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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:55:00 -
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After digesting the myriad threads bouncing between "protect lazy miners!" and "easy suicide ganking is a fundamental right!" I have the solution: Mining Drones. Specifically, Heavy Mining Drones and Sentry Mining Drones.
If we assume a similar scale in base firepower between combat drones and mining drones, then that gives us: * 5x Heavy Mining Drones: ~998 m3 of ore per minute * 5x Sentry Mining Drones: ~1040 m3 of ore per minute * plus whatever Miner IIs you can fit versus * Hulk with 3x strip miners, 2xMLUs and t2 crystals: 1547 m3 of ore per minute
How is this a solution? Simple, it allows: * miners to mine in battleships * gankers to smartbomb the miners' expensive mining drones (drones have even less tanking options than Hulks.) thus * keeping miner ship loss costs down (just the drones are lost) * reducing the amount of minerals coming into the game, thus making minerals more expensive and mining more profitable * requiring human miners be at the keyboard due to the smaller cargoholds of battleships filling up more often * making miner bots super-hard to detect, thus eliminating the need for CCP to investigate mining bots (because, let's face it, investigating claims of botting is even more booooooooooooooooooooring than mining.) * depressing mineral values since bots are now much harder to detect and thus can run 23x7. * increases the LOL factor as a bot miner sits there for the rest of the day with no drones after the drones were ganked * increases the LOL factor as bot miners are bumped out of range of their sentry mining drones. * increases the LOL factor as Heavy Mining Drones get caught up in the geometry and the mining bot warps away without recovering it
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Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:57:00 -
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Came here expecting butthurt, and found a genuinely decent proposal instead. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
617
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:58:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:* requiring human miners be at the keyboard due to the smaller cargoholds of battleships filling up more often * making miner bots super-hard to detect, thus eliminating the need for CCP to investigate mining bots (because, let's face it, investigating claims of botting is even more booooooooooooooooooooring than mining.) Heh, nice one. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hulkageddon Orphanage
1122
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:01:00 -
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Mining should have a captcha everytime cargo gets full or it jettisons |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
286
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:15:00 -
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This actually isn't a bad idea. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
617
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:20:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Mining should have a captcha everytime cargo gets full or it jettisons Isn't that good though? Auto-jetcannng? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3688
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:28:00 -
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I am in favour of expanding the range of mining drones.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Eric Konway
Silverwing Explorers Unfamiliar Presence
4
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:14:00 -
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The proud and noble battleship, reduced to a common mining boat... that's a depressing thought.... |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
556
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:16:00 -
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Eric Konway wrote:The proud and noble battleship, reduced to a common mining boat... that's a depressing thought.... Which miners will then fit for max yield and simultaneously complain about the excessive ease of ganking it.
Some things will never change... He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Eric Konway
Silverwing Explorers Unfamiliar Presence
4
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:25:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Eric Konway wrote:The proud and noble battleship, reduced to a common mining boat... that's a depressing thought.... Which miners will then fit for max yield and simultaneously complain about the excessive ease of ganking it. Some things will never change...
Meh, they can take an Iowa's 16" and shove it up their... eh... nevermind. |
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Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
283
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:29:00 -
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http://www.hark.com/clips/gbwlfhtdsg-im-strangely-comfortable-with-it Passive aggression, huh? -áNo, that's fine. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
899
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:57:00 -
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I like the idea, but there is no kill mails for suicide ganking drones. So you will never get any real support due to that. Make no mistake. They do not suicide gank to deal with bots or any of that. It is all about destroying high costing ships while risking nothing at all. They come for the kill mails and make no effort to distinguish between bots or actual human at the keyboard.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
121
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Posted - 2012.05.08 08:18:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote: * gankers to smartbomb the miners' expensive mining drones (drones have even less tanking options than Hulks.)
lol wtf
stoicfaux wrote: * reducing the amount of minerals coming into the game, thus making minerals more expensive and mining more profitable * depressing mineral values since bots are now much harder to detect and thus can run 23x7.
lol wtf
stoicfaux wrote: * requiring human miners be at the keyboard due to the smaller cargoholds of battleships filling up more often * making miner bots super-hard to detect, thus eliminating the need for CCP to investigate mining bots (because, let's face it, investigating claims of botting is even more booooooooooooooooooooring than mining.)
lol wtf There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3695
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Posted - 2012.05.08 08:19:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:I like the idea, but there is no kill mails for suicide ganking drones. So you will never get any real support due to that. Make no mistake. They do not suicide gank to deal with bots or any of that. It is all about destroying high costing ships while risking nothing at all. They come for the kill mails and make no effort to distinguish between bots or actual human at the keyboard.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1478
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Posted - 2012.05.08 08:56:00 -
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I'd say that the numbers are off, since the total of the maxed out BS + Drones shouldn't pull more than a Hulk, but I think this is the first anti-ganker idea I've seen here that I like. Also, Sentries should have a lower yield than heavies to compensate for travel time.
