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Thanks4Isk
Minmatar Times Up.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 02:31:00 -
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It now seems pretty apparent that as far as the politics of 0.0 space in Eve... That Eve has been won: by the Gooney Gasbag coalition. All that is left is the mopping up.
What leads me to say this? Read The Mittani's own words to see that the goons now have enough influence in 0.0 space that if any Alliance gets out of lineā they call on past friends who have created other Alliances which have prosperedā as well as allies they have worked with in the past to crush their dreams.
The other thing the Goons have done is to effectively use spies to infiltrate most likely and upcoming Alliance's in order to get one or more alts into a leadership position so if that Alliance becomes a problemā they can steal, rob or completely destroy said Alliance with a simple click of the mouse. (No doubt every Goon is encouraged when they join that they must get one or more alts into other corps for future espionage use)
They have become what they hated most about BOB: Boasting Gasbags. Unfortunately the air they expel is usually toxic to their enemies.
No I am no fan of the Goons. I think is it time for other Alliances to join with -A- or even the remnants of BOB to take down the Goons.
Or just admit the truth: You are Goon Pets or live at their pleasure.
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.07 02:44:00 -
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Wrong forum, this belongs in CAOD and/or whatever folder you use to dump posts you considered making but sobered up the following day and reeled at aka the Recycle Bin.
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Thanks4Isk
Minmatar Times Up.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist Wrong forum, this belongs in CAOD ...
I tried and CCP will not let one man corps post there.
This statement ... from the guy who owned Arenis Xemdal and while a corp member stole billions of isk from that corp?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:05:00 -
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Hello mister "Internal Power Struggle". Meet miss "Forgot History". Let's take a seat in the "Doomed to Repeat it" pub.
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Thanks4Isk
Minmatar Times Up.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Let's take a seat in the "Doomed to Repeat it" pub.
If you mean.... Goons will soon suffer the same fate as BOB... One could only hope!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:10:00 -
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Even bees get bored. If they were human. Or something. Where were we anyway ? Oh, yeah, right before the lock.
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Santiago Fahahrri on 07/05/2009 03:13:57 Over-expansion has lead to the fall of every major "empire" in human history. Eve alliances so far have not shown an ability to break this trend.
I wouldn't worry about it.
The little, non-alliance corp I'm in does pretty much whatever we want in any 0.0 region we want. "Control" is a strong word for what the alliances have. If it's outside the gun range of the POS or the blob, they have no control of it. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
Tag Heuer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Thanks4Isk ... All that is left is the mopping up.
...
Dibs on salvage, plz!
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:22:00 -
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So mittens has been reduced to alt poasting on the GD now? He get banned or something?
Also: This hardly looks like Eve has been won by the Goonies. If anything we will see if they really are a top alliance and can hold on to Delve for an appreciable amount of time. Well good thing they have some real pvp member corps so it might turn out to be fun to watch unlike the boring bob vs goon war that only ended when a bob member went emo over lack of attention and dissolved all the sov in the ultimate /wrist evah.
Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Elohe
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:23:00 -
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I will **** on your cherios |
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Thanks4Isk
Minmatar Times Up.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba This hardly looks like Eve has been won by the Goonies...
No you missed my point.
This is not about holding space in Eve. This is about controling which Alliance lives and which dies. Who is allowed to have space... and who will be ganged up on and crushed if you step out of line.
This is all about POLITICAL influence/control and not about holding space.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Thanks4Isk
Originally by: Zeba This hardly looks like Eve has been won by the Goonies...
No you missed my point.
This is not about holding space in Eve. This is about controling which Alliance lives and which dies. Who is allowed to have space... and who will be ganged up on and crushed if you step out of line.
This is all about POLITICAL influence/control and not about holding space.
So this is a mittens alt poast. If they really think that what I just quoted is true then oooooohboy is it gonna be fun in Delve in the near future.
Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Gun Gal
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:40:00 -
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hey goon alt.
nice try.
you guys still suck, and by the volume of your denials and protestations of greatness we can measure the loss of your space.
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Cat Molina
Minmatar Intransigent
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Thanks4Isk
This is not about holding space in Eve. This is about controling which Alliance lives and which dies. [...] This is all about POLITICAL influence/control and not about holding space.
