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Hot Lotto
Minmatar Eve Hot Lotto
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:19:00 -
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Since his whining jumps around from topic to topic I can only assume that it's and I can't win at everything whine.
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hot Lotto
Originally by: OffBeaT Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 19:53:11 Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 19:46:03 what is the matter with you **** en people! huh!
don't you wont any sport in this game. i can sit deep in a 00 system with 15 ships with them hunting me and screamed who wonts a duel. you know and not one of them will hunt me solo! not **** en one..
why i tell you why because they don't know how to solo fight!
so what, i cant get a real solo fight so keep moving in my intercept too find one dogging gate camps blobs packing on me trying to box me in. Finlay i jump in on a interceptor its a solo grab for ether one of us. i am using a afterburner because i don't wont to get blob caught when they come to his aid. so he call his pals in not that he needed them he was doing good and keeping up damage vs tank. so his pals shout in, like 6 or more of them. you know what ganged me in that intercept setup, it was a web..
So what your saying is since you were not fitted properly for that fight...and got owned...that webs are over powered.
I get it now, you are 100% right.
NERF WEBS!!! While we are at it can the Devs please design a personal AB for Offbeat that only he can have. It should destroy anything within 100km once activated and make you move at 10x the speed of any MWD. That way the game can be fair in Offbeats eyes. He can finally have his one setup that will beat everything without having to actually use a brain.
bro, i was fitted bad ass, you know how many shots it took by no less then 6 ships to take me down even webed.. a hell of alot more then they would of thought.
i was very happy with my fit. it was a real good intersepter tank.
it was fin boss.. but with all them blob webs getting put on me by larger ships who warped in to aid him gave me no way out of that fight. its always the webs that nail me down, nerfed or not.
i be happy to give you guys back you 90% webs for my afterburner to counter them as it should be.
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Vanzatoarea
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:29:00 -
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sports?:))
so you run in 0.0 looking for 1v1`s?
tough luck there ,internetz spaceshipz is serious business...not a sport
now please go back to wow?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:35:00 -
[64]
Originally by: OffBeaT i be happy to give you guys back you 90% webs for my afterburner to counter them as it should be.
Why should it? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 20:43:07
Originally by: Vanzatoarea sports?:))
so you run in 0.0 looking for 1v1`s?
tough luck there ,internetz spaceshipz is serious business...not a sport
now please go back to wow?
i know, you are blob warriors and its your style!
just dont give anyone a chance but the blob in a fight! you run from a blob you dont fight one, i dont fight blobs i move around as best i can with crews of 8 to more ships on my back evrywhere i move.
i know you guys arnt pvpers out side of blob's or real duke it out kind of gamers, but i am and i wont a fighting chance even with blobs chasing me down.
i just think thats what a afterburner should be in the game to do. counter web/scramblers..
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT i just think thats what a afterburner should be in the game to do. counter web/scramblers..
Why should it? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Hot Lotto
Minmatar Eve Hot Lotto
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Hot Lotto on 05/05/2009 20:43:35
Originally by: OffBeaT
bro, i was fitted bad ass, you know how many shots it took by no less then 6 ships to take me down even webed.. a hell of alot more then they would of thought.
i was very happy with my fit. it was a real good intersepter tank.
it was fin boss.. but with all them blob webs getting put on me by larger ships who warped in to aid him gave me no way out of that fight. its always the webs that nail me down, nerfed or not.
i be happy to give you guys back you 90% webs for my afterburner to counter them as it should be.
You stated one interceptor locked you down until the others could show up and kill you. So clearly you were setup poorly for that fight.
you were fitted to take him down one on one. He was fitted to lock you down and call for back up...you lose, he out smarted you...he was bait...he won.
As I have said there should be no fitting that should be safe from everything, which is what you are asking for. You are asking for a 1v1 fit that can take on others 1v1 or escape from everything else, thus never having to worry about a lost ship. That is not going to happen. This isn't monoploy you don't get a "Get out of jail free card." ___________________________________
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:50:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Tippier
Originally by: OffBeaT i just think thats what a afterburner should be in the game to do. counter web/scramblers..
Why should it?
its what that mod needs to do to give the ability for close combat vs a ship with a fighting chance of braking off the said attack to give a fighting chance to run if needed vs others jumping in, or to help counter gate traps as most people are malt-able webbed buy larger ships..
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:53:00 -
[69]
Your logic is pretty flawed and it also sounds like you want to be able to beat a blob solo in an AF.
From what I've read, it also sounds like you don't want to have to fit a scram. In addition to all this you've been condescending about how everyone else is doing it wrong. I think I've read that twice.
