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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:46:00 -
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My corp has run into a dilemma recently. We are in the Minmatar militia. We're recruiting at an accelerating rate, but this has caused our Minmatar Republic standings to drop significantly. It won't be long until they are so low that we would be in danger of getting booted from FW. I really do not want to close recruitment, or restrict it to only those with already good standings.
To counteract this, all new members are advised to run FW complexes and missions as they can. Still, it does not appear to be enough.
So, directed at the bigger alliances or corps in FW: how do you keep your standings afloat in the middle of a recruitment drive? Is there something that the directors can do to help, or is it just a "everyone go plexing all day everyday" campaign? What would you suggest? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
SigmaPi
Valkyr Industries Late Night Alliance
42
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:56:00 -
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Once you get a critical mass of people with good standings and as people run the lvl 4 missions, it becomes less and less of a problem. We've got about 40 people and all of them have pretty solid standings. That being said though, it sure was a problem for a while there - we just made the plex and grind standings. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
936
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:59:00 -
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SigmaPi wrote:Once you get a critical mass of people with good standings and as people run the lvl 4 missions, it becomes less and less of a problem. We've got about 40 people and all of them have pretty solid standings. That being said though, it sure was a problem for a while there - we just made the plex and grind standings. If people actually ran the L4 missions that would probably solve itself, but we are also a newbie corp, which means that most people a) cannot solo the missions and b) do not have standings for the mission.
Plus it's always more fun to go suicide a Rifter into TMFED than running missions, so actual pew pew holds far more of a draw than missioning. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
77
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:06:00 -
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Get an high standing members to grab missions then run them as a fleet with low standings members (and more importantly, hand them in as a fleet).
That will get those standings skyrocketing. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
177
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:24:00 -
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There are always going to be a few guys here and there that hold your standings down and aren't interested in getting them better. You can afford a few guys here & there if the bulk of your corp has decent standings.
CCP took away the ability to see standings to tell who had bad which sucks for a a corp in FW, but you have a work around. In FW you get Ranks which publicly show up in their decoration section on the char info. You can roughly judge the players faction standings by their Rank to the Militia.
Simply just make guys understand that they need to be willing to work on their rank if they intend to be in your FW corp. We do the corp fleet with missions as Chatgris said every so often but also encourage guys to go plex when we don't have gangs up. |
Koronakesh
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
60
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Posted - 2012.05.09 02:43:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:CCP took away the ability to see standings Only to the public. Corporate leadership still has the ability to see the standings of the people in their corp.
@OP You can also have the people run the datacenter / circle agents for a quick kick up for their standings. Since you're in minmatar, running the sets for Matari and Gallente (for derived standings boost) would be your choices, and they're all easy to knock out in a day. SASPR Amir al-Mu'minin and Eve Online Hold'Em Management |
Kuehnelt
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
36
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Posted - 2012.05.09 02:50:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:To counteract this, all new members are advised to run FW complexes and missions as they can.
Remove the 'and missions', and just tell them to run a set number of plexes. You gain ranks very fast at the outset, and each time you gain a rank you gain standing. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
177
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Posted - 2012.05.09 02:57:00 -
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Koronakesh wrote:Mutnin wrote:CCP took away the ability to see standings Only to the public. Corporate leadership still has the ability to see the standings of the people in their corp.
Where? I'm ceo of my corp and I can't see any of my guys standings just their rank.
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Koronakesh
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
60
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Posted - 2012.05.09 03:01:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Koronakesh wrote:Mutnin wrote:CCP took away the ability to see standings Only to the public. Corporate leadership still has the ability to see the standings of the people in their corp. Where? I'm ceo of my corp and I can't see any of my guys standings just their rank. Corp button -> Standings tab -> choose liked by / disliked by, then right-click any of the listed factions / corporations, then click "Show Compositions". It gives you a list of all the members who contribute to the standing and their individual standing to the selected faction / corporation. Hope that helps. SASPR Amir al-Mu'minin and Eve Online Hold'Em Management |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
252
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Posted - 2012.05.09 03:14:00 -
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You can add an API requirement to show their standings prior to recruitment, if its low but they haven't had any previous tours/rank gains in minmatar FW it can be easily remedied. |
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
177
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Posted - 2012.05.09 03:42:00 -
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Koronakesh wrote:Mutnin wrote:Koronakesh wrote:Mutnin wrote:CCP took away the ability to see standings Only to the public. Corporate leadership still has the ability to see the standings of the people in their corp. Where? I'm ceo of my corp and I can't see any of my guys standings just their rank. Corp button -> Standings tab -> choose liked by / disliked by, then right-click any of the listed factions / corporations, then click "Show Compositions". It gives you a list of all the members who contribute to the standing and their individual standing to the selected faction / corporation. Hope that helps.