This is about people who care about territorial wars!!!!
And you won't find many of them here.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Even bees get bored. If they were human. Or something. Where were we anyway ? Oh, yeah, right before the lock.
Yeah sorry I'm late, had to attend to another thread.
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: THE L0CK
Originally by: Akita T Even bees get bored. If they were human. Or something. Where were we anyway ? Oh, yeah, right before the lock.
Yeah sorry I'm late, had to attend to another thread.
I knew someone was going to make that. I probably should've before you.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: THE L0CK
Originally by: Akita T Even bees get bored. If they were human. Or something. Where were we anyway ? Oh, yeah, right before the lock.
Yeah sorry I'm late, had to attend to another thread.
/thread
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.05.07 03:57:00 -
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Goons earned their position in 0.0 by being determined, sneaky bastards. Quit whining. -- Eventus stultorum magister. |
Mista Sexamalicious
Sexa Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.07 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: Mista Sexamalicious on 07/05/2009 04:03:03
Originally by: Thanks4Isk
Originally by: DigitalCommunist Wrong forum, this belongs in CAOD ...
I tried and CCP will not let one man corps post there.
This statement ... from the guy who owned Arenis Xemdal and while a corp member stole billions of isk from that corp?
Are you fk'n serious? If you cant get it into CAOD with this **** then try OOPE. But for FFS Listen to your elders ^^ .... You are in the Wrong forum.... ________________________________________________________
Real Men don't use Local.
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Dracoknight
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Posted - 2009.05.07 04:17:00 -
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Not only wrong forum, also clueless... Goons arent the only alliance with spies.
and bob isnt dead, they just cant use the old name because someone stole it under the last incident... ____________________
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Taedrin
Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.05.07 04:19:00 -
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The larger the area you control, the harder it is to defend it properly. All that needs to happen is someone with a sizable force learns how to use actual strategy in this game. Sun Tzu's Art of War is good for more than just quoting from, after all.
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Mista Sexamalicious
Sexa Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.07 04:23:00 -
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Begins his count down, to his Pschotic TEA BAGGING FRENZIE. ________________________________________________________
Real Men don't use Local.
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Marcellus Corteaz
Alt Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.07 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin Sun Tzu's Art of War is good for more than just quoting from, after all.
You're right. It's good for making fun of people who use it to justify actions in an internet spaceship game.
~sun tsu
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Marcellus Corteaz
Alt Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.07 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Marcellus Corteaz on 07/05/2009 04:43:19 Eve-O in a forum code fail non-shocker.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.05.07 04:47:00 -
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The good news is that Goonies are a helpful bunch and will let people into their space for only a nominal fee that will be dutifully repaid after they do a short background check on a new applicant.
Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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Whineroy
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Posted - 2009.05.07 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn Goons earned their position in 0.0 by being no-life losers who have nothing to do except to focus on trying to be big and bad in an online game. Quit whining.
There, corrected it for you. The above truth can be easily confirmed by checking some of the bullsh*t that Goons post at CAOD (and that CCP, for one reason or another, doesn't moderate even though some of it is blatantly EULA- breaking stuff. Ah well, enough accounts and you can ignore EULA, like everyone knows)
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.07 05:37:00 -
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If you would have read that stuff from mittani correctly, you would have known this was done because they dont have total control of 0.0, they wanted to be free in the war against AAA/kennie. And after kennie has been completely neutralized, they may take on AAA, or maybe not. If they do they stay allied for longer, but when the war ends, also the coalition will end and they will attack each other.
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Verx Interis
Amarr Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.07 05:41:00 -
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BoB's fault anyway.. If they hadn't made 85% of Eve hate them, all these groups wouldn't be allied. Protip: getting everyone else angry at you is pretty much always a bad idea. ---- Logins required for this post: 153059 |
Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.07 05:53:00 -
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Edited by: Shadowsword on 07/05/2009 05:56:48
Originally by: Thanks4Isk It now seems pretty apparent that as far as the politics of 0.0 space in Eve... That Eve has been won: by the Gooney Gasbag coalition. All that is left is the mopping up.
What leads me to say this? Read The Mittani's own words to see that the goons now have enough influence in 0.0 space that if any Alliance gets out of lineā they call on past friends who have created other Alliances which have prosperedā as well as allies they have worked with in the past to crush their dreams.
