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Adophnil
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Posted - 2009.05.07 08:43:00 -
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.07 08:48:00 -
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I can't see them... oh wait they're khanid black.
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darrolav
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Posted - 2009.05.07 10:07:00 -
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Dual MAR 2 Sacrilege has a beast tank and decent dps with one Ballistic control system. You can have a lot of 800 cap recharge due to 615m3 cargo. In pvp, the only thing you have to pay attention is right timing rep.
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Ichandasil
Minmatar Department of Defence
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Posted - 2009.05.07 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: darrolav Dual MAR 2 Sacrilege has a beast tank and decent dps with one Ballistic control system. You can have a lot of 800 cap recharge due to 615m3 cargo. In pvp, the only thing you have to pay attention is right timing rep.
Agreed. Corpmate of mine has a dual rep Sac and he's damn near unbreakable 1v1.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.07 17:16:00 -
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Nano Sacrilege is not dead, and is still the best setup:
[Sacrilege, gank] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Hobgoblin II x3
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.05.07 17:31:00 -
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I flew a dual-rep Sac last week. It had crap DPS. I'd tried to get respectable damage out of it (maxed HAM skills), but then it had a crap tank. I killed a lolfit ratting Raven and T1-fit Thorax, then died in a gatecamp.
I find it difficult to see the point of the Sac in a world that has HAM Drake and HM Cerberus. Some sort of shield-buffered nano fit makes the most sense, but lol at its shield EM/thermal resists vs. the weapons that can hit you while you dictate range - Scorch and damage-selectable missiles.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp LAST JUDGEMENT
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Posted - 2009.05.07 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: Haradgrim on 07/05/2009 18:15:45 I've been flying a dual rep sac lately (very similar to the second one in the OP post) and I have to say that I absolutely love it.
The DPS is fine, even with only 1 bcu II, especially with the ability to pick damage type and with faction ammo it does more than enough to break any tank, the only thing most 1vs1 will come down to is will their tank last longer than your cap boosters.
The biggest suprise about flying the Sac is a)how cheap it is (including to fit) and b) how big its natural capacitor is.
Also, my pvp fit has no trouble tanking high-bounty rats and can kill them pretty fast.... --
Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donęt forget the reach-around.
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Leina Kubyeshev
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Posted - 2009.05.12 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim Edited by: Haradgrim on 07/05/2009 18:15:45 I've been flying a dual rep sac lately (very similar to the second one in the OP post) and I have to say that I absolutely love it.
The DPS is fine, even with only 1 bcu II, especially with the ability to pick damage type and with faction ammo it does more than enough to break any tank, the only thing most 1vs1 will come down to is will their tank last longer than your cap boosters.
The biggest suprise about flying the Sac is a)how cheap it is (including to fit) and b) how big its natural capacitor is.
Also, my pvp fit has no trouble tanking high-bounty rats and can kill them pretty fast....
I wouldn't say 130 mil in amarr is cheap. I do get someone to build mine for cheaper but its still an expensive ship.
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Cavazos
Caldari Xeno Tech Corp MACHI MISCHIEF
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Posted - 2009.05.12 03:23:00 -
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m8 id reccomend if u want nice fit id reccomenf lowest resist ardner in the BCUII slot on the 3rd slot and of course MCBII w/ 800's disruptor web and MWD then probly 5x HAMII's and small or medium nos.... the fit worked for me and hasnt failed me yet [url=http://meth.splintersphere.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=4981] [/url] |
Psiri
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Posted - 2009.05.12 05:16:00 -
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I think that the Sac has a similar problem as the Deimos, just nowhere near as bad.
The damage output from a Sacrilege isn't exactly sparkling and in order for it to deal full damage versus anything cruiser sized or smaller you'll need to apply a web (then again you should obliterate a T1 cruiser anyway). Unfortunately web range and the "nano" shield buffer fit don't exactly go hand in hand. The option would be an active repair fit (which better plays on the ship's bonuses, something I always like) and head in for sub-scrambler range where you can work up transversal or if needs be or sit at 9km where medium blasters aren't as strong.