Yea it does.. never knew you could see them that way.
Ty
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
940
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Posted - 2012.05.09 05:50:00 -
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Super Chair wrote:You can add an API requirement to show their standings prior to recruitment, if its low but they haven't had any previous tours/rank gains in minmatar FW it can be easily remedied. I may add this to the recruitment process.
Thanks for the tips about viewing standings progress. I may have to get on some of my members' cases, and I certainly will promote more plexing. Amarr people reading this: please come gank us. We promise we won't drop infinite Rifters on you. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
198
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Posted - 2012.05.09 06:45:00 -
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I assume you've looked at using pirate tags to boost standings?
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Data_Centers |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
941
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Posted - 2012.05.09 14:20:00 -
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No, I haven't! Will do. Thanks! Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
198
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Posted - 2012.05.09 14:56:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:No, I haven't! Will do. Thanks!
We did much the same as you want to do back in 2009. We managed to accommodate people who had -7 standing to Min Republic ,atlhough that got expensive.
Remember that the percentage increase is from your current standing to +10, so for example a +5% increase on someone with 3.0 results in an increase of 0.35 but a 5% increase on someone with 5.0 only gives 0.25 increase.
I'd suggest trying to bump up corp members so they hit the 1.0 standing as that will then give them access to a 2.8% and a 3.5% datacentre agent. That will get them from 1.0 to about 1.5 instantly.
Best of luck.
Edit - if you have anyone in corp with 5.0 standing to Min Republic then do the Angel Diamond tag first. The boost is pseudo-random but can be 10%+.
Edit2 - and for gods sakes don't buy from the sell order. Put up your own buy orders in Heimatar, Metropolis and Molden Heath, you should get plenty with the minimum of effort. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
403
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Posted - 2012.05.09 14:58:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:To counteract this, all new members are advised to run FW complexes and missions as they can. Remove the 'and missions', and just tell them to run a set number of plexes. You gain ranks very fast at the outset, and each time you gain a rank you gain standing.
Does running a minor plex bring you just as close to the next rank as running a major plex?
I know you don't get any benefit from running a defensive plex in a non contested system. However do you get closer to the next rank from running an offensive plex instead of a defensive plex in a contested system?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
941
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Posted - 2012.05.09 15:07:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Kuehnelt wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:To counteract this, all new members are advised to run FW complexes and missions as they can. Remove the 'and missions', and just tell them to run a set number of plexes. You gain ranks very fast at the outset, and each time you gain a rank you gain standing. Does running a minor plex bring you just as close to the next rank as running a major plex? I know you don't get any benefit from running a defensive plex in a non contested system. However do you get closer to the next rank from running an offensive plex instead of a defensive plex in a contested system? No clue on any of that. I'm not even sure if the victory points from plexes are split between everyone in the plex at completion time or not. For me, plexing is just throwing spaghetti at a wall and hoping it sticks, while also hoping that the cook next door comes running in to beat me with a dough roller so I get a fight. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Andiedeath
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
84
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Posted - 2012.05.10 07:17:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:My corp has run into a dilemma recently. We are in the Minmatar militia. We're recruiting at an accelerating rate, but this has caused our Minmatar Republic standings to drop significantly. It won't be long until they are so low that we would be in danger of getting booted from FW. I really do not want to close recruitment, or restrict it to only those with already good standings.
To counteract this, all new members are advised to run FW complexes and missions as they can. Still, it does not appear to be enough.
So, directed at the bigger alliances or corps in FW: how do you keep your standings afloat in the middle of a recruitment drive? Is there something that the directors can do to help, or is it just a "everyone go plexing all day everyday" campaign? What would you suggest?
We do something similar to others. Plexing and mission runs are ways good as promotions quickly raise your standings. Missions are also a good way to make isk and help now players become self suficient fast.
