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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:41:00 -
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I'm not very active in New Eden at the moment but I belive Hulkageddon is yet again active and I can certainly see a good number of threads on the subject so maybe some veterans can help me out.
I have played this game since 2005 but I am frankly ignorant regarding the mining profession outside of 'helping' corpmates by mining in a nano navy apoc in 2007 or somesuch.
I was wondering how much the profession has advanced since the launch of eve. DId we have Covetor's right from the start?
I remember discussion about the worht of a hulk from when it was introduced. I don't remember when it was but I recall a pricetag of 500m being pushed about and then discussion about how long it would take to make a return on the investment. Most of that talk was about low or null sec since it was never originally intended as a shp for use in high-sec but obviously times change and high-sec dwellers also seek to use this ship.
So if anyone can give some detail to the historic progression of mining I (and others) would be sure to appreciate it! (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2176
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:43:00 -
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Furthermore I guess I should say that I remember mining battleships being somewhat prevalent in 2006. A certain pirate corp would use them to make ISK in Basgerin when not fighting. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
522
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:45:00 -
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Posting in a stealth nerf moon goo thread. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2176
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:50:00 -
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Thanks for your worthless comment. You were blocked for a good reason. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
625
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:50:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Posting in a stealth nerf moon goo thread. Huh, I was wondering what the hidden agenda might be. Now I won't have to ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
450
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:13:00 -
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From what I can find, mining barges were introduced in the Exodus expansion in 04 and exhumers were introduced in Red Moon Rising in 05 WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
643
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:17:00 -
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The miners song
"Its all the same. Only the Roids change Everyday i feel im wasting away
Sometimes i sleep Sometimes its not for days And the people i meet just want to blast me into space
Sometimes you tell the day by the system that your in and times when your alone and all you do is think (about how productive you could be in real life)
Im a miner in a paper hull i ride and im wanted dead or (actually just dead) I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
74
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:33:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:I'm not very active in New Eden at the moment but I belive Hulkageddon is yet again active and I can certainly see a good number of threads on the subject so maybe some veterans can help me out.
I have played this game since 2005 but I am frankly ignorant regarding the mining profession outside of 'helping' corpmates by mining in a nano navy apoc in 2007 or somesuch.
I was wondering how much the profession has advanced since the launch of eve. DId we have Covetor's right from the start?
I remember discussion about the worht of a hulk from when it was introduced. I don't remember when it was but I recall a pricetag of 500m being pushed about and then discussion about how long it would take to make a return on the investment. Most of that talk was about low or null sec since it was never originally intended as a shp for use in high-sec but obviously times change and high-sec dwellers also seek to use this ship.
So if anyone can give some detail to the historic progression of mining I (and others) would be sure to appreciate it!
Mining has changed very little since EVE was originally launched, the mechanic of activating a module and waiting has not changed at all. I started myself in February 2005, so I can't really speak to the history prior to that, but since then the major changes seen with regards to mining could be summed up as follows:
- Red Moon Rising expansion - December 2005 - Introduction of the Exhumer class mining vessels.
- Revelations I - November 2006 - Drone Regions added to the map and gravimetric sites introduced into the game.
- Revelations II - August 2007 - Introduction of the Rorqual.
- Quantum Rise - November 2008 - Introduction of the Orca.
- Escalation to Inferno - April 2012 - Removal of precious alloys from drone NPCs
I don't have the exact dates for it, but the changing of the NPC market to remove the unlimited supply of NPC goods that could be refined into minerals has had a significant impact on mining as well.
To be honest, it's one of the oldest mechanics still functioning in the game, and in my opinion well overdue for a complete overhaul to make it a more engaging and interesting part of EVE Online, on par with what the new probing system did to the exploration career. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
363
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:33:00 -
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In the beginning of the game pretty much EVERYBODY mined. Techell Corp was the largest battleship manufacturer in the first year of the game and most of their sales by far were done 'bring-your-own-minerals'.
Also the meta versions of the mining lasers were the most expensive modules in the game until T2 mining-lasers were finally introduced (I don't remember exactly when that happened, the old website had a nice page with all the different EVE-updates and their content, but I can't find it anymore). Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
74
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:36:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:In the beginning of the game pretty much EVERYBODY mined. Techell Corp was the largest battleship manufacturer in the first year of the game and most of their sales by far were done 'bring-your-own-minerals'.
