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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.05.05 13:33:00 -
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But can we get an identifier on Blueprints to tell us if they're copies or originals.
Folks have suggested alternate colors. Folks have suggested tags on them with C or O like the little T2/T3 symbols.
these are "simple" changes, that I KNOW would take a LOT of manhours to implement. But it would be SO much easier then opening up every damned Blueprint JUST to see if it's a copy or an original. There must be some logical reason why you haven't done this before. Is there ANY chance of this being done?
I'm currently in the process of sorting through my corps BPO's/BPC's. With thousands of them to go through, this is a monstrous number of database calls JUST to see if it's a copy or an original.
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Fossil Wolf
omen. Gay4Life
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Posted - 2009.05.05 13:39:00 -
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although I DON'T have MUCH to do with bpo's or bpc's I SUPPORT this IDEA
Furthermore by continuing this discussion we detract from the real issue many of us are having with eve online, the lack of break between signature and post content. |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.05.05 13:43:00 -
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"Original Blueprint"?
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.05 13:44:00 -
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Doesn't it say "blueprint copy" or "blueprint original" in the description?
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Nakuda
Gallente Adventurers Matari Visionary Coalition
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Posted - 2009.05.05 13:48:00 -
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Yep, been asked many times. There are some technical reasons it hasn't been implemented... BPO and BPC Idea
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Avalon Champion
Gallente Defence Evaluation Research Agency
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Posted - 2009.05.05 13:57:00 -
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I know its been discussed quite a bit, and I agree that changing the Icon would cause issues.
However, surely a tool tip wouldnt cause that much additional overhead, or would it?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.05.05 14:02:00 -
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I see the finally removed the sticky on the thread in the idea forum. How long did it take for this to be asked again?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.05 14:02:00 -
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woah...nice Dev replies!
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Avalon Champion I know its been discussed quite a bit, and I agree that changing the Icon would cause issues.
However, surely a tool tip wouldnt cause that much additional overhead, or would it?
It would cause as much overhead as any other way of identifying the two. The problem isn't the graphics — it's getting the information out of the database, and that's what can't be done without bringing the server to its knees. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.05.05 14:03:00 -
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they know -- RaTTuS @ InEve, Capital Prints for sale |
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS they know
yup. But it still doesn't explain why they simply can't change the image color for a BPC instead of a BPO.
And yes, like the DEV said useing the S&I section works for general use, it DOESN'T help when you're sorting thousands of BPO's ships hangers, or corp hangers, or cans, or any number of other times when you need a simple visual clue to this.
And yes like was stated above by someone else, you CAN open it up and see if it's a copy/original, but that is NOT visable when you are looking at a hanger. You have to open hundreds of windows to look at each individual blueprint.
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Kiviar
Caldari Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cors
Originally by: RaTTuS they know
yup. But it still doesn't explain why they simply can't change the image color for a BPC instead of a BPO.
Actually it does explain it rather well.
I fully believe that if they wanted to they could fix the problem. but most likely a case of "too hard i don't wanna do that junk!" ---
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Cliffords Dad
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:56:00 -
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the way i see it, the code for the blueprints is completely broken
if your code is completely broken, you start again. we're paying enough money for it to be right the first time
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Zzzyxas
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Posted - 2009.05.05 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cliffords Dad the way i see it, the code for the blueprints is completely broken
if your code is completely broken, you start again. we're paying enough money for it to be right the first time
lol. You are paying money for the right to access their Server, nothing more. Try Reading the EULA you dumb ****.
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2009.05.05 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Mister Xerox on 05/05/2009 23:24:57
Originally by: Cors But can we get an identifier on Blueprints to tell us if they're copies or originals.
Since day 1. Originally by: Cors
Folks have suggested alternate colors. Folks have suggested tags on them with C or O like the little T2/T3 symbols.
these are "simple" changes, that I KNOW would take a LOT of manhours to implement.
Oh, no, it would not take very many man hours at all. It would only take one guy and a couple of days to create the module for this. The key is making the module clien side operating on a single DB query (when you open the location of the Blueprints). After the query, the local client adds a single layer mask to the blueprints... it could be as simple as a color change, or as complex as an overlay mask showing ME/PE/Runs.
But it could all be done, very easily, in very short time... but they're too interested in cranking out new content to dedicate even a single code jockey a day or a week to get it done.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 23:28:00 -
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it says in the info , if you brought it and didnt see such info then more fool you TBH.
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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tikiana
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Posted - 2009.05.06 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: tikiana on 06/05/2009 00:15:04 I wouldn't take that long to do and if you do it right you only need to do it once.
step 1: buy 2 cans name one BPO and the other BPC step 2: open hanger and both cans, sort the bpos and bpcs step 3: ?????? step 4: PROFIT
better still if you have a corp hanger, name one tab BPO another BPC then have various cans in them labeled ships, ammo, crap. sort them first into BPO and then BPC and then into each can. very easy to do and honestly wouldn't take nearly as long.
making this tread and *****ing about sorting BPs probable took longer
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.06 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 06/05/2009 00:50:49
ITT: Suicide ganker who is annoyed that he keeps getting ownd by smart haulers who seed a bait indy with a bunch of crappy bpc indstead of the valuable bpo. Instant targert call has to be made so the ganker pops his load prematurely then dies to concord and opens the route for the real cargo hauler.
Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Arkeladin
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Posted - 2009.05.06 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cors
Originally by: RaTTuS they know
yup. But it still doesn't explain why they simply can't change the image color for a BPC instead of a BPO.
And yes, like the DEV said useing the S&I section works for general use, it DOESN'T help when you're sorting thousands of BPO's ships hangers, or corp hangers, or cans, or any number of other times when you need a simple visual clue to this.
And yes like was stated above by someone else, you CAN open it up and see if it's a copy/original, but that is NOT visable when you are looking at a hanger. You have to open hundreds of windows to look at each individual blueprint.
Perhaps a silly idea, but why not use containers to keep your BPOs/BPCs organized?
You could even further categorize them if you wanted to...
And you could even do it without costing ANY development time or money (rendering out a second set of icons and updating the code internally to show the right ones costs both).
WHAT A CONCEPT!
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.05.06 02:30:00 -
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For those responding like I'm a noob who's just bought their first BPO, I'm talking about sorting about 5k BPO's/BPC's inter the hangers we have already named for capital BPO's, Rig BPO's, Mod BPO's and so on.
Anyways. I understand this isn't an "Easy" thing to fix, but it IS something folks have been asking for since day one. And it's one of the quality of life improvements that would simplify the life of many in the game. The fact it took me 2 hrs of "right click info" on 5k BPO's/BPC's is what initiated my interest in them changeing this. I know they have some "slack time" now that is being focused on much needed "adjustments/balance's", seeing all the changes in the Game Development forum.
I'd just like to see this as one of them.
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Krystal Engle
Amarr Phalanx Security Service Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 02:40:00 -
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I'll reveal a little secret that I'm sure heavy industrialists already know...
Right click in your "Items" window, select "Sort By -> Type". BPO's will either be the first, or the last blueprint item in each group. You merely have to scroll down, right click on the first or the last one and move it into a container/hanger. -- D a m n a t i o n FC Personal Stats |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.06 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Xerox Oh, no, it would not take very many man hours at all. It would only take one guy and a couple of days to create the module for this. The key is making the module clien side operating on a single DB query (when you open the location of the Blueprints). After the query, the local client adds a single layer mask to the blueprints... it could be as simple as a color change, or as complex as an overlay mask showing ME/PE/Runs.
But it could all be done, very easily, in very short time... but they're too interested in cranking out new content to dedicate even a single code jockey a day or a week to get it done.
It is always nice to see lay people give advice on how things really should be done, and we're bordering on dumb for not realizing how easy it would be to fix.
Especially when they completely miss what the real issue is here.
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Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar The Tal'Shiar
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Posted - 2009.05.06 05:10:00 -
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No thanks, rather have more BPOs to pick from --
Save the SEXY in EVE!
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Sjobba
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Posted - 2009.05.06 05:43:00 -
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For those of you deluded enough to think you know an easy fix for this that CCP has completely missed, read the dev responses in the threads they posted earlier!
Originally by: Cliffords Dad the way i see it, the code for the blueprints is completely broken
if your code is completely broken, you start again. we're paying enough money for it to be right the first time
It's a lot more complex that that. Read the threads they posted earlier. This is not "broken", this was designed this way specifically to ease the load on the databases.
Originally by: Mister Xerox Oh, no, it would not take very many man hours at all. It would only take one guy and a couple of days to create the module for this. The key is making the module clien side operating on a single DB query (when you open the location of the Blueprints). After the query, the local client adds a single layer mask to the blueprints... it could be as simple as a color change, or as complex as an overlay mask showing ME/PE/Runs.
But it could all be done, very easily, in very short time... but they're too interested in cranking out new content to dedicate even a single code jockey a day or a week to get it done.
The problem is not client side, or the actual modification to the icons. It's a server load problem, not a trivial client problem. (If that were the case, this would probably have been fixed back in 2003)
However you cut it, using the current database, any solution that would allow you to differentiate between BPCs and BPOs in the inventory would put to much unnecessary stress on the databases.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: tikiana Edited by: tikiana on 06/05/2009 00:15:04 I wouldn't take that long to do and if you do it right you only need to do it once.
step 1: buy 2 cans name one BPO and the other BPC step 2: open hanger and both cans, sort the bpos and bpcs step 3: ?????? step 4: PROFIT
better still if you have a corp hanger, name one tab BPO another BPC then have various cans in them labeled ships, ammo, crap. sort them first into BPO and then BPC and then into each can. very easy to do and honestly wouldn't take nearly as long.
making this tread and *****ing about sorting BPs probable took longer
Apparently you never did invention and similar stuff.
- You want to remotely start and finish jobs. You can't do that with BPO/BPC's in cans. - Each time you run copy jobs, the BPO's and BPC's are dumped in the same hangar, requiring you to sort them after again each job. ____
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Sleepkevert
Amarr Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.05.06 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Xerox Oh, no, it would not take very many man hours at all. It would only take one guy and a couple of days to create the module for this. The key is making the module clien side operating on a single DB query (when you open the location of the Blueprints). After the query, the local client adds a single layer mask to the blueprints... it could be as simple as a color change, or as complex as an overlay mask showing ME/PE/Runs.
But it could all be done, very easily, in very short time... but they're too interested in cranking out new content to dedicate even a single code jockey a day or a week to get it done.
ITT: People pretending to know the EVE codebase better then the devs.
As said, people have been suggesting this since day one, and the devs have been saying since day one that it isn't possible performance wise. Take their word for it or start working at CCP. _
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