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Owl Algernon
Caldari The Starving Hearts of Darkness
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:10:00 -
[91]
Let the jealous, angry kids keep posting!
I shall sit back and enjoy myself.
As you were.
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LoLLeRzBlAdEz
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:14:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Owl Algernon Let the jealous, angry kids keep posting!
I shall sit back and enjoy myself.
As you were.
Yes, we are so jealous you have imaginary money in a video game :) Too bad it isn't worth anything in the real world
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Weight What
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Owl Algernon Let the jealous, angry kids keep posting!
I shall sit back and enjoy myself.
As you were.
The only angry kid is your kid, having to put up with such an insufferable bore for a father.
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Jukhta Mein
Thunderbolts
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:28:00 -
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I'm a small fish. I'm not educated. I'm motivated to overtake such an idiotic big fish. Thanks for the motivation.
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Owl Algernon
Caldari The Starving Hearts of Darkness
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:37:00 -
[95]
Struck. A. Nerve.
Look at all the repeat posters who just keep coming back and providing me with this vitriol and namecalling!
This is going to be another slow day, so please keep up the lack of self-control and continue the public humiliation for my entertainment!
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Rubius Caesar
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Posted - 2009.05.06 18:02:00 -
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Let me summarize what I read coming from the OP:
"Well guys, I've hit the point where nothing I want is beyond me. I spend about an hour a day checking market orders (note: a person who says "an hour a day" probably spends closer to 2 hours a day, but tells themselves it's less) and I'm really, really rich. I'm so rich I don't really want to buy anything anymore, so I go after super-expensive T2 BPO's."
"No, it's not sad that I want MORE T2 blueprints. It's okay for them to return less profit than trading because they're low-maintenance. (note: T2 production is not what I call "low maintenance." I personally call nothing but datacore research "low-maintenance") The profit they return also isn't that low, because I scour the market looking for the good ones and how to exploit them. (note: this counts as maintenance in my book.)"
"So yeah, my T2 production income is really all I need. And since I've hit the point where getting more ISK is starting to sound hollow and pointless to me, I found a hobby for spending it! Rather than rise in EVE by expanding or even just continuing my own market efforts, I think it'll be fun to try pushing everyone else down."
"SO! Don't decide that the market is a valid way to make money. It was for me, because I worked hard at it. (note: the amount of effort you spent is inversely proportional to how old you think the characters you're talking to are) But it's not gonna work for you, you're too late. If any single one of you crosses me, I shall use the lightning bolt emmitters in my eyes and make your 'trade or not to trade' decision for you. Nobody in the market can have more fun than me, and right now EVE is starting to not be fun for me so that's just too bad for all of you!"
It is my hope that you can start having fun again, whether in EVE or elsewhere. The first step is to acknowledge that what you are doing should not be fun for a healthy human mind.
http://xkcd.com/481/
(final note: put in a Sci-fi movie with your son, pick a ship or vehicle, and try to replicate it with legos. You will never have had more fun than that afternoon, and you will never have as much fun again. I'm serious, try it.)
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Anson Hoffmanta
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Posted - 2009.05.06 18:25:00 -
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Hmm *scratches head*.
Got to the 100 mill mark today, after recently returning to the game and trying my hand at the markets its turned out pretty well. However, upon reading the op's post, I will now cease trading or attempting to update orders and research the market as so many eve traders tend to do.
Wait! I don't think I will, I think that's because the OP has revealed to me that instead of being a highly liquid hardball playing market domineer, he is (even if he is one at that)a tired burned out "big fish" that has revealingly resorted to insecure look-at-me posts which seems to me like his games up. Whatever the case is, I don't think any eve trader is going to care what the op thinks - that's the way of the internet. The only result from this post is an amusing look at "that" type of mmorpg player. But I think most people have seen enough of those, and would rather get back to making money.
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Happy Lady
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Posted - 2009.05.06 20:07:00 -
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I'm only in grade 5 and already I know what you're saying doesn't make sense.
Everything has a cost, and you seem to be willing to pay huge costs for almost a negative value.
Even I know there are better things in life than adjusting orders all day, and buying blueprints with more money than donald trump has.
I guess if doing things with huge cost and almost negative return make your flag stand high in your pants then you're set.
??????????
I'm going to go do something useful, like cutting my lawn with scissors.
