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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.07 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: CaptainAttitude I guess it's a good thing we went from 5 regions to 2 when we moved to Delve then, huh? Also, I'm pretty sure Sun Tzu was actually thinking of internet spaceship games when he wrote his book. That man was seriously ahead of his time!
Sun Tzu probably didn't exist. The book is more of a collection of military anecdotes than actual warfare tactics, most likely collected over a long period of time.
Delve/Querious/PB are far more profitable and easier to defend than GS's previous Sov holdings. That's largely why BOB were so disliked - it was widely regarded that they had the best space. ________________________________________________
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.07 20:58:00 -
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from how i see it AAA is looking like the most agressing allance out there! RA looks nasty, xXDeathXx is sitting sweet as well.
Goon takes out tangra & pandemic then they well be killer.
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Thanks4Isk
Minmatar Times Up.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Fox Ogmo Goon alt spotted
I am definatly NOT a goon alt. I'm hoping people wake up and realize Goons are the new BoB and do something about it.
And here are two very nice writeups that deserve to be restated:
Originally by: Doctor Penguin Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 07/05/2009 16:07:54 There is a theoretical issue, in that the NC, RED, GS, PL (ie all the really big alliances that make up Goon's NAP list) can drop onto your door as soon as you shoot one of them or your pets. That doesn't actually happen. In reality, the defending side generally pulls in more and more friends (of all shapes and sizes, and not all at once) until they win. Aggro got beaten out of WC thanks to friends coming in to help as an example.
It gets to a point where, because everyone is all friends with each other or at least willing to go kill stuff in a NAPed alliance's space, it gets hard for space to be conquered by a non-established power. There are two reasons for this:
1) The Sov warfare mechanics are the only mechanics in the game that favour the defence side. POS bashing is a lot easier for the defense than the offense, because the offense cannot replenish their ships as easily.
2) Space is a precious resource. If an alliance loses their space, they lose everything.
The solution to the former is to find an alternative to POS fights to settle sov disputes. The solution to the latter is FAR more space, or space being far harder to control.
Originally by: Cors The funny thing is that sometime in the future, one of a few things is going to happen.
One..
The rest of eve is going to see delve as "secured" by Goons and friends. Then all the major alliance's/coalitions that are helping them will decide the fight is over, and go home. Then petty politics will rear it's head all over and the support in delve that goons had will be gone... And Kenny will strike.
Or two...
Kenny will realize they need to take out goons, and take the time to infiltrate Goonswarm. They'll bide their time and get into a position where they can do REAL damage to goons on multiple fronts. Split goons from the inside. It's one of the few ways to kill an alliance of this size. You need to attack the base structure that is goons. They've shown that they are able to change individual people at the top with minimal churn chaos. Get people into positions of authority and commit small acts that destroy their relationship with others. Slowly alienate the goons from the rest of their allies. Create splits in thinking inside goon leadership. Widen gaps in already existing personel conflicts. Do just what goons do to others.
Or three..
The rest of eve is going to realize that goons are a greater threat then BOB ever was. Bob came out, did a full frontal attack on a region/alliance/coalition, then turtled up for a few months. Rinse repeat. They very rarely held the space they took for long periods. Goons on the other had want to destroy eve for all.
Personally I'd rather have an opponent who wants good fights, then the one who wants to destroy my pleasure in playing.
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Korerin Mayul
Amarr The R.I.T.U.A.L Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:25:00 -
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i for one, bow to our new honey-producing overlords.
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Venda Karn
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:27:00 -
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I heard bees were in mysterious decline.
Space drama's have longevity if anything. A long time ago... queue <"Main Title/Rebel Blockade">
Thinking of the mini-soaps that occur in-game and the forums, I feel these are better (taken more serious? more elaborate? accidental?) then what I experience in other games. I'm keyed to see how it progresses (ends?), as other posters have said...
"Empires rise and fall." It's captivating to watch and play your part, small or not. What's interesting is seeing things like this happening in a game!
EVE Online - now accepting applications for out of work Soap actors.
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Anne Cormache
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Anne Cormache on 08/05/2009 17:25:23
Originally by: Venda Karn I heard bees were in mysterious decline.
Sorry, newb here... Why are Goonies called "bees"?? I get the "kenny" thing, but "bees" baffles me...
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Idocrase
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:38:00 -
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Dunno. Because they swarm like bees or some stupid crap?
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 08/05/2009 17:41:45 Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 08/05/2009 17:40:52 GoonSwarm's logo is a fat bee with a tin helmet and a cigar. (I'm not 100% sure on this, but I also believe it is GoonFleet's logo.)
It's a very silly logo.
In addition, they use bee-like swarm tactics in MMOs, because the standard fact is that in all warfare the chappy who brings three times as many mates to the fight generally wins (ignoring stupidity and the defensive structures of the place the swarm is attacking, the latter being the major reason GS only took BoB's space when 60% of that defense was switched off.) ________________________________________________
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Atropos Kahn
Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:47:00 -
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Never... Havn't you ever read Yeats!
THE SECOND COMING
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand; A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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