely look it over.
Game mechanic changes have and will happen frequently. Some have favored the Goons (and other Null Alliances), while others have decidedly not. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Potatoeman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:57:00 -
[298] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote: :words:
Lizard people you say? |
Contagion
Chaotic dynamics
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:04:00 -
[299] - Quote
I disagree with the OP. A game that the devs don't play would be an awful game. The fact that they do play is great because it means they see some of the same annoyances as we do and that gives them a chance to fix them. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
758
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:19:00 -
[300] - Quote
The thing about the Goons is that they represent everything that you should expect from every player in EVE. They scam, they lie, they gank and they are jerks on local.
And that is perfectly fine, like i said. The players and what they are allowed to do are what makes EVE different from every other MMO (ok, other than UO). Goons only display where that limit lies all in one package. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
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Enuen Ravenseye
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
38
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:45:00 -
[301] - Quote
Potatoeman wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote: :words: Lizard people you say?
Lumie, is that you?!?! (FoH reference) |
Kyoko Sakoda
Veto. Veto Corp
87
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:48:00 -
[302] - Quote
Posting in a haet thread. |
Son IamaDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:50:00 -
[303] - Quote
Oh, one of these threads again. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
630
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:53:00 -
[304] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Goons, a polarising force within Eve, you can love them from what they do or hate them for what they do, but they are here to stay and they do create a metric shitload of content and headlines for CCP.
They have a rightly deserved reputation for being asshats, but they're our asshats. You might also be them, very important to know as you might love or hate them while being one. Even as you reset them.. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1509
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:48:00 -
[305] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:"Soundwaffe". Christ
haha...
hahahaha...
*cough*
....
......
AHAHAHAAHAHAHA ...
*brrreeaaaatttheeee*
AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
71
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:02:00 -
[306] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons. For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED. The player appealed, including the fact that the channel prohibits use of the channel for such things, and his loss of ISK but was flatly denied. Ironically, the MOTD changed the very next day and was sans the scam prohibition, only now WARNING against scams. CCP continued to LIE and claim that the MOTD had changed a month before the incident, which is still a complete LIE. Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase. This incident, in addition to anti-playerbase events such as 'Burn Jita' (trit was less after then it was before.. LOL!!), the sponsorship and basically now ownership of Hulkageddon, the custody of virtually every tech moon, every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group, a flaky 30-day suspension for virtually laughing away a human being's life, joke or not.... and so on and so forth. I had come to my own personal conclusion that CCP and Goons have a deep, close relationship. Was I crazy or just looking for an answer that I could live with? Come to find out, one of CCP's most active and out front employees representing EvE, CCP Soundwave, was a Goon director, even presenting for the alliance at FanFest : See it here. Ya like that little sickness you are feeling knowing that their frontman is a f*cking Goon at heart? Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game. There is just too much B*LLSHIT Goons get away with that would not be tolerated by any other group not friendly to them. I have to believe that there are countless more CCP employees in Goon corps and blues. These close relationships create a most unfair and unbalanced situation. Knowing beforehand changes that players are not aware of, being able to reposition and strategize before the rest of the playerbase is aware is absolutely UNETHICAL
1. Worst presentation of an issue ever 2. OP 100% missed the whole point of this game, in other games you have some lame NPC mega[corp|nation|clan] EVE's "evil megacorp" is player made in the sandbox, it's a good thing dummy 3. Employees play the games they develop, xhit happens, I am quite sure they don't get pixel perks..
lol, OMG that dev is launching fighters from his cruiser drone bay!! |
Yalneg Splet
Army of Caldari Elitists
10
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:04:00 -
[307] - Quote
Also the Goons and their Dev friends shaved my cat and TP'd my house |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
82
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:25:00 -
[308] - Quote
Oh goons, you so bad. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
632
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:26:00 -
[309] - Quote
Yalneg Splet wrote:Also the Goons and their Dev friends shaved my cat and TP'd my house Target Painter IIs, with bonuses?
Oh it's because the titan was having trouble hitting it with turrets, right? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Kriegman
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:33:00 -
[310] - Quote
PERMA BAN ALL CCP DEVS!!! Problem solved. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
632
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:33:00 -
[311] - Quote
Kriegman wrote:PERMA BAN ALL CCP DEVS!!! Problem solved. Then who would cod-
Oh, I see what you're getting at ... it's actually so they can't nerf tech, isn't it? Clever... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Amitious Turkey
The Scope Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:45:00 -
[312] - Quote
Yalneg Splet wrote:Also the Goons and their Dev friends shaved my cat and TP'd my house
They stole my goat :( I like to lick things.
Haunting the forums since 03. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
344
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:50:00 -
[313] - Quote
Amitious Turkey wrote:They stole my goat :(
You do NOT want that goat back now. Trust me...
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
80
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:55:00 -
[314] - Quote
I still dont understand how people can get then and than mixed up. Really fucks with my head when im reading otherwise exemplary posts such as the op's.
Oh and soundwaffe... genious |
Bane Necran
478
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:01:00 -
[315] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:We just ended up on different sides of the fence on this one.
Now that i think about it, It's been everything even remotely goon related. Which nearly everything has been since i've returned. You seem to always come to their aid. I assume your main is one, or something, which is fine.
I look forward to them not being the subject du jour here day after day. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
374
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Posted - 2012.05.09 02:04:00 -
[316] - Quote
Urp-splosion tyme naow? In irae, veritas. |
Panacani
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.05.09 02:07:00 -
[317] - Quote
Soundwave seems like an ok dude from the dev blogs/vlogs and tourny I've seen him in. He plays the game - a specific way, like everyone does - and definately has a bias toward his style of play (whatever that may be). He can try to be objective, but it's just not possible to be completely neutral when you are invested in the gameplay. To say otherwise means you don't understand human nature.
I'm not saying hes completely bias toward the newbie ganking, scaming, laughing at suicidal folks kind of guy, but he has 'favorite' features like we all do. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1033
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Posted - 2012.05.09 02:17:00 -
[318] - Quote
Hey, it's I don't give a ****-o clock and this thread is still up. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6493
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Posted - 2012.05.09 02:22:00 -
[319] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Now that i think about it, It's been everything even remotely goon related. Which nearly everything has been since i've returned. You seem to always come to their aid. I assume your main is one, or something, which is fine. GǪor maybe most of the anti-goon ranting has been unadulterated, foaming-at-the-mouth nonsense, and Ranger 1 would prefer that people actually had a rational point to make instead. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.05.09 03:14:00 -
[320] - Quote
Forums ate my post. :smith: |
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.05.09 03:14:00 -
[321] - Quote
stg slate wrote:[If you replaced ever instance of GOON with BOB in the OPs post then this could have been a rant from back i nthe day when I first started playing :P
Also, didn't know CCP Soundwave was a goon. Isn't that new security guy a goon too? Screegs or whatever his name is?
There are a few significant differences though, which I will write in a numbered list for ease of consumption:
1. There was proof of corruption with regard to devs inside BoB. There isn't even a hint of evidence in this case.
2. There were no 'checks and balances' to prevent dev corruption at the time. There is now a unit dedicated to stamping out this sort of corruption with an anonymous tip line.
3. BoB leadership actively worked to defend their hideous gameplay advantage by lobbying against nerfs and fixes through their internal contacts. GSF actively works to get broken gameplay mechanics like technetium, 'the supercapital issue' fixed using legitimate methods like publicity stunts (doomsdaying a carrier to death, burn jita, etc), networking with the media (remember incarna-gate) and our CSM influence (welp). I can't think of any other 'player groups' that have worked harder to 'improve' eve-online as a platform while putting just as much effort into scamming and devouring the souls of individual players.
4. Dianabolic (as BoB alliance leadership) tried to defend corrupt behavior by saying 'even devs need friends'. I don't speak for GSF as a whole, but if you do have any evidence of corruption: let's get some drama happening. Get that **** mailed in, posted, it'll be great. Drama is the secret energy that fuels GSF dark engine room.
The hidden secret of GSF that we must always strive to keep hidden, laying waste to the knowing like a Blood Raven primarch is that we all enjoy playing eve online and want it to succeed so that we can keep playing eve online.
Huge space empire hijinks and publicity stunts like Burn Jita bring new people in and driving changes to key issues like incarna-gate, supercarrier-gate, and technetium-gate (**** you Nixon) keeps the game from stagnating to the point it did in 2009 when 0.0 turned into a massive global cold war.
Dev corruption is anathema to GSF for just this reason, it drives players away by the bucket load and has the potential to destroy the game permanently.
So I'm not asking people to trust GSF [because that would be astonishingly stupid at best], but take a second to consider whether the day old NPC corp alt really has the best interests of the game at heart when they continue to attack at CCP using the time proven weapons of 'fear uncertainty and doubt'. Because if there was tangible evidence of corruption that CCP Internal Affairs wasn't stamping out, you'd be reading about it on the Wall Street Journal already. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6498
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 03:19:00 -
[322] - Quote
PffGǪ you know you're going to get kicked out of both the EVE forums and SA if you're going to be that reasonable, right? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
639
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 03:35:00 -
[323] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:[ I don't speak for GSF as a whole, but if you do have any evidence of corruption: let's get some drama happening. Get that **** mailed in, posted, it'll be great. Drama is the secret energy that fuels GSF dark engine room.
The hidden secret of GSF that we must always strive to keep hidden, laying waste to the knowing like a Blood Raven primarch is that we all enjoy playing eve online and want it to succeed so that we can keep playing eve online. On now you've brought up the Blood Raven primarch ...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
410
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 03:39:00 -
[324] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:stg slate wrote:[If you replaced ever instance of GOON with BOB in the OPs post then this could have been a rant from back i nthe day when I first started playing :P
Also, didn't know CCP Soundwave was a goon. Isn't that new security guy a goon too? Screegs or whatever his name is? There are a few significant differences though, which I will write in a numbered list for ease of consumption: 1. There was proof of corruption with regard to devs inside BoB. There isn't even a hint of evidence in this case. 2. There were no 'checks and balances' to prevent dev corruption at the time. There is now a unit dedicated to stamping out this sort of corruption with an anonymous tip line. 3. BoB leadership actively worked to defend their hideous gameplay advantage by lobbying against nerfs and fixes through their internal contacts. GSF actively works to get broken gameplay mechanics like technetium, 'the supercapital issue' fixed using legitimate methods like publicity stunts (doomsdaying a carrier to death, burn jita, etc), networking with the media (remember incarna-gate) and our CSM influence (welp). I can't think of any other 'player groups' that have worked harder to 'improve' eve-online as a platform while putting just as much effort into scamming and devouring the souls of individual players. 4. Dianabolic (as BoB alliance leadership) tried to defend corrupt behavior by saying 'even devs need friends'. I don't speak for GSF as a whole, but if you do have any evidence of corruption: let's get some drama happening. Get that **** mailed in, posted, it'll be great. Drama is the secret energy that fuels GSF dark engine room. The hidden secret of GSF that we must always strive to keep hidden, laying waste to the knowing like a Blood Raven primarch is that we all enjoy playing eve online and want it to succeed so that we can keep playing eve online. Huge space empire hijinks and publicity stunts like Burn Jita bring new people in and driving changes to key issues like incarna-gate, supercarrier-gate, and technetium-gate (**** you Nixon) keeps the game from stagnating to the point it did in 2009 when 0.0 turned into a massive global cold war. Dev corruption is anathema to GSF for just this reason, it drives players away by the bucket load and has the potential to destroy the game permanently. So I'm not asking people to trust GSF [because that would be astonishingly stupid at best], but take a second to consider whether the day old NPC corp alt really has the best interests of the game at heart when they continue to attack at CCP using the time proven weapons of 'fear uncertainty and doubt'. Because if there was tangible evidence of corruption that CCP Internal Affairs wasn't stamping out, you'd be reading about it on the Wall Street Journal already.
Luckily, since you are a Goon everyone can safely ignore your logical argument in favor of more irrational Goon and CCP hate. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
640
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 03:53:00 -
[325] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Luckily, since you are a Goon everyone can safely ignore your logical argument in favor of more irrational Goon and CCP hate. If only you were a day old NPC corp forums alt, everyone trusts those Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
410
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 03:55:00 -
[326] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Luckily, since you are a Goon everyone can safely ignore your logical argument in favor of more irrational Goon and CCP hate. If only you were a day old NPC corp forums alt, everyone trusts those
Day old NPC forums alts can be trusted because they have no emotional or financial investment in anything. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
640
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 03:58:00 -
[327] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Luckily, since you are a Goon everyone can safely ignore your logical argument in favor of more irrational Goon and CCP hate. If only you were a day old NPC corp forums alt, everyone trusts those Day old NPC forums alts can be trusted because they have no emotional or financial investment in anything. Also, their expertise. So much of it... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
414
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Posted - 2012.05.09 04:07:00 -
[328] - Quote
Maybe we could compromise with the OP? Instead of all the Devs being kicked from the game, we could have all the regular, Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Anton Vandervecken
Bears With A Negative Attitude
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 04:16:00 -
[329] - Quote
Good grief, someone ELSE is screaming about this?
Two little words: "Caveat emptor". If you don't like the game, vote with your feet. 'Retreat, hell - we just got here!' |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6500
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Posted - 2012.05.09 04:20:00 -
[330] - Quote
Anton Vandervecken wrote:If you don't like the game, vote with your feet. GǪbut I'm not dexterous enough with my toes to get that tiny form into the envelope.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
418
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Posted - 2012.05.09 04:21:00 -
[331] - Quote
Anton Vandervecken wrote:Good grief, someone ELSE is screaming about this? Two little words: "Caveat emptor". If you don't like the game, vote with your feet.
As long as Goons play in a game people will complain about this. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
640
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:23:00 -
[332] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Anton Vandervecken wrote:Good grief, someone ELSE is screaming about this? Two little words: "Caveat emptor". If you don't like the game, vote with your feet. As long as Goons play in a game people will complain about this. So the solution is to just "remove" us all?
Uh oh ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.05.09 04:33:00 -
[333] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Anton Vandervecken wrote:Good grief, someone ELSE is screaming about this? Two little words: "Caveat emptor". If you don't like the game, vote with your feet. As long as Goons play in a game people will complain about this.
And then they'd just move onto the next big bad guy. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
419
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:40:00 -
[334] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Anton Vandervecken wrote:Good grief, someone ELSE is screaming about this? Two little words: "Caveat emptor". If you don't like the game, vote with your feet. As long as Goons play in a game people will complain about this. So the solution is to just "remove" us all? Uh oh ...
The solution is that Goons need to be banned from playing any video game, ever. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1229
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Posted - 2012.05.09 04:42:00 -
[335] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Anton Vandervecken wrote:Good grief, someone ELSE is screaming about this? Two little words: "Caveat emptor". If you don't like the game, vote with your feet. As long as Goons play in a game people will complain about this. So the solution is to just "remove" us all? Uh oh ... The solution is that Goons need to be banned from playing any video game, ever.
That would be amazingly healthy for us. It's probably a good idea. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:48:00 -
[336] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Anton Vandervecken wrote:Good grief, someone ELSE is screaming about this? Two little words: "Caveat emptor". If you don't like the game, vote with your feet. As long as Goons play in a game people will complain about this. So the solution is to just "remove" us all? Uh oh ... The solution is that Goons need to be banned from playing any video game, ever. That would be amazingly healthy for us. It's probably a good idea. You'd think so, but ...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
419
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:49:00 -
[337] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: You'd think so, but ...
It might be healthy for us, but it wouldn't be healthy for anyone else. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 04:53:00 -
[338] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: You'd think so, but ...
It might be healthy for us, but it wouldn't be healthy for anyone else. Oh my, is that so? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
420
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Posted - 2012.05.09 04:57:00 -
[339] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: You'd think so, but ...
It might be healthy for us, but it wouldn't be healthy for anyone else. Oh my, is that so?
Who else would keep the drooling masses in line? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
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Posted - 2012.05.09 05:03:00 -
[340] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: You'd think so, but ...
It might be healthy for us, but it wouldn't be healthy for anyone else. Oh my, is that so? Who else would keep the drooling masses in line? SirMolle. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
420
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Posted - 2012.05.09 05:04:00 -
[341] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: You'd think so, but ...
It might be healthy for us, but it wouldn't be healthy for anyone else. Oh my, is that so? Who else would keep the drooling masses in line? SirMolle.
Ohhhhhh, I get it now! Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.05.09 05:25:00 -
[342] - Quote
Anton Vandervecken wrote:Good grief, someone ELSE is screaming about this? Two little words: "Caveat emptor". If you don't like the game, vote with your feet.
I agree with this. Damn! Must be a lotta Goons in this thread all I see is red bars http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
645
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:36:00 -
[343] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:"Soundwaffe". Christ
Sounds good.
Everything that ends in "waffe" is awesome. Most things beginning with 'waffe' also kow I think on it.
ie: Waffe(l), Waffe(ls), Waffe(lmaker), etc. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:44:00 -
[344] - Quote
Hey guys, what's going on in here ? Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Freggan
Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking
14
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:02:00 -
[345] - Quote
Like anything in life if anyone fails a dis-advantage test then there is literally something unfair. So saying that I do really need to point out this is a game and by definition has looser standards than what we live by. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
114
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:10:00 -
[346] - Quote
CCP Arkanon wrote:As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is [email protected]That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on.
To play devil's advocate here, the likelyhood of an outsider dealing with the effect of misconduct ever being able to provide proof is almost impossible. It would always be at best a gut feeling.
Anyone inside of an alliance, particularly a multi thousand man alliance with the ability to use a CCP insider for information, reaping the benefits would be foolish to come forward with proof. I mean who inside of the Swarm would risk the permanent wrath of those thousands of people permanently in EVE? What proof could even they provide unless they were hands on with the scam? If one man claimed such and 7999 claimed otherwise whos really going to win? If 8000 people told ccp drop the investigation or we will all quit and cost you millions what's really going to happen?