The other thing the Goons have done is to effectively use spies to infiltrate most likely and upcoming Alliance's in order to get one or more alts into a leadership position so if that Alliance becomes a problemā they can steal, rob or completely destroy said Alliance with a simple click of the mouse. (No doubt every Goon is encouraged when they join that they must get one or more alts into other corps for future espionage use)
They have become what they hated most about BOB: Boasting Gasbags. Unfortunately the air they expel is usually toxic to their enemies.
No I am no fan of the Goons. I think is it time for other Alliances to join with -A- or even the remnants of BOB to take down the Goons.
Or just admit the truth: You are Goon Pets or live at their pleasure.
Hello, angry IRC/ED alt.
You should try thinking a bit more...
When you launched an attack on RA, you threatened it's support to legion of death on the Great War's east front. Like Mittani explained, it could have done seriously Bad Things in the war against Bob.
I have nothing against IRC or ED, but if you threaten our efforts, even indirectly, why should we keep you blue?
Maybe that's why Mittani was able to convince others to reset you, eh?
When Bob and it's allies are well and truly gone, the coalition will break up. It's inevitable. We log to participate in conflicts, not play kitty online. ------------------------------------------
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.07 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Verx Interis BoB's fault anyway.. If they hadn't made 85% of Eve hate them, all these groups wouldn't be allied. Protip: getting everyone else angry at you is pretty much always a bad idea.
Indeed. Goons are the new Bob.
Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Capn' Krunch
Gallente Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 06:33:00 -
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???
I find the lack of goon posts in this thread extremely suspicious...
/tinfol >-------------------------------------------------< Asteroids are my breakfast cereal. |
Drakoulia
Caldari The Night Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.07 06:42:00 -
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Edited by: Drakoulia on 07/05/2009 06:43:23 Goons are exploding from CAOD again, but this time it's different, scarier. This time the goons have non goon toons.
[Edit: I made myself look like a goon too, I'm not.] ---
Originally by: The Mittani Don't touch that! Don't open the refrigerator! The spy is in the refrigerator!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Thanks4Isk It now seems pretty apparent that as far as the politics of 0.0 space in Eve... That Eve has been won: by the Gooney Gasbag coalition. All that is left is the mopping up.
What leads me to say this? Read The Mittani's own words to see that the goons now have enough influence in 0.0 space that if any Alliance gets out of lineā they call on past friends who have created other Alliances which have prosperedā as well as allies they have worked with in the past to crush their dreams.
The other thing the Goons have done is to effectively use spies to infiltrate most likely and upcoming Alliance's in order to get one or more alts into a leadership position so if that Alliance becomes a problemā they can steal, rob or completely destroy said Alliance with a simple click of the mouse. (No doubt every Goon is encouraged when they join that they must get one or more alts into other corps for future espionage use)
They have become what they hated most about BOB: Boasting Gasbags. Unfortunately the air they expel is usually toxic to their enemies.
No I am no fan of the Goons. I think is it time for other Alliances to join with -A- or even the remnants of BOB to take down the Goons.
Or just admit the truth: You are Goon Pets or live at their pleasure.
I remember about 18 months ago, people were making exactly the same posts about BoB.
300,000 subs 6,000 goons
Just saying.
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Se'hi
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Posted - 2009.05.07 07:42:00 -
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I hate the goons,
But as a matter of fact/life, I hate BOB (or now Kenny) more...
So its a matter of priority
Se'hi
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Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 08:04:00 -
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goonies have some succes now.
so they turned from 'completly irrelevant' in the eyes of eve to 'have won the game' .
nobody can win the game, how do you even know what the mittani sais is all the true, he is an internetspaceship spy-guy for gods sake lol. they stole my sig :'( |
Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.05.07 09:13:00 -
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empires rise and fall, mercenaries stay (always thought MC should have used that moto). the important part being, empires rise and fall.
same exact posts were made about bob, and probably about someone else before that...
don't worry, "all of this has happened before and all of it will happen again".
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.07 09:36:00 -
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EVE alliances are highly instable to begin with. BoB and Goons are rare exceptions (so far) to the typical fate of EVE alliances. Eventually they all failure cascade.