Also the meta versions of the mining lasers were the most expensive modules in the game until T2 mining-lasers were finally introduced (I don't remember exactly when that happened, the old website had a nice page with all the different EVE-updates and their content, but I can't find it anymore).
It's true. Back in 2005 almost everyone I knew who were playing started with training mining to level 4 so they could use t2 mining lasers and get the ISK for their first combat vessels. |
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
345
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:38:00 -
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April 2008 The day they took shuttles off of NPC markets and made them player-manufactured effected the 2.4 ISK per unit cap on trit. and thus effected mining as well.
April 2012 pax amarria no longer caped nocxium at 535 isk per unit |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
450
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:41:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:In the beginning of the game pretty much EVERYBODY mined. Techell Corp was the largest battleship manufacturer in the first year of the game and most of their sales by far were done 'bring-your-own-minerals'.
Also the meta versions of the mining lasers were the most expensive modules in the game until T2 mining-lasers were finally introduced (I don't remember exactly when that happened, the old website had a nice page with all the different EVE-updates and their content, but I can't find it anymore).
This might be the one you mean, it's the one I used to find when barges and exhumers were introduced. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Marcus Harikari
Guitar Players of EVE
40
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:51:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote: The miners song
"Its all the same. Only the Roids change Everyday i feel im wasting away
Sometimes i sleep Sometimes its not for days And the people i meet just want to blast me into space
Sometimes you tell the day by the system that your in and times when your alone and all you do is think (about how productive you could be in real life)
Im a miner in a paper hull i ride and im wanted dead or (actually just dead)
holy **** i'm in love |
Marcus Harikari
Guitar Players of EVE
40
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:52:00 -
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oh god so people used to mine in....battleships? ugh |
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Treasures Collectors Northern Associates.
170
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:54:00 -
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Rename thread "History of boooooorrrriiiiiinnngg" plx. |
Pres Crendraven
17
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:07:00 -
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When I was young I stumbled on a Dallente Domi mining with lasers and drones. I was in a small frig and warped on top of him. The Domi suddenly filled the screen. I was like an ant beneath it.
:) It was one of the most terrifying moments of the game. I was like a deer in the headlights. Then I got out and patted myself on the back for escaping the mysterious monster. I just had to have one. Meta34me
Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
807
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:29:00 -
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"I Heartily Endorse This Thread" "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2178
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:38:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Rename thread "History of boooooorrrriiiiiinnngg" plx. Excellent contribution, thanks
Everyone else: Seriously thank you for your contributions.
I remember playing in beta with, what was it... 15 mining drones? (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
253
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:41:00 -
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Marcus Harikari wrote:oh god so people used to mine in....battleships? ugh
I loved my mining apoc ... AWSOME .Imagine training for another racial bs first just to be able to make enough isk while training for the racial BS you actually needed/wanted wich in my case was the raven.Man i loved my one-volley-killeverything raven. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
808
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:43:00 -
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I remember thinking I'd be stuck forever in my mining Osprey. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2178
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:44:00 -
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This is going back to 2005/2006 but here I am in my nano Navy Apoc Mining wessel, hurr-durr, it was amazing.
http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ladyspank/navyminer.jpg (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:48:00 -
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You girls do realize the irony of this thread during Hulkageddon I hope.
Now, about that Laser Banana...... Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
365
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:51:00 -
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Quite a lot of people back in the day were a bit ... vocal... about the mighty Apocs being reduced to the standard choice for roidgrinding, but it wasn't until the exhumers that 'minerpocs' really became a relic of the past. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2178
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:52:00 -
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It's not ironic. It's topical. I suggest you learn the meaning of words before bandying them about. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:54:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:It's not ironic. It's topical. I suggest you learn the meaning of words before bandying them about.
rawr. Look whose claws are quick today.
It's ironic AND topical. No argument here. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Execer
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
1
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:57:00 -
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I started Eve (with a different Char) in June 2003 a month after release.
There were 4 ship types. Frigate, Cruiser, Battleship, Industrial.