We also only allow pilots with 0.5+ raw standing with Minmatar and recently set up a progression corp in the alliance that will definitely assist with any standings issues. We have found both these haven't deterred potential recruits and infact make sure that the pilots we do get are serious about militia. Also yes we have also found recruitment has increased exponentially in the last few weeks.
And I'll admit I see more Amarr in our timezone which is fantastic. I like to have to shoot at... |
Dare Knight
The 0ffice of Secret Intelligence The 0ffice
4
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:47:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:My corp has run into a dilemma recently. We are in the Minmatar militia. We're recruiting at an accelerating rate, but this has caused our Minmatar Republic standings to drop significantly. It won't be long until they are so low that we would be in danger of getting booted from FW. I really do not want to close recruitment, or restrict it to only those with already good standings.
To counteract this, all new members are advised to run FW complexes and missions as they can. Still, it does not appear to be enough.
So, directed at the bigger alliances or corps in FW: how do you keep your standings afloat in the middle of a recruitment drive? Is there something that the directors can do to help, or is it just a "everyone go plexing all day everyday" campaign? What would you suggest?
Have them run all their Minmatar tutorial schools (3 schools, 5 agents each). Some advice:
1) Train Social to 3 or 4, 5 if you're dedicated 2) On the scanning tutorial agent, there are almost always contracts up for the Proof of Discovery items. Means you only have to undock once to run the entire tutorial chain. 3) Train Connections, too, as this will help 4) All in all, if you're dedicated, you can have all three schools done in an afternoon.
If you want extra kudo standings, do the Gallente ones, too. With Social 5 and Connections 5, I had my Gallente/Minmatar standings to 5 when it was all said and done. |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2012.05.10 21:18:00 -
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Why not establish a minimum faction standing for recruits? Say, 3.0 minimum? Would that negatively affect your recruitment drive? What requirements do you guys have for recruitment (and others, for that matter)? |
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Dare Knight
The 0ffice of Secret Intelligence The 0ffice
7
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Posted - 2012.05.10 21:45:00 -
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Katja Faith wrote:Why not establish a minimum faction standing for recruits? Say, 3.0 minimum? Would that negatively affect your recruitment drive? What requirements do you guys have for recruitment (and others, for that matter)?
Ideally if you wanted to mass recruit folks, I'd say it's good to bring on anyone that doesn't have negative standing and help them mission/tutorial/datacenter up their standings as a service to folks. Shows initiative from the corp instead of just "Oh, you don't meet x criteria, you aren't welcome". At least from my viewpoint I'd feel better about the corp I was joining if they were willing to help me meet the criteria instead of just passing me along. And you can recruit more people en masse that way and be sure that you've passed on that knowledge for them in the future. |
Andiedeath
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
85
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Posted - 2012.05.11 11:08:00 -
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Dare Knight wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:My corp has run into a dilemma recently. We are in the Minmatar militia. We're recruiting at an accelerating rate, but this has caused our Minmatar Republic standings to drop significantly. It won't be long until they are so low that we would be in danger of getting booted from FW. I really do not want to close recruitment, or restrict it to only those with already good standings.
To counteract this, all new members are advised to run FW complexes and missions as they can. Still, it does not appear to be enough.
So, directed at the bigger alliances or corps in FW: how do you keep your standings afloat in the middle of a recruitment drive? Is there something that the directors can do to help, or is it just a "everyone go plexing all day everyday" campaign? What would you suggest? Have them run all their Minmatar tutorial schools (3 schools, 5 agents each). Some advice: 1) Train Social to 3 or 4, 5 if you're dedicated 2) On the scanning tutorial agent, there are almost always contracts up for the Proof of Discovery items. Means you only have to undock once to run the entire tutorial chain. 3) Train Connections, too, as this will help 4) All in all, if you're dedicated, you can have all three schools done in an afternoon. If you want extra kudo standings, do the Gallente ones, too. With Social 5 and Connections 5, I had my Gallente/Minmatar standings to 5 when it was all said and done. A poster above also mentioned the tags for datacenters. It costs around 500m to buy out all the tags you need (at least it did for my Gallente tags) for your faction. Obviously double that for your allies faction, too, assuming they're priced comparably. Then there's always farming them...