And the current coalitions have been founded on a widespread interest to kick BoB. To that end alliances (and sub-factions within alliances) have suppressed other concerns and set priorities.
Any success carries the seeds of the destruction of such coalitions within. As soon as the primary goal is considered achieved other interests come to the fore.
Any stability on the 0.0 map is an illusion and temporary. The goons themselves can probably not hold together without a clear common enemy - given the size and nature of the alliance.
What the OP is doing is a standard fallacy that humans generally fall for - an assumption that current trends just continue - even though a bit of history hindsight should teach anybody that the only trend that always held true - is that no trend in the past held true.
And please feel free to refer to threads in years past were people wrote about BoB and friends effectively owning the map with nobody to resist them. --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back! Laptop, NVidia7900GS, Ubuntu 8.04, WINE |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.07 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Glengrant
I can picture mittens on his soap box preaching to the clueless and the n00b as his loyal entourage seated around him is patiently readying long sharp daggers.
Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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NeverL
Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.05.07 13:15:00 -
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who cares ,theres still things to blow up and get blown up __ We are not retreating - we are advancing in another direction - General Douglas MacArthur |
Hrothgar Doran
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Posted - 2009.05.07 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Even bees get bored. If they were human. Or something.
/me sends a copy of the Foundation series by Isaac Asimov to Goonswarm and affiliates.
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Rachekrieg
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.07 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Verx Interis BoB's fault anyway.. If they hadn't made 85% of Eve hate them, all these groups wouldn't be allied. Protip: getting everyone else angry at you is pretty much always a bad idea.
Indeed. Goons are the new Bob.
85% of empire dwelling dumb babbys hate goons oh god what are we ever going to do
its a good thing we've got the forces of relevancy on our side, like mm, razor, red, tcf, pl, death...
but most importantly... ZAF
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rachekrieg
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Verx Interis BoB's fault anyway.. If they hadn't made 85% of Eve hate them, all these groups wouldn't be allied. Protip: getting everyone else angry at you is pretty much always a bad idea.
Indeed. Goons are the new Bob.
85% of empire dwelling dumb babbys hate goons oh god what are we ever going to do
I suggest suicide-ganking a large number of exhumers.
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Fox Ogmo
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2009.05.07 14:32:00 -
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I have nothing constructive to say, instead I'll just leave these memes here:
Ohnoes, eve is dying!
Goon alt spotted
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.05.07 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 07/05/2009 15:14:51 Alliance "Y" is getting powerful, hurry old friend alliance "F", help me crush them!
Hey, what's that pain in my back?
"F": My knife, I'm with "Y" now! Muhahahaha.
Edit: If you just abandoned your old bases, fought a war, conquered territory and are in desperate need of a breather to fortify the new territory and replenish your resources do you:
A. Admit as such and ask people nicely to leave you alone for 3 months.
or
B. Project an aura of superiority and invulnerability, try to meet any probes into your strength at such level to reinforce said aura and build up asap behind the scenes.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 15:13:00 -
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there is a reason why you cant post in there and that is because you lack the significance that your opinion doesnt matter :)
and if you are in a 0.0 alliance of more than 10 then get a backbone and post with your main :)
enjoy GD
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.05.07 15:36:00 -
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I'm seriously happy that Empire exists and I will never ever have to exit it. 0.0 and especially the politics there are too lame
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Atnal
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.05.07 15:55:00 -
[47]
Although I don't like the Goonies I'd must admit they are very determined and dictated to what they do. They took over much of 0.0 space and became what the fought against, BoB. Now they have to fight to keep that alpha male spot.
May the best team win.
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Dez Affinity
Evocati.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword Edited by: Shadowsword on 07/05/2009 05:56:48
Originally by: Thanks4Isk It now seems pretty apparent that as far as the politics of 0.0 space in Eve... That Eve has been won: by the Gooney Gasbag coalition. All that is left is the mopping up.
What leads me to say this? Read The Mittani's own words to see that the goons now have enough influence in 0.0 space that if any Alliance gets out of lineā they call on past friends who have created other Alliances which have prosperedā as well as allies they have worked with in the past to crush their dreams.
