We want to avoid making a knee jerk panic decision.. so we are reading all the feedback before making a change. We are only talking short term changes, we will consider long-term redesigns after the Summer.

people who hold down a talk button for too long?

Why did you guys force the incursion control to 0% over downtime?

You know, I really miss the old OTA's. It was fun balancing the amount of DPS being left on the field versus completing a site faster. It was great having actual choices. Now? Your fleet comp is super freaking more important than before. You really can't have people flying sub optimal ships otherwise you won't be able to break that mara's tank in a reasonable amount of time. It makes introducing people to vanguards much more difficult. There are no decisions, everything must burn... why not have some heavy dps ships be skippable just to get sites done faster. It creates risk and actually allows fleets some slack to hoist themselves upon their petard.

Regarding VG vs Assault vs HQ. Seriously, I hate Assault/HQ sites. It makes the fleeting experience so much less personal as you're now just a cog in the TVP machine. Don't get me wrong, I think the fc's are great and all, but its just so much harder to nail down multiboxers, slackers, and afkers in those larger fleets. Its definitely not as social when you've got 3-4 people hogging the comms all site long and leaving the other 30-40 people in the quiet zone.

What guys? TEST isn't really running incursions right now.

Total hypothetical talk here.. but how would you feel about, long-term, Scouts being proper training grounds - mirroring vanguard type risk with more hints/tutorials and less reward? Geared towards settling new members into the community.

You guys are awesome :)

Exactly, Incursions are all about community's, Yes there is **** community's like ISN who people hate or BTL, SSN, sUmmer and tons more that people love, But we are all doing the same thing, Having a great time, Incursions stopped me from quitting EVE Online, The reason why i like to Log into EVE Online is being part of a community, Having great guys to fly with, Not only that a lot of people have been given more opertunitys doing Incursions, Proving that they are not good a pvp but a AWESOME HQ Logistic or a Epic Drone bunny.

Yes Incursions have been Nerfed but i feel that they needed too, Not this much of course, This makes us aware of how good we had it, This is our wake up call, Of course CCP is going to make it harder to earn Isk in Incursions, This is why we are in these community's to adapt and overcome the challenge as a group.

Regardless of the Trolls or Off Topic post's, In-between them are Fantastic idea's and opinions, What makes this even better is that CCP is really looking into what you said, This isn't like WOW, Where they just fling it to the back of their mailbox, My view of CCP has changed completely due to these Incursion threads, It shows they care about there playerbase.

Yes they have not been 100% on the Dev Blogs stating all the Information and missing key points, At least they admit it, I feel that Inferno is starting to improve.


Note: To all who have not tried Incursions, Get into a Maelstrom and Join BTL Pub and then you will see how awesome they are :P

Total hypothetical talk here.. but how would you feel about, long-term, Scouts being proper training grounds - mirroring vanguard type risk with more hints/tutorials and less reward? Geared towards settling new members into the community.

If i'm up and sitting by my chair, ill give you advice on fittings too!
spank you to shape along with others and get you all going!

I just don't understand all the effort that goes into messing around with existing content and frankly pissing off people that

"Pay to Play"

Seriously...

You took away the reason the crowd was there " to make isk" and gave them absolutely nothing else to do but *****.

Add new missions, and new complexes, add new enemys, add stuff that gives things that draws in a crowd and that is how you keep your paying customers happy..

Change up the game down to the core, randomize moon materials every month would be a start..

Imagine having to re-discover where the good moon goo stuff was again and defend it.. Talk about serious space conflcts on a on-going basis. Re-Randomize every few months to keep people on thier toes.

Extend all skills to trainable to L6.. Give 100 Million SP players something to train for.

Spawn "Complexes" that also include unpiloted ships that players could to switch into for that single use spawn.

In short, congrats you killed the reason the crowd liked incursions, but really I rather see you actually add true content to the game.

Hello. First things first: on behalf of the Incursion group within TEST Alliance I'd like to thank you for making an honest effort to keep incursions from dying off.

We all agree that the isk/hr was too high. 120m/hr was crazy. We don't need that.

