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LoLLeRzBlAdEz
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Posted - 2009.05.03 02:49:00 -
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If you make, say, 500m a week, when someone who spams scams in local makes 5b a week? It just doesn't seem worth sitting in front of the computer for hours adjusting orders when someone sets up a script and gets easy ISK without repercussions from CCP.
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Kadavreski
Caldari State Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.03 02:55:00 -
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Some people don't like stealing pocket money from ******s.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente L8L8L8 Rough Necks
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Posted - 2009.05.03 02:58:00 -
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Edited by: Kuzya Morozov on 03/05/2009 02:58:22
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2009.05.03 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz If you make, say, 500m a week, when someone who spams scams in local makes 5b a week? It just doesn't seem worth sitting in front of the computer for hours adjusting orders when someone sets up a script and gets easy ISK without repercussions from CCP.
If you think you can make 5B a week scamming in Jita then try it out, go for it, see how much you make.
Second, 500m a week? Pretty weak. Try 500m a day for a decent trader. Far more for a very good one.
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Bret Caliaro
Seven Dwarves Prospecting
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Posted - 2009.05.03 03:55:00 -
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Personally I thought the point of making 500m a week was because it was fun, but then again I may have this game concept mixed up with something else.
I don't really care what a scam spammer makes, if I thought EVE wasn't fun and more like work I'd go do some work and earn some real money. _________________________________________________
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Sola Veritas
Minmatar Galactic Master Business academy
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Posted - 2009.05.03 04:15:00 -
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There is more to EVE than ISK.
The market teaches you something. It teaches you how to be patient, how to plan, how to observe, and how to distribute resources wisely.
It's hard to come across these lessons even in real life.
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Squat Hardpeck
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Posted - 2009.05.03 05:20:00 -
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To make money, blow it all on hookers and beer, and then do it all over again tomorrow.
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Solisk
Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
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Posted - 2009.05.03 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz If you make, say, 500m a week, when someone who spams scams in local makes 5b a week? It just doesn't seem worth sitting in front of the computer for hours adjusting orders when someone sets up a script and gets easy ISK without repercussions from CCP.
1/10.
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PublicRelations Kwint
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.03 06:29:00 -
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Edited by: PublicRelations Kwint on 03/05/2009 06:30:15
Originally by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz If you make, say, 500m a week, when someone who spams scams in local makes 5b a week? It just doesn't seem worth sitting in front of the computer for hours adjusting orders when someone sets up a script and gets easy ISK without repercussions from CCP.
If I were only pulling 500M a week I couldn't so much as pay the interest on my public debt, let alone turn a profit and since Kwint Industries has been distinctly profitable for quite some time I think it's fair to say that one can make much more than 500M a week trading.
However, if you're somehow making 5B a week scamming Jita local then keep at it. That's quite good money for something with virtually no risk or even invested capital.
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Krylon Rhae
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Posted - 2009.05.03 07:32:00 -
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I believe an adjustment is required to your moral compass. Since when has theft, piracy, cheating and fraud become a standard by which to judge a ligitamate endeavor?
By the way... since you have mentioned setting up a script to run your nefarious dealings, perhaps CCP should ban your sorry behind.
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Clurk Brodon
Yog-Sothoth Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.03 08:43:00 -
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Check the contract history of the character named Mr LongJohn. Scammed 5B since creation 5 days ago.
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Jerera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.03 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz If you make, say, 500m a week, when someone who spams scams in local makes 5b a week? It just doesn't seem worth sitting in front of the computer for hours adjusting orders when someone sets up a script and gets easy ISK without repercussions from CCP.
Maybe because some dudes like trading ?
But yeah, you are obviously interested in my post because you're now reading my signature. |
Caelum Mortuos
Gallente Zero G Research and Development
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Posted - 2009.05.03 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Caelum Mortuos on 03/05/2009 09:29:11 Traders aren't using macrobots to spam local 5 times a minute, 23 hours a day If CCP ever gets round to tackling the problem, he may face a nice big negative wallet for gaining his isk through bots Edit - Hurry up and deal with it CCP
(don't try and argue that he's not a bot, he's been in jita non-stop spamming since his creation, I'm almost certain he's not superhuman)
also, I've probably just been trolled but meh.
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Domasx
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Posted - 2009.05.03 10:16:00 -
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But what about the other side of the coin - who would believe that a tech 2 frig can go for 1 mil, and have 1 bil in his pocket? Surely anyone who made a 1 bil in game has a clue about what a ship costs and what local channel in Jita is. Perhaps its ebayed iskies that are being redistributed.
Also, it would probably help if the contact window read out the amount of isk in words. It does that for well rounded sums, eg '12.0 million isk', but doesn't for 999,999,999 isk. Not that hard to implement.