The other thing the Goons have done is to effectively use spies to infiltrate most likely and upcoming Alliance's in order to get one or more alts into a leadership position so if that Alliance becomes a problemā they can steal, rob or completely destroy said Alliance with a simple click of the mouse. (No doubt every Goon is encouraged when they join that they must get one or more alts into other corps for future espionage use)
They have become what they hated most about BOB: Boasting Gasbags. Unfortunately the air they expel is usually toxic to their enemies.
No I am no fan of the Goons. I think is it time for other Alliances to join with -A- or even the remnants of BOB to take down the Goons.
Or just admit the truth: You are Goon Pets or live at their pleasure.
Hello, angry IRC/ED alt.
You should try thinking a bit more...
When you launched an attack on RA, you threatened it's support to legion of death on the Great War's east front. Like Mittani explained, it could have done seriously Bad Things in the war against Bob.
I have nothing against IRC or ED, but if you threaten our efforts, even indirectly, why should we keep you blue?
Maybe that's why Mittani was able to convince others to reset you, eh?
When Bob and it's allies are well and truly gone, the coalition will break up. It's inevitable. We log to participate in conflicts, not play kitty online.
Hey look guys! It's TCF with delusions of grandeur. _______________
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Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.05.07 16:00:00 -
[49]
Eve is dead.
Welcome to ZOMBIE EVE!
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Hermosa Diosas
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.05.07 16:04:00 -
[50]
Game over man lol...I still think CCP shoudl restrict the amount of space an alliance can hold...will make way for more alliances to get involved in 0.0, and not massive blobs and powerblocs...
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Shidhe
Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim
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Posted - 2009.05.07 16:06:00 -
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Echos of `The end of History'.
But history didn't end....
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.07 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 07/05/2009 16:07:54 There is a theoretical issue, in that the NC, RED, GS, PL (ie all the really big alliances that make up Goon's NAP list) can drop onto your door as soon as you shoot one of them or your pets. That doesn't actually happen. In reality, the defending side generally pulls in more and more friends (of all shapes and sizes, and not all at once) until they win. Aggro got beaten out of WC thanks to friends coming in to help as an example.
It gets to a point where, because everyone is all friends with each other or at least willing to go kill stuff in a NAPed alliance's space, it gets hard for space to be conquered by a non-established power. There are two reasons for this:
1) The Sov warfare mechanics are the only mechanics in the game that favour the defence side. POS bashing is a lot easier for the defense than the offense, because the offense cannot replenish their ships as easily.
2) Space is a precious resource. If an alliance loses their space, they lose everything.
The solution to the former is to find an alternative to POS fights to settle sov disputes. The solution to the latter is FAR more space, or space being far harder to control. ________________________________________________
http://eve.drome.nl/CaodCleaner/ Help make CAOD readable. |
Virum Acuedalla
Amarr Phantasmal Collective Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.07 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador empires rise and fall, mercenaries stay (always thought MC should have used that moto). the important part being, empires rise and fall.
same exact posts were made about bob, and probably about someone else before that...
don't worry, "all of this has happened before and all of it will happen again".
Et tu, Brute Under new ownership |
Khald
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.07 16:38:00 -
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Unless goonswarm is growing to expand either organically or by sub leasing the space the materials held with in it will not be harvested causing prices to go up and causing more people to poach or capture the territory to make a profit.
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.05.07 16:43:00 -
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The funny thing is that sometime in the future, one of a few things is going to happen.
One..
The rest of eve is going to see delve as "secured" by Goons and friends. Then all the major alliance's/coalitions that are helping them will decide the fight is over, and go home. Then petty politics will rear it's head all over and the support in delve that goons had will be gone... And Kenny will strike.
Or two...
Kenny will realize they need to take out goons, and take the time to infiltrate Goonswarm. They'll bide their time and get into a position where they can do REAL damage to goons on multiple fronts. Split goons from the inside. It's one of the few ways to kill an alliance of this size. You need to attack the base structure that is goons. They've shown that they are able to change individual people at the top with minimal churn chaos. Get people into positions of authority and commit small acts that destroy their relationship with others. Slowly alienate the goons from the rest of their allies. Create splits in thinking inside goon leadership. Widen gaps in already existing personel conflicts. Do just what goons do to others.
Or three..