I just want to make sure that you don't forget those of us who primarily lowsec incursion. Don't make the mistake of implementing too many highsec-centric fixes, as they run their incursions in a vastly different way from the way we do.

Something I'd personally like to see to justify the 90m/hr that highsec incursioners can currently pull in is getting rid of CONCORD in the incursion constellation. Does it make sense, from a fluff standpoint, that Sansha has the constellation locked down, yet CONCORD can still come in and wantonly enforce the law?

The constellations are cynojammed, which means no jump drives, which should count for CONCORD as well.

Leave the station and gate guns, leave the sec hits and GCC, get rid of CONCORD spawning. It would make up for the extremely low risk and effort situation that they currently have, and might even encourage some vigilante PvP, which could be pretty cool.

I believe that lowsec incursions should be the most valuable, due to the fact that lowsec is uncontrollable. In nullsec, it's relatively easy for one person to lock down the incursion constellation, or at the very least get a reigons worth of warning before hostile gangs show up to try and ruin your jewing time, and you can increase the time it takes for hostile gangs to mobilize in the actual VG/Assault systems by anchoring a ton of drag bubbles everywhere.

I understand that the Revenant BPC only drops in lowsec, but that isn't really a factor to consider towards lowsec being more rewarding, since the Revenant is an undesirable ship in its current state.

Lastly, I would like you to consider lowering the LP reward multiplier (independently of the ISK reward multiplier) for highsec. The extreme amount of LP that the highsec incursions pull in is making them virtually worthless.

Thanks again!

Firstly i would like to say on how wrong you are, Incursions needed to be Nerfed, Are you aware that people made insane amount of isk per day, I will give you some Information about my Wallet regarding Incursions.

Herr Ronin's Wallet Review

Isk Per Hour: 130-160 Million

Hours Put In Each Day: 4-6 Hours

How Much Was I Earning: If i was lucky and Blitzing OTA wall's i would be earning : 700 - 900 Million Per Day.


Now you are telling us that CCP didn't need to Nerf Incursions, I think you need to look into the subject a bit more, I am aware that public fleets were not earning that much, Are you aware that there was many Blitzing community's like ISN, There was around five to seven of them, So calculate these community's running two Vanguard fleets 24/7

personally, i would prefer the sites to be soloable but that's just me. if i were a dev rather than a player, i would probably try and make the scout sites more like VGs but easier, maybe targeted to a 4-5 man battlecruiser gang. that way new players could train target calling and spider tanking (and not be afraid to lose shiny pirate BSs) while more experienced players could still get decent payout by grinding scout sites with three or even only two chars on grid.

Ratting in Nullsec: 75-140 million per hour

Yes, the ISK generation of high sec incursions needed to be nerfed. However, for lowsec/nullsec incursions, the ISK payout wasn't too far out-of-balance. Solo ratting is easy, can be done instantly with little coordination. Incursions in lowsec/nullsec require a certain # of participants, coordination, and the necessity to dedicate pilots for scouting, as these fleets attract PVP'ers looking to get expensive kills.

True but the majority of people like to Bear in high sec, There is risk's in Null and Low that people just do not want to take, So they need to keep the Balance with High Sec and Null Sec, But respect that people like High Sec more than Null, I am one of the people, I just love high sec, Always have done.

A lot of people don't mind the risk, but there's a difference between risk and stupidity.
That difference is an AHAC fleet which stands up very well in close range PvP against a wide range of fleet compositions versus a Nightmare / Machariel fleet that acts as a gank magnet and is not a proper PvP gang at all.

Vanguards in lowsec were great, but they're useless now.

Ratting in Nullsec: 75-140 million per hour

Yes, the ISK generation of high sec incursions needed to be nerfed. However, for lowsec/nullsec incursions, the ISK payout wasn't too far out-of-balance. Solo ratting is easy, can be done instantly with little coordination. Incursions in lowsec/nullsec require a certain # of participants, coordination, and the necessity to dedicate pilots for scouting, as these fleets attract PVP'ers looking to get expensive kills.