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Kal London
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Posted - 2009.05.07 18:35:00 -
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I plan to purchase a Providence in a few days and have the skills to fly it for the first time. Now I'm wondering what to do next. Joining a corp comes to mind. I'll just rattle off the questions as they come to mind, if you don't mind.
What should I charge? Is there usually a reimbursement agreement for a loss of my ship? Or do I pay when I lose their cargo? Is auto-pilot too risky? Should I expect combat support for expensive jita runs? Do low-sec runs work? How would I make money solo? (minerals?)
Any additional guidelines or wisdom is appreciated.
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Inigo Firebird
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2009.05.07 18:48:00 -
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A Freighter wont make you buckets of isk but can be useful on a second account afk moving stuff.
I suggest staying in an npc corp that way no wars ect to worry about. Auto pilot is fine just avoid low sec and dont carry more than 1 bils worth of cargo. Dont run low sec unless you have many friends or are very experianced! Generally just avoid. Dont limit yourself to minerals check whats needed in one region to another and buy X and sell where its needed.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.05.07 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kal London I plan to purchase a Providence in a few days and have the skills to fly it for the first time. Now I'm wondering what to do next. Joining a corp comes to mind. I'll just rattle off the questions as they come to mind, if you don't mind.
What should I charge? Is there usually a reimbursement agreement for a loss of my ship? Or do I pay when I lose their cargo? Is auto-pilot too risky? Should I expect combat support for expensive jita runs? Do low-sec runs work? How would I make money solo? (minerals?)
Any additional guidelines or wisdom is appreciated.
Look, another person who wants to know how to make money with a freighter! Every time I see one of these threads, something dies inside me.
Look at the Sell Orders forum to get an idea of what rates you should charge. Usually no. If you lose your freighter... sucks to be you. Usually you'll be handling contracts with collateral, so yeah, you'll pay if you lose the cargo. Depends on what kind of cargo you're carrying. Should you MAKE expensive Jita runs is a better question. Answer: no. Split the cargo and make several trips if you can. ... the fact that you even ask this means that you're not ready to fly a freighter. Hahahahahahahhahahahahahadfadlfadfadsfadf
Hope that helps you.
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Kal London
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Posted - 2009.05.07 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Frenden Dax
Look, another person who wants to know how to make money with a freighter! Every time I see one of these threads, something dies inside me.
[...] the fact that you even ask this means that you're not ready to fly a freighter. Hahahahahahahhahahahahahadfadlfadfadsfadf
Hope that helps you.
Market madness got to ye, poor soul Hmmm, not ready to fly a freighter, how BOUT I ASK FOR ADVICE!
Quote: A Freighter wont make you buckets of isk but can be useful on a second account afk moving stuff.
I suggest staying in an npc corp that way no wars ect to worry about. Auto pilot is fine just avoid low sec and dont carry more than 1 bils worth of cargo. Dont run low sec unless you have many friends or are very experianced! Generally just avoid. Dont limit yourself to minerals check whats needed in one region to another and buy X and sell where its needed.
Thanks!
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2009.05.07 19:35:00 -
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Kal, Don't listen to the other a$$wipes on this thread giving you garbage advice.
A freighter will make you more money than any other ship in the game by far. The main trick: don't spend every dime you have on the freighter. Wait until you have enough ISK to buy AND fill it.
Main with freighter in Jita, Alt in another hub (like Hek or Rens or Dodixie). Compare market prices of the two regions, side by side. If there is a 10% margin (or 5% for minerals), buy it up, and move it, then sell it.
If you load the freighter with 1 Billion in cargo, you'll make 100M after the goods sell off. Nice, but...
Load the freighter with 5 Billion in goods, you'll make 500 Million within a few days.
Load the freighter with 10 Billion in goods, you'll make 1 Billion in profit once the cargo sells. See how that works? More ISK you have, more you make. (of course at this stage you need to start scouting ahead for the freighter as you become a gank risk in Niarja....)
OH, and don't waste 200M insuring your freighter. You won't lose it unless you accidentally fly to low-sec. And if you somehow DO lose it, the insurance payout still won't stop you from wanting to kill yourself.
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Lukriss
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Posted - 2009.05.07 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus Load the freighter with 5 Billion in goods, you'll make 500 Million within a few days.
Load the freighter with 10 Billion in goods, you'll make 1 Billion in profit once the cargo sells. See how that works? More ISK you have, more you make. (of course at this stage you need to start scouting ahead for the freighter as you become a gank risk in Niarja....)
OH, and don't waste 200M insuring your freighter. You won't lose it unless you accidentally fly to low-sec. And if you somehow DO lose it, the insurance payout still won't stop you from wanting to kill yourself.
5b? are you dumb? that's just asking to be suicide ganked.
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Kal London
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Posted - 2009.05.07 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Don't spend every dime you have on the freighter. Wait until you have enough ISK to buy AND fill it.
OH, and don't waste 200M insuring your freighter.
Great points. Just what I was looking for. Thanks for not being an a$$wipe
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Bloody Rabbit
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Posted - 2009.05.07 20:51:00 -
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Fit snake set on the pilot and have an alt in the corp with the freighter pilot to web sling the freighter.