I have faith in CCP to handle things I suppose, but an incident has happened in the past, not a minor one either. There are valid points being made. |
Milla Lekarariba
Mustang Freight and Industry
13
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:25:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:I'm mostly a hi sec player with an occasional roam into low when I get my buddies online. Having said that I seriously think that hi sec should quit whining and do something about it themselves. The supposed people who represent hi-sec players in the CSM could use their visibility to create some chaos at least. I'm not a huge fan of the goons, but at least they play and they have fun. If we don't like it we'd better show up or shut up.
This 100%
Goons are doing new and ground breaking things, and CCP are taking advantage of this, for example look at the Burn Jita dev blog to see all the things they have been able to learn from that one GOON event.
The thing is, there is nothing stopping any one player from creating a new alliance, and do new things like the Goons, just need leadership and isk.
Band of Brothers were once in a similar position, there were many issues regarding Dev favoritism, but I do not think Goons are the same, and would like to think that the devs learned from this, but again I say this, Goons are doing things that no-one else does, in a normal MMO they would be banned and outed in seconds, CCP love Goons, but not in the bad way that many people seem to think.
CCP love goons because they constantly test the game, they push the boundaries, find those loopholes, bugs and exploits for which CCP can then correct.
People really need to see the bigger picture here |
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
14
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:29:00 -
[348] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game.
Don't be silly. As is shown by the latest disaster on SiSi (Unified Inventory), most of the Devs don't have have a clue how people play the game as it is. If you stop the rest of them playing, God help us.... |
Comrade Obamba
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:48:00 -
[349] - Quote
The answer is to quit the game. If you don't like it quit in protest and go elsewhere for your gaming pleasure. There are tons of other games out there. The only thing threads like this do is give goons wanking material.
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.05.09 13:00:00 -
[350] - Quote
Milla Lekarariba wrote:
People really need to see the bigger picture here
This game involves something called ISK.
Look at the income CFC gets just in a single day from their Preciouses (moons). And that's just moons. They get POCO taxes too, and apparently all T2 production soon.
Now add up the high sec incomes in total.
That's why nothing gets done. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.05.09 16:19:00 -
[351] - Quote
Jesus christ forums. You are terrible. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.05.09 16:28:00 -
[352] - Quote
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Milla Lekarariba wrote:
People really need to see the bigger picture here
This game involves something called ISK. Look at the income CFC gets just in a single day from their Preciouses (moons). And that's just moons. They get POCO taxes too, and apparently all T2 production soon. Now add up the high sec incomes in total. That's why nothing gets done.
1. Everyone knows Hilmar is very susceptible to bribes in Isk. We roll up to Jita 4-4 and contract him stacks of technetium plated golems in exchange for.. well actually, that's the thing. Unlike BoB we don't -have- any T2 BPO's or anything we've gained or exploited unfairly.
2. GSF has been lobbying to get moon mining 'fixed' since they ****** up technetium in the first place. And even as we're lobbying, we're trying to figure out how to run our alliance after it's fixed because running a large alliance is ******* expensive.
3. The only reason you even know how much GSF earns is that we were the first alliance in eve to open our books to the public. No one from high sec had ever seen inside a large alliance before.
4. If we really had a direct line to CCP leadership, all the changes we lobbied for in the CSM would already be done. Instead, very few of them are done and as we don't have seats on the CSM anymore it's unlikely they will be. Make sure you check the minutes to see how hard the post-GSF CSM is working to correct things like this. (Rather than wanting more armour on hulks.) |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1370
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:56:00 -
[353] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is [email protected]That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on. To play devil's advocate here, the likelyhood of an outsider dealing with the effect of misconduct ever being able to provide proof is almost impossible. It would always be at best a gut feeling. Anyone inside of an alliance, particularly a multi thousand man alliance with the ability to use a CCP insider for information, reaping the benefits would be foolish to come forward with proof. I mean who inside of the Swarm would risk the permanent wrath of those thousands of people permanently in EVE? What proof could even they provide unless they were hands on with the scam? If one man claimed such and 7999 claimed otherwise whos really going to win? If 8000 people told ccp drop the investigation or we will all quit and cost you millions what's really going to happen? I have faith in CCP to handle things I suppose, but an incident has happened in the past, not a minor one either. There are valid points being made.
To play real guy in the real world here I typically don't formulate any kind of a conclusion unless there's some evidence that this conclusion actually exists. I certainly wouldn't toss about disparaging claims (some might say slanderous) about individual's honesty or ability to perform their job based on what my "gut" told me about someone I'd never met and knew only as a vague figure over the internet.
I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, but hey we all march to the beat of our own drums I suppose.
:edit: Go to your local police station and tell them your gut's telling you something fishy's going on with the local government. Make a really angry post on the internet about how they're part of the grand conspiracy when they explain to you that they can't help you because you've given them nothing to go on. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
314
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:07:00 -
[354] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:
[...]
I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, but hey we all march to the beat of our own drums I suppose.
:edit: Go to your local police station and tell them your gut's telling you something fishy's going on with the local government. Make a really angry post on the internet about how they're part of the grand conspiracy when they explain to you that they can't help you because you've given them nothing to go on.
Dev-burn, best burn. Braaaaaaaiiin... |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:09:00 -
[355] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is [email protected]That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on. To play devil's advocate here, the likelyhood of an outsider dealing with the effect of misconduct ever being able to provide proof is almost impossible. It would always be at best a gut feeling. Anyone inside of an alliance, particularly a multi thousand man alliance with the ability to use a CCP insider for information, reaping the benefits would be foolish to come forward with proof. I mean who inside of the Swarm would risk the permanent wrath of those thousands of people permanently in EVE? What proof could even they provide unless they were hands on with the scam? If one man claimed such and 7999 claimed otherwise whos really going to win? If 8000 people told ccp drop the investigation or we will all quit and cost you millions what's really going to happen? I have faith in CCP to handle things I suppose, but an incident has happened in the past, not a minor one either. There are valid points being made. To play real guy in the real world here I typically don't formulate any kind of a conclusion unless there's some evidence that this conclusion actually exists. I certainly wouldn't toss about disparaging claims (some might say slanderous) about individual's honesty or ability to perform their job based on what my "gut" told me about someone I'd never met and knew only as a vague figure over the internet. I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, but hey we all march to the beat of our own drums I suppose. :edit: Go to your local police station and tell them your gut's telling you something fishy's going on with the local government. Make a really angry post on the internet about how they're part of the grand conspiracy when they explain to you that they can't help you because you've given them nothing to go on.
I love you Sreegs, come back and talk to us. |
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
319
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:10:00 -
[356] - Quote
devpoaned |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
650
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:12:00 -
[357] - Quote
That was... interesting. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Davor
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:16:00 -
[358] - Quote
Lets see if I got this straight; Goons fight for years to make the game more balanced and fair to the "little guys," wow CCP with their bright ideas about this horrible game, then t20 themselves instantly upon reaching #1 power bloc status. ~*leans back*~
Yep, seems feasible.
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Vxrasa
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:18:00 -
[359] - Quote
CCP Sreegs: He is in your thread, controlling your game, having weird mind-sex with your mother. Like a fat Lucifer, he dons the mighty Air-man costume of drunken fanfest presentations and proceeds to spew forth light and glory on all of thy posts. |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:20:00 -
[360] - Quote
As long as CCP members play fair then they are no different than any other player.
If there are people in CCP cheering on the Goons, then I am sure there are people in CCP scorning them.
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:21:00 -
[361] - Quote
Vxrasa wrote:CCP Sreegs: He is in your thread, controlling your game, having weird mind-sex with your mother. Like a fat Lucifer, he dons the mighty Air-man costume of drunken fanfest presentations and proceeds to spew forth light and glory on all of thy posts.
I heard he wasn't fat anymore, because Icelandic food is gross. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
650
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:23:00 -
[362] - Quote
Davor wrote:Lets see if I got this straight; Goons fight for years to make the game more balanced and fair to the "little guys," wow CCP with their bright ideas about this horrible game, then t20 themselves instantly upon reaching #1 power bloc status. ~*leans back*~
Yep, seems feasible. It's the EVEO forums, the sky's the limit here. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
118
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:37:00 -
[363] - Quote
Yes, it's a conflict of interest, but it's a stupid move to bring the Goons or any other corp into your argument. You've now made this mostly about a particular group.
Anyway yes, CCP should be allowed to play the game, obviously, but (IMO) they should only be allowed in NPC corps, or corps that are CCP-only (and known only to CCP employees that the corp is CCP-only). That corp (or corps) should keep a low profile, and not get (too) involved in major conflicts, etc. |
Cathrine Kenchov
Ice Cold Ellites
4
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:56:00 -
[364] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is [email protected]That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on. To play devil's advocate here, the likelyhood of an outsider dealing with the effect of misconduct ever being able to provide proof is almost impossible. It would always be at best a gut feeling. Anyone inside of an alliance, particularly a multi thousand man alliance with the ability to use a CCP insider for information, reaping the benefits would be foolish to come forward with proof. I mean who inside of the Swarm would risk the permanent wrath of those thousands of people permanently in EVE? What proof could even they provide unless they were hands on with the scam? If one man claimed such and 7999 claimed otherwise whos really going to win? If 8000 people told ccp drop the investigation or we will all quit and cost you millions what's really going to happen? I have faith in CCP to handle things I suppose, but an incident has happened in the past, not a minor one either. There are valid points being made. To play real guy in the real world here I typically don't formulate any kind of a conclusion unless there's some evidence that this conclusion actually exists. I certainly wouldn't toss about disparaging claims (some might say slanderous) about individual's honesty or ability to perform their job based on what my "gut" told me about someone I'd never met and knew only as a vague figure over the internet. I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, but hey we all march to the beat of our own drums I suppose. :edit: Go to your local police station and tell them your gut's telling you something fishy's going on with the local government. Make a really angry post on the internet about how they're part of the grand conspiracy when they explain to you that they can't help you because you've given them nothing to go on.
Burrrrrrrrn
:edit: you may continue playing, CCP Screegs, but only if you continue to make sick burns like that to terrible questions & statements |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:31:00 -
[365] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada!
That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say.
That said, it's kinda weird when players get upset that they're not trusted in a game that takes pride in trust being the most rare and precious commodity. A game where some of the best and most famous stories involve deep betrayals and conspiracies stretching over years. Where that kind of betrayal is both expected and celebrated.
I mean, do you expect rational responses here? Really?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:37:00 -
[366] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! Evidence. Tada! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:37:00 -
[367] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say. That said, it's kinda weird when players get upset that they're not trusted in a game that takes pride in trust being the most rare and precious commodity. A game where some of the best and most famous stories involve deep betrayals and conspiracies stretching over years. Where that kind of betrayal is both expected and celebrated. I mean, do you expect rational responses here? Really?
We're talking about accusing developers in their real-life careers, not players in a game. Try to keep up.
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:57:00 -
[368] - Quote
Elise DarkStar wrote:Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say. That said, it's kinda weird when players get upset that they're not trusted in a game that takes pride in trust being the most rare and precious commodity. A game where some of the best and most famous stories involve deep betrayals and conspiracies stretching over years. Where that kind of betrayal is both expected and celebrated. I mean, do you expect rational responses here? Really? We're talking about accusing developers in their real-life careers, not players in a game. Try to keep up.
Oh, I thought the devs in question were playing.
If on the other hand you're going to argue that people only act rationally, I laugh long and loud directly in your face.
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:59:00 -
[369] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! Evidence. Tada!
Yep, and then it stopped being that horrible, horrible baseless whining. Evidence is all that counts.
Expecting that is is also all that people will react to is stupid. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3728
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:00:00 -
[370] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say. That said, it's kinda weird when players get upset that they're not trusted in a game that takes pride in trust being the most rare and precious commodity. A game where some of the best and most famous stories involve deep betrayals and conspiracies stretching over years. Where that kind of betrayal is both expected and celebrated. I mean, do you expect rational responses here? Really?
Except it wasn't just gut feeling, it was evidence.
Although there were plenty of accusations that weren't based on any evidence and were never proven later either, so I guess that proves black helicopters new world order chemtrails in Jita whargle garble Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:02:00 -
[371] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Oh, I thought the devs in question were playing.
No, you were responding directly to a quote about accusing devs of misconduct without any evidence
Malphilos wrote:If on the other hand you're going to argue that people only act rationally, I laugh long and loud directly in your face.
I am not trying to argue anything of the sort, nor is there any reasonable way you could draw such a conclusion from what you quoted.
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:04:00 -
[372] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say. That said, it's kinda weird when players get upset that they're not trusted in a game that takes pride in trust being the most rare and precious commodity. A game where some of the best and most famous stories involve deep betrayals and conspiracies stretching over years. Where that kind of betrayal is both expected and celebrated. I mean, do you expect rational responses here? Really? Except it wasn't just gut feeling, it was evidence. Although there were plenty of accusations that weren't based on any evidence and were never proven later either, so I guess that proves black helicopters new world order chemtrails in Jita whargle garble
Naw, there was plenty of loud griping without evidence about BoB and their dev pets. Expressing shock and horror that the same thing continues now seems silly.
Proves nothing except that the shoe, once placed on the other foot, seems a bit uncomfortable.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
173
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:07:00 -
[373] - Quote
Yes, stop playing EVE, CCP. That way people can go back to pissing and moaning about how you don't even play your own game. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:09:00 -
[374] - Quote
Elise DarkStar wrote:Malphilos wrote:Oh, I thought the devs in question were playing. No, you were responding directly to a quote about accusing devs of misconduct without any evidence
Devs who are also players. And I said it was not unprecedented, nor should it be unexpected. The fact that they're "real people" doesn't make any difference.
Malphilos wrote:If on the other hand you're going to argue that people only act rationally, I laugh long and loud directly in your face.
Elise DarkStar wrote: I am not trying to argue anything of the sort,....
Well good. What exactly is your problem then? That there isn't any evidence or that people shouldn't make accusations without evidence? That is to say that they should act rationally... no, that can't be it. You just said it wasn't. |
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:14:00 -
[375] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Devs who are also players. And I said it was not unprecedented, nor should it be unexpected. The fact that they're "real people" doesn't make any difference.
I suppose it's your prerogative to not distinguish between the relevance of the actions of players in a game compared to professionals in their careers. It makes you seem obtuse and idiotic, but your call.
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:40:00 -
[376] - Quote
Elise DarkStar wrote:Malphilos wrote:Devs who are also players. And I said it was not unprecedented, nor should it be unexpected. The fact that they're "real people" doesn't make any difference. I suppose it's your prerogative to not distinguish between the relevance of the actions of players in a game compared to professionals in their careers. It makes you seem obtuse and idiotic, but your call.
Not that I'll pretend to understand what you mean by " the relevance of the actions", but it's clear there is no overlap between players and employees. The gulf is so great that professional misconduct in any game, particularly this one, is impossible and could never happen. Moreover, and especially because of this fact, it is unthinkable and unprecedented that such a thing should even be suggested.
Really, stick to "no evidence". That argument has the admirable quality of being true. Your appeal to ethics as an absolute flies in the face of human history. |
Vxrasa
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:40:00 -
[377] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say. That said, it's kinda weird when players get upset that they're not trusted in a game that takes pride in trust being the most rare and precious commodity. A game where some of the best and most famous stories involve deep betrayals and conspiracies stretching over years. Where that kind of betrayal is both expected and celebrated. I mean, do you expect rational responses here? Really? Except it wasn't just gut feeling, it was evidence. Although there were plenty of accusations that weren't based on any evidence and were never proven later either, so I guess that proves black helicopters new world order chemtrails in Jita whargle garble
I thought this was a quality post by a quality poster, but then I saw that you quoted yourself in your signature, and all sense of quality posting vanished from my mind. In it's place was left an ugly void of fear, hopelessness and loathing. |
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:44:00 -
[378] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Not that I'll pretend to understand what you mean by " the relevance of the actions", but it's clear there is no overlap between players and employees. The gulf is so great that professional misconduct in any game, particularly this one, is impossible and could never happen. Moreover, and especially because of this fact, it is unthinkable and unprecedented that such a thing should even be suggested.
Really, stick to "no evidence". That argument has the admirable quality of being true. Your appeal to ethics as an absolute flies in the face of human history.
Knocking down strawmen. I'm very impressed that you can defeat your own invented and ridiculously extreme arguments that you have falsely attributed to me. The sign of a powerful mind at work. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:49:00 -
[379] - Quote
This whole thread, and the other one about Soundwave, are both stupid and really, really need to be locked. |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:05:00 -
[380] - Quote
Read Op. Read pages 1-4, laughed at how quickly thread was derailed to be about one group of players decided to post my views without reading any more hopla. If this idea/concept has already been placed in this thread please forgive me.
I believe that every major alliance should have a CCP "spy". This "spy" would be a CCP employee who would contact the CEO of the alliance and then be accepted as a bottom line member. The Alliance CEO would be subject to an NDA with breach of the NDA resulting in the Alliance being disbanded.
This would grant CCP: Eyes and ears on what game play is really like. The ability to see game bugs and exploits earlier than is currently possible. Make live increasingly difficult for any alliance member who has ties with other CCP employees, (eg CSM members, CCP employees, etc etc) to influence the game purely for the benefit of their own alliance.
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:13:00 -
[381] - Quote
ModeratedToSilence wrote:Read Op. Read pages 1-4, laughed at how quickly thread was derailed to be about one group of players decided to post my views without reading any more hopla. If this idea/concept has already been placed in this thread please forgive me.
I believe that every major alliance should have a CCP "spy". This "spy" would be a CCP employee who would contact the CEO of the alliance and then be accepted as a bottom line member. The Alliance CEO would be subject to an NDA with breach of the NDA resulting in the Alliance being disbanded.
This would grant CCP: Eyes and ears on what game play is really like. The ability to see game bugs and exploits earlier than is currently possible. Make live increasingly difficult for any alliance member who has ties with other CCP employees, (eg CSM members, CCP employees, etc etc) to influence the game purely for the benefit of their own alliance.
