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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 14:25:06 allot of you blob warriors here don't even talk realistic in here about real situations out there.
keep hanging around your gates and call it pvp will yeas..
you don't gotta tell me what its like to move in and out of 00 systems, i have been through it all but at lest in the past i know i had a real chance to keep a ship jumping around.
now a days i just have to log 99% of the time till the blobs thin out. its getting dull to have to keep playing this way as a solo player..
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Hot Lotto
Minmatar Eve Hot Lotto
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Posted - 2009.05.05 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Hot Lotto on 05/05/2009 14:41:20 0.0 isn't meant to be done solo. It is meant to be extremly hard as a aolo in 0.0.
It's the edge of space where no laws or police exist and you have to carve out your piece of land and defend it constantly.
Thank of it like High Sec space. You attack someone in a .5 or higher you have Concord all over you and no chance you are getting away. That is because Concord said. You are welcome in as long as you play nice. They are more trusting then most Alliances but that is because they have the resources to be more trusting and have a huge protection force in every system.
In 0.0 those alliances donÆt have the luxury of being able to have a huge force to take down anyone that isnÆt playing nice in anyone of their systems. So they have to resort to trying their best to keep you out. Once you are in itÆs much harder for them to police you.
A -10 character jumping into a .5 knows they are going to lose their ship. In this instance you are the -10 jumping into some alliance space. The difference is your know there is a chance you may lose your ship. Concord doesn't even give you a chance once you are on their KOS list.
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 15:18:00 -
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that dosnt mean alliances should have a free pass too owning vast amounts of space through only having to defand one or two main ways in or out to low sec or empire. most of them dont got the members to proper defand or control the vast systems out there they lay clam to but they dont need to do they, they only got to defand one or two main gates..
i know the risks to 00/low sec been in there my hole eve.
80% of any solo fight i ever managed to get into i have won or backed down my attacker if in a even matched ship. i always do my best to scan for gate camps befor i jump to them but the truth is its not like it should be with borders and outposts.
you got outpost evrywhere now.. you have stations way to close to boarder gates from low sec/empire so as you have no need to live deep in 00 systems. there is no buffer zone from the first jump into oo systems to running into blobs right off the bat.
their should be no stations or outpost anywhere for at lest 5 jumps into 00.. there should be no choke points till 8 or more jumps into 00 systems. one way in or out from 00 to low sec or empire space is real unrealistic for moving around proper.
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Seishi Maru
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.05.05 15:26:00 -
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Its impossible to NOT have choke points. Only way would be to make almost every system connect to every system on the constellation. That would look dumb artificial and down to BAD game play. Are already rare the palces that a choke point (except the between region ones, that are storylinewise explained) can force you to take a detour of more than 15 jumps.
No big deal. You can enter almosst any region in eve from 2 or 3 different entry points.
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 15:38:00 -
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Caldari Provisions: giving you the worst posters in GD since 2003. --
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Seishi Maru Its impossible to NOT have choke points. Only way would be to make almost every system connect to every system on the constellation. That would look dumb artificial and down to BAD game play. Are already rare the places that a choke point (except the between region ones, that are storylinewise explained) can force you to take a detour of more than 15 jumps.
No big deal. You can enter almosst any region in eve from 2 or 3 different entry points.
i don't agree with you there most 00 entry's only have two main ways in or out. for the most point they are right on the empire/low sec boarders. not where they should be deeper in 00 space. who dose empire/pirates need to defend from with 98% of the choke points right on the empire/low sec systems.
are you gonna see 50 to a few hundred ships moving through empire space too attack cva/bob/stain space.. no! they come from deeper or other 00 systems to mainly attack in any real force. so yea, i can see choke points deeper in 00 systems to defend proper that are on border to other 00 alliance systems.
but, no.. there should be buffer zones where there are many more ways in or out of 00 systems. i see no harm in making more entry points from low sec to 00 systems or high sec. the fighting would be more mobile and allot more fun i bet then the blob system we got now for combat.. so players can easily get 5 or more jumps in or around shallow 00 systems. i think a buffer 00 area like low sec is would work out real well for empire players and low sec players who wont 00 access without having to get blob gated out the first jump they take in.
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Fife Caldari Provisions: giving you the worst posters in GD since 2003.
whatever you say there rocket scientist!