Just a reminder social skills do nothing for republic standings (with regards to Militia) as only raw standings are taken into account. ;) |
Dare Knight
The 0ffice of Secret Intelligence The 0ffice
8
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:15:00 -
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Andiedeath wrote:Just a reminder social skills do nothing for republic standings (with regards to Militia) as only raw standings are taken into account. ;)
Not arguing the point, just trying to make sure that's correct. After Social V, running all the tutorial agents for my faction and allied faction, my raw standings were at 3.8. After completing Blood Stained Stars epic arc, they're around 4 something. That's raw standing, not after Connections. It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
68
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Posted - 2012.05.11 21:06:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Get an high standing members to grab missions then run them as a fleet with low standings members (and more importantly, hand them in as a fleet).
That will get those standings skyrocketing. This
All vets with lvl 4 agents should be running missions with the new guys and splitting the LP and standings, was how we always did it. Takes app. 2 weeks for a new guy to have access to lvl 4 agents ( and associated standings)if he is running missions daily with a guy pulling lvl 4 FW missions. |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
68
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Posted - 2012.05.11 21:08:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:SigmaPi wrote:Once you get a critical mass of people with good standings and as people run the lvl 4 missions, it becomes less and less of a problem. We've got about 40 people and all of them have pretty solid standings. That being said though, it sure was a problem for a while there - we just made the plex and grind standings. If people actually ran the L4 missions that would probably solve itself, but we are also a newbie corp, which means that most people a) cannot solo the missions and b) do not have standings for the mission. Plus it's always more fun to go suicide a Rifter into TMFED than running missions, so actual pew pew holds far more of a draw than missioning. You are NOT going to get standings up if no time or effort is put into it, plain and simple. |
Ymmi Stenson
Aquila Crysaetos
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 12:48:00 -
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Andiedeath wrote:Dare Knight wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:My corp has run into a dilemma recently. We are in the Minmatar militia. We're recruiting at an accelerating rate, but this has caused our Minmatar Republic standings to drop significantly. It won't be long until they are so low that we would be in danger of getting booted from FW. I really do not want to close recruitment, or restrict it to only those with already good standings.
To counteract this, all new members are advised to run FW complexes and missions as they can. Still, it does not appear to be enough.
So, directed at the bigger alliances or corps in FW: how do you keep your standings afloat in the middle of a recruitment drive? Is there something that the directors can do to help, or is it just a "everyone go plexing all day everyday" campaign? What would you suggest? Have them run all their Minmatar tutorial schools (3 schools, 5 agents each). Some advice: 1) Train Social to 3 or 4, 5 if you're dedicated 2) On the scanning tutorial agent, there are almost always contracts up for the Proof of Discovery items. Means you only have to undock once to run the entire tutorial chain. 3) Train Connections, too, as this will help 4) All in all, if you're dedicated, you can have all three schools done in an afternoon. If you want extra kudo standings, do the Gallente ones, too. With Social 5 and Connections 5, I had my Gallente/Minmatar standings to 5 when it was all said and done. A poster above also mentioned the tags for datacenters. It costs around 500m to buy out all the tags you need (at least it did for my Gallente tags) for your faction. Obviously double that for your allies faction, too, assuming they're priced comparably. Then there's always farming them... Just a reminder social skills do nothing for republic standings (with regards to Militia) as only raw standings are taken into account. ;) Connections doesn-Št help, but Social skill sure does help. |
Dare Knight
The 0ffice of Secret Intelligence
8
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Posted - 2012.05.12 16:23:00 -
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No, connections only helps with things like agent missions (the agents are based off of the total standing AFTER connections), but for raw standings, Social V and all 6 schools, plus the Sisters epic arc and doing the datacenters, REALLY puts you in primo standing. I'm anxious to finish all the datacenters and see where my standings end up falling.
Also, good to note (in case anyone reading didn't already know), 5.0+ faction standing after connections unlocks ALL lvl4 agents in the entire faction. Obviously if you have 5.0 standings using my above stated method, you probably have it for both you and your allies faction as well, opening up a HUGE amount of Lvl4 agents.
Something I've never looked into, though, is if Jump Clones are calculated after connections, and if so, are they calculated based on just the corporation's standings or does an 8.0 (wow) faction standing unlock them everywhere? It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
35
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Posted - 2012.05.12 20:42:00 -
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Probably already been mentioned, but why not throw them at the frontline in Rifters and have them run plexes. Go defensive at first is my suggestion. Quit Crying and Just Suck It Up |
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