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Winterblink
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Posted - 2004.09.30 20:07:00 -
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This is one of those slap me on the forehead moments where I totally agree with something Josh says that appears to have been completely obvious before. :)
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2004.09.30 20:07:00 -
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This is one of those slap me on the forehead moments where I totally agree with something Josh says that appears to have been completely obvious before. :)
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shivan
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Posted - 2004.09.30 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: shivan on 30/09/2004 20:50:28 Well all I can say, is this, if you want to learn how to fight a fight jet, then you at least have to know how to fly a light aircraft.
If you want to dogfight in the fighterjet, then you have to have your training in the lgiht aircraft first, to practice your manavoies before you try it out on the real thing which might kill you.
I think having to specilize in the small arys to traing the large artys is right, simple cuz you will need to know how to do the basics, in this case small Speciliztion in small artys.
There will always be a place for the frigs and crusiers piloits out there, simple cuz, i went from being a bs guy to flying a frig and it took me a while to get used to the pace of it all. So regardless of the skills needed, a frig dude that does nothin but fly frigs in combat will still be better at it than a guy who normaly flys a bs in PvP and its his first day in a frig.
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shivan
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Posted - 2004.09.30 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: shivan on 30/09/2004 20:50:28 Well all I can say, is this, if you want to learn how to fight a fight jet, then you at least have to know how to fly a light aircraft.
If you want to dogfight in the fighterjet, then you have to have your training in the lgiht aircraft first, to practice your manavoies before you try it out on the real thing which might kill you.
I think having to specilize in the small arys to traing the large artys is right, simple cuz you will need to know how to do the basics, in this case small Speciliztion in small artys.
There will always be a place for the frigs and crusiers piloits out there, simple cuz, i went from being a bs guy to flying a frig and it took me a while to get used to the pace of it all. So regardless of the skills needed, a frig dude that does nothin but fly frigs in combat will still be better at it than a guy who normaly flys a bs in PvP and its his first day in a frig.
Its called EXPERENCE --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
Number SixtyNine
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Posted - 2004.09.30 20:56:00 -
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"I agree with what you are saying, but I must admit you are wrong."
I think it boils down to the wording, really. "Specialization" just isn't most fortunate name for the skill in question, as it implies one who trains it becomes some sort of ultimate expert in given branch of weaponry.
If it was something like "advanced knowledge" instead it'd probably be easier to swallow. ^^
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Number SixtyNine
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Posted - 2004.09.30 20:56:00 -
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"I agree with what you are saying, but I must admit you are wrong."
I think it boils down to the wording, really. "Specialization" just isn't most fortunate name for the skill in question, as it implies one who trains it becomes some sort of ultimate expert in given branch of weaponry.
If it was something like "advanced knowledge" instead it'd probably be easier to swallow. ^^
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Kai Duracknar
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Posted - 2004.10.01 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
It goes against the very idea of specialization and, to be honest, I think this is just another silent nerf on battleship users.
quit moaning you got most of them anyway.... and why not make it harder to gain an advantage?
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Kai Duracknar
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Posted - 2004.10.01 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
It goes against the very idea of specialization and, to be honest, I think this is just another silent nerf on battleship users.
quit moaning you got most of them anyway.... and why not make it harder to gain an advantage?
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mk ultra
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Posted - 2004.10.01 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: mk ultra on 01/10/2004 04:27:48 Edited by: mk ultra on 01/10/2004 04:26:42 Didnt want to read the whole thread cause its now too damn long . This probably have been said somewhere in the post but heh here is my 2 cents .I think by specialization they mean either projectile , hybrid or laser specialization ...to have them all would require a lot of time so you better choose your type and stick with it . Which is why you need to know everything about hybrids before being able to use t2 Large guns ...
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mk ultra
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Posted - 2004.10.01 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: mk ultra on 01/10/2004 04:27:48 Edited by: mk ultra on 01/10/2004 04:26:42 Didnt want to read the whole thread cause its now too damn long . This probably have been said somewhere in the post but heh here is my 2 cents .I think by specialization they mean either projectile , hybrid or laser specialization ...to have them all would require a lot of time so you better choose your type and stick with it . Which is why you need to know everything about hybrids before being able to use t2 Large guns ...