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SencneS
Amarr Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.05.06 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Owl Algernon I shall sit back and enjoy myself.
Please, no, stop, not in front of your sick child, someone should call child services on this poor excuse for a father.
As for the rest of the manure you've been spewing in here let me say...
I've been sitting back and laughing hysterically at your deluded belief you're significant in any way.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.05.06 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS
Please, no, stop, not in front of your sick child, someone should call child services on this poor excuse for a father.
Then how else will we get our next generation of forum trolls that crave attention because daddy never gave it? |
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Dr Silkworth
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Posted - 2009.05.06 21:05:00 -
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As I read this post I fingered the lone lump of megacyte in my pocket and looked over my shoulders as I tried to slip under the radar and buy another one. A few more would keep me in antimatter for the cold dark night ahead. All my belongings were back at some ugly old ladies gate camp. The toil of a months mining and scavenging for low priced ammo floating down from space had disappeared in an instant, My gut still quivered and my biceps twitched in an aperiodic timing. One trit and a noob ship! dumped between hostile systems, mining would have to wait till dusk. As big Fish circled round local the old defiant will to win again raised its head only to be struck hopeless by the Big Fish. In tumultous agony I realized I may Never again recapture the great moments of the past. There was an insistent yearning to enjoy life as we once did and a heartbreaking obsession that some new miracle of control would enable us to do it. Slowly as I realized I was becoming the subject of King FISH, a shivering denizen of his mad realm, the chilling vapor that is loneliness settled down. It thickened, ever becoming blacker.
In anguish I sought out sordid places, exotic dancers and quafe hoping to find understanding companionship and approval. Momentarily I would and then came oblivion and an awful awakening to face King Fish's hideous Four Horsemen - Terror, Bewilderment, Frustration, Despair.
All around darkness crowded out the fresh light of another day, I had missed my chance but today will be different I vow. Already it was... The enemy had a name.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.06 21:54:00 -
[102]
While reading this thread will be fun at a later date, I just want to say that if you are someone who tries at the market (as you indicated) are worth as much as you said (in the OP) and are an '03 character, you sir are terrible at what you do.
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Ulstan
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:03:00 -
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Let me get this right:
All I have to do is throw up a tiny pittance of isk to fund orders of 20 to 30 units, 0.01 you a few times, and this will cause you to blow a gasket in e-rage, flush orders of magnitude more isk down the brokers fees hole, and then sell thousands of units at a loss?
Tell me which regions you 'trade' in! This sounds like fun.
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Ulstan
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 06/05/2009 22:24:54 Edited by: Ulstan on 06/05/2009 22:23:48
Originally by: Evthron Macyntire
So you run your own store and Wal-mart moves in and sells at a loss to force you out of the market so they can retain their monopoly. Kinda like what the OP is doing with these small fishes.
I'd also like to point out this really doesn't work. You can't really bankrupt someone in EVE like you can in real life. The barriers to entry for starting up a business IRL are steep. As are the costs of maintaining one.
Getting in and out of markets in EVE is trivially easy by comparison. If there is profit to be made, jump in. If someone drives the price to the point it's no longer profitable, simply leave your orders as they are. You really lose...nothing, provided you have enough isk and order slots.
You can let some guy sell at a loss for an entire year and then the *instant* he adjusts his prices so that there is profit to be made, you can jump right back in.
I don't know that there's a way to permanently get rid of a competitor who can accept a margin as small as you can. You can drive him off my making it unproftitable to be in that particular market, but there's nothing forcing him to stay out once it's profitable again.
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Evthron Macyntire
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: Evthron Macyntire on 06/05/2009 22:26:24
Originally by: Isaac Swift Edited by: Isaac Swift on 06/05/2009 05:46:48
Originally by: Evthron Macyntire Please disregard this post. I am about to make myself look like a dillweed.
No. No, the MD elite is not "quivering", and it's certainly not because the OP is telling them how play. Their reactions are from the fact that the OP is acting like an insufferable douchebag, stroking his e-peen and generally being a (successful) troll.
He's doing a fine job of looking like a fool on his own, no need to join him.
But I thoroughly enjoy this thread. Watching the MD "elite" quiver because a successful nobody is telling them how he likes to play. Can't have that can we? My way or the highway.
Watching the MD "elite" quiver because a successful nobody is telling them how he likes to play. Can't have that can we? My way or the highway.