The rest of eve is going to realize that goons are a greater threat then BOB ever was. Bob came out, did a full frontal attack on a region/alliance/coalition, then turtled up for a few months. Rinse repeat. They very rarely held the space they took for long periods. Goons on the other had want to destroy eve for all.
Personally I'd rather have an opponent who wants good fights, then the one who wants to destroy my pleasure in playing.
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Ms DaisyMae
Burning Bush Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.07 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cors The funny thing is that sometime in the future, one of a few things is going to happen.
One..
The rest of eve is going to see delve as "secured" by Goons and friends. Then all the major alliance's/coalitions that are helping them will decide the fight is over, and go home. Then petty politics will rear it's head all over and the support in delve that goons had will be gone... And Kenny will strike.
Or two...
Kenny will realize they need to take out goons, and take the time to infiltrate Goonswarm. They'll bide their time and get into a position where they can do REAL damage to goons on multiple fronts. Split goons from the inside. It's one of the few ways to kill an alliance of this size. You need to attack the base structure that is goons. They've shown that they are able to change individual people at the top with minimal churn chaos. Get people into positions of authority and commit small acts that destroy their relationship with others. Slowly alienate the goons from the rest of their allies. Create splits in thinking inside goon leadership. Widen gaps in already existing personel conflicts. Do just what goons do to others.
Or three..
The rest of eve is going to realize that goons are a greater threat then BOB ever was. Bob came out, did a full frontal attack on a region/alliance/coalition, then turtled up for a few months. Rinse repeat. They very rarely held the space they took for long periods. Goons on the other had want to destroy eve for all.
Personally I'd rather have an opponent who wants good fights, then the one who wants to destroy my pleasure in playing.
BoB stated goal was to control all of 0.0, which by definition detroys most 0.0 dwellers pleasure in playing.
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Tom Sasaki
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Posted - 2009.05.07 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Verx Interis BoB's fault anyway.. If they hadn't made 85% of Eve hate them, all these groups wouldn't be allied. Protip: getting everyone else angry at you is pretty much always a bad idea.
Indeed. Goons are the new Bob.
Not really , the rest of Eve might hate goons for inflating moon ore prices and thereby making everything more expensive for the highsec dwellers.
But from what I'm reading most of the bigger 0.0 alliances except those friendly to Kenny like them.
And if the 250k or so players in empire hates them.. who cares what they do or doesnt do wont impact 0.0 politics anyway.
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CaptainAttitude
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.07 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin The larger the area you control, the harder it is to defend it properly. All that needs to happen is someone with a sizable force learns how to use actual strategy in this game. Sun Tzu's Art of War is good for more than just quoting from, after all.
I guess it's a good thing we went from 5 regions to 2 when we moved to Delve then, huh? Also, I'm pretty sure Sun Tzu was actually thinking of internet spaceship games when he wrote his book. That man was seriously ahead of his time!
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Robin Plunder
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Posted - 2009.05.07 20:31:00 -
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My guess is that people just wanted BoB out of the picture. So they helped goons, or got out of the way of goons and those helping goons.
Once the death of BoB is largely accomplished, I think we'll see things liven up again. (It's not like they've been standing still in some places anyway).
Also: If Goons can undermine your corp through theft, you'd have lost it to some non-goon-related thief sooner or later anyway.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.05.07 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dez Affinity Hey look guys! It's TCF with delusions of grandeur.
G00dfather's moons are best moons :) Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.07 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: CaptainAttitude I guess it's a good thing we went from 5 regions to 2 when we moved to Delve then, huh? Also, I'm pretty sure Sun Tzu was actually thinking of internet spaceship games when he wrote his book. That man was seriously ahead of his time!
Sun Tzu probably didn't exist. The book is more of a collection of military anecdotes than actual warfare tactics, most likely collected over a long period of time.
Delve/Querious/PB are far more profitable and easier to defend than GS's previous Sov holdings. That's largely why BOB were so disliked - it was widely regarded that they had the best space. ________________________________________________
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OffBeaT
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.07 20:58:00 -
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from how i see it AAA is looking like the most agressing allance out there! RA looks nasty, xXDeathXx is sitting sweet as well.
Goon takes out tangra & pandemic then they well be killer.
