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Simril
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Posted - 2009.05.01 00:04:00 -
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hey ya, i (simril,) am running a corporation, mainly consisting of new players, or players that arent realy into PVP,
and we are being war deced, by a corp that refuses to leave us alone unless we pay them a (for us) insane amount of isk to do so... we had hoped to be able to go into factional warfare.. but whitout being able to do anything cos of them.. what do i do... is this somthing somone can do anything about??? and they claim to be some "metagaming" corp, that are out to destroy our corp completely unless we pay the,...
what do i do?
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Simril
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Posted - 2009.05.01 00:09:00 -
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also.. we dropped the alliance that we were in to go into faction warfare, (the war dec was alredy declared... but they wont leave us alone no matter what unless we pay them alot of isk)
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.05.01 00:14:00 -
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Shoot them, perhaps? You're planning to go into PvP anyway, the option appears to be to engage in PvP.
You now get to learn all about frigates and instant undock bookmarks, playing station games and seeing how inconvenient you can make the war for them.
There's also the option of mailing yourself a buddy invite and starting up a war-evasion alt :)
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Simril
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Posted - 2009.05.01 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Simril on 01/05/2009 00:16:58 as i said... most of my members including muself are rather new...and thoes are old people, who claims they got other players in our corp, that will try to steal our stuff, and isk if they can...
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.05.01 00:46:00 -
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Firstly, they're doing nothing against the rules (from what you've described) so they're not "harassing" you by the ToS's standards. If you really don't think you can inflict any damage to them by fighting back, all you can really do is wait them out or disband the corp. BECAUSE OF FALCON! |
Simril
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Posted - 2009.05.01 00:52:00 -
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so basicly, all i can do is tell all my friends, whom (along whit me, arent the best PVP'ers.. actualy, we dont know much about pvp'ing,) to leave? we cant even forme a new cor.. cos thoes guys will just re dec that corp... they are telling me that
2009.04.30 23:49 weeks or months down the road please let me know. The war will remain active until our demands are met or until your corp is disbanded ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ direct mail from him, so, me, and all my friends, cant do nothing.. cos thoes are allowed, to have alts to steal our assets in corp, even if we fight back, or pay merc's to do so... or what?
so basicly what i nee to understand is.... if a newb joins a corp, he is just ****ed.. and have no ways to feel safe.. cos somone can just come war dec them, and tell them they are never gonna leave them alone... unless they pay them a lot of isk that they dont have, (along whit items hard to get) and not alloving them to get the items.. or isk for what they demand...
how can that be fair at all?
they war deced the alliance we were in.. we were going to leave anyway.... and now we are trapped whit them or what?
am i the only one here seing a problem in that?
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Galactic Tycoon
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Posted - 2009.05.01 00:55:00 -
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Simple solution. Ignore every message, communication, smack talk. Surrender to every war dec sent. Just don't respond EVER, eventually it will bore them and they'll move on. Never ever respond, EVER.
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Simril
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Posted - 2009.05.01 00:58:00 -
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yea, i thought of that.. but they are telling us they got alts in our corp.. who will try and steal, or **** us up in any way they can.... which is a problem.. seing that i got a lot of newbs in this corp.. and we are trying to help eachother, and learn togheter... as we are friends..
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.05.01 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Renarla on 01/05/2009 01:00:19 Kick everyone your absolutely positive couldn't be a spy. BECAUSE OF FALCON! |
Simril
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Posted - 2009.05.01 01:04:00 -
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there is also the fact that he told me to buy plex's to get the isk to pay them..
is that even a ressonable demand? i mean.. i know a ceo must sacrifice somthing for his corp.. but spending real life money, just to let his friends be left aloen.. and not even knowing if the one they are paing are going to leave them alone anyway... is that even ressonable?
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Simril
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Posted - 2009.05.01 01:07:00 -
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im heading to sleep... feel free to post replies anyway ;)
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Galactic Tycoon
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Posted - 2009.05.01 01:08:00 -
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Well in my own personal opinion it's sad they're picking on new players. I also do feel for you and in my opinion it is in game harassment.
One think you may want to try is getting the api of your corpmates. You can view this in your account management. It will let you see if they have a spy character on the sam account as thier main account which might be in the nasty corp. However they may have two accounts...
You best solution in my opinion would be to join an alliance, ideally one with many more numbers than them and who'd be prepared to resist threat. While you may be a noob corp, there are some reaonably large noob alliances.
