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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.12 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Invelious on 12/05/2009 15:22:26 Star Fraction, you...all of you..love Amarr. Don't you. You do, you love us so much, that you hate us. Its like a marriage that has gone on too long, you love the bish but you just hate her guts at the same time, because you know its not her fault, its all yours, but you cant admit it.
Just give up guys, its been too long on that side of the fence, years of opposing the factions(mainly Amarr) and still you have achieved nothing of value in your quest to destablize the Empire loyal corps and the Empires themselves.
Your endevours in Providence were fail, the militia operations you conduct are fails. This path, this direction you keep setting yourself in, historically, is all fail. Just end it. You will never win in whatever it is you are trying to achieve if you keep trying on that side of fence. Join Amarr, give up this path of failure. Accept God, our Empress, and our way of life and succeed for once in all of the time that you have existed as this wasteful alliance.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.12 18:24:00 -
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I do not think you would be quite so flustered and drawn to creating multiple weekly posts about Star Fraction efforts if we were actually failing. Something tells me silence would be a better indicator of that situation.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.05.12 18:25:00 -
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Who's "the bish"?
-Eva-
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Hurtado Soneka
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.05.12 18:26:00 -
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The point being Star Fraction are fail complete.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.12 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hurtado Soneka The point being Star Fraction are fail complete.
The point being ... if we were I suspect we wouldn't be irritating you quite so much.
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.12 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Hurtado Soneka The point being Star Fraction are fail complete.
The point being ... if we were I suspect we wouldn't be irritating you quite so much.
No irritation, merely observing your failures, and offering you a solution to the problem. Irritations require the attention of a topical lotion, thank God I dont suffer from those.
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.12 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious Join Amarr, give up this path of failure. Accept God, our Empress, and our way of life and succeed for once in all of the time that you have existed as this wasteful alliance.
Though I do not agree with their aims, I should point this out.
Originally by: Invelious You will never win in whatever it is you are trying to achieve if you keep trying on that side of fence.
This would be my response to your views. It is an exercise in futility to attempt to move an organization as dedicated and, well, organized as Star Fraction.
You do not understand them.
Originally by: Invelious Just give up guys, its been too long on that side of the fence, years of opposing the factions(mainly Amarr) and still you have achieved nothing of value in your quest to destablize the Empire loyal corps and the Empires themselves.
Oh, but they have. If Star Fraction were so immaterial, if they had never gained anything, if they were so wrong in their view... then why would you care so much for their joining the Empire? If they failed as much as you think, why do they still stand?
Your goals are not theirs. Your values are not theirs. The hubris of the Amarr is not the failure of Star Fraction.
Their success is in provoking your plea, and it is a plea, for them to join you.
If I were Star Fraction, I would say this; free yourself. Free yourself of your own vices, your own misconceptions, your own hatreds. Learn what it is to coexist with others without putting up borders, without putting up walls, without chains and shackles of all kinds.
You see, your statement on loving so much you hate? The Amarr love so much they hate. The Amarr see the galaxy as full of sin, instead of beauty. They see everything as something to conquer, to cage up; they seek to destroy the individuality that makes everything so beautiful, so rich and so diverse.
If anything, the Amarr have failed. They have failed the mandate they believe they have received from their God, they have failed in "Reclaiming" that which they believe they are entitled to.
With so much "fail", why do the Amarr not join Star Fraction?
For the same reason that Star Fraction does not give up. The Amarr believe they are right. You believe you are right. What you lack is the ability to make yourself right by any other means than subjugation and control. Even this "offer" is an attempt at such, isn't it?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.12 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious No irritation, merely observing your failures...
Some might say you seem a little bit obsessive. For a creative in an organization that is beneath our notice and nonetheless lacks the courage to put a wardec forward to appear on our radar you seem very loud on IGS while meek as an invertibrate worm in space.
Quite typical of your kind.
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.12 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Originally by: Invelious Join Amarr, give up this path of failure. Accept God, our Empress, and our way of life and succeed for once in all of the time that you have existed as this wasteful alliance.
Though I do not agree with their aims, I should point this out.
Originally by: Invelious You will never win in whatever it is you are trying to achieve if you keep trying on that side of fence.
This would be my response to your views. It is an exercise in futility to attempt to move an organization as dedicated and, well, organized as Star Fraction.
You do not understand them.
Originally by: Invelious Just give up guys, its been too long on that side of the fence, years of opposing the factions(mainly Amarr) and still you have achieved nothing of value in your quest to destablize the Empire loyal corps and the Empires themselves.