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Thanks4Isk
Minmatar Times Up.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Fox Ogmo Goon alt spotted
I am definatly NOT a goon alt. I'm hoping people wake up and realize Goons are the new BoB and do something about it.
And here are two very nice writeups that deserve to be restated:
Originally by: Doctor Penguin Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 07/05/2009 16:07:54 There is a theoretical issue, in that the NC, RED, GS, PL (ie all the really big alliances that make up Goon's NAP list) can drop onto your door as soon as you shoot one of them or your pets. That doesn't actually happen. In reality, the defending side generally pulls in more and more friends (of all shapes and sizes, and not all at once) until they win. Aggro got beaten out of WC thanks to friends coming in to help as an example.
It gets to a point where, because everyone is all friends with each other or at least willing to go kill stuff in a NAPed alliance's space, it gets hard for space to be conquered by a non-established power. There are two reasons for this:
1) The Sov warfare mechanics are the only mechanics in the game that favour the defence side. POS bashing is a lot easier for the defense than the offense, because the offense cannot replenish their ships as easily.
2) Space is a precious resource. If an alliance loses their space, they lose everything.
The solution to the former is to find an alternative to POS fights to settle sov disputes. The solution to the latter is FAR more space, or space being far harder to control.
Originally by: Cors The funny thing is that sometime in the future, one of a few things is going to happen.
One..
The rest of eve is going to see delve as "secured" by Goons and friends. Then all the major alliance's/coalitions that are helping them will decide the fight is over, and go home. Then petty politics will rear it's head all over and the support in delve that goons had will be gone... And Kenny will strike.
Or two...
Kenny will realize they need to take out goons, and take the time to infiltrate Goonswarm. They'll bide their time and get into a position where they can do REAL damage to goons on multiple fronts. Split goons from the inside. It's one of the few ways to kill an alliance of this size. You need to attack the base structure that is goons. They've shown that they are able to change individual people at the top with minimal churn chaos. Get people into positions of authority and commit small acts that destroy their relationship with others. Slowly alienate the goons from the rest of their allies. Create splits in thinking inside goon leadership. Widen gaps in already existing personel conflicts. Do just what goons do to others.
Or three..
The rest of eve is going to realize that goons are a greater threat then BOB ever was. Bob came out, did a full frontal attack on a region/alliance/coalition, then turtled up for a few months. Rinse repeat. They very rarely held the space they took for long periods. Goons on the other had want to destroy eve for all.
Personally I'd rather have an opponent who wants good fights, then the one who wants to destroy my pleasure in playing.
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Korerin Mayul
Amarr The R.I.T.U.A.L Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:25:00 -
[64]
i for one, bow to our new honey-producing overlords.
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Venda Karn
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:27:00 -
[65]
I heard bees were in mysterious decline.
Space drama's have longevity if anything. A long time ago... queue <"Main Title/Rebel Blockade">
Thinking of the mini-soaps that occur in-game and the forums, I feel these are better (taken more serious? more elaborate? accidental?) then what I experience in other games. I'm keyed to see how it progresses (ends?), as other posters have said...
"Empires rise and fall." It's captivating to watch and play your part, small or not. What's interesting is seeing things like this happening in a game!
EVE Online - now accepting applications for out of work Soap actors.
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Anne Cormache
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:25:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Anne Cormache on 08/05/2009 17:25:23
Originally by: Venda Karn I heard bees were in mysterious decline.
Sorry, newb here... Why are Goonies called "bees"?? I get the "kenny" thing, but "bees" baffles me...
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Idocrase
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:38:00 -
[67]
Dunno. Because they swarm like bees or some stupid crap?
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 08/05/2009 17:41:45 Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 08/05/2009 17:40:52 GoonSwarm's logo is a fat bee with a tin helmet and a cigar. (I'm not 100% sure on this, but I also believe it is GoonFleet's logo.)
It's a very silly logo.
In addition, they use bee-like swarm tactics in MMOs, because the standard fact is that in all warfare the chappy who brings three times as many mates to the fight generally wins (ignoring stupidity and the defensive structures of the place the swarm is attacking, the latter being the major reason GS only took BoB's space when 60% of that defense was switched off.) ________________________________________________
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Atropos Kahn
Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:47:00 -
[69]
Never... Havn't you ever read Yeats!
THE SECOND COMING
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand; A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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