I'm guessing their corp is fairly small, you and your corpmates are low skilled. Find a largish noob alliance, stick together, fight together and vastly outnumber.
Alternatively if you don't want to waste your cruisers or whatever it is your using. Look at the fittings for frigates such as the punisher which is a fine PVP ship.
You can always go around in a '****' gang. Then whats the loss to you? a few hundred isk if you die? Plus you'll gain PVP experience.
Just go around in frig gangs and mass **** them. Killing frigates won't be of any interest to them, and large frigate packs are quite deadly.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.01 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 01/05/2009 01:45:07
Small list of ways to deal with the problem
1) Option 1 is to just fight. A lot of corps that actively pick on new players aren't very organized or good. Keep in mind that organization, planning, and cunning mean more than skillpoints/ISK.
Perhaps relocate away from them, get some PVP experience (either lowsec ops, or the Agony Unleashed PVP Course, for example), then come back and fight them properly.
2) Option 2 is to just relocate. EVE is a big place; they're not going to chase you around the universe. Some t1 industrial ships with cargo expanders should be able to carry you and your corpmates' belongings (ships included) elsewhere (Just make damn sure you have a scout ahead so you don't get jumped). You could also contact a hauling corporation and have them move all your stuff for you.
3) Mercenaries in EVE are very common. So common, in fact, that new mercenary corps have trouble setting themselves apart. Post on Crime and Punishment detailing the problem; there's likely some startup mercenary corps who would be willing to go to war for you for nothing more than the wardec fee (2 million per week) in order to get some points on the killboard so that they can secure a more lucrative contract.
If you plan on doing this, make an alternate character on your account and post with that and have them contact you through the alt. C&P is also where all the pirates hang out, and chances are posting here with your main character would result in you getting wardecced by several new corps.
4) Evasion. Set up "insta" bookmarks at all stations that you use regularly. Unodck in a frigate with a MWD when there aren't any war targets about, and just burn in a straight line from the undock point. When you get a couple hundred km out (600+ km, so that you go off grid and thus they can't see you after the warp), drop a bookmark from people and places.
When you undock from a station, you are invulnerable for 30 seconds, or until you start moving/warping. With instas, stationcamps are no threat whatsoever.
Watch local chat for enemies. If you're in a mission or other deadspace with an acceleration gate, a short-ranged directional scan (360 degrees and perhaps 60,000,000 km) will tell you if there's anyone else in a previous room/at the gate. If you do a full-range directional scan with "use overview settings" off and 360 degrees, you'll be able to see if there are any combat probes in system...which they could be using to scan for you (Or they could belong to someone else entirely).
The GMs wont end the war; what they're doing is perfectly legal. EVE is a game where other people can and will **** you over for profit, fun, or because they're bored. It's your job to ensure that they cannot.
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Micia
Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.01 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Simril there is also the fact that he told me to buy plex's to get the isk to pay them..
is that even a ressonable demand?
They can demand whatever they want. You can still tell them to go get bent, though.
Go join your FW thing, and get into lo-sec. If you get actively involved with it, you'll be making good friends fast with a *lot* of other FW pvp pilots - and that's not too healthy for the corp that's threatening to stalk you, if ya know what I mean.
As far as them threatening to nick all your assets - just don't be stupid with what you place into Corp Hangars. Also, it might be a good time to review who your directors are, and anyone else that has had any roles assigned. Maybe time to revoke some. But that's entirely up to you.
Good luck.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.05.01 02:29:00 -
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if you wanted to get into fw, get into fw. see if they will chase you into lowsec. might be some help out there.
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Simril
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Posted - 2009.05.01 04:24:00 -
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thank u all for the responde, i realy appreciate it :)
simril
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.05.01 06:33:00 -
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A worthwhile article to read: A New CEO's Guide to Surviving War Declarations
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JaseNZ
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.01 09:03:00 -
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When I first stared playing EVE the same thing happened to my corp.
Some third party decided to hire a Mercenary Corp to War Dec our alliance, and because we were the Corp that trained new players, we were the juiciest target.
The War Dec Corp also had spies in our alliance that were passing the info of our Corp/Alliance windows back to the War Dec Corp.
Some of my Corp's members tried to fight now and again, but were grossly outmatched and outgunned. Eventually the Corp gave in to their demands and paid up, and the War Dec Corp spies left.
During the 24 hour stasis period they emailed the alliance and told us they were spy alts of the Corp that War Decced us, and that they had passed on information and so on, and even gave pointers on what to do the next time we got War Decced.