There is one other glaring problem. Carriers. 15 of those would let Carriers once again take the lead in mineral m3/hr after only a week and a half of Hulks regaining their rightful place.
Otherwise, well thought out, sir. +1/2 Internets*.
*was gonna be +1, then I thought of Carriers. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
520
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Posted - 2012.05.08 09:45:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:I like the idea, but there is no kill mails for suicide ganking drones. So you will never get any real support due to that. Make no mistake. They do not suicide gank to deal with bots or any of that. It is all about destroying high costing ships while risking nothing at all. They come for the kill mails and make no effort to distinguish between bots or actual human at the keyboard.
And you wake up every morning because you are a pedophile.
Are we done speaking for other people yet or do I need to tell you more about yourself?
Now to the OP.
Sure, you can make mining sentry drones that replace the need for barges. Just make sure you add scouting drones to the game. Because I don't like the risk of scanning. And add cyno drones, as I don't like the risk of opening a cyno. And gas mining drones. And Ice. Because it wont hurt now that orcas can mine 700 cubic meters a minute completely AFK with 250k EHP. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.05.08 09:55:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:After digesting the myriad threads bouncing between "protect lazy miners!" and "easy suicide ganking is a fundamental right!" I have the solution: Mining Drones. Specifically, Heavy Mining Drones and Sentry Mining Drones.
If we assume a similar scale in base firepower between combat drones and mining drones, then that gives us: * 5x Heavy Mining Drones: ~998 m3 of ore per minute * 5x Sentry Mining Drones: ~1040 m3 of ore per minute * plus whatever Miner IIs you can fit versus * Hulk with 3x strip miners, 2xMLUs and t2 crystals: 1547 m3 of ore per minute
How is this a solution? Simple, it allows: * miners to mine in battleships * gankers to smartbomb the miners' expensive mining drones (drones have even less tanking options than Hulks.) thus * keeping miner ship loss costs down (just the drones are lost) * reducing the amount of minerals coming into the game, thus making minerals more expensive and mining more profitable * requiring human miners be at the keyboard due to the smaller cargoholds of battleships filling up more often * making miner bots super-hard to detect, thus eliminating the need for CCP to investigate mining bots (because, let's face it, investigating claims of botting is even more booooooooooooooooooooring than mining.) * depressing mineral values since bots are now much harder to detect and thus can run 23x7. * increases the LOL factor as a bot miner sits there for the rest of the day with no drones after the drones were ganked * increases the LOL factor as bot miners are bumped out of range of their sentry mining drones. * increases the LOL factor as Heavy Mining Drones get caught up in the geometry and the mining bot warps away without recovering it
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Yes but it reduces the antisocial personality disorder need to cause harm to others so they may get sexual release. Im betting the gankers will say no. Not for THAT reason ofc
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.05.08 10:02:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:I like the idea, but there is no kill mails for suicide ganking drones. So you will never get any real support due to that. Make no mistake. They do not suicide gank to deal with bots or any of that. It is all about destroying high costing ships while risking nothing at all. They come for the kill mails and make no effort to distinguish between bots or actual human at the keyboard. And you wake up every morning because you are a pedophile. Are we done speaking for other people yet or do I need to tell you more about yourself? Now to the OP. Sure, you can make mining sentry drones that replace the need for barges. Just make sure you add scouting drones to the game. Because I don't like the risk of scanning. And add cyno drones, as I don't like the risk of opening a cyno. And gas mining drones. And Ice. Because it wont hurt now that orcas can mine 700 cubic meters a minute completely AFK with 250k EHP.
Yeah its SUUUUCH a slippery slope. We could add combat drones cause you wouldnt wanna do combat anymore after that and EWAR drones and...
Oh wait we HAVE those?!
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Radoico
The Children of New Eden The Periphery
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:25:00 -
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Well, it seems a good idea... I will go for it it (must improve some skills). Let's see what happen.
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
642
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:30:00 -
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Get rid of everything related to the mining profession, seed minerals once again with trit starting at 1000 isk (oh yeah, its going to be expensive losses for everyone!)
Problem solved, no source for ganking means miners cannot be ganked (as they do not exist). Simple, well though logic to fix the problem. |
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Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:36:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Which miners will then fit for max yield and simultaneously complain about the excessive ease of ganking it. Some things will never change...
Even fit for max yield, it won't be terribly cost effective to gank it. Figuring you stuff the lows with cargohold expanders, you can still fit a large tank in the midslots, especially for natural shield tanking battleships. Even untanked, you're looking at at least 1.5 tornados to gank a battleship that only costs a bit more than the ganking ships.
At least it will force gankers to spend some money instead of getting off in cheap destroyers. |
Eric Konway
Silverwing Explorers Unfamiliar Presence
6
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:58:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
[quote=Eric Konway]The proud and noble battleship, reduced to a common mining boat... that's a depressing thought....
