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Soutiken Jin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:40:00 -
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Ok, yep it's another rant. Im fairly new to this game, can fly a BC ok. Tried missioning/mining, found them boring. Exploration took my fancy, i gave it a try and I quite enjoy it. Unfortunaly, what really bakes my noodle is when i clear a complex and some dude warps in with a tengu, pops the last rat while i have full agro, takes loot and leaves. Ive also been 90% into killing the last npc and the same thing happened, last hit > loot > warp out.
I mean seriously, eve pve isn't all that fun without me having to deal with this as well. Sometimes it could take me 1-2 hrs to actually find a decent compex and 15-45 mins to run it. Im doing it to finance my eve play not to have a blast so is a waste of my prescious time. Im sure i'll get plenty of people telling me to harden up but its certianly not my idea of fun when i cant do a thing about it. In low/null sec i totally understand, if you have the balls to take your tengu there i think you deserve to be able to force me out of a complex.
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:54:00 -
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if you do not like competition, try less populated systems. it's pretty easy to find quiet places even in hisec. hint: gurista space between jita and amarr is not one of them ;) |
Backfire Kitty
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.09 13:02:00 -
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1. find some less occupied systems via ingame map or evemaps.dotlan.net. Check jumps, or rats killed 2. dont worry to visit full range of hisec systems 1.0 - 0.5 3. be faster with better ship 4. stop QQing this is EVE ^^ |
Soutiken Jin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.09 13:39:00 -
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While i still think its BS, at least you guys have given me some some constructive ideas. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2012.05.09 13:49:00 -
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Living in hisec is the most common cause of frustration and negative feelings. You need to deal with clueless bears, or pathetic gankers there, and get practically nothing in exchange.
Move out, and take your success and justice in your own hands. Also, much less competition
(If you really have to stay there for some strange reason, train for a dual-prop Ishtar, and you will win the Tengus) ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
156
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Posted - 2012.05.09 13:55:00 -
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Is is the same guy doing it over and over? if so, put him on your watch list so you know when he comes online. Also pay attention to local to see if some possible thieves are snooping around. On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |
Tomcio FromFarAway
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.09 15:35:00 -
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This is a pvp game so you have to expect player competition in nearly all areas of the game and hisec competition is the only thing making hisec exploration exciting
If you don't like competition then just move to lowsec. You will have to deal with some pirates from time to time but it might be better for you ( just try it ).
Another solution : use more appropriate ship for this. Any T3 can work in hisec just fine (not just the Tengu). Like Roime suggested - Dual prop Ishtar is a good choice ( and a good way to **** with those Tengu pilots, who want to steal your loot ).
Flying in a less crowded systems can also help. Just look at the world map-->Active Pilots that should give you a hint where to look.
But the best thing you can actually do is this : Get out of hisec nao Seriously mate it is much better ( for most activities - exploration included ) and it's not that bad as some people say. |
XXSketchxx
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:17:00 -
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Pvp goes beyond combat, who knew? |
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:33:00 -
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Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:This is a pvp game so you have to expect player competition in nearly all areas of the game and hisec competition is the only thing making hisec exploration exciting If you don't like competition then just move to lowsec. You will have to deal with some pirates from time to time but it might be better for you ( just try it ). Another solution : use more appropriate ship for this. Any T3 can work in hisec just fine (not just the Tengu). Like Roime suggested - Dual prop Ishtar is a good choice ( and a good way to **** with those Tengu pilots, who want to steal your loot ). Flying in a less crowded systems can also help. Just look at the world map-->Active Pilots that should give you a hint where to look. But the best thing you can actually do is this : Get out of hisec nao Seriously mate it is much better ( for most activities - exploration included ) and it's not that bad as some people say.
OK, kind of a pet peeve of mine. Poster says he's new, and is OK at flying a BC. You counter with "fly a T3" and "dual prop Ishtar". This isn't useful advice considering training times and money involved. You had good points, but not exactly helpful for an obviously newer player.