Some thought it awas a bit strange, but after all they were paid to War Dec us (for whatever reason we never found out) and were happy to help us improve our internal security afterwards.
One thing I remember we learned from the time...that if someone War Decs you, stop accepting new players into the Corp, for the duration of the War Dec. You may very well accept a spy without realising it.
Restrict Hangar/POS/Wallets/whatever accesses to people you know will not pilfer everything (say for instance Directors or 2IC only, that sort of thing) and if anyone else needs anything from the Hangars, have someone trusted with the access get it for them.
Hope this small bit of info helps somewhat.
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Dagda Morr
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.05.01 18:51:00 -
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If you're planning on doing some factional warfare you're going to have to fight so you might as well start now.
Sort out al your guys into 1/3rd ewar frigates, and 2/3 damage-dealing frigs with tackle (warp disruptor/scambler & stasis webifier) Then form a big gang and go out. If you are new players then there will be little expense in clone replacements and the ships equipped with meta 2 items wil be almost completely covered by insurance.
What you want to do is find a bunch of wartargets (you'll have to figure out what you can engage depending on numbers) and engage them. Preferably you want to have some form of voice comms setup - preferably ventrillo or team speak, but at a push you can use something like eve voice or even skype. This will allow you to call out the "primary" - this is the ship that everyone (except ewar frigs but I'll get to that later) should attack.
You should orbit just outside of smartbomb range (typically 6-9 km) and use afterburners to keep your speed high. Since you are smaller they will have difficulty hitting you. Keep hitting them untill they die!!
Your ewar people should be spread fairly evenly around - you want some on the primary but put some on the rest of the enemy fleet if there are them. Try and concentrate on their high-damage dealing ships and their own ewar where possible.
This is just a very simplified explanation on how to get a bunch of newbs to fight - but the important thing is to give it a go - nothing will kill a corp faster than sitting in a station waiting to be left alone.
Whatever you do, don't pay a ransom - what will you do if they tell their freinds about the cash cow and they all wardec you - you can't pay them all. Ignore the treats to steal stuff - you can restrict access to all but directors (i.e people you trust) - they can then hand stuff out.
If you are polite and don't smack them (and don't whine or beg), and you put up a bit of a fight, you have far more chance of them leaving you alone and possibly earn a little respect.
You want to do pvp - then start learning now, it will be excellent practice for your future FW and may bind the corp together into a stronger unit.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari Elitist Jerks Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.05.01 21:33:00 -
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Well, you may not like the option, but you could all just wait them out. It's costing them lots of money to keep a wardec going and they can't sustain it forever. ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. |
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Tranka Verrane
Public Venture Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.01 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Tranka Verrane on 01/05/2009 22:26:07
Originally by: Cyprus Black Well, you may not like the option, but you could all just wait them out. It's costing them lots of money to keep a wardec going and they can't sustain it forever.
Lots of money? It costs 2mill per week to wardec an unallied corp. If you're new to the game that might sound a lot but I can make that much in less than 5 minutes. They for damn sure can keep that going forever.
Even an allied corp only costs 50mill a week to wardec. Unless a corp is new player and hisec PVP only that isn't going to bankrupt anyone.
If you can't follow Dagda's advice and fight your best bet is to join a corp or alliance that has other people that can defend you, or join FW where you can't be wardecced (although you can be shot at by your FW enemies, but at least there will be many others around you). Or just give up on having your own corp altogether for a while until you can handle fighting (psychologically) and go back into an NPC one.
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Toriessian
Amarr Wormhole-space Surveying and Exploitation
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Posted - 2009.05.01 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Toriessian on 01/05/2009 23:52:51 Why don't you just ignore them and bait them into the FW combat areas? FW can be slow some nights so bringing your own targets for everyone may not be a bad thing... especially if both sides start shooting them out of boredom. Why hire mercs when there are plenty of people in low sec who will shoot them for free?
Also the less attention they can place on you the more likely it is you'll be able to take a few of them down with a frigate pack.
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Yuki Mitzawa
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Posted - 2009.05.01 23:46:00 -
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This kind of activity and jerks like Ec Cade are a good reason why new players would choose to leave this game. I play alone now, I got invited into a corp and the person who invited me, quit and created a new corp just to declare war on the people he invited. I won't accept a invite to a corp unless you go to my school and are in my classes. This kind of attitude will cause the downfall or at least the minimization of the player base.
