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Johnny Gurkha
Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci
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Posted - 2009.05.04 20:41:00 -
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This advice goes out to any new corps entering FW, fly on a level playing field with others - use the same tactics!
Why sacrifice a Falcon alt in your own corp who will surely die? Needless expense! Use remote reppers in a neutral corp and guarantee a win!
This shout out goes to Atomic Battle Penguins who are using these highly dubious tactics to great effect in Old Man Star to pad killboard stats!
Who says PVP has risk!
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Intigo
Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.05.04 20:44:00 -
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A lot of people use this now unfortunately.
Doesn't change the fact that it's downright pathetic, obviously. ___________________
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.04 20:54:00 -
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Something ... happened. :) --- I smack just for myself.
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Johnny Gurkha
Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci
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Posted - 2009.05.04 21:06:00 -
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It's the first time I've had this "tactic" used on me... I don't mind losing ships - risk/reward and all that
tbh if you use these tactics your no better than a lamer with a Falcon alt. Nuff said really...
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FievelGoesPostal
Gallente The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.05.04 21:23:00 -
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No offense dude, but are you new to Eve?
Ever heard the phrase, "All things are fair in love and war" ?
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Auliax
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Posted - 2009.05.04 21:54:00 -
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call it fair if you want but it's still totally lame.. our current war consists of a a WT member with 6 accounts, 5 computer screens, 4 active combat accounts (all in corp) and I swear he brings in a neutral pocket-Guardian for situations that don't guarantee him a win. real fair!
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.05.04 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: FievelGoesPostal Ever heard the phrase, "All things are fair in love and war" ?
How much are you willing to bet that phrase was coined by some victorious general after he just used ethically dubious tactics to destroy an enemy? (from the mighty interweb: "The proverb is found in varying forms. The proverb is frequently used to justify cheating")
Neutral RR is a scourge everywhere in Eve, not just in the FW areas. The fact that it can be done with no reaction from Concord (and their sentries) is the big factor. It got better after a neutral RR now gets flagged to the opposition, but it is still virtually impossible to counter due to inability to anticipate and account for the number/size of the RR.
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Callie Nefarious
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2009.05.04 22:05:00 -
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Remote rep crew checkin in! Blame Dave, he always forces us to do horrible things. -----------------------------------------------
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FievelGoesPostal
Gallente The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 01:30:00 -
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Neutral RR is not as big a deal as some of you are making it out to be. A good pvp outfit will adjust. Thats what makes winners and losers in any competitive arena. Those who adjust and gain an advantage, and those who don't.
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Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.05 01:53:00 -
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lol imagine that... -GS defending RR alts.
my op is that it screws over the current wardec mechanic, especially when the RR alts are in undeccable nubcorps.
i propose 30-day killrights on anyone that RR's someone in a war, with the appropriate little warning deal. or maybe simplify it with a concordokken. 3rd idea: make them a good ol' star for the duration of the war regardless of what corp they are in, nub or otherwise. good solution to an obnoxious prob.
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.05.05 05:21:00 -
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nuet hauler full of 800s, (thnks 4 the idea kess) keeps my dual rep baddon going as long as i want, and yes i can probably tank you, but i mainly fly it solo, i used a falcon to cut down blobs and jam other falcons thats it. sometimes thses things are a way for a solo player to be able to buck the trend, its very hard to think of anything like this that cant be used by blobs to hurt solo players, i do agree that the flagging system is crap, i also think that the real problem (if you think its a problem)is the blob in the first place, moar = better, generally safer and in the end more isk effeciant, oh and what about ppl undocking 5 carriers to kill 9 of our bss eh? o well, way i see it, solo pvp is not dead, bs solo pvp is not dead, maybee because of the same things that made it hard in the first place,
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Shadow Devourer
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Posted - 2009.05.05 07:12:00 -
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Game mechanics. I don't like it but that's the way it is. They would be fools not to take advantage of all the tools at their disposal.
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Robert0288
Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.05.05 08:09:00 -
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as soon as it happends its not 'neutral' anymore is it? Just gives you more targets
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burek
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2009.05.05 08:16:00 -
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Funny, some people go through life without any neutral remote repping problems, because they either kill the reppers or make them leave. Other would rather whine.
Seriously, what does it matter that he's "neutral" lol? As soon as he starts he isn't any more.