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Crystal Evolution
Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.07 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Bloody Rabbit Fit snake set on the pilot and have an alt in the corp with the freighter pilot to web sling the freighter.
This actually works, did it with a charon through 2 lowsec jumps once __________________________________________________
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PublicRelations Kwint
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.07 21:01:00 -
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Freighters are a poor investment, by one only if you have a profitable use for it. The real profit comes from something like finding an item with a big regional price difference, not from the freighter itself. The freighter is just a tool.
Yes, you can make money picking up high sec courier missions and the like but you make money doing that in the sense that you can make money running L3 missions. There's money their but that doesn't mean you're not wasting your time. There are much more profitable things out there, many of which are less risky.
Simply put, don't buy a freighter unless you have a need for one.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.05.07 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus Kal, Don't listen to the other a$$wipes on this thread giving you garbage advice.
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Load the freighter with 10 Billion in goods, you'll make 1 Billion in profit once the cargo sells. See how that works? More ISK you have, more you make. (of course at this stage you need to start scouting ahead for the freighter as you become a gank risk in Niarja....)
Yes, of course, because no one suicide ganks in or near major trade hubs for 10b.
If you wonder why I mock you, it is because you are not the first, second, or twentieth person to ask THESE EXACT SAME QUESTIONS. Additionally, I wasn't mocking all your questions, just the last two.
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Mr Bigshot
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Posted - 2009.05.07 22:09:00 -
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Newb question that requires an alt post.
But how does one suicide gank a freighter in high-sec? I would think their hp is too high to take them down before concordokken occurs... Unless you are suicide ganking with 10+ 100-200M decently-fitted BSes. Is this common?
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glas mir
Reaction Scientific
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Posted - 2009.05.07 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Bigshot Newb question that requires an alt post.
But how does one suicide gank a freighter in high-sec? I would think their hp is too high to take them down before concordokken occurs... Unless you are suicide ganking with 10+ 100-200M decently-fitted BSes. Is this common?
No you don't gank a freighter solo, but t1 BS cheaply fit can be worth much much less than a freighter. It is the sec hit that is the biggest cost, you can't do it all the time. Thus freighter pilots are not invulnerable.
as per the optimal fit and required numbers, post with your main!
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Sophil
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Posted - 2009.05.07 22:29:00 -
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Never done a highsec gank but here is the deal. U spot a freighter moving around. Scan the cargo and see what's inside. If the cargo is worth it u bring some friends in t1 battleships fitted to max gank with some passive buffer tank (extenders, plates) and shoot the crap out of the freighter. Then one uses an alt or another friends with a freighter to scoop the loot. Hopefully the cargo survived. And because of the current insurance mechanism it can be very profitable.
The lower the security status of the system, the longer it takes for concord to warp/come/spawn, so 0.5 systems are "the" systems for suiciding freigters. Take a look in the 0.5 system between Jita and Amarr a sunday evening. U usually see some freighter containers laying around.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.05.07 22:57:00 -
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Suicide battleships are NOT 100-200M investments. As an excercise compare Jita buy order pricing to insurance payout on a Raven. Also check the prices of meta 1-3 torp launchers, BCUs and approximately 18 faction torpedos. Each *INSURED* suicide Raven will run you less than 10M. Way less.
I was breaking even or running a profit solo ganking hulks and mackinaws in a megathron, and neutron blasters are at least 20x as expensive as torp launchers. And I needed 7 of them, not 6.
So the gating factor is indeed standings. You don't want to blow your standings wad on a bunch of guys with 1B in their cargo, you want to wait till the "10B" guy shows up.
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2009.05.08 07:20:00 -
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Yup. If you load 10B in your freighter, you need to be careful in Niarja (0.5 between Jita and Amarr)...and Uedama (Jita-Dodixie).
Which is exactly what I said in my post. I ROUTINELY haul 14-15 Billion in my freighter. (You bad-ass suicide gankers - quick write that down! Come get me, I dare you. ) Each run I earn 1.5 to 2.0 BILLION Isk. Every run - once or twice a week.
However when I am moving that much cargo I always use a condom. To kill a freighter in hi-sec you need a massive (25+) gank gang of Battleships. Those battleships will be milling around the gate waiting for your freighter. A single scout roving ahead of freighter is all you need. No massive freighter busting gang? Keep going. 25+ Battleships conspicuously hanging around with drones buzzing around? Dock it up, and finish the run later.
For bonus points: dump your cargo in a station, and then wait for the gankers to knock off some other freighter, then jump through the gate and try to scoop the wreck. Nothing gets you more hate EVEmail from a suicide ganker than scooping their wreck for them.
But really, its not so much the cost of the gank battleships - or the sec status hit. Its getting that enough people together at the right place and the right time, on short notice, with specially fit suicide ships that makes is quite rare.
Don't let these nervous nellies scare you. Its not as common as you think, and many of the freighter cans you see are unlucky war targets, not suicide ganks. (some are even killed by Faction Navy, accidently wandering into a territory where they have a -5.0 standing....)