Well.... theyre currently mothballed and completely unused IRL lol
It makes sense to start using combat ships in a noncombat role when the need is dire. [quote=Antisocial Malkavian]
True. But once we figure out EM Propulsion weapons and refit them with Nuclear reactors, they'll be kings of the water again, Baby! |
stoicfaux
1033
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:22:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote: Sure, you can make mining sentry drones that replace the need for barges. Just make sure you add scouting drones to the game. Because I don't like the risk of scanning. And add cyno drones, as I don't like the risk of opening a cyno. And gas mining drones. And Ice. Because it wont hurt now that orcas can mine 700 cubic meters a minute completely AFK with 250k EHP.
Three Words: Learning Implant Drones.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1479
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:30:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Battleship only mining drone class? There are no mods in gave that are only one class of ship?
Sloppy. Balance them with an eye for the fact that Carriers (the "I specialize in having ALL-THE-DRONES boat) should be able to use all the drones. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
stoicfaux
1035
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:28:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Battleship only mining drone class? There are no mods in gave that are only one class of ship?
Sloppy. Balance them with an eye for the fact that Carriers (the "I specialize in having ALL-THE-DRONES boat) should be able to use all the drones. Balancing might not be needed.
Mining bonuses don't affect drones. With a Rorqual's foreman links, the Hulk's m3 per minute goes up to ~2,100 (plus any medium mining drones.) By comparison a hypothetical Archon with 15 Heavy/Sentry Mining Drones would pull in ~3,000 m3/min. Given the cost difference, tactical considerations, etc., carrier mining may be balanced.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
630
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:30:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Battleship only mining drone class? There are no mods in gave that are only one class of ship?
Sloppy. Balance them with an eye for the fact that Carriers (the "I specialize in having ALL-THE-DRONES boat) should be able to use all the drones. Balancing might not be needed. Mining bonuses don't affect drones. With a Rorqual's foreman links, the Hulk's m3 per minute goes up to ~2,100 (plus any medium mining drones.) By comparison a hypothetical Archon with 15 Heavy/Sentry Mining Drones would pull in ~3,000 m3/min. Given the cost difference, tactical considerations, etc., carrier mining may be balanced. I heard that CCP said no higher mining yield than a hulk. Is that actually true or not? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2201
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:34:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:I like the idea, but there is no kill mails for suicide ganking drones. So you will never get any real support due to that. Make no mistake. They do not suicide gank to deal with bots or any of that. It is all about destroying high costing ships while risking nothing at all. They come for the kill mails and make no effort to distinguish between bots or actual human at the keyboard. LOL No Risk? They lose their ship every time they gank something. You sound like a moron. Suicide ganking is very dangerous and every time you even try it you lose something even if you are successful or not. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
AureoBroker
Natural Inventions
37
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:55:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:I like the idea, but there is no kill mails for suicide ganking drones. So you will never get any real support due to that. Make no mistake. They do not suicide gank to deal with bots or any of that. It is all about destroying high costing ships while risking nothing at all. They come for the kill mails and make no effort to distinguish between bots or actual human at the keyboard. LOL No Risk? They lose their ship every time they gank something. You sound like a moron. Suicide ganking is very dangerous and every time you even try it you lose something even if you are successful or not. And this, good sirs, is why pvpers are more often than not hilariously bad at economics. When i build a ship, i'm not "risking" my minerals disappear. It's not an hard concept. I can understand defending the right to suicide gank as a balancing and sandboxy factor in EVE, but thinking that suicide ganking is an activity that could be classified under "PVP" is hilarious. |
Basher Razbaz
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:41:00 -
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you guys care too much about this game |
Melodee619
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:52:00 -
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Without trying to start another flame war that these forums are so famous for, Why are miners demanding intervention on CCP's part. EVE is "meant" to be about personal responsibility. If a Miner is lazy/afk mining he deserves to be killed, its as simple as that.
if your paying attention you dont die.
1. DONT mine in hub system area's/high population. 2. ALWAYS watch local (yes, even in HS) If local spikes dock up. 3.make sure you ask the locals who the gankers are in the area (someone will know), add them to your list an -10 them. 4.Keep aligned an moving around a central point be it an empty can or whatever... this way there's a reasonable chance your facing a celestial/moon etc etc. 5. If someone warps into belt an then leaves, LEAVE!! 50% chance you were just bookmark'ed.
What I find sad is everyone here knows these rules an yet people still want intervention by CCP. it boggles my mind that every time miners start one of their crusades CCP holds their hand an panders to them. Take Jihad few years ago, direct result, Concord immunity, removal of timer in higher sec systems.
I've been a miner an I've been a killer, an both are equally as important in EVE. Stop demanding CCP play for you, an use your brains an you will never die in highsec min9ng. it's as easy as that. |
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