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Sythyss
Paradigm Council
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Posted - 2009.05.05 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: burek Funny, some people go through life without any neutral remote repping problems, because they either kill the reppers or make them leave. Other would rather whine.
Seriously, what does it matter that he's "neutral" lol? As soon as he starts he isn't any more.
Remote repping is hardly as problematic as people make it out to be.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.05.05 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: burek Remote repping is hardly as problematic as people make it out to be.
True, it is not "end of the world" type stuff but it gives people who use an unfair advantage.
Yes, you can shoot a neutral RR as soon as he begins repping a target you are shooting, but he gets no aggro and since it is most frequently done at/near gates or stations .. good luck popping a plated Guardian or in lowsec a Carrier before it docks or jumps.
The non-aggression off RR gives it near invulnerability to people not using it, same as the old 200km Falcon really. RR either needs to be toned down in favour of local repairing or it needs to be slapped with aggression same as all other activated offensive modules.
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FievelGoesPostal
Gallente The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Burseg Sardaukar lol imagine that... -GS defending RR alts.
my op is that it screws over the current wardec mechanic, especially when the RR alts are in undeccable nubcorps.
i propose 30-day killrights on anyone that RR's someone in a war, with the appropriate little warning deal. or maybe simplify it with a concordokken. 3rd idea: make them a good ol' star for the duration of the war regardless of what corp they are in, nub or otherwise. good solution to an obnoxious prob.
Again, good pvp corps handle this without issue.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.05 11:36:00 -
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Quote:
This advice goes out to any new corps entering FW, fly on a level playing field with others - use the same tactics!
Why sacrifice a Falcon alt in your own corp who will surely die? Needless expense! Use remote reppers in a neutral corp and guarantee a win!
This shout out goes to Atomic Battle Penguins who are using these highly dubious tactics to great effect in Old Man Star to pad killboard stats!
Who says PVP has risk!
The only way to stop this, is for everyone to use it all day long till it's nerfed as exploit.
While the RR thing does not bother me the least (they are but 2 more killmails where we live), I find it as an odd mechanic.
In high sec if two guys A and B are killing each other and an out of corp third C starts shooting A, AFAIK he's Concorded.
But how is it different for C to shoot A (and be Concorded), vs C healing B? In the first case C affects A's hit points to help B, in the second C affects B's hit points to help B. In both cases there's an intervention to alter hit points (or cap or whatever) to help the same B, still one case is punished and the other is not?
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Nichola Kreed
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:05:00 -
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it is not big deal in low sec, but really annoying in high sec wars. any way it wont take long to train a falcon alt to a logi alt
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Veebora
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.06 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sythyss
Originally by: burek Funny, some people go through life without any neutral remote repping problems, because they either kill the reppers or make them leave. Other would rather whine.
Seriously, what does it matter that he's "neutral" lol? As soon as he starts he isn't any more.
Remote repping is hardly as problematic as people make it out to be.
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Nice to see that you both don't know anything about what you are talking about, funny.
A neutral can remote rep a FW militia forever without be flashy to anybody, different from other parts of game.
So if you are a neutral remote repairing a FW small ships fleet fighting near a gate you are free of charge. Any ship that shot you will die to sentry guns.
I've opened a bug report number 78632 about this on 2009.04.22, but this is still without answer.
Funny CCP.
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:02:00 -
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Simple, either give RR 30 day killrights or give RR a stacking penalty IE. Stacks across all people repping, so the last guy repping will be ~1% effective. And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now |
Reiko Masamune
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Gurkha This advice goes out to any new corps entering FW, fly on a level playing field with others - use the same tactics!
Why sacrifice a Falcon alt in your own corp who will surely die? Needless expense! Use remote reppers in a neutral corp and guarantee a win!
This shout out goes to Atomic Battle Penguins who are using these highly dubious tactics to great effect in Old Man Star to pad killboard stats!
Who says PVP has risk!
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: burek Funny, some people go through life without any neutral remote repping problems, because they either kill the reppers or make them leave. Other would rather whine.
Seriously, what does it matter that he's "neutral" lol? As soon as he starts he isn't any more.
Remote repping is hardly as problematic as people make it out to be.
True. Easy enough to target the neutral repper when he goes flashy. However, the more reppers there are, the harder they are to take down, as they can spider tank as well. Personally, unless there's a fleet forming, I won't engage these pilots, and as soon as they detect a fleet heading towards them, they rabbit. It's always nice to take out expensive neutral repping ships, though.