I have to say though that going to low sec IS great advice. The tricks you will learn dodging pierats will end up coming in handy if you ever get into more PVP or head to null or w-space. |
Caldari Citizen 786478786
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:54:00 -
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OllieNorth wrote:OK, kind of a pet peeve of mine. Poster says he's new, and is OK at flying a BC. You counter with "fly a T3" and "dual prop Ishtar". This isn't useful advice considering training times and money involved.
What are you smoking? It's great advice for a noob to spend 2-3 months training for a T2 or T3 cruiser. Not only does it give the noob something to focus on, it lets them pilot some of the most versatile ships in EVE and will give them a chance to compete in whichever endeavor they embark on. And, as for cost, you only need 2-3 good drops out of Highsec DED sites to pay for a blinged out T3. |
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XXSketchxx
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:55:00 -
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OllieNorth wrote: OK, kind of a pet peeve of mine. Poster says he's new, and is OK at flying a BC. You counter with "fly a T3" and "dual prop Ishtar". This isn't useful advice considering training times and money involved. You had good points, but not exactly helpful for an obviously newer player.
I have to say though that going to low sec IS great advice. The tricks you will learn dodging pierats will end up coming in handy if you ever get into more PVP or head to null or w-space.
Perfectly sound advice actually.
Buy plex, sell plex for isk. Buy character with skills. Buy appropriate ship. It works and believe it or not, people do this. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:01:00 -
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That's the nature of exploration. I met quite a few friends racing to complete sites. Get friendly with them, if they get to know you they'll probably leave you alone next time around. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
XXSketchxx
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:12:00 -
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Or you'll end up having friendly races.
In the high sec string behind Aunenen I made a friend who mainly hangs out there. One day I came across a system with 2x GSO and a Gurista Watch. We ended up racing all 3 of them, starting with the Watch.
It was a good time and we were both pretty amicable about it. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:23:00 -
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how bout kill his ass
problem solved . |
Kriatta D'Lor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:28:00 -
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This happened to me in high-sec the other day and it was super annoying. Will kill eventually. |
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:16:00 -
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It happens sometimes, more often if the complex is interesting. Yeah it is.... sad.
Fighting in a DED is a race and you have to know what are the triggers at least: be always prepared to shoot them to grief the griefers or trying to get at least something (IE an escalation).
Sometimes you will just be ******: the guy can have a better/faster ship and comes at the right moment. Do the same. I have been stolen and I have stolen the loots.
All you have to know is that all EVE players are morons and stealers. Each guy you see on local wants to come in your complex to steal the shinnies. Once you 'll fly knowing this you'll be fine
Short time trader, short term missionner, long term ambitions.
Bring justice to EVE:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1171333 |
XXSketchxx
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:25:00 -
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Ank Parkor wrote:Yeah it is.... sad.
competition is sad? ok
Quote: All you have to know is that all EVE players are morons and stealers.
That's mean. |
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:29:00 -
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I explore to fund my ships too. 1-2 hours also to find a decent site. If someone happens to be in the site already, the game is on. I'm not going to fly around for even more hours to find a plex with somebody already in it.There is no rule in eve that says: the first one in the plex is the owner. That's some arbitrary made up rule made by someone I don't acknowledge as a rulemaker. I play by MY rules, and my rules are: what's not in your cargo (or should I say station) isn't yours yet.
Having this mentality will make the game much less frustrating. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose. |
Soutiken Jin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:32:00 -
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OllieNorth wrote:Poster says he's new, and is OK at flying a BC. You counter with "fly a T3" and "dual prop Ishtar". This isn't useful advice considering training times and money involved. You had good points, but not exactly helpful for an obviously newer player.
I have to say though that going to low sec IS great advice. The tricks you will learn dodging pierats will end up coming in handy if you ever get into more PVP or head to null or w-space.
Yeah, you are right if i want to fly a t3 it would be a long train for me. Im an armor tanked drone user so trying to get into a tengu means i will have to train shields and missiles. It seems all t3's aren't equal, so its kind of tengu or its nothing for this purpose. I am going for the ishtar though so in a few months things will improve lol.