In the beginning, as has been suggested, most people mined. We got in our frigates, warped to belt, mined, warped back to station. Rinse and repeat until I could afford a cruiser and an industrial.
I used to wake up in the morning, set my indy off into a belt and leave it afk mining with one T1 mining laser and then go to school. Coming back to a cargo load of veld was awesome! 50k-100k was so much isk! The asteriods were massive and you didnt get suicide ganked.
Eventually I joined a corp and we all mined together in our cruisers and with dedicated haulers. We pooled our money and got me into an Apoc which was the best mining ship there was (7 Meta 4 mining lasers!). I then helped to make enough for the next battleship and we carried on until everyone got a battleship, obviously the process sped up as we went. Looking back it was some of the best fun I had, shooting the breeze with my fellow corp mates while watching mining lasers and drones (Harvesters) work away while we planned our dominance of the Eve world. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2178
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:00:00 -
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Execer, I have heard similar stories many times and while I played a bit in beta, I didn't actually get involved in the game until late 2005. I feel like I have missed out on SO SO much in the few years the game was in retail that I didn't participate in.
Thank you for your recollections GÖÑ (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Execer
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
2
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:14:00 -
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One of the biggest things to change in relation to mining is hauling and storage.
I joined Hegemonic Core (HC) in the XETIC alliance a while later. We operated in the Immensea area and mining operations of 0.0 began. The methods didn't change, the hauling did. Mining groups would go out and find the coveted Ark roids. Haulers would pick up the ore and haul it to 'depots'. These depots consisited of numerous giant containers floating in space. Some areas had 3 or 4 depots on root and the ore passed between each stage eventually making it back to empire.
This was before stations in 0.0. It was a long way to travel.
Miners were paid a percentage for mining and each hauler was paid depending on the stage and volume they hauled. Miners tracked how much they mined to get paid, and this allowed the management to keep an eye on the goods to make sure thefts were not occuring. I have no idea how people kept track of the payments but it worked very well.
That hauling allowed me to become one of the very first few people to own two battleships. Apoc and Tempest. I was rich! I quit Eve for 18 months just after that. I guess the mining had taken its toll!
Hauling now days is a piece of cake in comparison to those early days.
Logistics changed the mining game more than mining has ever changed.
I always wanted to get some of that in writing, glad I finally have. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2180
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:24:00 -
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I am glad too, thanks for your wonderful insight GÖÑ (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Long John Silver
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:45:00 -
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Many Vets will remember the Miner II fiasco, when a few bpo's were prematurely seeded. Together with Harvester drones, they were the biziness before mining barges were introduced.
The oldest vets will remember the days before battleships were rolled out (or at least before anyone could afford one). Thorax was the 'must have' mining ship then!
I remember the first time when a belt was wiped out by a corp before it could re-spawn. If my memory serves me right, it was a big event arranged by BSC in Tew system a few weeks after the game was launched and most players involved were mining in frigates fitted with miner 1's.
We were easily pleased back then!
/emote: rolls over and goes back to sleep. Long John Silver | Pirate Alt-áand Forum Troll. |
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Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
283
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:20:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote: The miners song
"Its all the same. Only the Roids change Everyday i feel im wasting away
Sometimes i sleep Sometimes its not for days And the people i meet just want to blast me into space
Sometimes you tell the day by the system that your in and times when your alone and all you do is think (about how productive you could be in real life)
Im a miner in a paper hull i ride and im wanted dead or (actually just dead)
That's actually pretty good! |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:21:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8 "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
252
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:39:00 -
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I saved all my mining ships as I progressed...I call it The Museum.
Contained therein is a Bantam, an Osprey, my first Badger, and a Retriever, old tech 1 mining crystals...and my very first piece of velspar ore.
On active duty I still have 2 Hulks (one fit for pure yield, one fit for yield and cargo space), a Macinaw (fit for cargo space), and my brand new mint Anti-Hulkageddon Covetor (which is just a cargo expanded Covetor with a scanner....but it's platinum insured).
Had some good times in some of those ships. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
346
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:40:00 -
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"I used to be a miner, but I took a Tornado to my Hulk" |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
346
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:47:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:I saved all my mining ships as I progressed...I call it The Museum.
