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Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:59:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Orisa Medeem wrote:Two comments about the changes: Quote:[Given LP] = ([Market value of target ship] - [Max. Insurance market value] + [Fitted mods, rigs and subsystem market value] + [Transported items market value]) / 10000 Please take dropped items into consideration in that formula. They should either pay half compared to the destroyed ones, or nothing at all. This is important to prevent exploiting it. If you're carrying 100,000,000 ISK in loot, the EV of the drop is 50 mil ISK, and the person killing you gets 10,000 LP from it. If you were trying to abuse it, you'd be hard pressed to make more than 50 mil ISK off of 10k LP.
with the ship LP changes, it makes a lot of sense for FW players to keep abnormally high ship costs in the regions that are contested while alt shipping in ships to be put on contracts for either side to purchase. Because it is now in the best interests for both factions to keep market prices high, they will no longer compete for cheap ships for their own militas on the open market. but rather through contracts which are not counted in the LP price index for ships/fittings.
Destroying a Punisher with tech 1 fitting: gained LP = (450k ISK GÇô 312k ISK + 100k ISK + 0) / 10000 = around 24 LP (previous system would have paid 25 LP)
now fit that punisher with a market manipulated module, Republic Fleet Thermic plating est cost 100k isk, set price on Placid market 100 million isk, In heavy sov upgrades system market cost cheaper, it currently costs me (a nonFW player but with good regional faction standings) approx 1 million to place module on the market, with no buy orders or competing modules market price is now 100 million for a cheap module.
Destroying a punisher with tech 1 fitting:gained LP =(450k isk - 312k isk + 100 million isk +0)/1000 = 100,138 LP (overheat a lowslot mod for a few seconds to encourage the item being destroyed)
Punisher has 4 lowslots, add four of those modules. now make that module worth one billion, or ten billion .... |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
945
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:03:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Orisa Medeem wrote:Two comments about the changes: Quote:[Given LP] = ([Market value of target ship] - [Max. Insurance market value] + [Fitted mods, rigs and subsystem market value] + [Transported items market value]) / 10000 Please take dropped items into consideration in that formula. They should either pay half compared to the destroyed ones, or nothing at all. This is important to prevent exploiting it. If you're carrying 100,000,000 ISK in loot, the EV of the drop is 50 mil ISK, and the person killing you gets 10,000 LP from it. If you were trying to abuse it, you'd be hard pressed to make more than 50 mil ISK off of 10k LP. with the ship LP changes, it makes a lot of sense for FW players to keep abnormally high ship costs in the regions that are contested while alt shipping in ships to be put on contracts for either side to purchase. Because it is now in the best interests for both factions to keep market prices high, they will no longer compete for cheap ships for their own militas on the open market. but rather through contracts which are not counted in the LP price index for ships/fittings. Destroying a Punisher with tech 1 fitting: gained LP = (450k ISK GÇô 312k ISK + 100k ISK + 0) / 10000 = around 24 LP (previous system would have paid 25 LP) now fit that punisher with a market manipulated module, Republic Fleet Thermic plating est cost 100k isk, set price on Placid market 100 million isk, In heavy sov upgrades system market cost cheaper, it currently costs me (a nonFW player but with good regional faction standings) approx 1 million to place module on the market, with no buy orders or competing modules market price is now 100 million for a cheap module. Destroying a punisher with tech 1 fitting:gained LP =(450k isk - 312k isk + 100 million isk +0)/1000 = 100,138 LP (overheat a lowslot mod for a few seconds to encourage the item being destroyed) Punisher has 4 lowslots, add four of those modules. now make that module worth one billion, or ten billion .... I would hope that CCP is smart enough to
- Make the used prices be a global average
- Use Sell orders, not Buy orders to price them
- Make it delayed by an unspecified amount of time
- Average price changes on a smoothed running aveage curve
If they didn't, then yeah, this is going to turn out into a horrible, horrible gaming of the system. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
571
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:04:00 -
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Just have one question... moving datacores to FW LP stores means that they can't be obtained through research agents as usual? EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
946
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:07:00 -
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General remark with regards to the doomsday predictions of many people: if CCP lives up to their word on iterating on things (and they at least look like they intend to), then they will tweak this, adding reasons to join a "losing" side if it becomes necessary.
If they don't touch FW for another 20 years, then it's going to end up screwed no matter how stellar and awesome Inferno is.