Watching the MD "elite" quiver because a successful nobody is telling them how he likes to play.
successful nobody is telling them how he likes to play
he likes to play
Saying how he likes to play is the same as telling you how to play?
Gotcha, don't be such a garlic (SEE WHAT I DID THAr?) ------------------------------ Sigs like this. |
Ad Valorem
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Silkworth As I read this post I fingered the lone lump of megacyte in my pocket and looked over my shoulders as I tried to slip under the radar and buy another one. A few more would keep me in antimatter for the cold dark night ahead. All my belongings were back at some ugly old ladies gate camp. The toil of a months mining and scavenging for low priced ammo floating down from space had disappeared in an instant, My gut still quivered and my biceps twitched in an aperiodic timing. One trit and a noob ship! dumped between hostile systems, mining would have to wait till dusk. As big Fish circled round local the old defiant will to win again raised its head only to be struck hopeless by the Big Fish. In tumultous agony I realized I may Never again recapture the great moments of the past. There was an insistent yearning to enjoy life as we once did and a heartbreaking obsession that some new miracle of control would enable us to do it. Slowly as I realized I was becoming the subject of King FISH, a shivering denizen of his mad realm, the chilling vapor that is loneliness settled down. It thickened, ever becoming blacker.
In anguish I sought out sordid places, exotic dancers and quafe hoping to find understanding companionship and approval. Momentarily I would and then came oblivion and an awful awakening to face King Fish's hideous Four Horsemen - Terror, Bewilderment, Frustration, Despair.
All around darkness crowded out the fresh light of another day, I had missed my chance but today will be different I vow. Already it was... The enemy had a name.
9/10 tbh and would read again, better than some of the ccp produced stuff and makes the whole thrad worthwhile |
Evthron Macyntire
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan Edited by: Ulstan on 06/05/2009 22:24:54 Edited by: Ulstan on 06/05/2009 22:23:48
Originally by: Evthron Macyntire
So you run your own store and Wal-mart moves in and sells at a loss to force you out of the market so they can retain their monopoly. Kinda like what the OP is doing with these small fishes.
I'd also like to point out this really doesn't work. You can't really bankrupt someone in EVE like you can in real life. The barriers to entry for starting up a business IRL are steep. As are the costs of maintaining one.
Getting in and out of markets in EVE is trivially easy by comparison. If there is profit to be made, jump in. If someone drives the price to the point it's no longer profitable, simply leave your orders as they are. You really lose...nothing, provided you have enough isk and order slots.
You can let some guy sell at a loss for an entire year and then the *instant* he adjusts his prices so that there is profit to be made, you can jump right back in.
I don't know that there's a way to permanently get rid of a competitor who can accept a margin as small as you can. You can drive him off my making it unproftitable to be in that particular market, but there's nothing forcing him to stay out once it's profitable again.
Yes real life and EvE are different, but they still mirror each other in certain ways. Going up against a "Wal-Mart" in EvE won't cause you any real long term problems, but the principle is the same as in real life. You are wasting your time and money trying to break into a market you won't be able to have a long lasting effect in, because you are a small fish remember, while the big fish will happily sell at a loss to see you go somewhere else. Makes his day more interesting?
I guess in your quote of me I had it reversed, Wal-mart didn't move in, you moved opened a store beside wal-mart, and so forth... ------------------------------ Sigs like this. |
Ulstan
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 06/05/2009 22:40:57 Well, but who really cares about 'breaking into' a market that is unprofitable?
There are many traders who just shift around by correctly anticipating surges in demand, they aren't tied specifically to any one 'market' per se.
If one area of the market is unprofitable, won't people simply invest their ISK in another? I mean, most market traders are driven to make a profit by any means possible, aren't they? As opposed to picking a specific module and making some sort of long lasting effect there.
You can drive them away temporarily by selling at a loss, but that's hardly a long term strategy and there's nothing to keep them from coming back the moment you stop selling at a loss.
At least, in empire. It could be different in areas with actual logistical difficulties to getting goods in/out.
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2009.05.06 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jinx Barker on 06/05/2009 23:00:38 I confirm: I am the 'small fish' in the OP.