And I call that...The Madness |
Thelron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:52:00 -
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Long John Silver wrote:Many Vets will remember the Miner II fiasco, when a few bpo's were prematurely seeded. Together with Harvester drones, they were the biziness before mining barges were introduced.
The oldest vets will remember the days before battleships were rolled out (or at least before anyone could afford one). Thorax was the 'must have' mining ship then!
I remember the first time when a belt was wiped out by a corp before it could re-spawn. If my memory serves me right, it was a big event arranged by BSC in Tew system a few weeks after the game was launched and most players involved were mining in frigates fitted with miner 1's.
We were easily pleased back then!
/emote: rolls over and goes back to sleep.
Stupid Gallente pilots and their stupid Thoraxes and Iterons... I just *had* to go Caldari so I ended up quite jealous of my friends' ability to mine up ammo and such whenever they needed it while I made do with a whopping 3 lasers (although those lucky SOBs who made it into a scorpion got *4* lasers).
Then of course there were 0.0 mining ops before you could even anchor a bunch of cans. And "hunting passes." And all the early CONCORD-related shenanigans... ahh, those were the days, when you REALLY never knew what was about to happen.
At least now, it's pretty easy to predict if you are or are not about to die horribly when someone warps into the belt you're mining (answer: are they in a barge or something else). |
Oxylan
1 Caldaryjski Pluton Uderzeniowy
17
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:20:00 -
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Long time ago Clash of the Titans This battle was damn long he was full of cap boosters :D this was my first true pvp. If it bleed we can kill it. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
255
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:32:00 -
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Battleship mining was always an option but it was laughed at by the general community. You got the typical "fail" comments when you put a geddon or a Rohk fit for mining together.
I am still seeing concerted avoidance from the GD propaganda team when you talk about solid T2 deep core, Rohk fits. They have over 70K EHP and outmine anything but a Hulk so I can see why the griefer crew wouldn't want them to become popular. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2207
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:56:00 -
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The key thing I have always told victims is to mine in a battleship. The Rokh seems popular for it. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
256
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:58:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:The key thing I have always told victims is to mine in a battleship. The Rokh seems popular for it.
Rokh CPU allows for mining better than other ships. Hyperion is next on the list.
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2207
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:03:00 -
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I borrowed a mining ROKH from a corpmate and fell asleep in it. he wasnt impressed at my afk sitting about in a belt status. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
287
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:03:00 -
[42] - Quote
Lady Spank wrote:Execer, I have heard similar stories many times and while I played a bit in beta, I didn't actually get involved in the game until late 2005. I feel like I have missed out on SO SO much in the few years the game was in retail that I didn't participate in.
Thank you for your recollections GÖÑ
I feel the same, reading them. I played beta for all of two weeks before moving on. Really wish I'd stuck around. The nostalgia reminds me of the early days of UO...everyone was mining at release in that game as well. (Or killing the miners, either way) People have a hard time determining what words mean. Words. -á |
Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
17
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:03:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote: The miners song
"Its all the same. Only the Roids change Everyday i feel im wasting away
Sometimes i sleep Sometimes its not for days And the people i meet just want to blast me into space
Sometimes you tell the day by the system that your in and times when your alone and all you do is think (about how productive you could be in real life)
Im a miner in a paper hull i ride and im wanted dead or (actually just dead)
Ok, I'm a miner, and I suppose I should be offended, but all I could do is laugh. Well played, sir. |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
83
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:31:00 -
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say that there's something to be learned from this little history lesson, although I'm struggling a bit to formulate it properly, so bear with me.
I think that over the years there must have occurred a significant change in the demographics of New Eden. There was a time when suicide ganking was a rare occurrence, where scamming was a relatively minor nuisance and where the worst griefer you'd come across was a pirate in low-sec who might ransom you and then not honor his pledge not to kill you.
I'm not saying it were golden days, the game was different then and had other challenges, but I do think that back then EVE had a much larger portion of the 'space simulation' interested players. Remember player groups like the Interstellar Starbase Syndicate or The Big Blue? Hell, even groups like the IAC, who were all about shenanigans, seemed more mature than the 'space bullies' we're dealing with today. At some point the game balance tipped from the spreadsheets-in-space crowd towards the i-want-to-ruin-your-game crowd.