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Ta'jek
Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:30:00 -
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what can you expect flying a freighter? lots of free time to do market research, reading contracts and posting on the forums while warping.....
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Kal London
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ta'jek what can you expect flying a freighter? lots of free time to do market research, reading contracts and posting on the forums while warping.....
Guess I'll have to get used to that......the transition to an impel was like I'll try to think of it as a mobile base of operations.
Originally by: Herr Wilkus For bonus points: dump your cargo in a station, and then wait for the gankers to knock off some other freighter, then jump through the gate and try to scoop the wreck.
That would be pretty sweet
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DjLowballer
Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:24:00 -
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How I flew a freighter:
I used to do courier contracts. Every completed contract I would send an evemail out thanking them for business. Gradually I started getting repeat business. Volume started to massively increase along with profits.
In the time I did this actively I paid for about half the cost of the freighter. Crap money, but I made a good deal of friends and made a little cash on the side.
Totally worth it.
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Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus Kal, Don't listen to the other a$$wipes on this thread giving you garbage advice.
A freighter will make you more money than any other ship in the game by far. The main trick: don't spend every dime you have on the freighter. Wait until you have enough ISK to buy AND fill it.
Main with freighter in Jita, Alt in another hub (like Hek or Rens or Dodixie). Compare market prices of the two regions, side by side. If there is a 10% margin (or 5% for minerals), buy it up, and move it, then sell it.
And here you forget to mention you will have to micromanage your sell orders until they sell out....
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Ulstan
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:17:00 -
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Right Way:
"Man, I'm making a lot of money doing this, but I could make SO MUCH MORE if I could haul more per trip! Hmmm maybe I'll check into a freighter..."
Wrong Way:
"Gosh, I wish I had some money. I know, I'll buy a freighter!"
Basically don't buy a freighter until you've identified precisely what you'll be doing, and why you need a freighter to make it profitable compared to not using one.
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SonOfAGhost
Minmatar Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:26:00 -
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Piloting a Freighter - What should I expect?
An overwhelming urge to get out and push. -----
Originally by: kedoremos EVE's economy is **** for CPAs, Annuities, and Stock Brokers.
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Brynden Blackfish
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Posted - 2009.05.09 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kal London
Originally by: Herr Wilkus For bonus points: dump your cargo in a station, and then wait for the gankers to knock off some other freighter, then jump through the gate and try to scoop the wreck.
That would be pretty sweet
Yeah, if it worked. The last time I took my freighter out, it was still not possible to load it while undocked (it's been sitting in dock for a while, though). They'd need a dozen trips to haul away the loot in an industrial. |
Thramin Fracksan
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Posted - 2009.05.09 05:26:00 -
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Edited by: Thramin Fracksan on 09/05/2009 05:26:41 or an orca
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2009.05.09 11:06:00 -
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Funny thing about these freighters....
Freighters in space CAN scoop freighter wrecks.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.05.09 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: SonO***host Piloting a Freighter - What should I expect?
An overwhelming urge to get out and push.
Outstanding post, full of win, insight and truth.
Investing in an alt in a fast-locking ship with a web and maybe a webbing bonus will allow you to instawarp between gates. It doesn't work warping away from stations but it's easy and reliable between gates. This is important in unsafe space but it also provides you the ability to "get out and push" when you need to. Obviously the alt will act as a scout for you as well, so two jobs done by one cheap ship with a low-skilled pilot. It is highly recommended and it is good for your sanity.
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Trader David
Amarr Event Horizon Trading
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Posted - 2009.05.09 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Herr Wilkus Funny thing about these freighters....
Freighters in space CAN scoop freighter wrecks.
Interesting, you only mean player freigher wrecks right?
'Cause I do know that they cannot pickup the freighter sized mineral rats in 0.0. I once found one with 40 mill trit. Had to move it with a normal hauler to a local pos, then freighter it home...
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Ralara
Caldari DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.09 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ralara on 09/05/2009 22:42:16
Originally by: Sophil Never done a highsec gank
I can tell :p
Quote: t1 battleships fitted to max gank
Yes
Quote: with some passive buffer tank (extenders, plates)
No.
Concord, when they arrive, insta-jam and insta neut you - there's no point fitting any kind of tank since your weapons wont be working anyway. Drones wont even work now they get insta jammed too.
Ravens. Tech 2 torps (rage - EM and explosive) and 3 bouncer Is. 5 BCS. Mids - MWDs / ABs to get into position and/or bump it and the rest could be anything but let's use Target Painters because there's nothing else useful there. Maybe a web each.
There is nothing more efficient at it, taking insurance into account, as far as I'm aware. Megas can just about out DPS that but tracking and such - torps are just much better at hitting a freighter for maximum possible damage every single hit. --
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.05.10 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
There is nothing more efficient at it, taking insurance into account, as far as I'm aware. Megas can just about out DPS that but tracking and such - torps are just much better at hitting a freighter for maximum possible damage every single hit.
Up until the drone fix for concord it was a Domi and then the Mega took that spot until tracking got hammered hard.
But yes even with the missile fix its a Raven all the way since technically speaking there is no not hitting a freighter due to size, speed, etc.. |
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