And seriously, is that hard to type 'ab' without another random letter in the middle?
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Overseer Aliena
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:56:00 -
[70]
Originally by: OffBeaT
Originally by: Tippier
Originally by: OffBeaT i just think thats what a afterburner should be in the game to do. counter web/scramblers..
Why should it?
its what that mod needs to do to give the ability for close combat vs a ship with a fighting chance of braking off the said attack to give a fighting chance to run if needed vs others jumping in, or to help counter gate traps as most people are malt-able webbed buy larger ships..
There is a module that does that, its called ecm burst.
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:57:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Hot Lotto Edited by: Hot Lotto on 05/05/2009 20:43:35
Originally by: OffBeaT
bro, i was fitted bad ass, you know how many shots it took by no less then 6 ships to take me down even webed.. a hell of alot more then they would of thought.
i was very happy with my fit. it was a real good intersepter tank.
it was fin boss.. but with all them blob webs getting put on me by larger ships who warped in to aid him gave me no way out of that fight. its always the webs that nail me down, nerfed or not.
i be happy to give you guys back you 90% webs for my afterburner to counter them as it should be.
You stated one interceptor locked you down until the others could show up and kill you. So clearly you were setup poorly for that fight.
you were fitted to take him down one on one. He was fitted to lock you down and call for back up...you lose, he out smarted you...he was bait...he won.
As I have said there should be no fitting that should be safe from everything, which is what you are asking for. You are asking for a 1v1 fit that can take on others 1v1 or escape from everything else, thus never having to worry about a lost ship. That is not going to happen. This isn't monoploy you don't get a "Get out of jail free card."
i picked the fight! he didnt see it comming, he was not in a gang, he was just given aid from others around the system.
the point is i should be able to engage other solo players but be able to have a mod to maby give me a back door out if i paly my move right! he was not even in gang but he didnt need to be as i stand out in local like a beacan every system i move to!
they where already in packs hunting for me.. you cant hide from local.. imo!
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:59:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Tippia on 05/05/2009 21:00:11 Trying to decipher this, and it's getting increasingly difficult, sooo… Originally by: OffBeaT it needs to do to give a ship a fighting chance of braking off the attack
What you're looking for is a warp core stabiliser. They're already in the game and they've been beaten over the head with the nerf stick steam hammer.
It has received that treatment for a very good reason: "breaking off" should not be in the EVE dictionary. It is very bad for the game. If you commit to a fight, you commit to a fight. If it turns pear-shaped, then tough luck. Don't like it? Tough. Prepare better next time. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Overseer Aliena
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Overseer Aliena on 05/05/2009 21:01:11 This really is a belated speed nerf whine. This was the exact line of thinking for all the AF pilots when they introduced the change.
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 21:50:30
Originally by: Franga Your logic is pretty flawed and it also sounds like you want to be able to beat a blob solo in an AF.
From what I've read, it also sounds like you don't want to have to fit a scram. In addition to all this you've been condescending about how everyone else is doing it wrong. I think I've read that twice.
And seriously, is that hard to type 'ab' without another random letter in the middle?
afb, atb, abb
how is it flawed! i am in a close range attack frig/intersepeter..think on this ok.. think!
every mod i am using in my frig is made to attack close up the risk is high!. you don't use a ab for long range spurts vs a mwd do you. your ab is for short close in attacking namely where they are most effective using this way. even range weapons on frigs aren't really that on range. so, everyone uses a scrambler these days on frigs unless your going after bigger ships, right. forget a mwd on frig vs frig as the scrambler will just shut that down or some gate cruiser will just Sig better on me. a frigs attack range is no more then 25 to 30km under 10 to 14km if you wont to web or scramble someone, and jamming with ecm/damps work for **** under 14km in a fight, im not saying you cant but i wouldn't risk it vs a good tank setup myself at a close range in a fight. this i think is everything that the ab is about and how you need to use it close in as a ambush mod. so i would hope it would nil web effects as well so cruisers cant target me so easily or bs vs cruisers. it will bring back the ship to ship kind of pvp we or i mess so much. it dose not give a get out of jail card for free as i would still need to get out of warp jamming range to warp out and that could still be up to 10-24 to 30km to jump. fleets can be ambushed more proper close in. in fleet combat frigs deal with frigs cruisers to cruiser or bs. ships need a viable way out in close range combat if you need to. webs will still be used just fine as everyone is not gonna fit a ab and give up attack speed to jam a ship down. its a close range mod used for inside combat with a chance of escape..
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Overseer Aliena
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:51:00 -
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So when they hit us with the speed change the common phrase at the time was adapt or die. Since you seem to be the first to whine about this in what, 6-8 months, then I guess you didn't adapt.