------------------------ <Beeth> Girls are like internet domain names, the ones I like are already taken. <honx> well, you can stil get one from a strange country :-P
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.10.01 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Edited by: Kaleigh Doyle on 30/09/2004 19:27:11 Just a silly question, but with the recent changes to turret tracking and all, hasn't CCP encouraged the usage of multiple gun sizes on a battleship(obviously depending on your roles)? Wouldn't it be advantageous for a Battleship pilots to have better skills in the smaller guns as well?(i.e. to be an effective battleship pilot, you'll prolly wanna specialize in the smaller guns)
Perhaps it was a subtle suggestion on the devs part.
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If I want to specialize in small or medium guns to allow me to fit those smaller weapons more effectively, then I agree.
However, the current system FORCES that choice.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.10.01 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Edited by: Kaleigh Doyle on 30/09/2004 19:27:11 Just a silly question, but with the recent changes to turret tracking and all, hasn't CCP encouraged the usage of multiple gun sizes on a battleship(obviously depending on your roles)? Wouldn't it be advantageous for a Battleship pilots to have better skills in the smaller guns as well?(i.e. to be an effective battleship pilot, you'll prolly wanna specialize in the smaller guns)
Perhaps it was a subtle suggestion on the devs part.
(edited for english readers )
If I want to specialize in small or medium guns to allow me to fit those smaller weapons more effectively, then I agree.
However, the current system FORCES that choice.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2004.10.01 06:50:00 -
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Not only that, people who do want to train only small or medium lose the ability to be unique because people who get the large specializations will be just as capable as they are with medium or small specialized weaponry.
CCP is just furthering the "Battlship be-all-end-all" personality, though this time, it wont be the battleships themselves that may destroy everything, it will be the individual characters.
I'm really surprised that there havent been any devs to post in this thread to set the record straight, though I guess I can say thats because they cant set the record straight because this entire specialization thing was a stupid idea to begin with and they really dont have a cohesive plan for it.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2004.10.01 06:50:00 -
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Not only that, people who do want to train only small or medium lose the ability to be unique because people who get the large specializations will be just as capable as they are with medium or small specialized weaponry.
CCP is just furthering the "Battlship be-all-end-all" personality, though this time, it wont be the battleships themselves that may destroy everything, it will be the individual characters.
I'm really surprised that there havent been any devs to post in this thread to set the record straight, though I guess I can say thats because they cant set the record straight because this entire specialization thing was a stupid idea to begin with and they really dont have a cohesive plan for it.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Kileak
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Posted - 2004.10.02 11:46:00 -
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i dunno if it's good or bad or what not. but i have trained large spec to lvl 3 for pulse and will get large beam in a week or so. i was kinda running out of stuff to train for amarr type ships specially battleships but as it stands i think i got about 4 mroe months of training now due to the crazy rank and sp needed to master these skills. for those of us who prefer one race ships and weapon type it gives us something to do. i mean i don't wanna train production or science skills. and why fly another bs when i got my apoc. dunno simple view i guess.
but then again allways wondered why i can have 6mil sp in gunnery and feal threated by a guy with 1mil sp in missles. seems sorta unbalanced
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Kileak
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Posted - 2004.10.02 11:46:00 -
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i dunno if it's good or bad or what not. but i have trained large spec to lvl 3 for pulse and will get large beam in a week or so. i was kinda running out of stuff to train for amarr type ships specially battleships but as it stands i think i got about 4 mroe months of training now due to the crazy rank and sp needed to master these skills. for those of us who prefer one race ships and weapon type it gives us something to do. i mean i don't wanna train production or science skills. and why fly another bs when i got my apoc. dunno simple view i guess.
but then again allways wondered why i can have 6mil sp in gunnery and feal threated by a guy with 1mil sp in missles. seems sorta unbalanced
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