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RhajKa
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.05.06 23:56:00 -
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Just started playing the market in the last two weeks on what was a pretty basic account - a small fish blah blah blah etc - only got a dozen or so BPo's that I am using - found a nice little 'jump' base between two empire regions and am selling aprox 7milisk of items a day of which 30-60% is profit - I find mining boring so I actually buy all my minerals in to do the manufacturing with - so basically I am enjoying myself, being successful (in my eyes) being able to buy the skill books I need at the mo' and basically don't feel intimidated by the 'big fish'monitoring my orders twice a day usually in the evenings - so I find the OP quite bemusing and interesting to read.
- I get the impression that the OP is just getting a mighty P**** off with lots of small fish forcing him to log on 4+ times a day to monitor his gazillion orders and wishes that they would just b**** off and leave the 'bigs boys' in charge - sounds like the work load might be getting to him? - lol quite funny and pretty immature - and if it isn't that then it is just vanity vanity vanity - all is vanity.
Rhajka
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente Futuristic Sex Robots
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Posted - 2009.05.07 01:10:00 -
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HaHaHa, you guys are all wrong and raging! Rage some more! I am all powerful! Look at me, I dominate newbies!
ps I'm still gonna post on my alt cuz I'm scurred
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Ronaldo Carrare
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Posted - 2009.05.07 12:06:00 -
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Hi, I'm the small fish in the big pond. And as a small fish I tell you that there's nothing a big fish like you can do to stop me from eating my share. It's a big pond and it doesn't matter how big you think you are, you're still tiny in this ocean. And there's nothing a big fish can stop me from growing. You can try, but in the end it will be a power of wills and I bet I can update my orders a lot more than you are. Plus, I am a lot more mobile than you. Seeing you are a TRUE PVP'er and p. rich, you'll prolly get really frustrated/bored with me and you'll have to admit that you're a pretty impotent big fish.
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Grozen
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.05.07 13:23:00 -
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I managed to make 750m in 10mins on the market so my ego is bigger then yours.I don't see the point of your topic but i had quite alot fun reading it. knowledge is power |
Jotobar
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Posted - 2009.05.07 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Owl Algernon So, as a word of warning to those of you running the market who don't have the wallet or the tenacity to swim with the big fish - run missions for cash, or mine, or whatever you normally do, because playing the market requires some moxie and a decent wallet to back it up.
not really, sure making some of the more aggressive moves requires a bit more but sticking to the basics it hasn't even been all that hard competing in one of the most aggressive markets with a modest budget. I'm pretty sure your small fish is taking advantage of you in some way even if they/you are not aware of it themself but that's just a guess (could be an hint!). Thanks for the insight though it would really explain some market behaviour I haven't been able to figure out.
good luck with your further endevours and remember to hold on to some sense of perspective.
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Calpurrnia
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Posted - 2009.05.07 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Calpurrnia on 07/05/2009 14:39:46
Originally by: Owl Algernon
I own several t2 BPOs, and have been trading and running the market since '03. I have about 25 bill liquid, and probably 200 bill in BPOs. Between three characters I run nearly 900 orders (305 on two characters), from backwater regions to hubs, cheap items to jump freighters. I'll work any portion of the market for a profit.
You don't get out much, do you, sweetie?
It's "okay", Owl. Napoleon was microphallic, too, and look how much he accomplished in the real world.
xoxoxox
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Phoenix Pryde
Caldari 3-I Area 42
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Posted - 2009.05.07 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Phoenix Pryde on 07/05/2009 15:40:57 Hehe, MD just always provides some funny reads ... well, although some parts probably should be more worrisome than laughable i guess
P.S: dang, and also a slight bruise to my ego for having done the unthinkable of having bought a few T2 BPOs not too long ago
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Corpia Sin
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Posted - 2009.05.07 15:49:00 -
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to the OP - there is always a bigger fish.
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Owl Algernon
Caldari The Starving Hearts of Darkness
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Posted - 2009.05.07 16:36:00 -
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Hahahaha! What an amazing display of bitterness and jealousy. I didn't even have time to check this thread most of yesterday. Glad kids are still bumping it!
Dance my puppets. Dance!
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Black Mack
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Posted - 2009.05.07 16:45:00 -
[119]
I think I understand it, now. Owl is a roleplayer, acting as the maniacal trade baron! It makes sense out of everything...
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Calpurrnia
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Posted - 2009.05.07 17:04:00 -
[120]
RP'ing? In EVE ? ! ? ! ?
Say it isn't so...
xoxo
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