GB2WOW.
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Overseer Aliena So when they hit us with the speed change the common phrase at the time was adapt or die. Since you seem to be the first to whine about this in what, 6-8 months, then I guess you didn't adapt.
GB2WOW.
this is not about speed, its about the ability to ambush to evade to out wit somewhat with a fighting chance vs larger numbers!
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Overseer Aliena
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT
Originally by: Overseer Aliena So when they hit us with the speed change the common phrase at the time was adapt or die. Since you seem to be the first to whine about this in what, 6-8 months, then I guess you didn't adapt.
GB2WOW.
this is not about speed, its about the ability to ambush to evade to out wit somewhat with a fighting chance vs larger numbers!
You want the AB to not be affected by a web so you can come and go as you please in a fight.
Sounds like a speed issue to me. Or a whine, I get the 2 confused.
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Overseer Aliena
Originally by: OffBeaT
Originally by: Overseer Aliena So when they hit us with the speed change the common phrase at the time was adapt or die. Since you seem to be the first to whine about this in what, 6-8 months, then I guess you didn't adapt.
GB2WOW.
this is not about speed, its about the ability to ambush to evade to out wit somewhat with a fighting chance vs larger numbers!
You want the AB to not be affected by a web so you can come and go as you please in a fight.
Sounds like a speed issue to me. Or a whine, I get the 2 confused.
your not coming and going as you please. i told you in what a said it not a get out of jail card you still need to beat out the range to get to warp.. 20 to 3okm in a frig with cruisers or frigs shooting at you is a life time in eve, but it gives me a fighting chance vs blobs it also gives me the ability to single out a ship my own size next to a bs or cruiser with a better chance to engage proper!
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.05 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 22:20:26
Originally by: Overseer Aliena
Originally by: OffBeaT
Originally by: Overseer Aliena So when they hit us with the speed change the common phrase at the time was adapt or die. Since you seem to be the first to whine about this in what, 6-8 months, then I guess you didn't adapt.
GB2WOW.
this is not about speed, its about the ability to ambush to evade to out wit somewhat with a fighting chance vs larger numbers!
You want the AB to not be affected by a web so you can come and go as you please in a fight.
Sounds like a speed issue to me. Or a whine, I get the 2 confused.
you know your problem is your not a hunter or a guy always hunted out numberd so you don't understand attack risk vs too much risk. you are never alone in 00 these days. i cant sit in a safe spot my hole game waiting to get probed down, you are hunted as soon as your made in local. you have to attack fast and run fast.. hit and run is the way these days in eve. well, the running part is getting to be a problem vs attack ability. the AB needs to be more usful as a attack and evade kind of mod.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 23:37:00 -
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i prefer AB over MWD but as a standard fleet ship fitting requirement everyone has to fit the same to MWD it is ='(
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.06 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 05/05/2009 21:00:11 Trying to decipher this, and it's getting increasingly difficult, soooą Originally by: OffBeaT it needs to do to give a ship a fighting chance of braking off the attack
What you're looking for is a warp core stabilizer. They're already in the game and they've been beaten over the head with the nerf stick steam hammer.
It has received that treatment for a very good reason: "breaking off" should not be in the EVE dictionary. It is very bad for the game. If you commit to a fight, you commit to a fight. If it turns pear-shaped, then tough luck. Don't like it? Tough. Prepare better next time.
o0k.. point!
but we have this thing called ramming witch is a standerd form of attack in gate camping or combat..
a tactical with draw is a very prodint form of engaging and regrouping. its called hit and run, native history in combat vs being out numbered has prove this form of combat to be effective.
its called ambushing.. so it dose have a place in combat as a fighting tactic in eve, to be scrambled and webbed is a death move in its self for any larger ship vs smaller ship and gate frigs traping for fleet ambushes vs breakout attempt at close ranges.
anyway just script a scrambler and it don't matter how many stabs you got on dose it. a stab can delay a lock to jam but not aid you well when webbed with ramers coming at you.
anyway you have no real fitting ability and damage ability attacking with stabs on. its no benefit to use them in combat at all really.
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AtheistOfDoom
Amarr The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.05.06 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT
Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 05/05/2009 21:00:11 Trying to decipher this, and it's getting increasingly difficult, soooą Originally by: OffBeaT it needs to do to give a ship a fighting chance of braking off the attack
What you're looking for is a warp core stabilizer. They're already in the game and they've been beaten over the head with the nerf stick steam hammer.