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Market Bandit
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Posted - 2009.05.03 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Domasx But what about the other side of the coin - who would believe that a tech 2 frig can go for 1 mil, and have 1 bil in his pocket? Surely anyone who made a 1 bil in game has a clue about what a ship costs and what local channel in Jita is. Perhaps its ebayed iskies that are being redistributed.
Also, it would probably help if the contact window read out the amount of isk in words. It does that for well rounded sums, eg '12.0 million isk', but doesn't for 999,999,999 isk. Not that hard to implement.
I have nothing against scamming, a fool and his money are (quite rightly) easily parted. I have to applaud people who manage to trick their way into riches. However, since apocrypha it's got totally out of hand, and channel botting has reached ridiculous new levels. I don't want to get rid of the scams, just the macros that are currently being used to do it. The current system is also dumbing down the old jita local scammers, who put a hell of a lot more work into their trade than you see now.
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Sophil
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Posted - 2009.05.03 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Sophil on 03/05/2009 11:38:53 Well.. making 500m isk/week can be done with updating your orders once/day. I make about 1-1.5b/week updating my orders twice per day and moving some stuff once a week. It's just to maintain my pvp needs, although I've yet to loose 1b in ships in one week :)
Spamming in jita local requires that u are either: Active or using some third part software that isn't allowed.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.05.03 12:03:00 -
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try 200 to 400 a day for what amounts to at most... 3 to 4 hours of in game time.
Trading can be an extremely passive income. |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.03 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz If you make, say, 500m a week, when someone who spams scams in local makes 5b a week? It just doesn't seem worth sitting in front of the computer for hours adjusting orders when someone sets up a script and gets easy ISK without repercussions from CCP.
It's like buying a character on the bazaar here.Sure he got the SP but it doens't give me the satisfaction my own characters do.
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Ta'jek
Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.03 12:24:00 -
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it's entertaining... scamming noobs out of isk is just dull... kind of like beating a 5 y/o at checkers.... if you need the ego boost that bad...
(right button this time)
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LoLLeRzBlAdEz
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Posted - 2009.05.03 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz on 03/05/2009 13:45:13 Alright, so the majority of the responses are basically "you suck at trading, we can make more money, this is how much money I make and I'm awesome". Great, typical MD, why do I even try posting here.
My question was related to aspiring traders starting out who are obviously not chest-beating market gods like you. And if you don't believe scammers make that much ISK, I can link some names, take a look at contract history. All I'm asking is, why would aspiring traders struggle through learning trading and trying to gain capital when they can just sit there copy and pasting scams into local once every 5 minutes?
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.05.03 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz why do I even try posting here.
Trust us
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Krylon Rhae
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Posted - 2009.05.03 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz Edited by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz on 03/05/2009 13:45:13 Alright, so the majority of the responses are basically "you suck at trading, we can make more money, this is how much money I make and I'm awesome". Great, typical MD, why do I even try posting here.
My question was related to aspiring traders starting out who are obviously not chest-beating market gods like you. And if you don't believe scammers make that much ISK, I can link some names, take a look at contract history. All I'm asking is, why would aspiring traders struggle through learning trading and trying to gain capital when they can just sit there copy and pasting scams into local once every 5 minutes?
Bacause some people, the vast majority too I might add, would prefer to play the game to have fun and view it as a challenge and don't get their rocks off trying to swindle, cheat and defraud people, no matter how stupid they may be.
Somehow the idea of sitting and pasting scams into a window does not seem very entertaining, but then I have a brain and would prefer to make it work.
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LoLLeRzBlAdEz
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Posted - 2009.05.03 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Krylon Rhae
Originally by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz Edited by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz on 03/05/2009 13:45:13 Alright, so the majority of the responses are basically "you suck at trading, we can make more money, this is how much money I make and I'm awesome". Great, typical MD, why do I even try posting here.
My question was related to aspiring traders starting out who are obviously not chest-beating market gods like you. And if you don't believe scammers make that much ISK, I can link some names, take a look at contract history. All I'm asking is, why would aspiring traders struggle through learning trading and trying to gain capital when they can just sit there copy and pasting scams into local once every 5 minutes?
Bacause some people, the vast majority too I might add, would prefer to play the game to have fun and view it as a challenge and don't get their rocks off trying to swindle, cheat and defraud people, no matter how stupid they may be.
Somehow the idea of sitting and pasting scams into a window does not seem very entertaining, but then I have a brain and would prefer to make it work.
I don't know dude, spamming local is pretty boring, but it doesn't require much effort, as opposed to hauling and adjusting prices, etc. And at the end of the week when I've made a ton of profit compared with the last week trading, I'm going to have more fun spending the ISK (not trying to start a flame war, just pointing out my views).