It could very well be that this new demographic consists of the same people as back then, and what we are seeing now is simply the result of these players needing something to do? There was a time when it was an accomplishment in itself to build an outpost or a station, and a time when the construction of a single Titan was the crowning achievement for a large null-sec alliance. There were unexplored frontiers and end game goals to pursue.
Now it's all been done, and done so well that the system has sort of become set. Vast POS networks, system upgrades, ever more stations being built, larger and larger power-blocs, it's all creating a stagnant game-world where there are no new frontiers to explore, no next achievement.
I read a comment in one of the threads about the burn Jita event that sort of sums it up nicely:
"Wouldn't it be great if there was enough interesting things to do in null-sec that players wouldn't have to go to Jita and suicide gank to get their fun?"
Thank you for reading. Now open for flames, defamation and character attacks. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
371
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:32:00 -
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Long John Silver wrote:Many Vets will remember the Miner II fiasco, when a few bpo's were prematurely seeded. Together with Harvester drones, they were the biziness before mining barges were introduced.
The oldest vets will remember the days before battleships were rolled out (or at least before anyone could afford one). Thorax was the 'must have' mining ship then!
I remember the first time when a belt was wiped out by a corp before it could re-spawn. If my memory serves me right, it was a big event arranged by BSC in Tew system a few weeks after the game was launched and most players involved were mining in frigates fitted with miner 1's.
We were easily pleased back then!
/emote: rolls over and goes back to sleep.
I also remember that the roid respawn worked differently back then, with entire constellations having every roid field stripped for days, while belts elsewhere grew into planet-sized monstrosities. I also remember CCP flat-out denying the mechanic broken for like months (though looking at the situation now, I almost wish they had left it as it was). Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
642
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:33:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW6Sopxb4C8&feature=related
Start 1:20 in
Grats guys, you all got blinded sighted by Inferno boost to mining that you missed the fact that CCP only reduced other sources of minerals instead of revamping mining all together (like what...three incarnations of PI in just two years?). It hasn't changed....at all!
And it hasn't ******* changed since 2003, aside from different ships and strippers working just a little bit different then a mining laser its all the same. That video is circa 2010, rock graphics changed, ships changed by introducing new ships, but the boring act of mining...hasn't changed...at all. Good thing the rest of EVE changed, like the fact that Hulks die just as fast as they did to battleships with smart bombs and boosted artillery as they do now to destroyers except the thing about insurance no longer covering those battleships. And the fact that no one wants to see the hulk get somekind of boost or tweak...could we at least get gryo/mag stab/heat sink/balistic control +damage mods to act more like those ****** Mining upgrades and have +damage to ship combat incease CPU just as much as +asteroid increases to the hulk. Thats ******* balance, making the rest of EVE act the part of how the hulk has such odd and crappy fitting options. |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
84
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:38:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW6Sopxb4C8&feature=related
Start 1:20 in
Grats guys, you all got blinded sighted by Inferno boost to mining that you missed the fact that CCP only reduced other sources of minerals instead of revamping mining all together (like what...three incarnations of PI in just two years?). It hasn't changed....at all!
That youtube video is seriously funny. I nearly pissed myself.
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:44:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Thanks for your worthless comment. You were blocked for a good reason.
I had the same feeling when I see Goon red bars showing up
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:55:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote: The miners song
"Its all the same. Only the Roids change Everyday i feel im wasting away
Sometimes i sleep Sometimes its not for days And the people i meet just want to blast me into space
Sometimes you tell the day by the system that your in and times when your alone and all you do is think (about how productive you could be in real life)
Im a miner in a paper hull i ride and im wanted dead or (actually just dead)
I believe theres a certain irony to me quoting this.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:27:00 -
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Aron Croup wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say that there's something to be learned from this little history lesson, although I'm struggling a bit to formulate it properly, so bear with me.
I think that over the years there must have occurred a significant change in the demographics of New Eden. There was a time when suicide ganking was a rare occurrence, where scamming was a relatively minor nuisance and where the worst griefer you'd come across was a pirate in low-sec who might ransom you and then not honor his pledge not to kill you.