It has received that treatment for a very good reason: "breaking off" should not be in the EVE dictionary. It is very bad for the game. If you commit to a fight, you commit to a fight. If it turns pear-shaped, then tough luck. Don't like it? Tough. Prepare better next time.
o0k.. point!
but we have this thing called ramming witch is a standerd form of attack in gate camping or combat..
a tactical with draw is a very prodint form of engaging and regrouping. its called hit and run, native history in combat vs being out numbered has prove this form of combat to be effective.
its called ambushing.. so it dose have a place in combat as a fighting tactic in eve, to be scrambled and webbed is a death move in its self for any larger ship vs smaller ship and gate frigs traping for fleet ambushes vs breakout attempt at close ranges.
anyway just script a scrambler and it don't matter how many stabs you got on dose it. a stab can delay a lock to jam but not aid you well when webbed with ramers coming at you.
anyway you have no real fitting ability and damage ability attacking with stabs on. its no benefit to use them in combat at all really.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT anyway you have no real fitting ability and damage ability attacking with stabs on. its no benefit to use them in combat at all really.
Exactly. What does that tell you about the philosophy towards being able to freely run away in EVE?
What you ask for doesn't belong here. Suck it up and adapt your tactics to the actual game — don't expect the game to adapt to your sucky tactics. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
OffBeaT
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:02:00 -
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like i said and been saying, AB's are for close range use. for them to work as i said would add for better combat and tactics. it would put ab's back on mod map as a tool to use for tight in fighting, ill just leave it at that.
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Nicyra
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT like i said and been saying, AB's are for close range use. for them to work as i said would add for better combat and tactics. it would put ab's back on mod map as a tool to use for tight in fighting, ill just leave it at that.
Alright offbeat. I'll give you your web-breaking AB. However, you have to warp to 15 instead of 0 in every ship, no matter what, no matter where. You also have to deal with motherships attacking you in .4, and blobs with dreadnoughts in .3.
The only thing in this game right now that I can think of that needs to be nerfed in terms of pirates are bubbles, IMO. I am a Khanid fighting for the Minmatar. I lurk in Minmatar channel. No, you cannot have my autograph.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT like i said and been saying, AB's are for close range use.
No. ABs are for cheap, easy, unscrammable movement. It is entirely your opinion/tactic to use them for close range combat. Your problem is that your opinion is largely unsupported and your choice tactic is poor.
Quote: for them to work as i said would add for better combat and tactics.
Not really. You'd still be slower than everyone else out there. You'd still be blobbed. You'd still die. This isn't a problem with the module, but with your choice of tactics.
Quote: it would put ab's back on mod map as a tool to use for tight in fighting
It already is — the web nerf and scram changes made sure of that. The problem is just that you're using them wrong.
Quote: ill just leave it at that.
…and that's why you're getting nowhere with your line of argument: because you have no line of argument. You only say "why doesn't it work like I want to?!" (while being repeatedly wrong about the mechanics involved) and present nothing to support your point of view or strengthen your case. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.05.06 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/05/2009 21:50:30
Originally by: Franga Your logic is pretty flawed and it also sounds like you want to be able to beat a blob solo in an AF.
From what I've read, it also sounds like you don't want to have to fit a scram. In addition to all this you've been condescending about how everyone else is doing it wrong. I think I've read that twice.
And seriously, is that hard to type 'ab' without another random letter in the middle?
afb, atb, abb
how is it flawed! i am in a close range attack frig/intersepeter..think on this ok.. think!
every mod i am using in my frig is made to attack close up the risk is high!. you don't use a ab for long range spurts vs a mwd do you. your ab is for short close in attacking namely where they are most effective using this way. even range weapons on frigs aren't really that on range. so, everyone uses a scrambler these days on frigs unless your going after bigger ships, right. forget a mwd on frig vs frig as the scrambler will just shut that down or some gate cruiser will just Sig better on me. a frigs attack range is no more then 25 to 30km under 10 to 14km if you wont to web or scramble someone, and jamming with ecm/damps work for **** under 14km in a fight, im not saying you cant but i wouldn't risk it vs a good tank setup myself at a close range in a fight. this i think is everything that the ab is about and how you need to use it close in as a ambush mod. so i would hope it would nil web effects as well so cruisers cant target me so easily or bs vs cruisers. it will bring back the ship to ship kind of pvp we or i mess so much. it dose not give a get out of jail card for free as i would still need to get out of warp jamming range to warp out and that could still be up to 10-24 to 30km to jump. fleets can be ambushed more proper close in. in fleet combat frigs deal with frigs cruisers to cruiser or bs. ships need a viable way out in close range combat if you need to. webs will still be used just fine as everyone is not gonna fit a ab and give up attack speed to jam a ship down. its a close range mod used for inside combat with a chance of escape..