They already have this. It's called Internal Affairs and watches over the accounts of all CCP Employees. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
46
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:29:00 -
[382] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote: To play real guy in the real world here I typically don't formulate any kind of a conclusion unless there's some evidence that this conclusion actually exists. I certainly wouldn't toss about disparaging claims (some might say slanderous) about individual's honesty or ability to perform their job based on what my "gut" told me about someone I'd never met and knew only as a vague figure over the internet.
I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, but hey we all march to the beat of our own drums I suppose.
:edit: Go to your local police station and tell them your gut's telling you something fishy's going on with the local government. Make a really angry post on the internet about how they're part of the grand conspiracy when they explain to you that they can't help you because you've given them nothing to go on.
<3 for Sreegs |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:17:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say. That said, it's kinda weird when players get upset that they're not trusted in a game that takes pride in trust being the most rare and precious commodity. A game where some of the best and most famous stories involve deep betrayals and conspiracies stretching over years. Where that kind of betrayal is both expected and celebrated. I mean, do you expect rational responses here? Really?
Goonswarm fought hard to ensure that the evidence about BoB was not ignored and did more to get IA established than anybody (except maybe he who should not be named).
And no, I don't expect rational responses from you, but I figure if I rebutt your brain vomit for long enough you'll stop posting. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:22:00 -
[384] - Quote
Malphilos wrote: Proves nothing except that the shoe, once placed on the other foot, seems a bit uncomfortable.
You seem to think that you are attacking GSF here, but you're attacking CCP.
The only reason I'm posting at all is that I'm coming out to bat for 'the new CCP' that has tried hard to redeem themselves since the failure that was Incarna. If you think that this thread is making 'GSF' feel uncomfortable, then you're ignoring all the much worse things we've been called over the years.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
653
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:24:00 -
[385] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote: Proves nothing except that the shoe, once placed on the other foot, seems a bit uncomfortable.
You seem to think that you are attacking GSF here, but you're attacking CCP. The only reason I'm posting at all is that I'm coming out to bat for 'the new CCP' that has tried hard to redeem themselves since the failure that was Incarna. If you think that this thread is making 'GSF' feel uncomfortable, then you're ignoring all the much worse things we've been called over the years. Your corp betrays your true nature, evil goonie.
Should've used an NPC corp alt, I hear they're the rage on the forums.
P.S. Yeah it's amusing more than anything else to me anyway.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:28:00 -
[386] - Quote
ModeratedToSilence wrote:Read Op. Read pages 1-4, laughed at how quickly thread was derailed to be about one group of players decided to post my views without reading any more hopla. If this idea/concept has already been placed in this thread please forgive me.
I believe that every major alliance should have a CCP "spy". This "spy" would be a CCP employee who would contact the CEO of the alliance and then be accepted as a bottom line member. The Alliance CEO would be subject to an NDA with breach of the NDA resulting in the Alliance being disbanded.
This would grant CCP: Eyes and ears on what game play is really like. The ability to see game bugs and exploits earlier than is currently possible. Make live increasingly difficult for any alliance member who has ties with other CCP employees, (eg CSM members, CCP employees, etc etc) to influence the game purely for the benefit of their own alliance.
The thing is that Internal Affairs can already gather much more reliable information directly from the database than they could ever get from a bottom line member. If IA aren't monitoring large alliances to vet their large isk transactions and valuble asset transfers then they're missing a huge opportunity.
PS: CSM members are players, not CCP employees. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
653
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:31:00 -
[387] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:ModeratedToSilence wrote:Read Op. Read pages 1-4, laughed at how quickly thread was derailed to be about one group of players decided to post my views without reading any more hopla. If this idea/concept has already been placed in this thread please forgive me.
I believe that every major alliance should have a CCP "spy". This "spy" would be a CCP employee who would contact the CEO of the alliance and then be accepted as a bottom line member. The Alliance CEO would be subject to an NDA with breach of the NDA resulting in the Alliance being disbanded.
This would grant CCP: Eyes and ears on what game play is really like. The ability to see game bugs and exploits earlier than is currently possible. Make live increasingly difficult for any alliance member who has ties with other CCP employees, (eg CSM members, CCP employees, etc etc) to influence the game purely for the benefit of their own alliance.
The thing is that Internal Affairs can already gather much more reliable information directly from the database than they could ever get from a bottom line member. If IA aren't monitoring large alliances to vet their large isk transactions and valuble asset transfers then they're missing a huge opportunity. PS: CSM members are players, not CCP employees. But it would be pretty amusing if one of them got purged by say Vio for being a spy for someone, maybe they wouldn't know for who, but meh...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
583
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:46:00 -
[388] - Quote
CCP Arkanon wrote:As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is [email protected]That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on.
Um, yeah, it's really easy to detect a dev, playing on an alt, in the game. *rolls eyes*
Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence?
You're not suggesting that the folks who directly benefit from a dev's presence report him, right? That's kinda like expecting a stock broker to report his client who just fed him insider information. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:48:00 -
[389] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence?
Are you high? Do you really think that devs being forced to play with dev tags on would somehow lead to less people seeking 'dev favours' than devs being forced to play on totally anonymous alts without ties to any alliance leadership.
That suggests a total lack of understanding of human nature right there.
CCP knows who the dev alts are, and I would expect that every aspect of their gameplay is being constantly scrutinised by Internal Affairs. What possible benefit could your proposal add over that? |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1384
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:52:00 -
[390] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is [email protected]That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on. Um, yeah, it's really easy to detect a dev, playing on an alt, in the game. *rolls eyes* Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence? You're not suggesting that the folks who directly benefit from a dev's presence report him, right? That's kinda like expecting a stock broker to report his client who just fed him insider information.
I believe the proper reply here is to inform you that no we do not expect you to have magical powers to detect developers playing within alliances. Nobody ever stated such. That is audited by IA. What we do expect is that if you are going to make allegations you have some basis for making them. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
163
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:52:00 -
[391] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence?
Are you high? Do you really think that devs being forced to play with dev tags on would somehow lead to less people seeking 'dev favours' than devs being forced to play on totally anonymous alts without ties to any alliance leadership. That suggests a total lack of understanding of human nature right there. CCP knows who the dev alts are, and I would expect that every aspect of their gameplay is being constantly scrutinised by Internal Affairs. What possible benefit could your proposal add over that?
It's called voice chat. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:54:00 -
[392] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:It's called voice chat.
Could you elaborate on that a bit? I know what voice chat is called already. |
Ejit
STD contractors
54
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:18:00 -
[393] - Quote
There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.
Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.
And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:22:00 -
[394] - Quote
Ejit wrote:Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.
Because this certainly worked well last time. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
123
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:24:00 -
[395] - Quote
Ejit wrote:There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.
Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.
And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.
I agree completely, because everyone knows it's the fact that GSF is one alliance rather than 8 unified alliances that is driving all the corruption in eve online. You should have gone for something completely ridiculous like 'the solution is a better tank on hulks'.
And also, I'll remind everyone that all the corruption predates the existance of internal affairs. You'd better believe that if eveo rebooted every time shrikes titan was in danger, GSF would have reported that to IA and demanded an investigation into whether there were real reasons why the game had to be restarted.
The game restarting every time a given gameplay scenario happens isn't proof, but it's at least something that can be investigated. It's a lot more than anyone in this thread has brought to the table.
Literally, no one in this thread has even bought up a situation that could be investigated, let alone 'evidence'. Instead they're relying on people ignoring all the things CCP has done to prevent corruption to focus on 'some bad things happened once'. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:25:00 -
[396] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence?
Are you high? Do you really think that devs being forced to play with dev tags on would somehow lead to less people seeking 'dev favours' than devs being forced to play on totally anonymous alts without ties to any alliance leadership. That suggests a total lack of understanding of human nature right there. CCP knows who the dev alts are, and I would expect that every aspect of their gameplay is being constantly scrutinised by Internal Affairs. What possible benefit could your proposal add over that? It's called voice chat.
This is not a proposal. This is a blurb. A blurb contains no substantial information. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
655
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:39:00 -
[397] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Ejit wrote:There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.
Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000. I agree completely, because everyone knows it's the fact that GSF is one alliance rather than 8 unified alliances that is driving all the corruption in eve online. You should have gone for something completely ridiculous like 'the solution is a better tank on hulks'. We'd have GSF1, GSF2, GSF3, GSF4... GSF14, GSF15 etc etc TEST, 7EST, T3ST, TE5T, TES7, etc etc Like the famous VCbee### (3 or 4 digits).
I'm surprised that by now the poster hasn't "bought in" to the forums' view that the whole CFC isn't actually a bunch of alliances allied to one another buy just pets or something. If so, the above solution makes no sense either... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
781
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Posted - 2012.05.10 02:19:00 -
[398] - Quote
It used to be BOB and now it is goons, it is also their game. So you can't really do anything about it. That is the final answer TBH.
P.S.
Quote: :edit: And by basis we presume actual real activity or such to point at not the findings of your local tarot card reader or your own psychic gifts.
Dear Mr Dev, you might be surprised by how much (some of us) actually know. Passing secrets at RL BBQ's FTW.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
877
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Posted - 2012.05.10 02:51:00 -
[399] - Quote
lol npc forum posters getting destroyed in this thread |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2012.05.10 02:56:00 -
[400] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:It used to be BOB and now it is goons, it is also their game. So you can't really do anything about it. That is the final answer TBH. P.S.Quote: :edit: And by basis we presume actual real activity or such to point at not the findings of your local tarot card reader or your own psychic gifts.
Dear Mr Dev, you might be surprised by how much (some of us) actually know. Passing secrets at RL BBQ's FTW.
Why isn't what you 'know' on the front page of the BBC website like the last lot of internal drama was? |
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:24:00 -
[401] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:It used to be BOB and now it is goons, it is also their game. So you can't really do anything about it. That is the final answer TBH. P.S.Quote: :edit: And by basis we presume actual real activity or such to point at not the findings of your local tarot card reader or your own psychic gifts.
Dear Mr Dev, you might be surprised by how much (some of us) actually know. Passing secrets at RL BBQ's FTW.
I'm not surprised at all by how much you know.
Hint: It rhymes with "nothing" |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
231
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:32:00 -
[402] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:... (some might say slanderous) ... Slander is spoken. Libel is written.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Side note/request: is there someplace I can mine tinfoil in Eve? Would be a serious ISK maker.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:37:00 -
[403] - Quote
Nick Bison wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:... (some might say slanderous) ... Salnder is spoken. Liable is written. Sorry, couldn't resist. Side note/request: is there someplace I can mine tinfoil in Eve? Would be a serious ISK maker.
It's spelled Slander and Libel. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
231
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:40:00 -
[404] - Quote
Andrey Wartooth wrote:Nick Bison wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:... (some might say slanderous) ... Salnder is spoken. Liable is written. Sorry, couldn't resist. Side note/request: is there someplace I can mine tinfoil in Eve? Would be a serious ISK maker. It's spelled Slander and Libel.
Dang, a combination of bad spelling and typing Corrected ... my thanks.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
499
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:56:00 -
[405] - Quote
So, don't play EVE OP.
And can I have your stuff? |
Vxrasa
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
5
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Posted - 2012.05.10 04:50:00 -
[406] - Quote
Ejit wrote:There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.
Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.
And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.
You are literally so stupid that I lack the mental faculties to properly process your retardation. You have literally broken my brain with your stupidity. You sir, are a god among plebeians.
Shrike was Sir Molle's alt, Sir Molle is not a dev |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:12:00 -
[407] - Quote
Vxrasa wrote:Ejit wrote:There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.
Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.
And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.
You are literally so stupid that I lack the mental faculties to properly process your retardation. You have literally broken my brain with your stupidity. You sir, are a god among plebeians. Shrike was Sir Molle's alt, Sir Molle is not a dev
Oh jeez, I didn't even notice him saying that. I just assumed he was talking about devs saving molles titan every time it got tackled but in his own brand of mangled english. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
657
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:16:00 -
[408] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Vxrasa wrote:Ejit wrote:There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.
Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.
And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.
You are literally so stupid that I lack the mental faculties to properly process your retardation. You have literally broken my brain with your stupidity. You sir, are a god among plebeians. Shrike was Sir Molle's alt, Sir Molle is not a dev Oh jeez, I didn't even notice him saying that. I just assumed he was talking about devs saving molles titan every time it got tackled but in his own brand of mangled english. Pppffttt, that's right. Shrike was SirMolle's titan alt... ugh, thanks for catching that. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1066
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:22:00 -
[409] - Quote
No wonder they hate NPC Corp alts so much. :smh: |
Lucius Chernikova
CRITICAL Novus
0
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:48:00 -
[410] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Absolutely.
Dev corpses = best corpses. GǪnot to mention dev wrecks with special dev equipment loot = best wrecks and loot.
I host and develop for my own tiny non-eve server on my free-time. As a developer, reading this thread concerns me, because playing developers is always a fine line. I feel that having developers play is an essential part of the development experience. Some games separate that with a test server, but for eve that's not really viable.
When I play my own game, I go with 100% legitimacy and transparency (IE: I make the character the same way a player would, grind it up, and work it. For devs here I suppose they could set account "research time" for how long they've been working here, or keep prior accounts if they had one, maybe start with one BS or lower class ship with "normal" rigging), absolutely >NO< spawned items, and for my server, I implemented a tool to allow players to brown-nose my characters (which I am 100% clear and transparent are mine), if they so pleased. Players see what i'm doing and what i'm making items-wise on my real character, but it's not a huge problem overall, just makes things a little more challenging if I play (balances dev-knowledge a little, if anything), and re-assures people there is no "dev loot" to be had, and all of what my characters have is 'real'.
If i'm just testing something, I use a separate Non-active char (no guild(corp), can't interact with players in any way, just to make sure "X" quest works and whatnot.) Obviously I would never reboot the servers or kick players/etc for my 'real' account's benefit.
I feel if the Devs here are running 100% illegitimate characters with spawned items there may well be an issue worth looking into, and maybe setting some *ADDITIONAL* and public rules for. I find it >INCREDIBLY< unlikely that a game like this doesn't have logs for GM actions (IE: kicks, spawned items, created characters, etc), and it might be worthwhile to have those public (I have one and it has little commentary about what an item's for if I spawn it on a non level 0 immortal GM character- takes me an extra second or so), or at least to have the logs monitored by someone impartial.
Just my 2c. |
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:53:00 -
[411] - Quote
Lucius Chernikova wrote:Tippia wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Absolutely.
Dev corpses = best corpses. GǪnot to mention dev wrecks with special dev equipment loot = best wrecks and loot. I host and develop for my own tiny non-eve server on my free-time. As a developer, reading this thread concerns me, because playing developers is always a fine line. I feel that having developers play is an essential part of the development experience. Some games separate that with a test server, but for eve that's not really viable. When I play my own game, I go with 100% legitimacy and transparency (IE: I make the character the same way a player would, grind it up, and work it. For devs here I suppose they could set account "research time" for how long they've been working here, or keep prior accounts if they had one, maybe start with one BS or lower class ship with "normal" rigging), absolutely >NO< spawned items, and for my server, I implemented a tool to allow players to brown-nose my characters (which I am 100% clear and transparent are mine), if they so pleased. Players see what i'm doing and what i'm making items-wise on my real character, but it's not a huge problem overall, just makes things a little more challenging if I play (balances dev-knowledge a little, if anything), and re-assures people there is no "dev loot" to be had, and all of what my characters have is 'real'. If i'm just testing something, I use a separate Non-active char (no guild(corp), can't interact with players in any way, just to make sure "X" quest works and whatnot.) Obviously I would never reboot the servers or kick players/etc for my 'real' account's benefit. I feel if the Devs here are running 100% illegitimate characters with spawned items there may well be an issue worth looking into, and maybe setting some *ADDITIONAL* and public rules for. I find it >INCREDIBLY< unlikely that a game like this doesn't have logs for GM actions (IE: kicks, spawned items, created characters, etc), and it might be worthwhile to have those public (I have one and it has little commentary about what an item's for if I spawn it on a non level 0 immortal GM character- takes me an extra second or so), or at least to have the logs monitored by someone impartial. Just my 2c.
The Dev characters that don't have CCP in front of them play the game just like everyone else does. The only thing they do get is a lifetime sub to the game.
Now, the characters with CCP in front of them, those are the characters that use special ships and everything, but they aren't really used for competitions and stuff, they're mostly there to keep the peace in certain situations, or to just observe goings on or whatever. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.05.10 06:00:00 -
[412] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say. Except it wasn't just gut feeling, it was evidence. which is why CCP threatened to sue unless goons stop the unfounded slander
anyways, if Sreegs did make unfounded accusations against devs he did so on alts - I think it's notable to point out that even during his CSM campaigning he stayed entirely clear of making "fight dev favoritism" or anything along these lines one of his talking points. |
Vulix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.10 07:59:00 -
[413] - Quote
this thread sucks |
Nevigrofnu Mrots
Heroes of the Past Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.10 08:35:00 -
[414] - Quote
Vulix wrote:this thread sucks
NOooooooooooo I didn't had so mutch fun with this thin foil hat stuff since last week.
let me add more wood to this fire, its time to tell everyone the truth, they have found the SECRET...
yes, its true, The Mitanni is a CCP dev.
All members of the CFC are CCP devs.
CCP = CFC = CCP = CFC (can you see the resemblance)
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Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
179
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Posted - 2012.05.10 08:58:00 -
[415] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote: anyways, if Sreegs did make unfounded accusations against devs he did so on alts - I think it's notable to point out that even during his CSM campaigning he stayed entirely clear of making "fight dev favoritism" or anything along these lines one of his talking points.
Wait what
(I support CCP Sreegs for CSM8) Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |
Josef Djugashvilis
154
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Posted - 2012.05.10 09:20:00 -
[416] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is [email protected]That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on. Um, yeah, it's really easy to detect a dev, playing on an alt, in the game. *rolls eyes* Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence? You're not suggesting that the folks who directly benefit from a dev's presence report him, right? That's kinda like expecting a stock broker to report his client who just fed him insider information.