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Spurty
Caldari Summer Summer Summer Fun
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Posted - 2009.05.05 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Ehmà what? 1MN AB II ù 11 PG, 15 CPU 1MN MWD II ù 17 PH, 25 CPU 10MN AB II ù 55 PG, 25 CPU 10MN MWD II ù 165 PG, 50 CPU 100MN AB II ù 688 PG, 50 CPU 100MN MWD II ù 1,375 PG, 75 CPU
Soà no?
Facts as usual, when laid out, crushing 'belief'. Kudus to Tippia!
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 13:02:39 they should not just be a mission tool.
webs should have no effect on them and anyone mounting a web/scram should also get a sig hit.
And yet they would still be a comedy option for PVP and would still lose to anything with a MWD and the ability to hit from outside 15km. __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 16:42:44
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: OffBeaT Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 13:02:39 they should not just be a mission tool.
webs should have no effect on them and anyone mounting a web/scram should also get a sig hit.
And yet they would still be a comedy option for PVP and would still lose to anything with a MWD and the ability to hit from outside 15km.
what planet are you on, how long dose it take for a intersept or frig to close on you at no more then 10 to 20km to you jumping through a gate.
what 2 secands.. 3 at most! what are you talking about
you realy think the sig hit would do that to these traping ships.
the sig hit would be a problem to the crusers/battle ships. yea, fast trapping ships with blob soport dont need to tank it will be a split secand gank. webs give them that more then enough!
i dont see a reason why webs shouldnt be able to be counterd by afterburners, and it still wouldnt be much of a counter unless i had a scrambler on as well to counter your mwd or a web to counter to give me the running chance.
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Korrakas
Caldari Legion of Ascension Beyond Ascension
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Posted - 2009.05.05 17:24:00 -
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y'all got trolled
Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't have holidays. I don't leave the forums unattended. I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 17:38:00 -
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Webs have already been horribly nerfed. If this isn't enough for you, you are doing something wrong. There are counters to it — use them. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Webs have already been horribly nerfed. If this isn't enough for you, you are doing something wrong. There are counters to it ù use them.
there is no counter to being scrambled and webed at the same time except shot it out or hope you are are at the very end of its range.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT
Originally by: Tippia Webs have already been horribly nerfed. If this isn't enough for you, you are doing something wrong. There are counters to it ù use them.
there is no counter to being scrambled and webed at the same time except shot it out or hope you are are at the very end of its range.
lrn2neut lrn2spell lrn2troll __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Overseer Aliena
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:11:00 -
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I think my IQ dropped a few points entering this thread.
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 19:12:03
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: OffBeaT
Originally by: Tippia Webs have already been horribly nerfed. If this isn't enough for you, you are doing something wrong. There are counters to it ù use them.
there is no counter to being scrambled and webed at the same time except shot it out or hope you are are at the very end of its range.
lrn2neut lrn2spell lrn2troll
oh right! with no fire power and kill my own cap, while i am trying to brake out from a blob attack using my mwd or afterburner at the same time. good idea!
hehe.. this is a solo pvper here. stick to your blobs! keep your advice its fail!
real pvper..
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Overseer Aliena
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT
real pvper..
...know how to get away from gate camps.
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Overseer Aliena
Originally by: OffBeaT
real pvper..
...know how to get away from gate camps.
it ant gonna be his way!
you can take me on right player.
intersepors you and me! your a solo fighter right! show me you know.
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Overseer Aliena
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Overseer Aliena on 05/05/2009 19:27:05
Originally by: OffBeaT Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 19:17:06
Originally by: Overseer Aliena
Originally by: OffBeaT
real pvper..
...know how to get away from gate camps.
it ant gonna be his way!
you can take me on right player.
interseptors you and me! your a solo fighter right! show me you know.
Somebody else did already but you mocked them. I am a noob in low/null sec but I was lucky to find someone to teach me some tricks. And since I listened I haven't been caught at a gate camp for several months now in ships larger than you speak of. My combat is still not great but I can at least avoid the obvious.
Although it does sound like all I have to do is web you and you fall dead like Achilles himself.
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 19:32:35
Originally by: Overseer Alena Edited by: Overseer Aliena on 05/05/2009 19:27:05
Originally by: OffBeaT Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 19:17:06
Originally by: Overseer Aliena
Originally by: OffBeaT
real pvper..
...know how to get away from gate camps.
it ant gonna be his way!
you can take me on right player.
interceptors you and me! your a solo fighter right! show me you know.
Somebody else did already but you mocked them. I am a noob in low/null sec but I was lucky to find someone to teach me some tricks. And since I listened I haven't been caught at a gate camp for several months now in ships larger than you speak of. My combat is still not great but I can at least avoid the obvious.