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.06 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 06/05/2009 13:50:33 Edited by: OffBeaT on 06/05/2009 13:46:49
Quote: No. ABs are for cheap, easy, unscrammable movement. It is entirely your opinion/tactic to use them for close range combat. Your problem is that your opinion is largely unsupported and your choice tactic is poor.
Who cares if they are cheap to use, i would rather them be more useful a mod in combat. i don't see how you can think of AB's other then close range speed boosting. why would you use them for long range combat. I'm not gonna catch a ship past 30km with one on if he don't wont to be caught & he cant scramble/web me past 14km. the tactic for using them as a close range mod for ambushing is not poor. any range under 14-24km and i am jammed from warping out.
Quote: Not really. You'd still be slower than everyone else out there. You'd still be blobbed. You'd still die. This isn't a problem with the module, but with your choice of tactics.
i might be slower then anyone with a mwd and blobbed but i am harder to hit and still mobile i last longer for a better chance of a brake out then i would with a mwd on and scrambled. i am not saying one guy should attack blob gangs as a tactic anyway.
Quote: It already is ł the web Nerf and scram changes made sure of that. The problem is just that you're using them wrong.
OK.. ill give you that, but.. AB's are pretty weak vs webs and i feel they need to balance better ether make AB's stronger vs them with a interceptor/frig bonus to them or make webs just not effect ab's. any blob of ships would have plenty of time to gun you down web or not. you are still warp jammed just not immobile..
Quote: and that's why you're getting nowhere with your line of argument: because you have no line of argument. You only say "why doesn't it work like I want to?!" (while being repeatedly wrong about the mechanics involved) and present nothing to support your point of view or strengthen your case.
i don't know how you like to do combat but i like to see more ship to ship fighting not blob fire on one ship then run or stay. most fighting these days is long range or out blob. we need something that can keep a ship able to move tight in. some mods should of just never been put into the game like warp bubbles/webs.. using any short range weapon system under 24km your gonna get jammed or trapped it would be nice to have a mod to counter speed traps. webs should effect AB's allot less then mwd's.. ill give some on it, webs only do 1/2 vs AB's and full on Mwd's in damping speed.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.05.06 14:35:00 -
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Twice yesterday I met ABing AFs in my Caracal. Both times I just hit MWD, flew manually and waited for them to pop. Easy.
Then in the second fight I got tackled by a Sac with a MWD. I'd had plenty of time to get out, but I was about to take down another lolABing AF, and judged it worth the risk.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT i don't see how you can think of AB's other then close range speed boosting. why would you use them for long range combat.
That's because you have a very narrow (and, if I may say so, deeply flawed) view on what PvP entails. ABs are very handy on things such as Logistics ships to keep them in position — at range — in relation to all the combat ships buzzing around that they have to support. For them, the lower cap draw and (far) lower fitting reqs are also very nice since it means they can slap on bigger, better, more demanding remote mods to keep their friends going.
Quote: I'm not gonna catch a ship past 30km with one on if he don't wont to be caught & he cant scramble/web me past 14km. the tactic for using them as a close range mod for ambushing is not poor. any range under 14-24km and i am jammed from warping out.
Actually, you should count on being disrupted and webbed at anything below 70k; you should count on being scrammed at roughly 25km… Not everyone will, and certainly not all of it at once, but you should plan accordingly.
Quote: i might be slower then anyone with a mwd and blobbed but i am harder to hit
No. You will be very easy to hit because, since you're the slower party, you cannot control range or transversal, which means they will make sure they have a 100% hit chance on you…
Quote: using any short range weapon system under 24km your gonna get jammed or trapped it would be nice to have a mod to counter speed traps.
There is: ABs and MWDs counter webs. Scrams counter MWDs. ABs counter scrams. MWDs counter ABs. The problem you're seeing is just a result of everyone fitting every counter and counter-counter there is at the same time. Introducing a counter¦ won't change this fact — only make everyone fit the new mandatory setup and then we're back where we are right now.
You're looking for a way to stay mobile — aka a way to get out of a fight that is no longer going your way. You won't get it. People will make sure you stick around to make a nice killmail. Alternatively, look at it the other way: if you do get your evasion mod, guess what happens? Everyone will be fitting it; your targets escape; you will sill have no-one to give you the fights you're looking for.
Quote: i don't know how you like to do combat but i like to see more ship to ship fighting not blob fire on one ship then run or stay.
That's because you are looking for duels — they're just looking to kill you. If you want duels, you're looking in the wrong place (and quite possibly in the wrong game). ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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