As someone else mentioned, this tactic should cause aggro. It seems bizarre that this action can occur in front of navy personnel, and none of the navy pilots considers this a treasonous act in itself. And as I mentioned before, they should, strictly speaking, become a war target for an extended period of time, or at least have a much longer criminal countdown. As it is, I think it's just too easy for the neutral reppers to escape any kind of retribution.
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Auliax
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Posted - 2009.05.06 14:44:00 -
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Ok Mr. "Just kill them." How about outside a station when you have 4 neut-repping battleships all repping a WT Hyperion who is just blasting away without any concern... Primary one of the reppers and they just immediately dock and un-dock... rinse, repeat.
At the very least Neutral-Repping should agress you to stations and gates.
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Hot Tubes
A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.06 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Hot Tubes on 06/05/2009 15:04:08 Another situation, which seems to come up more than any other in my experience, is when the enemy at very least equal you in ships, if not having 2 or 3 more than you, and you fight anyway as you're up for the challenge. Then you find that as well as them already beginning with this advantage they also bring out 2-3 RR neuts at the same time. These guys might be sitting 60km away. When you're in a blaster/drone boat it's not terribly easy to just suddenly engage these people. It's not so easy to "just take out the RR" when this happens.
If you believe RR to be so essential to your corp's ability to win then I fail to understand why you wouldn't just include these people in your corp already. Unless your admitting to it giving you an advantage to leave them in some neut corp where they take no risk on at all until they activate those reps from whatever distance they positioned themselves at beside station so they can instantly dock if attacked.
Edit: EPICZ SPELLORZ
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.06 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: FievelGoesPostal No offense dude, but are you new to Eve?
Ever heard the phrase, "All things are fair in love and war" ?
You all still hang out in Dodixie?
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Pride NL
The Legendaries
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Posted - 2009.05.06 15:41:00 -
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As soon as the repped person attacks the repper wil be flagged. It is intended game mechanics.
As far as the GM's are concerned anyway. Just ignore and proceed. People that get killed by this tactic are plain stupid.
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Auliax
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Posted - 2009.05.06 15:53:00 -
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I'm relatively new to the game and totally understand how it's intended and that's all well and good; but I don't see a reason why neut's don't at least aggress to stations or gates, or even give kill-rights. There is simply no risk involved.
So here's an example I've noticed occurring fairly often and talked about by said neut-repper in local: It's Friday night and some drunk 4-year old pilot logs-in and decides to screw some fights over under a market hub such as Amarr. (98% of fights in empire happen at either a station or gate) He simply has no risk whatsoever doing it, and gets his jolleys-off by costing someone a ship and potentially hundreds of millions of isk purely because he's "in the mood" with no risk involved. If this is part of CCP's intention to add to the "cold, cold game" of EVE then so be it, but to parallel with almost every aspect of the game: risk vs. reward, he should at least think twice before doing it.
My two cents.
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FievelGoesPostal
Gallente The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Originally by: FievelGoesPostal No offense dude, but are you new to Eve?
Ever heard the phrase, "All things are fair in love and war" ?
You all still hang out in Dodixie?
Nah, we moved out to Stacmon. Couldnt get a decent fight there in Dodixie anymore, and it looks like we moved just before the lag got really bad.
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FievelGoesPostal
Gallente The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Auliax I'm relatively new to the game and totally understand how it's intended and that's all well and good; but I don't see a reason why neut's don't at least aggress to stations or gates, or even give kill-rights. There is simply no risk involved.
So here's an example I've noticed occurring fairly often and talked about by said neut-repper in local: It's Friday night and some drunk 4-year old pilot logs-in and decides to screw some fights over under a market hub such as Amarr. (98% of fights in empire happen at either a station or gate) He simply has no risk whatsoever doing it, and gets his jolleys-off by costing someone a ship and potentially hundreds of millions of isk purely because he's "in the mood" with no risk involved. If this is part of CCP's intention to add to the "cold, cold game" of EVE then so be it, but to parallel with almost every aspect of the game: risk vs. reward, he should at least think twice before doing it.
My two cents.
I know it sucks that a plated Domi can come out and with almost no risk and RR a target . But its something that you have to adjust to and account for. We used to have a neutral bumping Mach pilot that would we use to knock off neutral reps off station about 40k.
There are hundreds of things that happen in this game that arent "fair.
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