Quote:how bout kill his ass
problem solved
Would love to except a) he would kick my ass, b) its in high sec lol. I mark all of these guys red with a note attatched but the reality is i prob wont ever get the chance.
Quote: competition is sad? ok
Yes in this case. Its uneven competition, you kill the rats then some else with a bigger ship and 5x sp gets he reward. When youve been exploring for a week and found nada, and this happens, it basically wipes away all of your profit lol and to be honest wipes away my desire to play eve. Perhaps we should make it that its a race for mission rewards too? I mean "this is eve" and it houses some of the biggest badasses around.
Quote:I play by MY rules, and my rules are: what's not in your cargo (or should I say station) isn't yours yet.
Fair enough, its just not in my nature to do this.
Moving to low sec is the best idea. Ive kind of tried and i cant yet tank the sites there sufficiently. Would be sitting there for 2 hours waiting to get ganked. Last time i was there someone pretty much one shot my vexor but i didn't even know i had to turn my hardners on lol. At least if a tengu does this in low sec i can round up some friends and he can become the new shiny.
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Melina Lin
Universal Frog
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:46:00 -
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Soutiken Jin wrote:...when i clear a complex ...
If there is one rule of high sec exploration it's to blitz everything. Once you are in the last room go for the overseer with your drones and run away from him. Your drone control range doesn't matter once drones have been assigned to a job. You can range tank everything. Bookmark wreck and flee. Warp back to wreck once the site has de-spawned.
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Diamonica Norya
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.09 23:25:00 -
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Soutiken Jin wrote:Ive also been 90% into killing the last npc and the same thing happened, last hit > loot > warp out.
Apparently by the wiki, it says the party that does most dmg to the rat owns the wreck, if you're 90% killing it, the wreck should be your's and you'd be able to shoot him for stealing. of course, if he's not flashy, i guess he just out dps'ed you in killing the overseer.
then again, if you got full aggro, you'd want to hunt him down under different circumstances, you know, a lot of ppl who flies tengu and doing highsec plex don't have pvp fits either, you might get the kill while the aggression timer is live.
other than that...make friends, or move to quieter regions like other ppl said. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
193
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Posted - 2012.05.09 23:26:00 -
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I don't have an issue with competition. But IMO I would love to see complexes work a little differently. There was an MMO I played a long time ago that had elements like this.
For plexes without gates, free for all. No issue there.
For plexes with gates. If you hit the first room and you have to clear the rats to unlock the gate, the gate unlocks for a short period. Then re locks. Someone coming after you would have to wait for the first room to respawn and then clear it to get through (I dunno 2-5 min respawn timer?)
In this case if you make it to the last room first, you at least get a window of opportunity before someone comes in to beat you.
While I don't mind competition, it does seem a bit unfair that someone can come in after you, and basically get a free ride to the last room. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.05.09 23:34:00 -
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It's just another negative effect of High Sec having crimewatch and CONCORD together with high payout PvE. Although you can end up shooting each other over stolen can loot. This doesn't have to a be a losing proposition for you as a new low SP player. If you know there's someone else in the system that will kill the Overseer before you can, let them jump in and take all the aggro first, then go for the Overseer yourself or just try to Ninja the loot. Think about it... It doesn't matter if they have a faction fitted Tengu, all you need is a T1 frig and you can still be the one that walks away with the goodies. Yes they might shoot you, but then many will not for fear that it's a trap to gain shooting rights on their expensive Tengu. |
For'um Falt
Da NPC Corp.
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Posted - 2012.05.09 23:40:00 -
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It's fairly well balanced to be honest:
Hi-sec exploration - you compete with professional explorers
Lo-sec exploration - you evade profesional pirates
In either case it's not easy to be a new player and in all cases there will be someone in a better ship with better skills who will make you unhappy.
