And so we (20 people) wait till ONE enemy leaves us. 30 minutes, 1 hour, 1,5 hours ...

Seriously it cant be CCP-&s intent that ONE person is able to stop 20 other players from playing and force them to play another game or if the 20 people take out there pvp ships that than the one player can bring an instant kill fleet on them in a second

Dont misunderstand me i dont want caerbar in 0.0 but to bring a instant unknown fleet without any chance to counter it is ridiculous.

I say: "boring" and i get the answer: "play another game till he is gone or watch an film, we cant do anything against him"
The same thing happens each day since i play eve.

what does your complaint have to do with cloaking and why attack cloaking to effect a nerf on ships not cyno'ed in yet.

Do not ships that cyno in eventually put themselves at risk by virtue of the fact they commit to battle?

... actually not a bad set of suggestions...

So a cloaker cannot stop you from playing the game. He just can stop you to be a lonely carebear. If you're a carebear only, then, well, diversify your character or get an alt.

EvE is cruel, especially in 0.0 and that shouldn't change. LowSec dudes already complain about 0.0 being not risky enough, so stop trying to wipe out one of those risks from 0.0.

no its not. Its eve.
Local is ridiculous for intel, cyno fleets are just a counter to that.


yes. Its your fault being unable/too stupid for other things in eve apart of ratting.
Move on.
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I think the fellow's testimony pointed out one of the issues with this. It is not that the cyno started an interesting fight against 5 guys.
He knew the fleet backing him would simply steam-roller over five ships as easily as one. He never would have popped that cyno if he had any doubts.

A cyno pilot knows a bait ship when they see it. Seriously, noone is naive enough to believe a 50 million sp character just decides to go ratting when their presence is known to be in system.

Remember, that cyno pilot is not their to give kill mails from themselves, and they probably know better than to place any ships who might jump, into actual danger.

They are simply not at risk, compared to what they are able to do.

there is always a risk of counter hotdrop

If the answer to an in-game problem is "play another game" and the game developers refuse to fix it, that game is doomed.

Period.

It's been a good run though, I wonder if the decline will be worth sticking around for?

It is not that cynos are overpowered on their own.

They were never intended to be combined with cloaks with this effective result.

It is the cloak element which makes them wildly OP.

Possibly, but improbable to a high degree.

and by the very use of this tactic they show themselves to be risk averse min-maxxers.

never intended to be used on ships with cloaks? i didnt read far into this thread and already decided its filled with lunacy

I am new to eve.

The game is funny but that cloaked cyno thing is ridiculous.

Here my story:

I am in a corp which lives in 0.0 sec.
20 people in local.
Than comes a enemy in our system.
I say as a new player: "Hey lets attack him!"
But then i understand that we cant find him becouse he is cloaked.
Then i say: "ok lets bait him i go ratting"
But then i got explained that he could be equiped with a cynothing and that he can put it out in a second and than its possible that hundrets of his friends come through it and we are all dead.
I say "OK what do we do know?"
The answer is "Waiting till he gos"
And so we (20 people) wait till ONE enemy leaves us. 30 minutes, 1 hour, 1,5 hours ...
I say: "boring" and i get the answer: "play another game till he is gone or watch an film, we cant do anything against him"
The same thing happens each day since i play eve.

Seriously it cant be CCP-&s intent that ONE person is able to stop 20 other players from playing and force them to play another game or if the 20 people take out there pvp ships that than the one player can bring an instant kill fleet on them in a second, how it happend as one day 5 of us tried to bait the stealther in which they succeeded and in an instant 14 enemys hotdroped through a cyno and killed the 5 of us.

I mean i want a fight and not a carnage. This stealth cyno thing is like an endgame high level player is griefing an lowlevel beginner in games like Swtor, aoc, wow ....
The only differnece is that in EvE the high level player gets a reward in form of loot.

Dont misunderstand me i dont want caerbar in 0.0 but to bring a instant unknown fleet without any chance to counter it is ridiculous.
No spawntime for the cyno
+ no possibility to detect the enemy ship with the cynothing
= really stupid pvp mechanik.

news at eleven: eve players are risk averse

Most of their targets, as well as a good percentage of all PvPers, want to have interesting fights before one side or the other hands out those kill mails.

Not very interesting when you never had a chance to flee or fight.

For me the problem is not that a ship can decloak and instantly light up a cyno.
It's just the thing that a few dozens of Bs's could bridge through and ruin my day =D

Therefore i would be glad if jumped/bridged ships would land at some distance from the cyno.
Lets say if you jump/bridge in from 7LY away, you will land 7AU away from the cyno.
Jumping/bridging from 1LY brings you to 1AU distance.

This doesn't stop anyone from dropping 1000 ships into a hostile system, it just prevents the hotdrop and gives the target a few seconds to (at least try to) kill the cynoship and GTFO

On the other side it also would prevent the jumping right in the dockingrange of a camped station wich could be fun to

Not to be opportunistic, but this is partly what I am talking about. Leemi just suggested a different way to make the event strategic instead of tactical.

I love the idea of cyno dropping ships behind enemy lines. But if all they do is shoot once and pop out again, I feel cheated of a fight.

if the cyno is changed this way, how do I hotdrop gatecampers then? Cyno is the only mean of getting them with their pants down. They place scout alts in adjacent systems and simply GTFO if something of danger be inbound.

its the whole idea of covert cyno, get in, kill the target and GTFO again. Its how you fight against a numerical superior enemy.

its the whole idea of covert cyno, get in, kill the target and GTFO again. Its how you fight against a numerical superior enemy.

you cant "fix" games for players only able to play a tiny part of them,
its like tayloring chess for retards who can only move pieces from left to right -> its not possible.
However this doesnt mean the game itself is broken.

But isn't the goal of hotdropping a gatecamp to make this camp vanish ?
You could still drop near the gate, regroup and shoot them (if they are still there). Otherwise the mission would be accomplished because they GTFO

I thought the initial intend for the covert cyno was to bring bomber fleet into a cyno jammed system to take out the jammer, so the main fleet could dismantle the system. Not to hotdrop single bears

You might lose a couple of killmails, yes, but you will get so many more because of the numbers of pilots who stop hiding from risk. You will net more kills overall this way.

What game do you play while waiting for the nullbears to come out of their station?

eve or if I'm fed up with eve for a moment, Tribes: Ascend.

The demoralizing component is missing if you dont kill anything, in contrary it's even a morale boost for escaped campers.

on a sidenote: if they're trying to escape, your fleet is to large there's no point in dropping 50BSs on 20 BCs