Actually, as low down as I am in the Eve food chain, if any Dev were to offer or enable me to gain an unfair adavantage ingame, I would report it as fast as I can type. You want fries with that? |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1232
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Posted - 2012.05.10 10:07:00 -
[417] - Quote
I unironically believe every single CCP employee that is working on the Eve product should be required to play the **** out of this game. I loved it when I'd get a dev in our summits who would own the **** out of one of us on details about how the game worked.
It was even more awesome when it was John Lander. |
Ltd SpacePig
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
14
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Posted - 2012.05.10 10:26:00 -
[418] - Quote
Some people can't accept that they are **** at this game and being stupid so they have to blame CCP or other players for them being so bad. It most be some kind of dev conspiracy because it can't be me being so dumb right? If you get scammed by goons then you are dumb or being a n00b. Get over it and get on with your game or go back to play Pink Ponys online or something. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.05.10 11:05:00 -
[419] - Quote
Jace Errata wrote:Vera Algaert wrote: anyways, if Sreegs did make unfounded accusations against devs he did so on alts - I think it's notable to point out that even during his CSM campaigning he stayed entirely clear of making "fight dev favoritism" or anything along these lines one of his talking points.
Wait what (I support CCP Sreegs for CSM8) he was on CSM 1 and 2
(for CCP to hire you, CCP has to get to know you first - CSM is not only a great PR stunt, it's also an assessment center ) |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.05.10 11:26:00 -
[420] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Actually, as low down as I am in the Eve food chain, if any Dev were to offer or enable me to gain an unfair adavantage ingame, I would report it as fast as I can type.
How un-Goon-like of you. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.05.10 11:27:00 -
[421] - Quote
Ltd SpacePig wrote:Some people can't accept that they are **** at this game and being stupid so they have to blame CCP or other players for them being so bad. It most be some kind of dev conspiracy because it can't be me being so dumb right? If you get scammed by goons then you are dumb or being a n00b. Get over it and get on with your game or go back to play Pink Ponys online or something.
Now, I'VE heard of mincing, but this is the definition ! Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.05.10 11:33:00 -
[422] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote: Proves nothing except that the shoe, once placed on the other foot, seems a bit uncomfortable.
You seem to think that you are attacking GSF here, but you're attacking CCP.
Actually, it's you who seems to think I'm "attacking" GSF. I'm sure you have your reasons.
On the other hand I'm sure you don't actually think this is about CCP, as they haven't shown any discomfort. Their appropriate and professional response came quite early in the discussion, essentially:
"We have a procedure for dealing with this. If you have evidence here's the contact info."
Simple, professional, and done.
All of the discomfort (or "butthurt" if you prefer the vernacular) seems to be coming from other quarters.
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.05.10 11:37:00 -
[423] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:
All of the discomfort (or "butthurt" if you prefer the vernacular) seems to be coming from other quarters.
You rang ? Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1201
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Posted - 2012.05.10 11:40:00 -
[424] - Quote
Quote:CCP employees must be removed from the game
NOES !
As much as I like to think those (some) are the first to exploit every possible game mechanic and this shouldn't be the case, they're players like everyone else and makes them closer to the community, witch is good for us even if when something must be done is with ass kicks like last year.
I'd rather like to see them more active in game but this isn't easy for obvious reasons.
Edit because I like it: and what the heck CCP has something to do with Goonswarm? -do you even know what goonswarm, goonwaffe, goonswarm federation, goonswarm alliance and CFC is?
Do your homework first (me too, I guess I forgot something on purpose) |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
820
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Posted - 2012.05.10 11:50:00 -
[425] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:
Do your homework first (me too, I guess I forgot something on purpose)
Not much to do.
Soundwave was a Goon before being hired.
I finished my homework early. Can I have a cookie ? "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.05.10 12:17:00 -
[426] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote: Proves nothing except that the shoe, once placed on the other foot, seems a bit uncomfortable.
You seem to think that you are attacking GSF here, but you're attacking CCP. Actually, it's you who seems to think I'm "attacking" GSF. I'm sure you have your reasons. On the other hand I'm sure you don't actually think this is about CCP, as they haven't shown any discomfort. Their appropriate and professional response came quite early in the discussion, essentially: "We have a procedure for dealing with this. If you have evidence here's the contact info." Simple, professional, and done. All of the discomfort (or "butthurt" if you prefer the vernacular) seems to be coming from other quarters.
So if you're not attacking GSF and you're not attacking CCP, what are you attacking? Because your posts that imply CCP corruption are certainly attacking something.
CCP refuted what you said (I'm not even going to call it allegations because it's more just 'stuff you said') but you continue posting it in the hope that someone might come and believe it. The reality is though, regardless of how you try to rationalise it, it is CCP who gets hurt if players leave because they believe your unfounded garbage.
As for your other point, I might seem discomforted at your continued attacks against CCP but only because you're desperately trying to damage a game that I enjoy playing. I'd be equally discomforted at baseless attacks on my gardener or the department I work for, because unlike you I understand that what people say can have consequences in the real world.
PS: If you really do have some evidence of corruption, bring it. Get that **** sent into Internal Affairs. Get it on the front page of PC Gamer and the BBC. I personally have nothing to hide, and if by some miracle of fate you aren't completely full of **** like we all think you are and there are members of GSF that do: **** em, burn it all down - both GSF and the eveo will be stronger for it. The rest of us will be stronger for it. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
821
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Posted - 2012.05.10 12:29:00 -
[427] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote: The reality is though, regardless of how you try to rationalise it, it is CCP who gets hurt if players leave because they believe your unfounded garbage.
That's right, the crazy tinfoil hat-ism before T20 sure stayed that way huh ?
How quickly we forget. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.05.10 12:32:00 -
[428] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote: The reality is though, regardless of how you try to rationalise it, it is CCP who gets hurt if players leave because they believe your unfounded garbage.
That's right, the crazy tinfoil hat-ism before T20 sure stayed that way huh ? How quickly we forget.
And how many people left because of T20 and never came back? Or only came back because of the security controls that were put in place? |
Josef Djugashvilis
154
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Posted - 2012.05.10 12:34:00 -
[429] - Quote
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Actually, as low down as I am in the Eve food chain, if any Dev were to offer or enable me to gain an unfair adavantage ingame, I would report it as fast as I can type.
How un-Goon-like of you.
+1 for the mention of Oscar Wilde. You want fries with that? |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.05.10 12:37:00 -
[430] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
And how many people left because of T20 and never came back? Or only came back because of the security controls that were put in place?
I don't know, you tell us.
Stop hitting yourself in the face with those questions. Stop it. Stop. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.05.10 12:38:00 -
[431] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:+1 for the mention of Oscar Wilde.
It would be great to actually know what the pattern was. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
584
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Posted - 2012.05.10 12:39:00 -
[432] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote: :edit: And by basis we presume actual real activity or such to point at not the findings of your local tarot card reader or your own psychic gifts.
Which is exactly what everyone else, save the people who could directly benefit, are left with to determine if some odd occurrence happened might be due to a dev being present. Like the day I was sitting cloaked in a system observing a fleet hundreds of km away with nothing around me being bounced off at +1000km like I ran into a static object. Petition filed, "Our tarot cards show nothing". But whatever, man. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.05.10 12:49:00 -
[433] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote: So if you're not attacking GSF and you're not attacking CCP, what are you attacking? Because your posts that imply CCP corruption are certainly attacking something.
Where did I imply current, as opposed to the irrefutable past, corruption?
I've pointed out that there have always been "baseless" whines, that sometimes they turn out to be true, that anyone who expects differently is setting themselves up for disappointment, and that some people seem (somewhat ironically) uncomfortable with the mention of any of that.
Oh, and that evidence is all that counts.
CCP hasn't refuted anything I've said. And your raging attempts to spin that while quoting my praise for their official response is hilarious.
But, Proverbs 28:1 and all that, eh? |
Kodiak Commando
Post Terrain Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.05.10 13:10:00 -
[434] - Quote
I feel the bigger corps are getting people in so they can tax them and keep the corp going. I dont like see new people being taxed until they know the game better. |
Nevigrofnu Mrots
Heroes of the Past Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.10 13:14:00 -
[435] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:
Do your homework first (me too, I guess I forgot something on purpose)
Not much to do. Soundwave was a Goon before being hired. I finished my homework early. Can I have a cookie ?
yes, he was
by the way, I found video proof, soundwave is that you at 2:05?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYAXKjz0Llo
(use the pause button and go frame by frame because is just a glimpse)
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Geil Ding
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.10 13:29:00 -
[436] - Quote
It is a difficult discussion, but it is important for CCP employees to play their own game for obvious reasons. But there will always be players who benefit from CCP players, either aware or unaware. This is often subtle like an advice to stock up certain items or sell other items. But this is ok, and unavoidable. The problem is when a group of players get a great advantage over other players, like the knowledge of valuable moons gained by a CCP player who has access to this type of information.
An option would be for CCP to create special corps and/or alliances where only CCP members can join. These names would never be made public for obvious reasons. But this option is far from ideal.
We must give our trust to CCP and their employees to do the right thing but also to be vigilant and report anything suspicious. |
Jonah Gravenstein
286
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Posted - 2012.05.10 13:32:00 -
[437] - Quote
CCP Screegs and CCP Soundwave were goons, so bloody what? There's no massive conspiracy here, GSF are not Band of Devs, they aren't receiving Dev help with their campaign to terrorise pretty much everybody but especially those they see as shiptoasters.
They are able to do all this because they're organised, they have a planning & logistics chain that could put small governments to shame, they have the industrial backbone and control of natural resources to effectively have a bottomless wallet. The null sec alliances and their constant struggles for galactic domination are what makes Eve completely different from any other MMO out there.
No other MMO allows this sort of thing, in that CCP, Eve and especially us the players set the gold standard for sandbox games. I'm proud to be part of a small gaming community that creates mainstream media coverage rivaling real-world events and makes other MMO's look like padded rooms.
TL;DR Goons don't need Dev help to achieve what they want to, personally I think, and hope, that they're looking to shake up the game on a massive scale and possibly start the biggest war an MMO has ever seen.
TOPIC : I'd rather have Devs that play the game, because they love the game and/or were playing the game before it became their job, than Devs who play the game 2 hours a week because CCP says they must. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.05.10 13:37:00 -
[438] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
TL;DR Goons don't need Dev help to achieve what they want to, personally I think, and hope, that they're looking to shake up the game on a massive scale and possibly start the biggest war an MMO has ever seen.
War or conquering ?
Conquering has the following synonyms:
to beat, bring to knees, checkmate, circumvent, clobber, control, cream*, crush, discomfit, drub, foil, frustrate, get the better of, humble, lick, master, outwit, overmaster, overpower, override, overthrow, prevail, quell, reduce, rout, shut down, subdue, subjugate, succeed, surmount, throw, thwart, total*, trample underfoot, trash, triumph, vanquish, whip, wipe off map, worst, zap
They sound a lot more appropos than 'war'. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Jonah Gravenstein
286
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Posted - 2012.05.10 13:39:00 -
[439] - Quote
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
War or conquering ?
Conquering has the following synonyms:
to beat, bring to knees, checkmate, circumvent, clobber, control, cream*, crush, discomfit, drub, foil, frustrate, get the better of, humble, lick, master, outwit, overmaster, overpower, override, overthrow, prevail, quell, reduce, rout, shut down, subdue, subjugate, succeed, surmount, throw, thwart, total*, trample underfoot, trash, triumph, vanquish, whip, wipe off map, worst, zap
They sound a lot more appropos than 'war'.
True enough, to conquer does generally involve some warfare though, even if it was poorly executed by the conquered.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
822
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Posted - 2012.05.10 13:43:00 -
[440] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
True enough, to conquer does generally involve some warfare though, even if it was poorly executed by the conquered.
Many conquered had great technique.
But, there isn't really any strategy though for sheer overwhelming numbers.
Just ask Austrailians about rabbits............. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
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Jonah Gravenstein
287
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Posted - 2012.05.10 13:54:00 -
[441] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Just ask Austrailians about rabbits.............
Could be worse, could be Dropbears, a rabbit is one of the very few animals in Australia with more than 2 legs that isn't trying to kill you.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
782
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Posted - 2012.05.10 14:19:00 -
[442] - Quote
I seem to recall BOB denying it with equal fervor. History repeats I guess.
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Cutout Man
Archimedean Point
7
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:04:00 -
[443] - Quote
I don't know about CCP being in bed with goons, but it should concern people that ccp employees are part of ingame alliances. The issue is presented by CCP as simple: Internal Affairs somehow solves all problems. It should be obvious that Internal Affairs is powerless to stop anyone who is using even the slightest modicum of caution. It is impossible for IA to say with any certainty that devs, GMs, ISD, or other staff aren't creating accounts and paying with paypal or plex or some other anonymous method (for the same reason that alliance counterintelligence can't).
It isn't bad that devs play, after all they need to experience the game from the player perspective. What's bad is that even the tiniest bits of knowledge about the game mechanics, reward schedules, exact math, upcoming changes, etc. can convey a huge advantage to an alliance. It also has a more insidious effect. They have a stake in certain outcomes. Not an ingame financial stake, but a mental stake. It is a natural inclination to want to protect the playstyle that affects you and your friends. That mentality warps their view of game design and administration when they get to the office. It is easy to fall into the trap of seeing the game from one perspective and, because you have a stake in it, resisting change, innovation, and improvement. That's true for all of us, but we're the ones who are paying to play.
Unfortunately, its a problem that can't really be solved. Even if the employees didn't play, its easy enough to send someone an email, tell a friend some secrets, etc. Before some CCP employee makes a snarky reply (and there were some good ones in this thread lol), over the years I've been on comms with two different players who were developers. They were old friends/acquaintances of older members of the alliances I was in. They weren't currently working at CCP at the time they were on comms, so technically no harm, no foul. But the idea that they're completely hidden and anonymous is laughable.
Maybe its just a matter of focusing that mental energy and time into something else. I would love to see the CCP alliance ingame setup shop in a new NPC null sec system and battle royale forever. |
Bayushi Tamago
Tribuo Quod Victum The AirShip Pirates
48
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:46:00 -
[444] - Quote
Stop being so damn butthurt.
Players who become employees get their characters banned from the game, especially when they are coming from nullsec alliances to prevent things like BoB getting t2 BPOs from happening again. This policy was pushed really hard by goons. So suck it up and l2play |
Cutout Man
Archimedean Point
7
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:55:00 -
[445] - Quote
Bayushi Tamago wrote:Players who become employees get their characters banned from the game, especially when they are coming from nullsec alliances... How EXACTLY would anyone but the player know who all of his characters were? Dynamic IP, cleared caches, anonymous payment sources, etc would prevent that. More to the point, it doesn't stop anyone from starting up a new character. Nor does it stop someone from chatting on comms or the thousand other communication methods available to them.
So suck it up and learn to think logically. |
Jessie42
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:01:00 -
[446] - Quote
So where do you guys get your tinfoil from?
Do you purchase it in bulk? |
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CCP Arkanon
C C P
31
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:10:00 -
[447] - Quote
Bayushi Tamago wrote:Stop being so damn butthurt.
Players who become employees get their characters banned from the game, especially when they are coming from nullsec alliances to prevent things like BoB getting t2 BPOs from happening again. This policy was pushed really hard by goons. So suck it up and l2play
Nope, that policy was put in place by me, without any outside interference.
Cutout Man wrote:Bayushi Tamago wrote:Players who become employees get their characters banned from the game, especially when they are coming from nullsec alliances... How EXACTLY would anyone but the player know who all of his characters were? Dynamic IP, cleared caches, anonymous payment sources, etc would prevent that. More to the point, it doesn't stop anyone from starting up a new character. Nor does it stop someone from chatting on comms or the thousand other communication methods available to them. So suck it up and learn to think logically.
You're describing someone actively seeking to sabotage CCP, even in the hiring process. You're right that it would be hard to catch someone willing to jump through secret service level hoops to hide from us, but I'm confident we would catch them eventually.
And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found. CCP Arkanon - Internal Affairs |
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:20:00 -
[448] - Quote
CCP Arkanon wrote:And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found. how would you know about those that are out there (and are good at what they do)? |
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CCP Arkanon
C C P
31
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:22:00 -
[449] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found. how would you know about those that are out there (and are good at what they do)?
gut feeling? CCP Arkanon - Internal Affairs |
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Jessie42
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:26:00 -
[450] - Quote
It's okay, CCP Arkanon. You can let everyone know that you're really a Deep Cover Goon Spy.
Your secret will be safe with us, I assure you. |
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Qui Wye
Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:28:00 -
[451] - Quote
If you work for a casino; you (and your direct relatives) are not allowed to gamble (in any casino for that matter), If you work for a lottery; your entire family is excluded from participating, You get my point ;)
But yes; I have to agree that CCP cannot make a balanced game without employees playing it!
Possible solutions; Have an anti-fraud team checking on CCP employees and firing them on the spot if they abuse their position in any way. Reward every other player outside of the "benefiting" alliance if any CCP employee screws up. And exclude CCP employees from any key position in any alliance, or simply have a CCP only corp which isn't allowed to make pacts with anyone and is always free to KOS.
Then again; look at the game now, I don't think it could be more unbalanced anyway... Titans galore, which was never intended in the first place. Alliances have endless amounts of money, and with endless I mean: Enough to subscribe through PLEX for 100 lifetimes! Etc. Etc.
I say; make a money cap, account per IP cap, reduce characters per account to 2, and give all the access ISK to me xD |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3086
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:29:00 -
[452] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
True enough, to conquer does generally involve some warfare though, even if it was poorly executed by the conquered.
Many conquered had great technique. But, there isn't really any strategy though for sheer overwhelming numbers. Just ask Austrailians about rabbits............. its odd to me how many aspies don't seem to think "being able to get people to work with you" is a vital tactical skill |
Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
142
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:32:00 -
[453] - Quote
To OP:
Standard whine from whiners like you when you are whining is usually that "Do you even play the game?" (trying to suggest that CCP are clueless about EVE). And now you whine about CCP playing the game?