Missioning is special because most of the time it's super easy - they have a very nice introductory curve which is very friendly to newer players. Exploration, as many other professions in Eve, is not. Missioning gives that wrong idea that the game should adapt to your skills somehow and should give you content which is all yours and just right for your current skills.
Unlike missioning, there is no Level 1 or Level 2 Exploration. Plexes are either valuable or not. If they are, someone better is already doing them in hi-sec regardless of whether you are present in them or not.
I started exploration when I could barely fly a Drake and it was many moons ago. It will get better if you will stick to it but starting is hard no matter what. Regardless whether you do it in hi-sec or low. And I have lost more than one plex to shiny Tengus in hi-sec and I have lost more than one shiny Tengu in low-sec. You want to do exploration just be ready for all that crap. Learn, adapt, and things will change to the better.
i am a dude playing-áa dude disguised as another dude |
Tarn Kugisa
Space Mongolian Pinked
76
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Posted - 2012.05.10 02:33:00 -
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Sjugar wrote:I explore to fund my ships too. 1-2 hours also to find a decent site. If someone happens to be in the site already, the game is on. I'm not going to fly around for even more hours to find a plex with somebody already in it.There is no rule in eve that says: the first one in the plex is the owner. That's some arbitrary made up rule made by someone I don't acknowledge as a rulemaker. I play by MY rules, and my rules are: what's not in your cargo (or should I say station) isn't yours yet.
Having this mentality will make the game much less frustrating. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose.
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Sefner
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.10 04:16:00 -
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Its only stealing if they loot a can/wreck that is flagged as yours and even then its a part of the game. Learn to blitz the sites as other people have suggested.
Also you seem to be under the impression that a Tengu is the only way to go if you want an exploration T3. I would hesitate to use a Legion solo for exploring (especially in Guristas space cos of the jamming) but as you sound like you are Gallente trained there is nothing wrong with a Proteus in that role. Invest in a decent MWD and you will outrun and outgun pretty much anyone jumping into "your" sites. Ishtar is also more than sufficient for the task.
I will hold my hands up and say I have jumped in on people running complexes and beaten them to the drop. How you respond to that happening will determine the outcome. If you msg them and have a little rant about them "stealing your site" they will (99.9% of the time) point and laugh and welcome you to Eve. If you msg them saying "wow thanks for the help, that last spawn nearly had me. Im pretty new to this and you seem to know what you are doing - any advice?" they will more than likely at least be civilised and maybe even split the value of whatever dropped with you (I have done this - it happens).
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St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
772
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:42:00 -
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You should infiltrate his alliance, slowly work your way to the top, then rob them blind and disband them! |
Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
54
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Posted - 2012.05.10 08:49:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:For plexes with gates. If you hit the first room and you have to clear the rats to unlock the gate, the gate unlocks for a short period. Then re locks. Someone coming after you would have to wait for the first room to respawn and then clear it to get through (I dunno 2-5 min respawn timer?)
So you want to have a safe spot (even if only temporarily)? As much as i dislike losing out against other ppl in complexes (and in lowsec this means gtfo much earlier if i don't have the means to put up a fight), this is a bad idea.
There imo might be a discussion about combat probing being 'too easy' now with all the formation resizing keys and so on, compared to time it takes to run complexes, but i am not sure if it is really an issue.
Sefner wrote:but as you sound like you are Gallente trained there is nothing wrong with a Proteus in that role. Invest in a decent MWD and you will outrun and outgun pretty much anyone jumping into "your" sites. Ishtar is also more than sufficient for the task.
And have to get in the face of every single rat. :( I'll take my ishtar over proteus any time. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
772
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Posted - 2012.05.10 09:20:00 -
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Also, if you do Radars, set the character "Mnemosyne Gloob" as -10/red because he is a Radar thief and will steal your sites :O
Also, the locking plexes is a terrible idea, EVE is all about being able to gatecrash people's parties whenever you want |
VIP Ares
BALKAN EXPRESS
39
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Posted - 2012.05.11 07:49:00 -
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Go out of high sec. Then kill him when he tries to do so. http://vipares.griefwatch.net |
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