So... chill and trust in CCP to do what they said they'd do. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:08:00 -
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Regarding R&D agent changes to make sure I understand: 1. The RP/day rates for datacores that currently cost 50RP staying the same, effectively halving the amount that can be obtained in a given period of time. 2. RP for other types with different multipliers will end up the same due to their multipliers being removed
If those are correct, does this mean that RP for an x3 modifier datacore can be used to purchase 3(+10k isk/core) after the change for every 2 you would be able to purchase now? Or are the amounts of already accumulated RP going to be altered to account for this? |
Zakurai
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:11:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:Zakurai wrote:I just mean that it would be far easier to spend $15 to buy a plex to cash in on 400mill isk (or whatever it goes for now) to fuel your pvp than try to find sustainable income. All of that Nex store stuff is just a way to get isk out of the economy to manage inflation. and to get people that wouldn't normally buy plex to buy More plex you may be paying for your subscription now, but if you cant fund your various activities in the game with ingame made isk, you might buy plex to supplement your income, while that doesn't change the fact that you are supplying someone else's game time, having Plex related sinks, (like the Next store) means that some of your cash is buying ingame items and not going to be used for the extension of someones account. If Next store stuff was there solely for the purposes of Isk inflation then it would be directly purchasable for isk. however it is not. the involvment Plex means that it is more directly related to cash income then isk inflation control.
I agree, and there will be an influx of Plex purchasers to keep funding they're current gameplay style. If all of a sudden, that tackling rifter cost you 20-30mill to fly it might not be too bad initially, but just think about all the cruiser and up costs. Since mods are universal from ship to ship, they will each get far more expensive to fly. Sides, I was a carebear a while back, trying to convince them to drop a bunch of isk to fly something that they will most likely loose is a tough sales pitch. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
1
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:11:00 -
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Do the devs have any plans to expand/change what system upgrades do? Because right now there isn't a great deal of incentive for people to invest their scarce LP in improvements, because the improvements are pretty weaksauce. Reduced clone costs aren't going to be that big a deal because the relative ease of getting your pod out in lowsec; lowsec industry and commerce is virtually non-existent (as far as I'm aware) on account of logistical issues, and a fairly paltry improvement isn't about to make anyone change their minds.
Assorted terrible ideas -Reduced repair costs in upgraded systems (militia-only) -Improved insurance payout for insurance contracts purchased in upgraded systems (milita-only) -Bonuses to production of faction-appropriate ships and modules in upgraded militia systems.
I agree with the sentiments people have already expressed on the subject of positive feedback, but I don't really have anything to add on that front other than concern. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:11:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:I would hope that CCP is smart enough to
- Make the used prices be a global average
- Use Sell orders, not Buy orders to price them
- Make it delayed by an unspecified amount of time
- Average price changes on a smoothed running aveage curve
If they didn't, then yeah, this is going to turn out into a horrible, horrible gaming of the system.
so id have to put several obscene priced orders in a few regions to get the full benifit of this? im sure there are a few people in some of the nullsec areas that would happily do this with me if we consorted with alts. any module that has no real use (and there are quite a few) can be put up with minimal isk outlay.
It doesn't matter, what buy/sell order you use. Even Jita sees massive manipulation for items all the time.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
732
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:12:00 -
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I keep looking over the change. It gets better every time I read it. As a pirate, you get a free-for-all on WTs in lowsec so the gate gun problem is solved, you can still ransom and dishonor ransoms to mission runners (of which there will probably be a lot more), plus you get bumper ISK and LP on your kills! How awesome is that? Why wouldn't every pirate want to join FW now, is my question? Inferno gets better with every dev blog. I just wonder if my standing with the gallente is too low to join now. Maybe it won't matter depending on how the tags for sec thing works. Looking forward to it. Didn't anticipate wanting to join FW at all until today!
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Cosmoes
Peraka
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:13:00 -
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For current rp holders when you change the datacore cost to 100 for all are you going to increase/decrease current rp holders current rp?
Are ppl with 150 datacore research items going to get an extra 50% more datacores while those with 50 cost ones get their datacores halved? |
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
404
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:14:00 -
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Thanks for finally working on faction war. Allot of these things have been needed for a long time. And allot of the work -including the faction war info page - is top quality.
In the end I think
1)the long time it takes to flip systems combined with
2)the no docking rule and
3)increased pve opportunities for the winning side
Will make faction war in general and the combat in particular much more similar to sov null sec.
I predict (yeah I might be wrong) the combat will be much more dependant on organizing large numbers of people together to grind through systems. We can see lots of eve players are quite happy about this and it's no surprise, as that is how many aspects of eve are "won". If they didn't like then many wouldn't be playing eve.