Give me a break and stop posting. Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism. Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.-á Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
147
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:33:00 -
[454] - Quote
Qui Wye wrote:Have an anti-fraud team checking on CCP employees and firing them on the spot if they abuse their position in any way.
Have I got some good news for you. I called up CCP and since I asked so nicely they went back in time and implemented it a few years ago for me.
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Qui Wye
Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:42:00 -
[455] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Qui Wye wrote:Have an anti-fraud team checking on CCP employees and firing them on the spot if they abuse their position in any way. Have I got some good news for you. I called up CCP and since I asked so nicely they went back in time and implemented it a few years ago for me.
I knowz, but who checks them? So we need a team that supervises them. and one that supervises the supervisors. and ...
Anyways; I know that team is there, but how effective are they actually? ;) I mean; if I'd be working for CCP and knew there was a change coming up, I could suggest it in an alliance forum and how on earth will you trace it back...
I still believe CCP employees are dangerous for the game, they fly around in those lesser race Jovian ships, transporting space-kitties infected with space-aids and they just go "selfdestruct" to infect us all :'(
Paranoid? Me? When? xD |
Caples
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:01:00 -
[456] - Quote
I question your intelligence when you're asking CCP not to use its own product.
Goons are the best allies you could possibly have. And they're great people. I don't know what you're talking about with them being bad guys. It's been a absolute delight talking to them and getting to know them. Gentlemen and scholars.
If they're really that much of a problem then why don't you leet-PvP'ers and dirty, neck-bearded troglodyte pubbies band together and wipe the CFC from the map? I'm sure they're easy for all of you to roll over. |
Zmaster BloodLust
BloodLust Enterprises Apocalypse Now.
6
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:02:00 -
[457] - Quote
WoW!! (no i dont mean World of Warcraft!)... I dont know if i should laugh or cry with this whole topic...
On one hand.. we got Scrubs crying about the CFC... on the other hand we got CCP DEV's defending CCP "Honor" and even using their alts to do so (Yes i spoted ya...)
This is realy funny... to say the least!
*Sits back, grabs a bag of popcorns and watches the show!*
Regards, Z |
Barkaial Starfinder
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
17
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:07:00 -
[458] - Quote
Lol Arkanon I like your style |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:10:00 -
[459] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I seem to recall BOB denying it with equal fervor. History repeats I guess.
Yup. THEY didnt IM CCP when ppl shot at them tho; thats a new one
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
557
|
Posted - 2012.05.10 17:11:00 -
[460] - Quote
I hope that people realize that while to us Eve is a game, to those who work at CCP its a job and what pays their bills. After T20 I highly doubt many Devs would risk going to great lengths to manipulate the game in their favor at the risk of their job.
Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:12:00 -
[461] - Quote
Qui Wye wrote:I knowz, but who checks them? So we need a team that supervises them. and one that supervises the supervisors. and ...
Presumably they check each other. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
|
Posted - 2012.05.10 17:12:00 -
[462] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:
I believe the proper reply here is to inform you that no we do not expect you to have magical powers to detect developers playing within alliances. Nobody ever stated such. That is audited by IA. What we do expect is that if you are going to make allegations you have some basis for making them.
Ah, you mean like **********?
Or should I say Kugu since even his name is still banned from the forums six years later. Cause youre SO interested in those facts
Brooks Puuntai wrote:I hope that people realize that while to us Eve is a game, to those who work at CCP its a job and what pays their bills. After T20 I highly doubt many Devs would risk going to great lengths to manipulate the game in their favor at the risk of their job.
What RISK? Did they break that Icelandic law and fire him after it died down?
Edit: Hi, little Goon red bar, I see you
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
149
|
Posted - 2012.05.10 17:13:00 -
[463] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I seem to recall BOB denying it with equal fervor. History repeats I guess. Yup. THEY didnt IM CCP when ppl shot at them tho; thats a new one
Say hello to my little friend, the stuck petition. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
50
|
Posted - 2012.05.10 17:14:00 -
[464] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I believe the proper reply here is to inform you that no we do not expect you to have magical powers to detect developers playing within alliances. Nobody ever stated such. That is audited by IA. What we do expect is that if you are going to make allegations you have some basis for making them.
Ah, you mean like **********? Or should I say Kugu since even his name is still banned from the forums six years later. Cause youre SO interested in those facts Brooks Puuntai wrote:I hope that people realize that while to us Eve is a game, to those who work at CCP its a job and what pays their bills. After T20 I highly doubt many Devs would risk going to great lengths to manipulate the game in their favor at the risk of their job.
What RISK? Did they break that Icelandic law and fire him after it died down?
Guess which side of that whole thing Darius Johnson was on.
Hint: It wasn't T20's side. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
368
|
Posted - 2012.05.10 17:20:00 -
[465] - Quote
Ya, going from crying about your space pixel datacores to making unsubstantiated attacks on someone's professional conduct is pretty ******* unhinged behaviour. At this point you really need to unplug and evaluate your life.
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
149
|
Posted - 2012.05.10 17:23:00 -
[466] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:Ya, going from crying about your space pixel datacores to making unsubstantiated attacks on someone's professional conduct is pretty ******* unhinged behaviour. At this point you really need to unplug and evaluate your life.
SOMEONE CHANGED MY PASSIVE INCOME I WANT THE COMPANY IN ASHES. VENGEANCE MUST BE MINE. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
149
|
Posted - 2012.05.10 17:24:00 -
[467] - Quote
Andrey Wartooth wrote:Are you all literally this insane that you would ruin people based on a hunch with no evidence?
Well.. I hate to play devils advocate here, but obviously he is that insane.
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Qui Wye
Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:24:00 -
[468] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Qui Wye wrote:I knowz, but who checks them? So we need a team that supervises them. and one that supervises the supervisors. and ...
Presumably they check each other.
Presumably is the problem ;)
But you will never stop people from cheating no matter what, so it's a bit useless to discuss... If you feel that badly about it, just quit playing the game and if enough people feel the same, then CCP will be proven wrong. Otherwise; let's make this a nice *trolololol* post xD |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
51
|
Posted - 2012.05.10 17:27:00 -
[469] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:Ya, going from crying about your space pixel datacores to making unsubstantiated attacks on someone's professional conduct is pretty ******* unhinged behaviour. At this point you really need to unplug and evaluate your life.
To the insane their own actions seem reasonable and appropriate while everyone else appears to be insane and unreasonable. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
|
Posted - 2012.05.10 17:30:00 -
[470] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:Ya, going from crying about your space pixel datacores to making unsubstantiated attacks on someone's professional conduct is pretty ******* unhinged behaviour. At this point you really need to unplug and evaluate your life.
Still think that unless we see massive unsubs nothing will change. See what they do not what they say seems in full effect unless you can point to where we've only said something and theyve scrapped it, unlike ppl leaving and we get a apology from Hilmar and a radical change in direction and refocusing on FiS instead of WiS?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
558
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:32:00 -
[471] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:I hope that people realize that while to us Eve is a game, to those who work at CCP its a job and what pays their bills. After T20 I highly doubt many Devs would risk going to great lengths to manipulate the game in their favor at the risk of their job.
What RISK? Did they break that Icelandic law and fire him after it died down?
Its hard to know the reasoning without actually working at CCP or knowing their contracts or employee's code of conduct agreement. However there's a good chance that their wasn't any written rules or punishments for the actions that took place at the time. Since depending on Icelandic law/unions you can't actually terminate someones employment contract without them actually violating a part of the contract. After T20 I'm sure they added that in and hold higher restrictions and penalties for CCP employees having direct unauthorized intervention into the game.
Granted this is all spectulation, but even still your missing the point. Obviously since it is a job to them and how they support themselves and/or their families its not worth the potential risk. Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:34:00 -
[472] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:Ya, going from crying about your space pixel datacores to making unsubstantiated attacks on someone's professional conduct is pretty ******* unhinged behaviour. At this point you really need to unplug and evaluate your life. Still think that unless we see massive unsubs nothing will change. See what they do not what they say seems in full effect unless you can point to where we've only said something and theyve scrapped it, unlike ppl leaving and we get a apology from Hilmar and a radical change in direction and refocusing on FiS instead of WiS?
What exactly do you want to change though?
"No more changes to anything that I personally don't like - the political platform for Sigurd Sig Hansen, by Sigurd Sig Hansen." |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:35:00 -
[473] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:Ya, going from crying about your space pixel datacores to making unsubstantiated attacks on someone's professional conduct is pretty ******* unhinged behaviour. At this point you really need to unplug and evaluate your life. Still think that unless we see massive unsubs nothing will change. See what they do not what they say seems in full effect unless you can point to where we've only said something and theyve scrapped it, unlike ppl leaving and we get a apology from Hilmar and a radical change in direction and refocusing on FiS instead of WiS?
Get all 100 people who really care about passive data core income to quit. Then we will see some real change. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:37:00 -
[474] - Quote
Brooks Puuntai wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:I hope that people realize that while to us Eve is a game, to those who work at CCP its a job and what pays their bills. After T20 I highly doubt many Devs would risk going to great lengths to manipulate the game in their favor at the risk of their job.
What RISK? Did they break that Icelandic law and fire him after it died down? Its hard to know the reasoning without actually working at CCP or knowing their contracts or employee's code of conduct agreement. .
Im using the excuse CCP GAVE US
That "icelandic law" thing? Yeah I didnt pull that from my ass.
Brooks Puuntai wrote:but even still your missing the point. Obviously since it is a job to them and how they support themselves and/or their families its not worth the potential risk.
Youre missing the point... what risk? And it WAS worth the risk before lol
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
368
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:39:00 -
[475] - Quote
So you're attempting to create a false controversy over people's real life careers to encourage people to unsub so that CCP will then reverse the decision to alter the datacore mechanics?
You are seriously ****** in the head, no hyperbole. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1834
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:39:00 -
[476] - Quote
Zmaster BloodLust wrote:WoW!! (no i dont mean World of Warcraft!)... I dont know if i should laugh or cry with this whole topic...
On one hand.. we got Scrubs crying about the CFC... on the other hand we got CCP DEV's defending CCP "Honor" and even using their alts to do so (Yes i spoted ya...)
This is realy funny... to say the least!
*Sits back, grabs a bag of popcorns and watches the show!*
Regards, Z
Yes, that CCP Arkanon character is pretty hard to spot. I would never have suspected he worked at CCP. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:39:00 -
[477] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:I hope that people realize that while to us Eve is a game, to those who work at CCP its a job and what pays their bills. After T20 I highly doubt many Devs would risk going to great lengths to manipulate the game in their favor at the risk of their job.
What RISK? Did they break that Icelandic law and fire him after it died down? Its hard to know the reasoning without actually working at CCP or knowing their contracts or employee's code of conduct agreement. . Im using the excuse CCP GAVE USThat "icelandic law" thing? Yeah I didnt pull that from my ass. Brooks Puuntai wrote:but even still your missing the point. Obviously since it is a job to them and how they support themselves and/or their families its not worth the potential risk. Youre missing the point... what risk? And it WAS worth the risk before lol
Could you link us to this icelandic law? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:39:00 -
[478] - Quote
Andrey Wartooth wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:Ya, going from crying about your space pixel datacores to making unsubstantiated attacks on someone's professional conduct is pretty ******* unhinged behaviour. At this point you really need to unplug and evaluate your life. To the insane their own actions seem reasonable and appropriate while everyone else appears to be insane and unreasonable.
Im not insane, everyone else is!
Which is funny when my grandmother states she's the only sane one in her house
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:41:00 -
[479] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: Youre missing the point... what risk? And it WAS worth the risk before lol
The risk that they'd be dismissed for cause, not be able to get another job and be stuck in Iceland polishing walrus tusks until they die alone and forgotten.
And sure, it was worth the risk before when there was no actual chance of getting caught and no mechanism in place for being fired if you were caught. But now there are both.
Feels good man. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
559
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:42:00 -
[480] - Quote
I don't think you understood my post. The excuse of Icelandic law COULD very well be valid. Since it seems it falls heavily on contracts and unions. That doesn't mean that the agreements and contracts they have NOW is the same as they where when T20 happened. So while HE might have gotten away with it THEN, they probably can't get away with it NOW due to contract/agreement changes because of what happened.. Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:43:00 -
[481] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: Youre missing the point... what risk? And it WAS worth the risk before lol
The risk that they'd be dismissed for cause, not be able to get another job and be stuck in Iceland polishing walrus tusks until they die alone and forgotten. And sure, it was worth the risk before when there was no actual chance of getting caught and no mechanism in place for being fired if you were caught. But now there are both. Feels good man.
But the mechanism is run by teh goonies!!!1!!!1 |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:45:00 -
[482] - Quote
Andrey Wartooth wrote:
Could you link us to this icelandic law?
Youre talking to a guy whose told you he has Goons blocked
Edit: which he can see now since I quoted it lol http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Cutout Man
Archimedean Point
7
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:45:00 -
[483] - Quote
CCP Arkanon wrote:You're describing someone actively seeking to sabotage CCP, even in the hiring process. You're right that it would be hard to catch someone willing to jump through secret service level hoops to hide from us, but I'm confident we would catch them eventually.
And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found. You're assuming an active desire to "sabotage" the hiring process. It is actually much, much simpler than that. Any person in this game who has actively participated in the more involved forms of the spy game would have already done all of the things I mentioned and many other things simply to evade the more intricate forms of alliance counterintelligence. Many people would have no issue with not mentioning one of their characters if they thought for a minute they could get away with it. There needn't be any desire to "hurt" CCP at the root of their motivations. They aren't likely to see themselves as hurting CCP, only helping their friends with "harmless" information. Since we know for a fact something like this has happened before, it isn't unreasonable to posit that it will happen again.
The laws in the U.S. are such that employers who don't want to get sued into oblivion will make no comment to other employers that call for references other than to say whether or not they would rehire the person. I would guess that CCP, which has a U.S. subsidiary and can be sued in the U.S., takes a similar path. It is unlikely that anything other than firing would occur. I don't know who the people were in the T20 scandal, but I'm willing to bet they aren't living on the street. I'm not familiar with Icelandic laws, perhaps they differ. Perhaps that's as good a reason as any to consolidate the development team in Iceland.
None of this is to say that something untoward is definitely occuring, but it is clearly a concern or there wouldn't be an Internal Affairs group. The effect such a person has on the game is powerful. In most games, their damage would be limited to giving out goodies or money or maybe play time. EVE is built on player interaction in a player built world. The damage they do effects everyone who plays, either directly or indirectly. It is entirely appropriate that the player base question the system. The OP was short on anything substantive and I don't put much faith in it, but the responses from teh CCP side are a bit snarky and dismissive. You might consider muzzling staff responses on such delicate issues and issuing bland, stock statements. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:48:00 -
[484] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote:
Could you link us to this icelandic law?
Youre talking to a guy whose told you he has Goons blocked Edit: which he can see now since I quoted it lol
When it was brought to light by kugu, supposedly there was only a skeleton crew on staff, he was disciplined somehow then (as we were told then), and when it was later asked for his firing, we were told they couldnt because of an Icelandic law that made it illegal to punish him twice. As for a link, ask CCP. Its not MY fault if your account is too young to have been there
Cutout Man wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:You're describing someone actively seeking to sabotage CCP, even in the hiring process. You're right that it would be hard to catch someone willing to jump through secret service level hoops to hide from us, but I'm confident we would catch them eventually.
And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found. You're assuming an active desire to "sabotage" the hiring process. It is actually much, much simpler than that. Any person in this game who has actively participated in the more involved forms of the spy game would have already done all of the things I mentioned and many other things simply to evade the more intricate forms of alliance counterintelligence.
How many stories have you heard of where ppl run months/half year long infiltration ops? Guiding Hand?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
938
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:48:00 -
[485] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:So you're attempting to create a false controversy over people's real life careers to encourage people to unsub so that CCP will then reverse the decision to alter the datacore mechanics?
You are seriously ****** in the head, no hyperbole.
:eveo: |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:51:00 -
[486] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:So you're attempting to create a false controversy over people's real life careers to encourage people to unsub so that CCP will then reverse the decision to alter the datacore mechanics?
You are seriously ****** in the head, no hyperbole. :eveo:
Says the Goon
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:52:00 -
[487] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:So you're attempting to create a false controversy over people's real life careers to encourage people to unsub so that CCP will then reverse the decision to alter the datacore mechanics?
You are seriously ****** in the head, no hyperbole. :eveo: Says the Goon
Would you like to be a goon? It costs :10bux:
Literally anyone with the capacity to use a keyboard and access to money can be a goon. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1391
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:53:00 -
[488] - Quote
Cutout Man wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:You're describing someone actively seeking to sabotage CCP, even in the hiring process. You're right that it would be hard to catch someone willing to jump through secret service level hoops to hide from us, but I'm confident we would catch them eventually.
And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found. You're assuming an active desire to "sabotage" the hiring process. It is actually much, much simpler than that. Any person in this game who has actively participated in the more involved forms of the spy game would have already done all of the things I mentioned and many other things simply to evade the more intricate forms of alliance counterintelligence. Many people would have no issue with not mentioning one of their characters if they thought for a minute they could get away with it. There needn't be any desire to "hurt" CCP at the root of their motivations. They aren't likely to see themselves as hurting CCP, only helping their friends with "harmless" information. Since we know for a fact something like this has happened before, it isn't unreasonable to posit that it will happen again. The laws in the U.S. are such that employers who don't want to get sued into oblivion will make no comment to other employers that call for references other than to say whether or not they would rehire the person. I would guess that CCP, which has a U.S. subsidiary and can be sued in the U.S., takes a similar path. It is unlikely that anything other than firing would occur. I don't know who the people were in the T20 scandal, but I'm willing to bet they aren't living on the street. I'm not familiar with Icelandic laws, perhaps they differ. Perhaps that's as good a reason as any to consolidate the development team in Iceland. None of this is to say that something untoward is definitely occuring, but it is clearly a concern or there wouldn't be an Internal Affairs group. The effect such a person has on the game is powerful. In most games, their damage would be limited to giving out goodies or money or maybe play time. EVE is built on player interaction in a player built world. The damage they do effects everyone who plays, either directly or indirectly. It is entirely appropriate that the player base question the system. The OP was short on anything substantive and I don't put much faith in it, but the responses from teh CCP side are a bit snarky and dismissive. You might consider muzzling staff responses on such delicate issues and issuing bland, stock statements.