However, you won't have it anywhere near as easy to disengage as you would with a shield buffer fit. It's pretty much THE advantage of flying a HAC IMO and what justifies its hefty pricetag. Then again, the Sac is the prettiest ship around so I guess it makes up for it *shrug*.
Either way, both work and both run similar enough risk of getting boned in camps.
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Fiben Bolger
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.12 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Psiri I think that the Sac has a similar problem as the Deimos, just nowhere near as bad.
The damage output from a Sacrilege isn't exactly sparkling and in order for it to deal full damage versus anything cruiser sized or smaller you'll need to apply a web (then again you should obliterate a T1 cruiser anyway). Unfortunately web range and the "nano" shield buffer fit don't exactly go hand in hand. The option would be an active repair fit (which better plays on the ship's bonuses, something I always like) and head in for sub-scrambler range where you can work up transversal or if needs be or sit at 9km where medium blasters aren't as strong.
However, you won't have it anywhere near as easy to disengage as you would with a shield buffer fit. It's pretty much THE advantage of flying a HAC IMO and what justifies its hefty pricetag. Then again, the Sac is the prettiest ship around so I guess it makes up for it *shrug*.
Either way, both work and both run similar enough risk of getting boned in camps.
I just did a quick check in the item database, and HAMs have an explosion radius of 125. The only T1 Cruisers that can beat that are the Exequror, the Augoror, the Scythe, and the Stabber. The lowest of these has a signature radius of 100, so a single T1, unskilled Target Painter will keep your damage at maximum. Thanks, CCP for making the math so easy (125-29% X 100).
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.05.12 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Fiben Bolger I just did a quick check in the item database, and HAMs have an explosion radius of 125. The only T1 Cruisers that can beat that are the Exequror, the Augoror, the Scythe, and the Stabber. The lowest of these has a signature radius of 100, so a single T1, unskilled Target Painter will keep your damage at maximum. Thanks, CCP for making the math so easy (125-29% X 100).
Which has a relevance to ship speed, how exactly?
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Tza Omi
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Posted - 2009.05.12 21:04:00 -
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[Sacrilege, Sacrilege Passive Shield 1] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile [empty high slot]
Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Hornet EC-300 x3
Can't tackle, but it can do 4 + minutes of 1589 m/s its hard to kill (219 dps passive shield tank) and it does a good steady 398 dps, good boat for a small gang or fleet.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp LAST JUDGEMENT
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Posted - 2009.05.12 22:48:00 -
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OP had it right:
Highs: Heavy Assault Missile II x5
Mediums: 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Medium Electrochemical Cap Booster w/ 800s X5 Engine Ennervator
Lows: MAR II x2 EAMN IIx2 BCU II
Rigs: 2x Aux Nano
This fit is awesome, even though the dps is somewhat limited; you will probably kill anything, eventually, that you can hit for reasonable dps. Just don't attack bait drakes...
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Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donęt forget the reach-around.
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Leina Vkevnov
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Posted - 2009.06.03 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin Nano Sacrilege is not dead, and is still the best setup:
[Sacrilege, gank] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Hobgoblin II x3
Decent but not having a cap booster is a serious liability.
The best fit is
5x HAMII, Small Nos II
Warp Disruptor II Stasis Web II Medium Capacitor Booster II 800's 10mn Microwarpdrive
2x MARII DCUII EANMII BCU II
Plate fits are fail. Its either this or merins fit.
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Linnth
Amarr Darkill Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.03 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Leina Vkevnov
Decent but not having a cap booster is a serious liability.
The best fit is
5x HAMII, Small Nos II
Warp Disruptor II Stasis Web II Medium Capacitor Booster II 800's 10mn Microwarpdrive
2x MARII DCUII EANMII BCU II
Plate fits are fail. Its either this or merins fit.