But I sort of liked the more casual nature of faction war and the frequent quality pvp in it. The pvp did not require large fleets and you could get lots of good fights from plexes in the shortest possible time short of arranged fights in hubs and rvb. I am glad you will consider eliminating the station lock outs. That would be a big step toward keeping faction war an option for me.
If you end up keeping faction war as this more sov null sec type game then I would ask that you consider something like Jack Dent's proposal for low sec in general:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42987&find=unread
It's not not good as what faction war currently offers but it would offer casual players like myself who were in faction for the frequent small scale pvp something. There are a few of us who love eve and love small scale pvp but are not interested in this serious business of organizing sheep to blob and then gloat over all the isk we can now carbear.
I highly doubt the station lock out idea will be compatible with my style of play. With faction off the table I feel like my options are getting even more limitted after this expansion. Jack Dent's proposal would at least make low sec more promising for casual low sec pvpers and lessen the blow. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Andrea Griffin
278
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:17:00 -
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I'm still very hesitant about the docking thing but you know what? Let's give it a try and see how it works in practice. Thank you for your hard work and finally giving FW some much-needed attention. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
193
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:19:00 -
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Mechanical Engineering Datacore, the most important datacore (and used in inventing all four racial varieties of ships) is exclusive to the faction with the easiest PvE (something you didn't address and going by your track record, never will. :soon: is pretty much CCP talk for never going to happen).
Words can't express how fvcking stupid you all must be. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:32:00 -
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Patient 2428190 wrote:Mechanical Engineering Datacore, the most important datacore (and used in inventing all four racial varieties of ships) is exclusive to the faction with the easiest PvE (something you didn't address and going by your track record, never will. :soon: is pretty much CCP talk for never going to happen).
Words can't express how fvcking stupid you all must be.
Which faction is that now?
I see L4 agents of all Factions with Mech core research available. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
946
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:36:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:I would hope that CCP is smart enough to
- Make the used prices be a global average
- Use Sell orders, not Buy orders to price them
- Make it delayed by an unspecified amount of time
- Average price changes on a smoothed running aveage curve
If they didn't, then yeah, this is going to turn out into a horrible, horrible gaming of the system. so id have to put several obscene priced orders in a few regions to get the full benifit of this? im sure there are a few people in some of the nullsec areas that would happily do this with me if we consorted with alts. any module that has no real use (and there are quite a few) can be put up with minimal isk outlay. It doesn't matter, what buy/sell order you use. Even Jita sees massive manipulation for items all the time. I'm not saying you're wrong.
As I was implying before, I'm hoping that CCP didn't do something dumb and exploitable. They are opening up a very nasty can of worms by basing anything on actual market values, and I think there's something terribly wrong with the "ladder" system and the enhanced killmails, as well.
In other words, they best know what they're doing, or this is going to explode in their faces. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Mike deVoid
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
12
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:37:00 -
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This has probably been asked already, but are you making any changes to the NPC in plex sites, with respect to the unequal EWAR and also the fact that they still spawn even if enemies militia come in to kill you :( |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:41:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote: I'm not saying you're wrong.
As I was implying before, I'm hoping that CCP didn't do something dumb and exploitable. They are opening up a very nasty can of worms by basing anything on actual market values, and I think there's something terribly wrong with the "ladder" system and the enhanced killmails, as well.
In other words, they best know what they're doing, or this is going to explode in their faces.
oh man, if we are relying on ccp to have thought this out adequately ...
May i refer your attention to the last four expansions? WIS, NeXt store, Fuel Change over,
etc...
Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time. |
Metis Laxon
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:41:00 -
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Wonderful list of changes, I will join in as soon as it is released! |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
194
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:43:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:Patient 2428190 wrote:Mechanical Engineering Datacore, the most important datacore (and used in inventing all four racial varieties of ships) is exclusive to the faction with the easiest PvE (something you didn't address and going by your track record, never will. :soon: is pretty much CCP talk for never going to happen).
Words can't express how fvcking stupid you all must be. Which faction is that now? I see L4 agents of all Factions with Mech core research available.
Because I'm sure you feel so smart that you know what research agents are, answer this question for me. Why should the most important datacore, used in all 4 races of ships, be specific to one LP store? |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
1933
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:46:00 -
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Good changes, but Mech Eng cores really should be available from all factions. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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FellRaven
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:50:00 -
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Not happy about the proposed datacore changes. I've spent a lot of time raising alt characters on my account to collect datacores. This doesn't just mean training the skills for research it also means training combat skills to mission so they can access level 4 agents. That is an investment of 3-4mil SP per character which you want to take away at a whim.