I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.
I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:54:00 -
[489] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:So you're attempting to create a false controversy over people's real life careers to encourage people to unsub so that CCP will then reverse the decision to alter the datacore mechanics?
You are seriously ****** in the head, no hyperbole. :eveo: Says the Goon Would you like to be a goon? It costs :10bux: Literally anyone with the capacity to use a keyboard and access to money can be a goon.
Yes, I read the red bar... How IS it youre the only corp allowed to require real money to get in?
I dont see te normal BS about how the money isfor your forums in that post
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:57:00 -
[490] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:So you're attempting to create a false controversy over people's real life careers to encourage people to unsub so that CCP will then reverse the decision to alter the datacore mechanics?
You are seriously ****** in the head, no hyperbole. :eveo: Says the Goon Would you like to be a goon? It costs :10bux: Literally anyone with the capacity to use a keyboard and access to money can be a goon. Yes, I read the red bar... How IS it youre the only corp allowed to require real money to get in? I dont see te normal BS about how the money isfor your forums in that post
"Goons" are people who read and post on somethingawful.com an internet website that costs 10 dollars to post to. There are hundreds of thousands of active readers.
"Goonwaffe" is the corporation in Eve Online for people who read that forum. There are maybe a few thousand members? I'm not privy to the exact figures just being some regular dude.
PS: Even if you did decide to become a somethingawful reader, you could never become a member of GSF. It is for something awful members who want to play eve online, not eve online players who want to play eve online with goonswarm. |
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HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:00:00 -
[491] - Quote
goonswarm must burn / ccp must burn / i must use a shift key |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:02:00 -
[492] - Quote
Andrey Wartooth wrote: YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE
Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread?
Classical hysteria... the kind for which doctors used to administer vibrator treatments.
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Josef Djugashvilis
155
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:03:00 -
[493] - Quote
CCP should lock and even delete this thread.
But if they do, the 'conspiracy nuts' will see it as evidence that CCP have something to hide.
A few deluded players, who are not prepared to provide any evidence of wrong doing by CCP, are givng 'our' game unwanted; unwarranted bad publicity.
Put up or shut up. You want fries with that? |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:03:00 -
[494] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote: YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE
Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread?
No, but I do think it's ****** up to try and damage a company reputation because your gun mining got nerfed. It was gun mining for you, wasn't it? |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
560
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:04:00 -
[495] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
"Goons" are people who read and post on somethingawful.com an internet website that costs 10 dollars to post to. There are hundreds of thousands of active readers.
"Goonwaffe" is the corporation in Eve Online for people who read that forum. There are maybe a few thousand members? I'm not privy to the exact figures just being some regular dude.
PS: Even if you did decide to become a somethingawful reader, you could never become a member of GSF. It is for something awful members who want to play eve online, not eve online players who want to play eve online with goonswarm.
You know you love the J4G pubies.
Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
148
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:04:00 -
[496] - Quote
This thread sucks. I thought it was about something, then it derailed into something else. I wanted to reply but IDK what to reply with so..... Thread broken? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:07:00 -
[497] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
"Goons" are people who read and post on somethingawful.com an internet website that costs 10 dollars to post to. There are hundreds of thousands of active readers.
"Goonwaffe" is the corporation in Eve Online for people who read that forum. There are maybe a few thousand members? I'm not privy to the exact figures just being some regular dude.
PS: Even if you did decide to become a somethingawful reader, you could never become a member of GSF. It is for something awful members who want to play eve online, not eve online players who want to play eve online with goonswarm.
Nice save
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:08:00 -
[498] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote: YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE
Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread? Classical hysteria... the kind for which doctors used to administer vibrator treatments.
Lol if they didnt over cheating in the game why the hell would they over the forums?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
154
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:08:00 -
[499] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
"Goons" are people who read and post on somethingawful.com an internet website that costs 10 dollars to post to. There are hundreds of thousands of active readers.
"Goonwaffe" is the corporation in Eve Online for people who read that forum. There are maybe a few thousand members? I'm not privy to the exact figures just being some regular dude.
PS: Even if you did decide to become a somethingawful reader, you could never become a member of GSF. It is for something awful members who want to play eve online, not eve online players who want to play eve online with goonswarm.
Nice save
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF6SNxNIV08 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
154
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:09:00 -
[500] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Malphilos wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote: YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE
Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread? Classical hysteria... the kind for which doctors used to administer vibrator treatments. Lol if they didnt over cheating in the game why the hell would they over the forums?
I don't think T20 is with the company anymore? I remember someone figuring that out somehow. |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:10:00 -
[501] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
"Goons" are people who read and post on somethingawful.com an internet website that costs 10 dollars to post to. There are hundreds of thousands of active readers.
"Goonwaffe" is the corporation in Eve Online for people who read that forum. There are maybe a few thousand members? I'm not privy to the exact figures just being some regular dude.
PS: Even if you did decide to become a somethingawful reader, you could never become a member of GSF. It is for something awful members who want to play eve online, not eve online players who want to play eve online with goonswarm.
Nice save http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF6SNxNIV08
I guess my expectations for Goons to have a thicker skin were unfounded too. I was joking at HIS expense not yours -.-
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
170
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:11:00 -
[502] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote: I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.
I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to.
If you can't trust a super-secret process... then what can you trust? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:11:00 -
[503] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Malphilos wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote: YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE
Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread? Classical hysteria... the kind for which doctors used to administer vibrator treatments. Lol if they didnt over cheating in the game why the hell would they over the forums? I don't think T20 is with the company anymore? I remember someone figuring that out somehow.
Yeah 'cept for ppl like Sig, "he didnt get fired but got to leave on his own" apparently isnt good enough http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:12:00 -
[504] - Quote
but who watches the watchmen |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
154
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:12:00 -
[505] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
"Goons" are people who read and post on somethingawful.com an internet website that costs 10 dollars to post to. There are hundreds of thousands of active readers.
"Goonwaffe" is the corporation in Eve Online for people who read that forum. There are maybe a few thousand members? I'm not privy to the exact figures just being some regular dude.
PS: Even if you did decide to become a somethingawful reader, you could never become a member of GSF. It is for something awful members who want to play eve online, not eve online players who want to play eve online with goonswarm.
Nice save http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF6SNxNIV08 I guess my expectations for Goons to have a thicker skin were unfounded too. I was joking at HIS expense not yours -.-
Do you know how much trouble I went to to find that youtube video. Literally 30 seconds of my life went into that so you had better appreciate it. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1837
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:13:00 -
[506] - Quote
If you want to be taken seriously, and shut up all of the people telling you that you are hysterically over reacting (not to mention going well beyond the bounds of common sense and good taste), the answer is simple.
POST YOUR PROOF.
One single shred will do.
We'll wait. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:14:00 -
[507] - Quote
Quote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.
I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to.
Eh you gonna start banning ppl for accusing Goon and CCP are in cahoots? I doubt that will help the issue
Ranger 1 wrote:If you want to be taken seriously, and shut up all of the people telling you that you are hysterically over reacting (not to mention going well beyond the bounds of common sense and good taste), the answer is simple.
POST YOUR PROOF.
One single shred will do.
We'll wait.
Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:18:00 -
[508] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Quote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.
I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to. Eh you gonna start banning ppl for accusing Goon and CCP are in cahoots? I doubt that will help the issue Ranger 1 wrote:If you want to be taken seriously, and shut up all of the people telling you that you are hysterically over reacting (not to mention going well beyond the bounds of common sense and good taste), the answer is simple.
POST YOUR PROOF.
One single shred will do.
We'll wait. Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again
Come on, if they'd done that this thread would have been a lot shorter and a lot less entertaining. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1837
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:18:00 -
[509] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Quote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I could simply tell you that the specific details of the investigative process are not and never will be public information if that would ruffle your feathers less.
I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to. Eh you gonna start banning ppl for accusing Goon and CCP are in cahoots? I doubt that will help the issue Ranger 1 wrote:If you want to be taken seriously, and shut up all of the people telling you that you are hysterically over reacting (not to mention going well beyond the bounds of common sense and good taste), the answer is simple.
POST YOUR PROOF.
One single shred will do.
We'll wait. Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again
Well, he didn't say ban. Removing the more vicious unsubstansiated accusations would be appropriate.
As to the latter, you have a point. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:20:00 -
[510] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Quote: Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again
Well, he didn't say ban. Removing the more vicious unsubstansiated accusations would be appropriate. As to the latter, you have a point.
even that though, from the more tinfoily will enflame their opinion that theyre right CAUSE their post got snipped http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
257
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:23:00 -
[511] - Quote
I believe CCP employees should not have playable characters on Tranquility.
Not because I fear their /TR ME JITA commands, because only specially configured characters can use them, and they are all tracked.
It's because it weakens the game.
You might sit back in glee that you just killed a character in combat, but he/she might (for all we know) be an employee of CCP and cares very little for losing a ship, or losing anything to be honest.
If Staff need to test - use Sinq. If Staff want to play this game - leave CCP and have a sense of pride over your character. If Staff are not using their free account - delete it (some devs cannot even be bothered to create an avatar ffs, shows they care, doesn't it)
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002.
somethingjustgotreal.com |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1837
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:25:00 -
[512] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Quote: Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again
Well, he didn't say ban. Removing the more vicious unsubstansiated accusations would be appropriate. As to the latter, you have a point. even that though, from the more tinfoily will enflame their opinion that theyre right CAUSE their post got snipped
That's a win/win situation though.
We don't have to suffer through the same regurgitated nonsense that has long since lost it's entertainment value, and their life is give some form of tenuous validation... quite possible saving them from self inflicted harm they might otherwise do themselves as a result of being a laughing stock.
I would consider it a not only a public service, but a humanitarian act. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:26:00 -
[513] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Quote: Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again
Well, he didn't say ban. Removing the more vicious unsubstansiated accusations would be appropriate. As to the latter, you have a point. even that though, from the more tinfoily will enflame their opinion that theyre right CAUSE their post got snipped That's a win/win situation though. We don't have to suffer through the same regurgitated nonsense that has long since lost it's entertainment value, and their life is give some form of tenuous validation... quite possible saving them from self inflicted harm they might otherwise do themselves as a result of being a laughing stock. I would consider it a not only a public service, but a humanitarian act.
Lol Sreegs'; is gonna be busy, unless theyre gonna charge the ISDs with it. Youre talking like half the active threads nowadays http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1391
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:30:00 -
[514] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Quote: Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again
Well, he didn't say ban. Removing the more vicious unsubstansiated accusations would be appropriate. As to the latter, you have a point. even that though, from the more tinfoily will enflame their opinion that theyre right CAUSE their post got snipped
I'm afraid that when it comes to reality those opinions really aren't relevant to either current legal practice or our obligations to our employees. Having an opinion isn't carte blanche to character assassinate no matter how much you like your spaceships.
Our employee's right to not have random people on the internet use a public forum (least of all our own) to paint them as criminals, pedophiles, or any other in the gamut of accusations that have been tossed around, including in this thread, far outweighs anyone's right to be a jerk on the internet and to be completely honest I feel like I'm posting from some alternate reality to even have to make that statement. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1837
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:42:00 -
[515] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Quote: Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again
Well, he didn't say ban. Removing the more vicious unsubstansiated accusations would be appropriate. As to the latter, you have a point. even that though, from the more tinfoily will enflame their opinion that theyre right CAUSE their post got snipped I'm afraid that when it comes to reality those opinions really aren't relevant to either current legal practice or our obligations to our employees. Having an opinion isn't carte blanche to character assassinate no matter how much you like your spaceships. Our employee's right to not have random people on the internet use a public forum (least of all our own) to paint them as criminals, pedophiles, or any other in the gamut of accusations that have been tossed around, including in this thread, far outweighs anyone's right to be a jerk on the internet and to be completely honest I feel like I'm posting from some alternate reality to even have to make that statement.
Rest assured, the vast majority of us are in complete agreement with you, all jokes aside. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
560
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:45:00 -
[516] - Quote
This thread gives me a headache.
Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
263
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:48:00 -
[517] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote: Our employee's right to not have random people on the internet use a public forum (least of all our own) to paint them as criminals, pedophiles, or any other in the gamut of accusations that have been tossed around, including in this thread, far outweighs anyone's right to be a jerk on the internet and to be completely honest I feel like I'm posting from some alternate reality to even have to make that statement.
Just because some people over play things, doesn't mean that the concerns of the more reasonable players are groundless.
Two recent examples that have certainly raised a few eye brows are Soundwave tendency to lock threads critical of Goons and the seemingly priority petition queue enjoyed by the Goons. My petitions always seem to take days or weeks to be answered I've rarely had a petitions answered in hours never mind minutes.
When allegations are made in most free western countries, the police (authorities) investigate and if necessary collect the evidence, not expect the public to do it. Internal Affairs needs to be more pro-active and seen to be so. However I don't believe that means the Dev should automatically loose their job, but lesser punishments for lesser transgression would make this less of all or nothing scenario. e.g. lose the Character in the alliance is appropriate for creating a conflict of interest by seeming to favour that alliance. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
410
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:50:00 -
[518] - Quote
This thread is horrible and many of you should feel ashamed for lowering your standards that far down to post in it. You may as well sell your humanity while you are at it. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
560
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:52:00 -
[519] - Quote
Wyke Mossari wrote:
Two recent examples that have certainly raised a few eye brows are Soundwave tendency to lock threads critical of Goons
Mainly this is because most threads created about Goons are the same whining nonfactual accusations, that do nothing but clog the forums up.
Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:55:00 -
[520] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote: YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE
Wait... you think CCP is going to fire someone over this thread? No, but I do think it's ****** up to try and damage a company reputation because your gun mining got nerfed. It was gun mining for you, wasn't it? Ed: Actually sorry, I mixed you up with someone else. My apologies.
Thanks, no worries.
And quite honestly some of the more inane and hysterical defenses of something that never even happened are doing more damage than the baseless claims themselves. The smart play was made early: "We have a process, here it is, but you'll have to give us something real".
Nothing beyond that makes anything better.
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HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:56:00 -
[521] - Quote
i dont know what the big fuss is, all goon forum accounts are just alts of npc corp players |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:00:00 -
[522] - Quote
Andrey Wartooth wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:I don't think you understood my post. The excuse of Icelandic law COULD very well be valid. Since it seems it falls heavily on contracts and unions. That doesn't mean that the agreements and contracts they have NOW is the same as they where when T20 happened. So while HE might have gotten away with it THEN, they probably can't get away with it NOW due to contract/agreement changes because of what happened.. How long ago was T20? Almost 5 years? That's a long time in law. t20 "got away with it" because CCP discovered his misconduct about half a year before the players did while half the company was on vacation |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1393
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:03:00 -
[523] - Quote
Wyke Mossari wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Our employee's right to not have random people on the internet use a public forum (least of all our own) to paint them as criminals, pedophiles, or any other in the gamut of accusations that have been tossed around, including in this thread, far outweighs anyone's right to be a jerk on the internet and to be completely honest I feel like I'm posting from some alternate reality to even have to make that statement.
Just because some people over play things, doesn't mean that the concerns of the more reasonable players are groundless. Two recent examples that have certainly raised a few eye brows are Soundwave tendency to lock threads critical of Goons and the seemingly priority petition queue enjoyed by the Goons. My petitions always seem to take days or weeks to be answered I've certainly never had a petition answered in hours never mind minutes. When allegations are made in most free western countries, the police (authorities) investigate and if necessary collect the evidence, not expect the public to do it. Internal Affairs needs to be more pro-active and seen to be so. However I don't believe that means the Dev should automatically loose their job, but lesser punishments for lesser transgression would make this less of all or nothing scenario. e.g. lose the Character in the alliance is appropriate for creating a conflict of interest by seeming to favour that alliance.
Nobody said IA doesn't collect evidence. Quite to the contrary. What we said is that if there's some basis for your accusations (which I presume one would have before they made any) then you should send it to IA.
Soundwave can't even lock threads to my knowledge which would put that one right up there with the rest of the baseless accusations which have been made in this thread. If you feel this is happening somehow you can send the locked threads in a list to IA and an investigation will be performed. THAT is how you do it. They will see who locked each thread and why.
Your request for IA to be open is as common as people asking for proof when it comes to our investigative process. The bottom line is that the nature of the job is such that this is never going to happen in many cases for legal reasons. You can keep banging that drum if you like but it's never going to become reality. You may as well ask to see everyone's HR file because it's the exact same thing.
I want to be clear as well that my posts were not a request but a rather pointed warning that the behavior in question is completely unacceptable. This isn't a situation where I'm lamenting impotently the loss of civility in the social discourse, but rather one where I'm stating quite pointedly that this behavior is going to cease one way or another.
"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:10:00 -
[524] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote: Nobody said IA doesn't collect evidence. Quite to the contrary. What we said is that if there's some basis for your accusations (which I presume one would have before they made any) then you should send it to IA.
Soundwave can't even lock threads to my knowledge which would put that one right up there with the rest of the baseless accusations which have been made in this thread. If you feel this is happening somehow you can send the locked threads in a list to IA and an investigation will be performed. THAT is how you do it. They will see who locked each thread and why.
Your request for IA to be open is as common as people asking for proof when it comes to our investigative process. The bottom line is that the nature of the job is such that this is never going to happen in many cases for legal reasons. You can keep banging that drum if you like but it's never going to become reality. You may as well ask to see everyone's HR file because it's the exact same thing.
I want to be clear as well that my posts were not a request but a rather pointed warning that the behavior in question is completely unacceptable. This isn't a situation where I'm lamenting impotently the loss of civility in the social discourse, but rather one where I'm stating quite pointedly that this behavior is going to cease one way or another.
Plenty of reasons have been given. Try answering them.
I especially like the 15 minute response time for Goon petitions.