I'm not saying it were golden days, the game was different then and had other challenges, but I do think that back then EVE had a much larger portion of the 'space simulation' interested players. Remember player groups like the Interstellar Starbase Syndicate or The Big Blue? Hell, even groups like the IAC, who were all about shenanigans, seemed more mature than the 'space bullies' we're dealing with today. At some point the game balance tipped from the spreadsheets-in-space crowd towards the i-want-to-ruin-your-game crowd.
It could very well be that this new demographic consists of the same people as back then, and what we are seeing now is simply the result of these players needing something to do? There was a time when it was an accomplishment in itself to build an outpost or a station, and a time when the construction of a single Titan was the crowning achievement for a large null-sec alliance. There were unexplored frontiers and end game goals to pursue.
Now it's all been done, and done so well that the system has sort of become set. Vast POS networks, system upgrades, ever more stations being built, larger and larger power-blocs, it's all creating a stagnant game-world where there are no new frontiers to explore, no next achievement.
I read a comment in one of the threads about the burn Jita event that sort of sums it up nicely:
"Wouldn't it be great if there was enough interesting things to do in null-sec that players wouldn't have to go to Jita and suicide gank to get their fun?"
Thank you for reading. Now open for flames, defamation and character attacks.
Your memories of the 'good old days' must have become quite fuzzy if you think 'space bullies' are a thing of the present. M0o held Lonetrek in a chokehold for months, just because they could and wanted to provoke CCP. M3G4 were considered juvenile scum even by other pirates (though piracy hadn't devolved yet into the carebear-funded KM-whoring it is today). Cruise-kessies were already suicide ganking industrials supplying Techell's battleship production in Algogille and when Harvesters no longer dropped, mining with them truly became a death wish. And war-dec 'griefers' are basically as old as EVE itself.
I'll agree though that null sec has turned from Wild-West into the safe 'suburbs' of space, NAP-ing entire hemispheres of the map and having massive blob-fests on the other side of the map, while using cyno's and bridges to jump back the same night for some safe plexing.
And WH is slowly moving that direction as well with it's abundance of in-hole caps and all-moon POS-fortresses.
It is too hard to blow up infrastructure while travel is easy, safe and especially much too cheap. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
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Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
85
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:51:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:Your memories of the 'good old days' must have become quite fuzzy if you think 'space bullies' are a thing of the present. M0o held Lonetrek in a chokehold for months, just because they could and wanted to provoke CCP. M3G4 were considered juvenile scum even by other pirates (though piracy hadn't devolved yet into the carebear-funded KM-whoring it is today). Cruise-kessies were already suicide ganking industrials supplying Techell's battleship production in Algogille and when Harvesters no longer dropped, mining with them truly became a death wish. And war-dec 'griefers' are basically as old as EVE itself.
I'll agree though that null sec has turned from Wild-West into the safe 'suburbs' of space, NAP-ing entire hemispheres of the map and having massive blob-fests on the other side of the map, while using cyno's and bridges to jump back the same night for some safe plexing.
And WH is slowly moving that direction as well with it's abundance of in-hole caps and all-moon POS-fortresses.
It is too hard to blow up infrastructure while travel is easy, safe and especially much too cheap.
Yeah, not trying to gloss over the past here, it was rough back then too, especially with the 15km minimum warp distance to gates and stations.
But the i-want-to-ruin-your-game-and-harvest-your-tears sentiment is a sort of a refinement of old-school pirate tactics and griefer shenanigans, and in my opinion it is more widespread today. I remember we denied a pilot entry to our corporation once because he had scammed a player out of a mothership. In our alliance that was not viewed as an achievement or something to commend, we regarded him as untrustworthy and wouldn't have him even though we at the time didn't have any motherships of our own and it would have been of great value to us in our fleets. Not sure that would even be considered a relevant argument today. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
633
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:54:00 -
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Aron Croup wrote:I read a comment in one of the threads about the burn Jita event that sort of sums it up nicely:
"Wouldn't it be great if there was enough interesting things to do in null-sec that players wouldn't have to go to Jita and suicide gank to get their fun?" Boat stories and structure shoots only go so far.
Freighte/hauler ganks and boat gloating, now that's the ticket Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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