In contrast what have you done about the passive income from T2 BPOs that were given away in the lottery that RP could previously have been invested in? Nothing, invention is not a viable trade as you can not compete with T2 BPOs.
You don't seem to appreciate that this game needs passive income streams because those of us that PvP don't want to spend our time ratting or missioning instead. If you prevent people from making passive ISK and force them into PVE you will over time loose a lot of players.
I would suggest that you reconsider these changes very seriously. |
Neo Gabriel
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
3
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:50:00 -
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What is it with this ridiculous cheering? you think you did a good job with this "interaction"? Go "improve" something else... Now i know how it feels to be CCPEED on. I swear soundwave yterbium and whoever else is in charge of this turd... i thought you learned that throwing **** at the wall and implementing what sticks didn't work. This patch will come back to bite you in the ass.
ALRIGHT IT IS DONE FULL ****** MODE ENGAGED
ITS SO GREAT TO KNOW THAT CCP REYARDED DEVS WITH NO CLUE ABOUT SOMETHING DECIDE YET AGAIN TO CCPEE ON ANOTHER GAME NICHE WITHOUT ANY THOUGHT INTO THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS
STATION LOCKOUT MEANS THAT -10 PILOTS THAT LOSE THEIR STATIONS WILL HAVE TO QUIT FW OR MOVE 20 JUMPS TO THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE
STILL NO FIX TO THE IMBALANCE OF EWAR AND NPCS IN GENERAL
YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN ALL AND WHY THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FINAL NAIL ON THE FW COFFIN.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN 3 MONTHS IS THERE WILL ONLY BE 2 MILITIAS LEFT AND THE LOSING SIDES WILL NEVER RECOVER
>>>WHY HOW COULD THEY, AT THEIR WORST THIER LP REWARDS WILL COST 4X AS MUCH, THEY CANT DOCK ANYWHERE IN LOWSEC, THEY CANT RETREIVE THEIR SHIPS/ITEMS/REPAIR/RELOAD... WHO IN THEIR RIGHT FUQUING MIND WOULD STAY ANCHORED BY SUCH RESTRICTIONS???????????
>>>SPECIALLY WHEN A MUCH SIMPLER SOLUTION IS AVAILABLE: ---QUIT FW--- AND BEHOLD, YOU ARE FREE AGAIN!
LONG LIVE LOWSEC, LONG LIVE THE FEDERATION (as long as until my home stations are not locked out) LONG LIVE -10,
HERE COMES INFERO, HERALDING A NEW AGE OF LOWSEC PIRACY
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Cosmoes
Peraka
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:51:00 -
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OK I've had an idea for FW that was pretty similar to this for like 2 years but I'll explain the main differences
1. LP decrease was partially tied to individual systems. Idea is less mob mentality (keep killing amarr and eventually something good will happen) and rather I want to take system x so I can buy a bunch of cheap frigs and sell them in Jita. Also provide some more tactical environments to FW similar to moons do to 0.0
Lets use buying faction frigs as an example - each system decreases LP cost a small amount (1%) - Specific systems specialize in certain areas decrease it by a large amount (frig production system = 25%) - Many systems have effect multiple items (speed based system = 5%) - Possibly constellation bonuses added to it.
System examples frig central (25% reduction to frigs, 5% reduction to small weapons, 1% reduction to all)
speed system(25% reduction to mwd/ab, 5% reduction to frigs, 1% reduction to all)
You'd want a few other systems/constellations to get the max reduction on a single item.
2. The more systems you control the less LP you get for all activities.
Currently the reverse of what is planned, this is to give the war a bit of an eb and flow rather than a steamroll. When one side is winning the other side offers better rewards in LP (though you won't want to cash in straight away).
As for story behind this. When a massive empire has to support a war in 5 systems as apposed to 50 they can give more rewards per system. FW space only makes up a fraction of the empires total space so we shouldn't see their complete collapse when those systems are taken. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
946
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:52:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote: I'm not saying you're wrong.
As I was implying before, I'm hoping that CCP didn't do something dumb and exploitable. They are opening up a very nasty can of worms by basing anything on actual market values, and I think there's something terribly wrong with the "ladder" system and the enhanced killmails, as well.
In other words, they best know what they're doing, or this is going to explode in their faces.
oh man, if we are relying on ccp to have thought this out adequately ... May i refer your attention to the last four expansions? WIS, NeXt store, Fuel Change over, etc... "We've changed," they swear. And, like naive sods that we are, we believe them (or at least try to).