I know, I know, they filed more than one petition and that NEVER EVER has that happened in a massive PvP game. NEVER EVER.
So having more than one petition is such a monumental event that it had to be responded to more than 100x faster than normal.
Needless to say, no information, nor the name of, the GM answering the petition will be released.
So you can conceal evidence all you want, but it doesn't make you look innocent. Quite the opposite.
And to be clear I strongly suspect that GM is a Goon friend and rendered the decision he did because he was a friend of the Goon.
Discussion of this case and the evidence presented is all over this forum. |
Cutout Man
Archimedean Point
7
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:10:00 -
[525] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to. If CCP employees are so easily trolled and possess so little restraint, one wonders about their ability to maintain self control. If they feel compelled to respond with snark under their own name, will that compulsion lead to further action under some other name? Ingame actions? Petty bannings and forum pruning? GM's who recognize a name and deny petitions? Are my account details being relayed to Mittens via cell phone? Who knows? The flip side of secrecy is the inability to prove your innocence. We have to trust you. In case you haven't noticed, EVE has a way of destroying trust. It doesn't help that the things we're discussing have actually occurred. As I said previously, perhaps you should consider nice bland, stock responses for these sorts of threads. Jumping in with both feet to kick the asses of trolls is probably not a good thing. It just keeps the thread alive longer with a little blue tag that makes it all that more seductive. If the posts were truly libelous, then "not tolerated" should be manifested as bannings, deletions, and locks.
Personally, I think anything that might appear to be collusion betwee CCP and EUNI (another favorite target for these types of accusations) or Goons is simply a manifestation of a CCP initiative to help build long term good guys and bad guys into the game. Player driven content provides a lot of challenges and a consistent environment of aggressive, hostile acts is hard to keep going outside of RL. Why allow Burn Jita? Pissed victims want to inflict harm on their attackers. Why keep EUNI safe from wars? To keep noobs from quitting before they pay for their first sub. If people stopped placing the Goons at the top of the boogeyman list, they'd see most of what happens for what it is: RL business decisions.
PS- I love your anti-botting efforts and your dev blogs are always a good read. You might want to occasionally take a step or two back from things to realize that all of us posters are playing a game. The manipulation of reality is part of it. Accusations from random trolls shuoldn't lead to feeling insulted and libeled. You're just feeding them what they want. They have clearly ruffled your feathers. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1397
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:19:00 -
[526] - Quote
Cutout Man wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:I could also tell you that there's a big difference between questioning a system (which can't be discussed in detail anyway) and making personal and libelous accusations on a public forum. That simply won't be tolerated and is what many of those responses refer to. If CCP employees are so easily trolled and possess so little restraint, one wonders about their ability to maintain self control. If they feel compelled to respond with snark under their own name, will that compulsion lead to further action under some other name? Ingame actions? Petty bannings and forum pruning? GM's who recognize a name and deny petitions? Are my account details being relayed to Mittens via cell phone? Who knows? The flip side of secrecy is the inability to prove your innocence. We have to trust you. In case you haven't noticed, EVE has a way of destroying trust. It doesn't help that the things we're discussing have actually occurred. As I said previously, perhaps you should consider nice bland, stock responses for these sorts of threads. Jumping in with both feet to kick the asses of trolls is probably not a good thing. It just keeps the thread alive longer with a little blue tag that makes it all that more seductive. If the posts were truly libelous, then "not tolerated" should be manifested as bannings, deletions, and locks. Personally, I think anything that might appear to be collusion betwee CCP and EUNI (another favorite target for these types of accusations) or Goons is simply a manifestation of a CCP initiative to help build long term good guys and bad guys into the game. Player driven content provides a lot of challenges and a consistent environment of aggressive, hostile acts is hard to keep going outside of RL. Why allow Burn Jita? Pissed victims want to inflict harm on their attackers. Why keep EUNI safe from wars? To keep noobs from quitting before they pay for their first sub. If people stopped placing the Goons at the top of the boogeyman list, they'd see most of what happens for what it is: RL business decisions. PS- I love your anti-botting efforts and your dev blogs are always a good read. You might want to occasionally take a step or two back from things to realize that all of us posters are playing a game. The manipulation of reality is part of it. Accusations from random trolls shuoldn't lead to feeling insulted and libeled. You're just feeding them what they want. They have clearly ruffled your feathers.
Our employees and their careers are not part of your forum game and are off limits. That's the point. It's one thing to make a post like "JESUS GOONS ARE ALL DEVS". That's a terrible post but within the limits. "CCP Sreegs is running an RMT operation on the side and also runs a meth lab" is not. Does that make sense? It's not even a matter of what I do or don't like it's a matter of our employees right to not have our forum used to damage their individual and very real personal reputations or standing in their respective communities. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1397
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:20:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Nobody said IA doesn't collect evidence. Quite to the contrary. What we said is that if there's some basis for your accusations (which I presume one would have before they made any) then you should send it to IA.
Soundwave can't even lock threads to my knowledge which would put that one right up there with the rest of the baseless accusations which have been made in this thread. If you feel this is happening somehow you can send the locked threads in a list to IA and an investigation will be performed. THAT is how you do it. They will see who locked each thread and why.
Your request for IA to be open is as common as people asking for proof when it comes to our investigative process. The bottom line is that the nature of the job is such that this is never going to happen in many cases for legal reasons. You can keep banging that drum if you like but it's never going to become reality. You may as well ask to see everyone's HR file because it's the exact same thing.
I want to be clear as well that my posts were not a request but a rather pointed warning that the behavior in question is completely unacceptable. This isn't a situation where I'm lamenting impotently the loss of civility in the social discourse, but rather one where I'm stating quite pointedly that this behavior is going to cease one way or another.
Plenty of reasons have been given. Try answering them. I especially like the 15 minute response time for Goon petitions. I know, I know, they filed more than one petition and that NEVER EVER has that happened in a massive PvP game. NEVER EVER. So having more than one petition is such a monumental event that it had to be responded to more than 100x faster than normal. Needless to say, no information, nor the name of, the GM answering the petition will be released. So you can conceal evidence all you want, but it doesn't make you look innocent. Quite the opposite. And to be clear I strongly suspect that GM is a Goon friend and rendered the decision he did because he was a friend of the Goon. Discussion of this case and the evidence presented is all over this forum.
The IA email address which has been linked repeatedly is the perfect place for this post.
"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:23:00 -
[528] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Nobody said IA doesn't collect evidence. Quite to the contrary. What we said is that if there's some basis for your accusations (which I presume one would have before they made any) then you should send it to IA.
Soundwave can't even lock threads to my knowledge which would put that one right up there with the rest of the baseless accusations which have been made in this thread. If you feel this is happening somehow you can send the locked threads in a list to IA and an investigation will be performed. THAT is how you do it. They will see who locked each thread and why.
Your request for IA to be open is as common as people asking for proof when it comes to our investigative process. The bottom line is that the nature of the job is such that this is never going to happen in many cases for legal reasons. You can keep banging that drum if you like but it's never going to become reality. You may as well ask to see everyone's HR file because it's the exact same thing.
I want to be clear as well that my posts were not a request but a rather pointed warning that the behavior in question is completely unacceptable. This isn't a situation where I'm lamenting impotently the loss of civility in the social discourse, but rather one where I'm stating quite pointedly that this behavior is going to cease one way or another.
Plenty of reasons have been given. Try answering them. I especially like the 15 minute response time for Goon petitions. I know, I know, they filed more than one petition and that NEVER EVER has that happened in a massive PvP game. NEVER EVER. So having more than one petition is such a monumental event that it had to be responded to more than 100x faster than normal. Needless to say, no information, nor the name of, the GM answering the petition will be released. So you can conceal evidence all you want, but it doesn't make you look innocent. Quite the opposite. And to be clear I strongly suspect that GM is a Goon friend and rendered the decision he did because he was a friend of the Goon. Discussion of this case and the evidence presented is all over this forum. The IA email address which has been linked repeatedly is the perfect place for this post.
I thought you wanted to have a chat about how baseless our allegations are?
Because I REALLY want to have a chat about how baseless our allegations are. |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
260
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:25:00 -
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"All of this has happened before and will happen again".
CCP got dragged into this largely pointless argument back when Band of Brothers was in the ascendency. Players demanded CCP withdraw from EVE and the games development took a nose dive as a result.
Conspiracy theories and tin foil hattery will always abound in EVE Online - if players don't trust the devs then they can take the ultimate sanction and vote with their wallets and unsub.
Its time to lock the thread.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1837
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:26:00 -
[530] - Quote
There is a big difference from having his personal feathers ruffled, and simply stating that outright slander is not allowed.
Nonsense like this thread can irritate and/or amuse the rest of us, but once the line has been crossed CCP is fully within their rights to put the hammer down on it.
As I stated before, nobody expects all of the threads on these forums be be based in fact. However when it comes to blantant accusations of professional misconduct then it steps over that line.
If you have substantiation, you know how to report it. Otherwise, people need to nip it. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1398
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:28:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Nobody said IA doesn't collect evidence. Quite to the contrary. What we said is that if there's some basis for your accusations (which I presume one would have before they made any) then you should send it to IA.
Soundwave can't even lock threads to my knowledge which would put that one right up there with the rest of the baseless accusations which have been made in this thread. If you feel this is happening somehow you can send the locked threads in a list to IA and an investigation will be performed. THAT is how you do it. They will see who locked each thread and why.
Your request for IA to be open is as common as people asking for proof when it comes to our investigative process. The bottom line is that the nature of the job is such that this is never going to happen in many cases for legal reasons. You can keep banging that drum if you like but it's never going to become reality. You may as well ask to see everyone's HR file because it's the exact same thing.
I want to be clear as well that my posts were not a request but a rather pointed warning that the behavior in question is completely unacceptable. This isn't a situation where I'm lamenting impotently the loss of civility in the social discourse, but rather one where I'm stating quite pointedly that this behavior is going to cease one way or another.
Plenty of reasons have been given. Try answering them. I especially like the 15 minute response time for Goon petitions. I know, I know, they filed more than one petition and that NEVER EVER has that happened in a massive PvP game. NEVER EVER. So having more than one petition is such a monumental event that it had to be responded to more than 100x faster than normal. Needless to say, no information, nor the name of, the GM answering the petition will be released. So you can conceal evidence all you want, but it doesn't make you look innocent. Quite the opposite. And to be clear I strongly suspect that GM is a Goon friend and rendered the decision he did because he was a friend of the Goon. Discussion of this case and the evidence presented is all over this forum. The IA email address which has been linked repeatedly is the perfect place for this post. I thought you wanted to have a chat about how baseless our allegations are? Because I REALLY want to have a chat about how baseless our allegations are.
Would you like an investigation to happen or would you prefer to just make posts on the internet? If you want an investigation to happen then you can send your issue to IA. Would that I could simply query the magical answer to every question ever asked on the spot database and spit one out for you, but I cannot. The forums are also not the place for this and I encourage you to check out the TOS. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
86
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:32:00 -
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WOW!! What a thread!!
I sometimes feel that there is a force outside EVE/CCP that continuously tries to screw this game up.
"Its about the mission Master. Its something... elsewhere. Elusive." |
Josef Djugashvilis
157
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:40:00 -
[533] - Quote
Just lock the damn thread and have done with it. You want fries with that? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1838
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:42:00 -
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Quote:Discussion of this case and the evidence presented is all over this forum.
You do realize, that depending on the nature of the petition, a response within minutes is not that uncommon.
I have had personal petitions (concerning stuck issues or an exploit) and been part of larger group (fleet battle based) petitions that have received equally fast results. I have also had to wait a couple of weeks for a response for other issues.
It all depends on the nature of the petition.
Most people understand this. Most people also understand that all things "Burn Jita" related were being monitored closely for issues, both for player problems/issues and to make sure that no game breaking bugs surfaced.
Not being able to wrap your head around these very simple facts is a far cry from being some sort of "evidence" of favoritism or misconduct. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1420
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:45:00 -
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If you are known, you get petitions answered faster.
If I petition on Mr Epeen instead of one of my less known characters, it gets answered faster and is more likely actually read than auto-answered.
So it stands to reason that if I had a name like 'The Mittani', for instance, anything I petition will be noticed almost immediately and jumped to the front of the queue. It's just the way people are. They are attracted to the familiar. GMs included.
No tin foil. Just an observation on common human behavior. The tinfoil will come out when the sputtering denials start coming out in barred posts.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1628
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:46:00 -
[536] - Quote
If CCP didn't play EVE we would not have had the corp bookmarks update. This thread is pointless. Only an idiot would expect a game company to NOT play their own game. A more logical and braindead common sense approach would be to request heavier policing of CCP accounts. Then again this entire thread is based on conjecture and there is absolutely no fact behind the OP's reasoning for making this thread.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1838
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:47:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:If you are known, you get petitions answered faster. If I petition on Mr Epeen instead of one of my less known characters, it gets answered faster and is more likely actually read than auto-answered. So it stands to reason that if I had a name like 'The Mittani', for instance, anything I petition will be noticed almost immediately and jumped to the front of the queue. It's just the way people are. They are attracted to the familiar. GMs included. No tin foil. Just an observation on common human behavior. The tinfoil will come out when the sputtering denials start coming out in barred posts. Mr Epeen
You do realize that petitions are sorted into ques based on different categories before people even look at them right? When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1420
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:52:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:If you are known, you get petitions answered faster. If I petition on Mr Epeen instead of one of my less known characters, it gets answered faster and is more likely actually read than auto-answered. So it stands to reason that if I had a name like 'The Mittani', for instance, anything I petition will be noticed almost immediately and jumped to the front of the queue. It's just the way people are. They are attracted to the familiar. GMs included. No tin foil. Just an observation on common human behavior. The tinfoil will come out when the sputtering denials start coming out in barred posts. Mr Epeen You do realize that petitions are sorted into ques based on different categories before people even look at them right?
As soon as I hit post, I knew I would see this almost immediately. Of course I know. And of course I am not comparing apples and oranges. I am basing it on response times from my own experience when submitting similar claims on different characters.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:53:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:If you are known, you get petitions answered faster. If I petition on Mr Epeen instead of one of my less known characters, it gets answered faster and is more likely actually read than auto-answered. So it stands to reason that if I had a name like 'The Mittani', for instance, anything I petition will be noticed almost immediately and jumped to the front of the queue. It's just the way people are. They are attracted to the familiar. GMs included. No tin foil. Just an observation on common human behavior. The tinfoil will come out when the sputtering denials start coming out in barred posts. Mr Epeen You do realize that petitions are sorted into ques based on different categories before people even look at them right? As soon as I hit post, I knew I would see this almost immediately. Of course I know. And of course I am not comparing apples and oranges. I am basing it on response times from my own experience when submitting similar claims on different characters. Mr Epeen
I know I've had some petitions that are answered within a few minutes to a few hours, and I've had some petitions answered within a few weeks. It all depends on what it is filed under. It's just like calling in to a call center, if there isn't a huge queue you get to someone faster. |
michael boltonIII
169
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:55:00 -
[540] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:If you are known, you get petitions answered faster. If I petition on Mr Epeen instead of one of my less known characters, it gets answered faster and is more likely actually read than auto-answered. So it stands to reason that if I had a name like 'The Mittani', for instance, anything I petition will be noticed almost immediately and jumped to the front of the queue. It's just the way people are. They are attracted to the familiar. GMs included. No tin foil. Just an observation on common human behavior. The tinfoil will come out when the sputtering denials start coming out in barred posts. Mr Epeen
The shocking part is that nobody actually knows who you are. |
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:55:00 -
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michael boltonIII wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:If you are known, you get petitions answered faster. If I petition on Mr Epeen instead of one of my less known characters, it gets answered faster and is more likely actually read than auto-answered. So it stands to reason that if I had a name like 'The Mittani', for instance, anything I petition will be noticed almost immediately and jumped to the front of the queue. It's just the way people are. They are attracted to the familiar. GMs included. No tin foil. Just an observation on common human behavior. The tinfoil will come out when the sputtering denials start coming out in barred posts. Mr Epeen The shocking part is that nobody actually knows who you are.
He's a guy who personally signs each and every post with his name, so people can be sure it is him. |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
263
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:58:00 -
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Earlier I named the wrong GM, that was an honest mistake of faulty memory on my part. I've removed the incorrect name from my original post and apologies unreservedly to the wrongly implicated GM.
CCP Sreegs wrote:Quote: I especially like the 15 minute response time for Goon petitions.
Discussion of this case and the evidence presented is all over this forum.
The IA email address which has been linked repeatedly is the perfect place for this post.
That is one issue where IA could have being pro-active would have settled any reasonable players concerns.
All it would take would be to say something like
Quote:This (will be/has been) investigated and there (is / is not) any connection between the Goons and GM who handled the petition and appropriate action has been/will be taken. |
souldam
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:04:00 -
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Dont lisson to him he is a wow spy and wants all your gold for his sick pony ****!! they made it so we can make players cry the other side of the world So long live ccp and fuk all of you trolls who qustion ccp |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:05:00 -
[544] - Quote
Wyke Mossari wrote:Earlier I named the wrong GM, that was an honest mistake of faulty memory on my part. I've removed the incorrect name from my original post and apologies unreservedly to the wrongly implicated GM. CCP Sreegs wrote:Quote: I especially like the 15 minute response time for Goon petitions.
Discussion of this case and the evidence presented is all over this forum.
The IA email address which has been linked repeatedly is the perfect place for this post. That is one issue where IA could have being pro-active would have settled any reasonable players concerns. All it would take would be to say something like Quote:This (will be/has been) investigated and there (is / is not) any connection between the Goons and GM who handled the petition and appropriate action has been/will be taken.