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Asarah
Taurus Quantum Industrial Mining Taurus Quantum Dynamics
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Posted - 2009.05.02 01:12:00 -
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Quote: If you're planning on doing some factional warfare you're going to have to fight so you might as well start now.
Sort out al your guys into 1/3rd ewar frigates, and 2/3 damage-dealing frigs with tackle (warp disruptor/scambler & stasis webifier) Then form a big gang and go out. If you are new players then there will be little expense in clone replacements and the ships equipped with meta 2 items wil be almost completely covered by insurance.
What you want to do is find a bunch of wartargets (you'll have to figure out what you can engage depending on numbers) and engage them. Preferably you want to have some form of voice comms setup - preferably ventrillo or team speak, but at a push you can use something like eve voice or even skype. This will allow you to call out the "primary" - this is the ship that everyone (except ewar frigs but I'll get to that later) should attack.
You should orbit just outside of smartbomb range (typically 6-9 km) and use afterburners to keep your speed high. Since you are smaller they will have difficulty hitting you. Keep hitting them untill they die!!
Your ewar people should be spread fairly evenly around - you want some on the primary but put some on the rest of the enemy fleet if there are them. Try and concentrate on their high-damage dealing ships and their own ewar where possible.
This is just a very simplified explanation on how to get a bunch of newbs to fight - but the important thing is to give it a go - nothing will kill a corp faster than sitting in a station waiting to be left alone.
Whatever you do, don't pay a ransom - what will you do if they tell their freinds about the cash cow and they all wardec you - you can't pay them all. Ignore the treats to steal stuff - you can restrict access to all but directors (i.e people you trust) - they can then hand stuff out.
If you are polite and don't smack them (and don't whine or beg), and you put up a bit of a fight, you have far more chance of them leaving you alone and possibly earn a little respect.
You want to do pvp - then start learning now, it will be excellent practice for your future FW and may bind the corp together into a stronger unit.
This.
New players are constantly suprised by just how effective a swarm of noobs in frigates can really be. Even if you don't ever plan on PVP a few hours of skilling and a couple hundred k a piece is all you need to deal with your problem. Never surrender, never pay a ransom, and never sit in a station. As long as your membership numbers are low or you advertise yourself as a noob/industrial corp you will be decced fairly often by corps just like this. Learn to deal with it now, or later. Your choice. _________________________________________________________
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Simril
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Posted - 2009.05.02 08:38:00 -
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thoes guys we are having problems whit, are flying navy/fleet issue battleships....
and they say they will keep the war active untill we either pay them 350 mill and a lot of other strange items,
or untill the corp is disbanded
we will try to fight them... but we arent very good at pvp..
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Simril
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Posted - 2009.05.02 08:48:00 -
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and even if we pay them, there is no gurrantee that they actualy will leave us alone u know..
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Yuki Mitzawa
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Posted - 2009.05.02 08:48:00 -
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Sadly your only real option is to disband the corp. You could buy them ISK and report them as that will most likely get them banned which I feel would be a WIN-WIN situation but it also borders on illegal. I guess you have to watch out for jerks because they seem to abound in this game. I have been lowering my rating of GM's if people are not disciplined or removed since I feel that it ruins the game for new players to have jerks running around. (For a good example of a jerk, see above post.) But it sounds like you have encountered your own group of jerks who probably are worthless in real life so they have to prove they are worthless in the game by being jerks. I would not pay them, I would disband just because they are being a jerk. You can form a loose corp consisting of a group of buddies that work together but have no legal ties; they would have to declare war on each of you.
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Simril
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Posted - 2009.05.02 08:51:00 -
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its not so easy keeping in contact that way...
they openly told me to buy a plex to get them isk.. is that even a reconable demand?
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Yuki Mitzawa
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Posted - 2009.05.02 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Simril its not so easy keeping in contact that way...
they openly told me to buy a plex to get them isk.. is that even a reconable demand?
I would report them, use Harassment; then point out extortion of Real Money for ISK (which it is). I would also contact the IRS and FTC and ask them about taxation of said Jerks since they are making real money (money not spent == money made) of course this would require CCP to give records of financial activities of their accounts and it they are not US citizens then the point would be mute though their own country would probably like to receive their fair share of the profit.
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Kitano
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.05.02 09:04:00 -
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LoL I honestly feel bad for you dude...
Name and shame these guys in the hope that sympathetic corps will dec them and teach them a lesson.
It can be funny picking on noobs but its only funny for about 5 minutes before your peen shrinks
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