It's how life goes. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
946
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:53:00 -
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Neo Gabriel wrote:What is it with this ridiculous cheering? you think you did a good job with this "interaction"? Go "improve" something else... Now i know how it feels to be CCPEED on. I swear soundwave yterbium and whoever else is in charge of this turd... i thought you learned that throwing **** at the wall and implementing what sticks didn't work. This patch will come back to bite you in the ass.
ALRIGHT IT IS DONE FULL ****** MODE ENGAGED
ITS SO GREAT TO KNOW THAT CCP REYARDED DEVS WITH NO CLUE ABOUT SOMETHING DECIDE YET AGAIN TO CCPEE ON ANOTHER GAME NICHE WITHOUT ANY THOUGHT INTO THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS
STATION LOCKOUT MEANS THAT -10 PILOTS THAT LOSE THEIR STATIONS WILL HAVE TO QUIT FW OR MOVE 20 JUMPS TO THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE
STILL NO FIX TO THE IMBALANCE OF EWAR AND NPCS IN GENERAL
YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN ALL AND WHY THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FINAL NAIL ON THE FW COFFIN.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN 3 MONTHS IS THERE WILL ONLY BE 2 MILITIAS LEFT AND THE LOSING SIDES WILL NEVER RECOVER
>>>WHY HOW COULD THEY, AT THEIR WORST THIER LP REWARDS WILL COST 4X AS MUCH, THEY CANT DOCK ANYWHERE IN LOWSEC, THEY CANT RETREIVE THEIR SHIPS/ITEMS/REPAIR/RELOAD... WHO IN THEIR RIGHT FUQUING MIND WOULD STAY ANCHORED BY SUCH RESTRICTIONS???????????
>>>SPECIALLY WHEN A MUCH SIMPLER SOLUTION IS AVAILABLE: ---QUIT FW--- AND BEHOLD, YOU ARE FREE AGAIN!
LONG LIVE LOWSEC, LONG LIVE THE FEDERATION (as long as until my home stations are not locked out) LONG LIVE -10,
HERE COMES INFERO, HERALDING A NEW AGE OF LOWSEC PIRACY
Infinite amounts of butthurt detected. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:57:00 -
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Patient 2428190 wrote:Kusum Fawn wrote:Patient 2428190 wrote:Mechanical Engineering Datacore, the most important datacore (and used in inventing all four racial varieties of ships) is exclusive to the faction with the easiest PvE (something you didn't address and going by your track record, never will. :soon: is pretty much CCP talk for never going to happen).
Words can't express how fvcking stupid you all must be. Which faction is that now? I see L4 agents of all Factions with Mech core research available. Because I'm sure you feel so smart that you know what research agents are, answer this question for me. Why should the most important datacore, used in all 4 races of ships, be specific to one LP store?
I have my moments , i know, and they are awesome. You however are also very angry, do you need a hug?
the CCP answer is "because we want to **** everything up.
but yes, i missed the part in the dev blog where they made mech cores Minmatar only.
there are others like Electromagnetic cores that are now gallente only, when caldari ships have hybrid bonuses too.
im sure that there are more. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time. |
Dratic
TURN LEFT Fall From Heaven
4
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:58:00 -
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while you are looking at lp related stuff. Please can we have an option to purchase multiple lp items at the same time? Say i want 20 of an item at the moment we have to press accept 20 times which makes converting lp a chore. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:59:00 -
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Dratic wrote:while you are looking at lp related stuff. Please can we have an option to purchase multiple lp items at the same time? Say i want 20 of an item at the moment we have to press accept 20 times which makes converting lp a chore.
you actually have to click 40 times,
redeem offer accept offer Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time. |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
78
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:01:00 -
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I like these changes. I will keep an open mind.
I would prefer that neither offensive or defensive plexing gave LP until a a system is contested, because offensive plexing can be afk speed tanked by an unskilled alt too. I think it's equally subject to abuse.
I also don't like that neutrals won't be effected by the docking ban, because it just encourages the use of alts.
And please give us cyno jammers.
Regardless, you guys have obviously put a lot of work into this and seem committed to follow up. That, I like. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
947
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:02:00 -
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Dratic wrote:while you are looking at lp related stuff. Please can we have an option to purchase multiple lp items at the same time? Say i want 20 of an item at the moment we have to press accept 20 times which makes converting lp a chore. Poor baby. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
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