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Risk Aversion
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Posted - 2009.05.03 14:07:00 -
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Maybe you're just a shi!tty trader?
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LoLLeRzBlAdEz
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Posted - 2009.05.03 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Risk Aversion Maybe you're just a shi!tty trader?
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Originally by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz Alright, so the majority of the responses are basically "you suck at trading, we can make more money, this is how much money I make and I'm awesome". Great, typical MD, why do I even try posting here.
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Krylon Rhae
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Posted - 2009.05.03 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz
Originally by: Krylon Rhae
Originally by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz Edited by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz on 03/05/2009 13:45:13 Alright, so the majority of the responses are basically "you suck at trading, we can make more money, this is how much money I make and I'm awesome". Great, typical MD, why do I even try posting here.
My question was related to aspiring traders starting out who are obviously not chest-beating market gods like you. And if you don't believe scammers make that much ISK, I can link some names, take a look at contract history. All I'm asking is, why would aspiring traders struggle through learning trading and trying to gain capital when they can just sit there copy and pasting scams into local once every 5 minutes?
Bacause some people, the vast majority too I might add, would prefer to play the game to have fun and view it as a challenge and don't get their rocks off trying to swindle, cheat and defraud people, no matter how stupid they may be.
Somehow the idea of sitting and pasting scams into a window does not seem very entertaining, but then I have a brain and would prefer to make it work.
I don't know dude, spamming local is pretty boring, but it doesn't require much effort, as opposed to hauling and adjusting prices, etc. And at the end of the week when I've made a ton of profit compared with the last week trading, I'm going to have more fun spending the ISK (not trying to start a flame war, just pointing out my views).
Try to put yourself into the shoes of the poor fellow you coned out of his hard earned isk. Try considering other people's feelings instead of greedily scamming them.
Were they suckers for taking the con, sure. But does that give you the right to take advantage... I say no. It is wrong in R/L and just because their are no prisons in EVE doesn't mean that the game should be warpped and distorted to suit your own hostile and fraudulent desires.
This is a game afterall, and the primary purpose, unless I am mistaken, is to have fun and be entertained. My view is, that the game offers so many challenges and rewards based upon legit enterprises, why take a short cut? Learn the game and its rewards and you will not need to take those short cuts.
This is not about making isk... it is a game of discovery, challenge and is highly entertaining. You should try it...
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2009.05.03 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Krylon Rhae This is not about making isk... it is a game of discovery, challenge and is highly entertaining. You should try it...
This is a game, it is about whatever anyone who plays it wants it to be about. He doesn't get to tell you how to play and you don't get to tell him how to play. If he has fun scamming then he should keep doing it. If you have fun not scamming then you should keep not doing it.
I make more money legitimately than most scammers and that makes it fun for me. Others would have more fun scamming tiny sums of money than they would making vast sums trading, the act of griefing someone else brings them joy. To each his own. It's a game, everyone has to find what makes it fun and do it.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.05.03 18:32:00 -
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Scamming can also be done in parallel with trading if you're into that sort of thing. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Sola Veritas
Minmatar Galactic Master Business academy
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Posted - 2009.05.03 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear Scamming can also be done in parallel with trading if you're into that sort of thing. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Some would even say they're same thing. "A fool and his money are easily parted," as someone mentioned, could probably apply to both professions. One is just legitimized because it has an interface with fancy graphs.
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.05.03 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz Edited by: LoLLeRzBlAdEz on 03/05/2009 13:45:13 Alright, so the majority of the responses are basically "you suck at trading, we can make more money, this is how much money I make and I'm awesome". Great, typical MD, why do I even try posting here.
My question was related to aspiring traders starting out who are obviously not chest-beating market gods like you. And if you don't believe scammers make that much ISK, I can link some names, take a look at contract history. All I'm asking is, why would aspiring traders struggle through learning trading and trying to gain capital when they can just sit there copy and pasting scams into local once every 5 minutes?
As everybody knows: forums are for bragging, no matter you are reading C&P , MD, or whichever. From what you read, don't believe 50% and doubt about the other half.
I always wonder when people talk about 200M/day, theyre talking about profit or about sales. Cause its not the same. If its total sales and you are getting a 10% profit then its 20 millions what you have done this day.
Anyway:
The point of trading is having fun. As happens with everything, if you take it to an extreme it can turn into squizofrenia and you would need therapy (for example being online 23/7 updating **** and/or work with regional orders lmao)
I personally enjoy buying low and selling high. Certainly as previous poster said, trading got some common points with scamming. Its about making money from ingame morons, lazy people, and others.
From another point of view, traders provide a service: bringing stuff to some location, in some time. The usefulness of this service may be discussed: for example, is it useful having one person buying low and selling same stuff higher in same station? Maybe!
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