Although it does sound like all I have to do is web you and you fall dead like Achilles himself.
then don't sit here and shot your mouth off then because you don't know WTF your talking about! anyone can avoid gate camps if you don't wont a fight or don't goto 00 system to often..
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Overseer Aliena
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT
don't sit here and talk then because you don't know WTF your talking about! anyone can advod gate camps if you don't wont a fight or don't goto 00 system to often..
Wait, so now you are saying that you CAN avoid gate camps?
Or does anyone = not you?
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Vanzatoarea
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:34:00 -
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If anything EvE is unbalanced because it is waaaaay to easy to avoid and escape combat
It is way to hard to lock down a system efficiently , come on , we all know bubles can be dodged..
anyway , why do so many people believe it would be in any way balanced to escape from a say 4-5vs1 situation on a gate most of the times?
finaly , funy thing is i hardly ever have any issues traveling through 0.0
hell i even ran all the way across delve and querios on autopilot in a shuttle 3 weeks ago....
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 19:53:11 Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 19:46:03 what is the matter with you **** en people! huh!
don't you wont any sport in this game. i can sit deep in a 00 system with 15 ships with them hunting me and screamed who wonts a duel. you know and not one of them will hunt me solo! not **** en one..
why i tell you why because they don't know how to solo fight!
so what, i cant get a real solo fight so keep moving in my intercept too find one dogging gate camps blobs packing on me trying to box me in. Finlay i jump in on a interceptor its a solo grab for ether one of us. i am using a afterburner because i don't wont to get blob caught when they come to his aid. so he call his pals in not that he needed them he was doing good and keeping up damage vs tank. so his pals shout in, like 6 or more of them. you know what ganged me in that intercept setup, it was a web..
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:45:00 -
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Ok. So far, we've disproven your every point. You've personally disproven and defanged your initial complaint. And still you whinge…
So I have to ask: what, exactly, is your problem? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Ok. So far, we've disproven your every point. You've personally disproven and defanged your initial complaint. And still you whingeà
So I have to ask: what, exactly, is your problem?
i dont see that.. but, you can show me you can solo pvp.
we can do interseptor as a abilty to show we know how to rig a hard ship to fit.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT i dont see that.. but, you can show me you can solo pvp.
we can do interseptor as a abilty to show we know how to rig a hard ship to fit.
Ok. In other words: your problem is that you don't get EVE.
Got it. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:51:00 -
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i have made good ppoint here from a real way of looking at whats going on out there!
you guys have not but say to me you can avoid gate camps. i went through planty of 00 gates today just fine.
but to go back out too empire was a diffrent story.
i would never of made that gate.. never!
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: OffBeaT i dont see that.. but, you can show me you can solo pvp.
we can do interseptor as a abilty to show we know how to rig a hard ship to fit.
Ok. In other words: your problem is that you don't get EVE.
Got it.
your not showing me your a pvper!
what did i ask you!
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Hot Lotto
Minmatar Eve Hot Lotto
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 19:53:11 Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 19:46:03 what is the matter with you **** en people! huh!
don't you wont any sport in this game. i can sit deep in a 00 system with 15 ships with them hunting me and screamed who wonts a duel. you know and not one of them will hunt me solo! not **** en one..
why i tell you why because they don't know how to solo fight!
so what, i cant get a real solo fight so keep moving in my intercept too find one dogging gate camps blobs packing on me trying to box me in. Finlay i jump in on a interceptor its a solo grab for ether one of us. i am using a afterburner because i don't wont to get blob caught when they come to his aid. so he call his pals in not that he needed them he was doing good and keeping up damage vs tank. so his pals shout in, like 6 or more of them. you know what ganged me in that intercept setup, it was a web..
So what your saying is since you were not fitted properly for that fight...and got owned...that webs are over powered.
I get it now, you are 100% right.
NERF WEBS!!! While we are at it can the Devs please design a personal AB for Offbeat that only he can have. It should destroy anything within 100km once activated and make you move at 10x the speed of any MWD. That way the game can be fair in Offbeats eyes. He can finally have his one setup that will beat everything without having to actually use a brain. ___________________________________
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Overseer Aliena
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:15:00 -
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I'm still trying to figure out if this is a belated speed nerf whine or a solo whine.
If its a belated speed nerf whine then tough nuggets. If six ships warped in on you then you should have had ample warning time.
If its a solo whine then you should know better. You choose to solo, you should know better that not every one in a Massive Multiplayer Online game is going to play by the same rules and be fair.
You want duels? Go back to wow.
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