Well see, legally I'd imagine that issues such as this are private. the IA Dept may not even be able to acknowledge that there is an investigation going on. |
Cutout Man
Archimedean Point
8
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:13:00 -
[545] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:Our employees and their careers are not part of your forum game and are off limits. That's the point. It's one thing to make a post like "JESUS GOONS ARE ALL DEVS". That's a terrible post but within the limits. "CCP Sreegs is running an RMT operation on the side and also runs a meth lab" is not. Does that make sense? It's not even a matter of what I do or don't like it's a matter of our employees right to not have our forum used to damage their individual and very real personal reputations or standing in their respective communities. Neither your employees nor your careers are in any danger. Talk about overblown. IA is there for that, right? Aren't they taking care of things? Can't we rely on them to find and root out all wrongdoing? If IA says its all good, then everyone else is just running their mouth, right? Further, these aren't accusations against real people... unless your name is really CCP Sreegs. Sreegs is an EVE character too, you know.
Frankly, as an ex (?) goon, I'd think you would have some better perspective on this. You don't think for one moment that anything you say will satisfy anyone making the accusations, do you? So why bother? If you're content to feed the trolls, you deserve what you get.
Here's what should have been said: "CCP [guy in charge of these things]-- We take potential cheating seriously. Cheating, by CCP employees or players, is unacceptable. Whenever we find a cheater, we take immediate steps to remove that person from the game or company and fix any problems they may have caused. If you have specific accusations, proof of any kind, or questions about activities that might potentially be cheating, please file a petition and include [relevant specifics]. CCP does not respond to vague accusations, conspiracy theories, or unsubtantiated statements about player or employee misconduct. All petitions will be reviewed carefully and, when appropriate, actions taken. Posts that make unsubstantiated accusations about CCP employees or other players will be removed and added to an Internal Affairs petition for further review."
Post it once on each page of the thread or lock the thread already. |
Shandir
Indigo Archive
129
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:17:00 -
[546] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote: Would you like an investigation to happen or would you prefer to just make posts on the internet? If you want an investigation to happen then you can send your issue to IA. Would that I could simply query the magical answer to every question ever asked on the spot database and spit one out for you, but I cannot. The forums are also not the place for this and I encourage you to check out the TOS.
I think you know by this point you're just feeding the troll/moron. Time to lock the thread and go have a laugh about this with the guys a few desks over. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
783
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:27:00 -
[547] - Quote
From a personal standpoint, I really don't care if Goon(dot), BOB(dot) or anyone else out there has CCP in their leadership. It is there game and it really does not effect my game in the slightest...
But what kind of frosts my hiney... is the incessant insistence that they are NOT there at all (even after certain historical events demonstrated that CCP employes had, once, in the past, effected the game directly with their dev powers) They most certainly are there, they have always been there and they have always been tied to the biggest and baddest alliances of the time. That is not to say that devs made said alliances great, it is only to say that they were attracted to that arena for reasons only known to them. The presence of a dev does not instantly infer misconduct as the forum trolls would have you believe.
& ATM, the biggest and most influential alliance in the game is basically goon(dot).
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So to say "We dev's are not giving players an unfair advantage, and we are not allowed to talk about our presence in game"
is one thing...
But to flat out deny that there are any DEV's in leadership roles throughout eve online (FC roles, manufacturing roles or whatever roles) inside of major player run null sec alliances like goon(dot) and friends is complete and utter bunk. You should not be able to talk about it at all, and that means that you should not be able to confirm or deny it in any way shape or form.
The only valid answer that you should be able to give us is this "Yes there could be dev's in said role. It is possible and not against the EULA... but we are not allowed to discuss it and I cannot confirm or deny whether or not their are at present. ".
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The potential is there and the possibility is there, but more pressing is the history of EVE Online which shows us that the likely hood of there being devs in said roles is greater then them not being there. This does not mean that misconduct is the inevitable outcome, but on the flip side to that people are only human at the end of the day. So yes, they are there. Yes, we know that they are there, and YES it is OK THAT THEY ARE THERE.
Just don't try and tell us that they can't/won't/will never be there, because that is just blah blah.
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Silly Slot
Phoenix Evolved Part Duo
24
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:31:00 -
[548] - Quote
michael boltonIII wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:If you are known, you get petitions answered faster. If I petition on Mr Epeen instead of one of my less known characters, it gets answered faster and is more likely actually read than auto-answered. So it stands to reason that if I had a name like 'The Mittani', for instance, anything I petition will be noticed almost immediately and jumped to the front of the queue. It's just the way people are. They are attracted to the familiar. GMs included. No tin foil. Just an observation on common human behavior. The tinfoil will come out when the sputtering denials start coming out in barred posts. Mr Epeen The shocking part is that nobody actually knows who you are.
who the hell is Mr. Epeen? Seriously your "known" lol, seriously
Someone lock this idiotic thread, if you have concerns about CCP playing the game and cheating etc, message CCP's IA department i mean wtf is forum trolling going to do
LOCK THE THREAD ALREADY |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:31:00 -
[549] - Quote
I guess the question that would be nice for someone to answer is:
Are there any CCP employees that play the game that are NOT involved or associated with GOONS and if so, are they in a High-Sec only corp? Would they publicly admit or endorse that player corporation? Is there anyone within CCP who is anti-goon?
I'd have to say that most likely the answer to this is a big NO. Otherwise, you would have heard about it by now. I've never heard of a single accusation that DEVS are involved with any other corps or alliances other than the BOB stories from years ago.
Certainly there are other large alliances that are enemies of GOONS that could make for some great gameplay for the devs if they chose to fight against them. But that wouldn't happen because of the "watch the world burn" mentality that the GOONS have and I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot, that they would protest the GM/DEV's involvement against them, and would might even try to pull a "everyone in the alliance threat to quit" card to get their way.
So really that's the lingering question. Why do the DEVs choose to get involved with GOONs rather than GOON enemies? And if there are, where are they? Why are they hiding in the shadows in regards to that but not the other way around?
Would a CCP Dev ever help a large alliance fight GOONs toward their final days?
Anyways, food for thought I guess. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1399
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:35:00 -
[550] - Quote
Wyke Mossari wrote:Earlier I named the wrong GM, that was an honest mistake of faulty memory on my part. I've removed the incorrect name from my original post and apologies unreservedly to the wrongly implicated GM. CCP Sreegs wrote:Quote: I especially like the 15 minute response time for Goon petitions.
Discussion of this case and the evidence presented is all over this forum.
The IA email address which has been linked repeatedly is the perfect place for this post. That is one issue where IA could have been pro-active would have settled any reasonable players concerns. All it would take would be to say something like : Quote:This (will be/has been) investigated and there (is / is not) any connection between the Goons and GM who handled the petition and appropriate action has been/will be taken.
IA doesn't trawl the forums looking for posts like this which shouldn't exist. You have to send an email. You will get a response. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:36:00 -
[551] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:I guess the question that would be nice for someone to answer is:
Are there any CCP employees that play the game that are NOT involved or associated with GOONS and if so, are they in a High-Sec only corp? Would they publicly admit or endorse that player corporation? Is there anyone within CCP who is anti-goon?
I'd have to say that most likely the answer to this is a big NO. Otherwise, you would have heard about it by now. I've never heard of a single accusation that DEVS are involved with any other corps or alliances other than the BOB stories from years ago.
Certainly there are other large alliances that are enemies of GOONS that could make for some great gameplay for the devs if they chose to fight against them. But that wouldn't happen because of the "watch the world burn" mentality that the GOONS have and I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot, that they would protest the GM/DEV's involvement against them, and would might even try to pull a "everyone in the alliance threat to quit" card to get their way.
So really that's the lingering question. Why do the DEVs choose to get involved with GOONs rather than GOON enemies? And if there are, where are they? Why are they hiding in the shadows in regards to that but not the other way around?
Would a CCP Dev ever help a large alliance fight GOONs toward their final days?
Anyways, food for thought I guess.
Why do you throw this out when you don't have any evidence of it? |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:39:00 -
[552] - Quote
because rationality and constructive thought is too much to ask for on eve-o |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:46:00 -
[553] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:Wyke Mossari wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Our employee's right to not have random people on the internet use a public forum (least of all our own) to paint them as criminals, pedophiles, or any other in the gamut of accusations that have been tossed around, including in this thread, far outweighs anyone's right to be a jerk on the internet and to be completely honest I feel like I'm posting from some alternate reality to even have to make that statement.
Just because some people over play things, doesn't mean that the concerns of the more reasonable players are groundless. Two recent examples that have certainly raised a few eye brows are Soundwave tendency to lock threads critical of Goons and the seemingly priority petition queue enjoyed by the Goons. My petitions always seem to take days or weeks to be answered I've certainly never had a petition answered in hours never mind minutes. When allegations are made in most free western countries, the police (authorities) investigate and if necessary collect the evidence, not expect the public to do it. Internal Affairs needs to be more pro-active and seen to be so. However I don't believe that means the Dev should automatically loose their job, but lesser punishments for lesser transgression would make this less of all or nothing scenario. e.g. lose the Character in the alliance is appropriate for creating a conflict of interest by seeming to favour that alliance. Nobody said IA doesn't collect evidence.
Dont know anything about that, what I do know is the track record to ban ppl that bring employee wrongdoings to light that you cant say their names on the forums 6 years later
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
562
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:46:00 -
[554] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:I guess the question that would be nice for someone to answer is:
Are there any CCP employees that play the game that are NOT involved or associated with GOONS and if so, are they in a High-Sec only corp? Would they publicly admit or endorse that player corporation? Is there anyone within CCP who is anti-goon?
I'd have to say that most likely the answer to this is a big NO. Otherwise, you would have heard about it by now. I've never heard of a single accusation that DEVS are involved with any other corps or alliances other than the BOB stories from years ago.
Certainly there are other large alliances that are enemies of GOONS that could make for some great gameplay for the devs if they chose to fight against them. But that wouldn't happen because of the "watch the world burn" mentality that the GOONS have and I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot, that they would protest the GM/DEV's involvement against them, and would might even try to pull a "everyone in the alliance threat to quit" card to get their way.
So really that's the lingering question. Why do the DEVs choose to get involved with GOONs rather than GOON enemies? And if there are, where are they? Why are they hiding in the shadows in regards to that but not the other way around?
Would a CCP Dev ever help a large alliance fight GOONs toward their final days?
Anyways, food for thought I guess.
This has a lot of tinfoil in it.
However if you watch any of the interviews of CCP members or Fanfest videos, you would see that A LOT if not the majority of CCP employees are actually high-sec dwellers. Who usually do casual mining or missions. Also to rebuttal your other argument, there is no definitive evidence nor has any CCP member even admit to being in Goons. The reason Sreegs and Soundwave are considered was because they USE to be members before joining CCP. Sreegs for example I believe quit Eve/Goons for while before getting hired on, pretty much after he forgot to pay alliance bills.
For all we know those who people claim to be members of Goons cut their ties long ago, or don't even play Eve seriously enough to be bothered with ingame politics. Either way we will never really know since CCP generally keeps their personal characters relationships private and for a good reason it seems.
Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:46:00 -
[555] - Quote
the evidence is there, it's called EVE history. They've done it in the past, what would keep them from doing it again? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:47:00 -
[556] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
"Goons" are people who read and post on somethingawful.com an internet website that costs 10 dollars to post to. There are hundreds of thousands of active readers.
"Goonwaffe" is the corporation in Eve Online for people who read that forum. There are maybe a few thousand members? I'm not privy to the exact figures just being some regular dude.
PS: Even if you did decide to become a somethingawful reader, you could never become a member of GSF. It is for something awful members who want to play eve online, not eve online players who want to play eve online with goonswarm.
Nice save http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF6SNxNIV08 I guess my expectations for Goons to have a thicker skin were unfounded too. I was joking at HIS expense not yours -.- Do you know how much trouble I went to to find that youtube video. Literally 30 seconds of my life went into that so you had better appreciate it.
Damnit I hate it when Goons post things that make it look like theres a human behind that bee -.-
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Nevigrofnu Mrots
Heroes of the Past Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:48:00 -
[557] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Plenty of reasons have been given. Try answering them. I especially like the 15 minute response time for Goon petitions. I know, I know, they filed more than one petition and that NEVER EVER has that happened in a massive PvP game. NEVER EVER. So having more than one petition is such a monumental event that it had to be responded to more than 100x faster than normal. Needless to say, no information, nor the name of, the GM answering the petition will be released. So you can conceal evidence all you want, but it doesn't make you look innocent. Quite the opposite. And to be clear I strongly suspect that GM is a Goon friend and rendered the decision he did because he was a friend of the Goon. Discussion of this case and the evidence presented is all over this forum.
15? nooo 5 minutes!
I start all my petitions with the frase: Im a goon and The Mitanni orders that this petition be processed now!
in less than 5 minutes I always get an answer:
"dear goon overload, please tell the mitanni to not get mad with my delay, I have a family and I need this job. About your lost ibis when gangink a JF in Jita, we will return the ibis plus a complementary Dramiel to your hanger and the JF pilot that dared not to die will be banned for 15 days as requested." |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:50:00 -
[558] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:the evidence is there, it's called EVE history. They've done it in the past, what would keep them from doing it again? that's not evidence that's baseless speculation
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:52:00 -
[559] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Quote: Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again
Well, he didn't say ban. Removing the more vicious unsubstansiated accusations would be appropriate. As to the latter, you have a point. even that though, from the more tinfoily will enflame their opinion that theyre right CAUSE their post got snipped I'm afraid that when it comes to reality those opinions really aren't relevant to either current legal practice or our obligations to our employees. Having an opinion isn't carte blanche to character assassinate no matter how much you like your spaceships. Our employee's right to not have random people on the internet use a public forum (least of all our own) to paint them as criminals, pedophiles, or any other in the gamut of accusations that have been tossed around, including in this thread, far outweighs anyone's right to be a jerk on the internet and to be completely honest I feel like I'm posting from some alternate reality to even have to make that statement.
Wait what? Whered THAT happem? Im talking about ppl saying CCP is in cahoots with Goons which fits none of the " to paint them as criminals, pedophiles," definition... I think I missed that part of the thread http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:53:00 -
[560] - Quote
Expected defensive response by a GOON
the BOB Tech 2 BPO stain will always linger |
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:55:00 -
[561] - Quote
HVAC Repairman wrote:arcca jeth wrote:the evidence is there, it's called EVE history. They've done it in the past, what would keep them from doing it again? that's not evidence that's baseless speculation Baseless speculation based on past events.
It'd be like insisting that President Obama built secret internment camps for Japanese people because the US did it during World War II. |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:58:00 -
[562] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:Expected defensive response by a GOON
the BOB Tech 2 BPO stain will always linger expected response from a hisec tinfoil hat wearing mouth breathing pubbie
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:58:00 -
[563] - Quote
no, but they dedicated out of county prisons (detainment camps) for enemies of the U.S. which happen to be mostly arab/islamic extremists. Not copy and paste but maybe, copy/paste,edit for modern day acceptance |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
664
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:59:00 -
[564] - Quote
Brooks Puuntai wrote:reegs for example I believe quit Eve/Goons for awhile before getting hired on, pretty much after he forgot to pay alliance bills. Forgetting to pay bills is pretty big Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:59:00 -
[565] - Quote
HVAC Repairman wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Expected defensive response by a GOON
the BOB Tech 2 BPO stain will always linger expected response from a hisec tinfoil hat wearing mouth breathing pubbie
lol now your resulting to name calling. how very entertaining and quite intelligent of you. just another mindless GOON |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:59:00 -
[566] - Quote
HVAC Repairman wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Expected defensive response by a GOON
the BOB Tech 2 BPO stain will always linger expected response from a hisec tinfoil hat wearing mouth breathing pubbie
Andrey Wartooth wrote:HVAC Repairman wrote:[quote=arcca jeth]the evidence is there, it's called EVE history. They've done it in the past, what would keep them from doing it again? that's not evidence that's baseless speculation Baseless speculation based on past events.
Oh crap the Goons are disagreeing! Wait! Youre not allowed to have independant thoughts in the Hive!!
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.05.10 21:00:00 -
[567] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:HVAC Repairman wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Expected defensive response by a GOON
the BOB Tech 2 BPO stain will always linger expected response from a hisec tinfoil hat wearing mouth breathing pubbie lol now your resulting to name calling. how very entertaining and quite intelligent of you. just another mindless GOON you're
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.05.10 21:01:00 -
[568] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:no, but they dedicated out of county prisons (detainment camps) for enemies of the U.S. which happen to be mostly arab/islamic extremists. Not copy and paste but maybe, copy/paste,edit for modern day acceptance
So basically you are agreeing with what I said. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.10 21:01:00 -
[569] - Quote
HVAC Repairman wrote:arcca jeth wrote:HVAC Repairman wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Expected defensive response by a GOON
the BOB Tech 2 BPO stain will always linger expected response from a hisec tinfoil hat wearing mouth breathing pubbie lol now your resulting to name calling. how very entertaining and quite intelligent of you. just another mindless GOON you're
I type how i want sucka |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.05.10 21:03:00 -
[570] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: Oh crap the Goons are disagreeing! Wait! Youre not allowed to have independant thoughts in the Hive!!
I was agreeing with him and adding my own thoughts to it. |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 21:03:00 -
[571] - Quote
arcca jeth wrote:HVAC Repairman wrote:arcca jeth wrote:HVAC Repairman wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Expected defensive response by a GOON
the BOB Tech 2 BPO stain will always linger expected response from a hisec tinfoil hat wearing mouth breathing pubbie lol now your resulting to name calling. how very entertaining and quite intelligent of you. just another mindless GOON you're I type how i want sucka
Its at that point the gewn got blocked like he should have been anyways lol
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.05.10 21:04:00 -
[572] - Quote
me too maybe we can use this common shared interest to repair the strained relationship between our two cultures |
Hestja
POBEDIT oao
1
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Posted - 2012.05.10 21:04:00 -
[573] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote: CCP employees must be removed from the game.
nooo!!! they drop nice loot
but yeah, CCP plays there own game, nothing u can do about that |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2012.05.10 21:05:00 -
[574] - Quote
Brooks Puuntai wrote:This thread gives me a headache.
I like your sig
Hestja wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote: CCP employees must be removed from the game.
nooo!!! they drop nice loot but yeah, CCP plays there own game, nothing u can do about that
Dont they remove that loot when players get it?
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