2 x MAR II's do not cycle very fast though. The tank might look good on EFT, but you'd be surprised how badly a plated all-out-gank Thorax could hurt you in between the repper cycles. I'd prefer 1 x MAR II and some plating. -------------------
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Poses
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Posted - 2009.06.03 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Poses on 03/06/2009 21:48:14 [Sacrilege, pew] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Torrent Assault Missile XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Torrent Assault Missile XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Torrent Assault Missile XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Torrent Assault Missile XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Torrent Assault Missile Small Nosferatu II
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Warrior II x3
is my fit... mainly used for killing NPCers and such... however NOT a solo fit (see: low DPS), however it has enough tank (while at speed) to more or less perma tank infinite drakes.
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Jaina Proudmoar
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Posted - 2009.06.04 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin Nano Sacrilege is not dead, and is still the best setup:
[Sacrilege, gank] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Hobgoblin II x3
Drop the nano's for a DC2 and an overdrive.
Drop the LSE's for a cap booster and TP.
Dual tanking is fail, active tanking without resist from a DC2 is fail.
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Removal Tool
Eternal Perseverance
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Posted - 2009.06.04 00:13:00 -
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You better be on crazy amounts of caffiene to manage the dual rep while fighting multiple targets.
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Crazy Tasty
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.04 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Removal Tool You better be on crazy amounts of caffiene to manage the dual rep while fighting multiple targets.
Sac's cap makes it very easy to manage 2 reps. I can perma run 2 reps + MWD on my full tank setup. ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP. |
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Odyessus
Amarr Gerbils of the Apocalypse Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.06.04 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Odyessus on 04/06/2009 09:21:45 May I suggest something a little different....
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Thermic Membrane II Damage Control II
Warp Disruptor II Warp Scrambler II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 10MN Afterburner II
Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Nosferatu II
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Warrior II x3
Its worked well as a bait ship so far. Lots of gank BS gangs think they'll have some, but with ~120k EHP (+130 with good boosting & faction hardners) and a backup RR gang behind me: They are toast. with the scram+web & distruptor, two targets arent getting away :)
Of course, the dps is lacking :P but its there to take and hold. The neuts & nos are there for fun, when against BS, but anything else will be hurt by the ~270 cap drain from the neuts, every 6s.
The speed is ofc the worst bit imo; i get 475m/s. however, it works in deadspace, so those mission runners will not be safe
enjoy
edit: using another EANM, instead of the DC will be better in most circumstances: ofc u want ur armour resists as high as poss. if u go into structure in a BS blob, ur dead anyway regardless of the DC2, and its shield resits offer no help either imo.
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Ap0ll0n
Gallente Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.06.04 09:44:00 -
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Fitting plates to the sac is the worst thing you can do. The sac is a closerange HAC, just like the deimos, so you need atleast some kind of maneuvrability.
[Sacrilege, Hihi] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25 Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Warrior II x3
Alternatively, you can drop the neut and a BCS and fit another MARII, but thats really up to your preference. I myself like to be able to turn off the cap of ceptors/AF¦s.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.06.04 11:12:00 -
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What rigs would you recommend? I'm not keen on armour rigs as they cripple the mobility advantage.
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Catelco
Segunda Fundacion T o r m e n t u m
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Posted - 2009.06.04 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III What rigs would you recommend? I'm not keen on armour rigs as they cripple the mobility advantage.
Rigs for armor tanking: Trimark Armor pumps for pure buffer tanks, for dual rep tanks, go for nanobot accelerators or Aux. Nano pumps, either one of each or both the same. I just prefer mixing both as a tradeoff between repair amount and capacitor used.
Rigs for Damage: Bay Loader, Warhead Calefaction
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.06.04 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Catelco Rigs for armor tanking: Trimark Armor pumps for pure buffer tanks, for dual rep tanks, go for nanobot accelerators or Aux. Nano pumps, either one of each or both the same. I just prefer mixing both as a tradeoff between repair amount and capacitor used.
Rigs for Damage: Bay Loader, Warhead Calefaction...
Thanks for this, but I am already aware of the functions of these rigs. I was kinda hoping for comments on the tactical advantages and disadvantages of fitting armour rigs, with specific reference to the mobility problem (Aux thrusters, polycarbons?), the role in which such a Sac is used and the reason for flying a Sac over other ships, rather than a recital of the attributes tabs. |
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