Oh, but they have. If Star Fraction were so immaterial, if they had never gained anything, if they were so wrong in their view... then why would you care so much for their joining the Empire? If they failed as much as you think, why do they still stand?
Your goals are not theirs. Your values are not theirs. The hubris of the Amarr is not the failure of Star Fraction.
Their success is in provoking your plea, and it is a plea, for them to join you.
If I were Star Fraction, I would say this; free yourself. Free yourself of your own vices, your own misconceptions, your own hatreds. Learn what it is to coexist with others without putting up borders, without putting up walls, without chains and shackles of all kinds.
You see, your statement on loving so much you hate? The Amarr love so much they hate. The Amarr see the galaxy as full of sin, instead of beauty. They see everything as something to conquer, to cage up; they seek to destroy the individuality that makes everything so beautiful, so rich and so diverse.
If anything, the Amarr have failed. They have failed the mandate they believe they have received from their God, they have failed in "Reclaiming" that which they believe they are entitled to.
With so much "fail", why do the Amarr not join Star Fraction?
For the same reason that Star Fraction does not give up. The Amarr believe they are right. You believe you are right. What you lack is the ability to make yourself right by any other means than subjugation and control. Even this "offer" is an attempt at such, isn't it?
As a follower of my Amarrian faith, it is part of my duty and my practice to bring the light of God to all those whom are mislead. Out of pity, I feel sorry for Star Fraction, hence my current offer. They are, and always will be a 0 threat factor to the Amarr Empire and its loyal corps.
Ones own path can only be chosen by ones self, but you cannot neglect alternate options or be critical of them without first experiencing all avenues.
When I became a pod pilot I explored all my options, and in the end, my home is with God and Amarr. So there is nothing wrong with me opening the door to those whom dont believe to provide them the opportunity of a fulfilling and meaningful existence for the rest of their eternal lives.
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.12 19:19:00 -
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Quote: They are, and always will be a 0 threat factor to the Amarr Empire and its loyal corps.
You truly think that the Empire and it's loyalists are their "true" target? If I understand their intent and not their words and actions, the Empire and it's loyalists are but another wall to be broken, torn down, or navigated past. An obstacle.
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.12 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Quote: They are, and always will be a 0 threat factor to the Amarr Empire and its loyal corps.
You truly think that the Empire and it's loyalists are their "true" target? If I understand their intent and not their words and actions, the Empire and it's loyalists are but another wall to be broken, torn down, or navigated past. An obstacle.
Well then, looks like they will never get passed this wall then to get to their "true target", and as previously stated, fail.
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.12 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious Well then, looks like they will never get passed this wall then to get to their "true target", and as previously stated, fail.
Of course, you assume that you are considered a wall. As Jade says, have you declared war on them in space? If not, then you, as I say, are not a target for them. You do not understand Star Fraction.
Originally by: "Jade Constantine" Some might say you seem a little bit obsessive. For a creative in an organization that is beneath our notice and nonetheless lacks the courage to put a wardec forward to appear on our radar you seem very loud on IGS while meek as an invertebrate worm in space.
You are not a wall, Invelious, you are not an obstacle, you are an amusement. As the good lady says, your organization is beneath their notice.
Who's failure is this? Furthermore, why would they heed your offer? If you are not a threat to them, not an enemy in space, why would your words here, as hollow as they are, speak louder than the actions (or inaction as it were), of your organization? |
Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.12 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Originally by: Invelious Well then, looks like they will never get passed this wall then to get to their "true target", and as previously stated, fail.
Of course, you assume that you are considered a wall. As Jade says, have you declared war on them in space? If not, then you, as I say, are not a target for them. You do not understand Star Fraction.
Originally by: "Jade Constantine" Some might say you seem a little bit obsessive. For a creative in an organization that is beneath our notice and nonetheless lacks the courage to put a wardec forward to appear on our radar you seem very loud on IGS while meek as an invertebrate worm in space.
You are not a wall, Invelious, you are not an obstacle, you are an amusement. As the good lady says, your organization is beneath their notice.
Who's failure is this? Furthermore, why would they heed your offer? If you are not a threat to them, not an enemy in space, why would your words here, as hollow as they are, speak louder than the actions (or inaction as it were), of your organization?
I was commenting on Amarr itself, and those loyal to it, that is what I am a part of, we are but one whole, unified under the banner that is the Amarr Empire. That is the wall that shall never be broken
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.05.12 19:52:00 -
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SF does seem to spend most of it's time fighting the Empire and it's loyalists.
I've heard many times that SF stands against all the Empires but I can't recall any actions against the Gallente or the Republic.
Please explain if I'm correct and please correct if I'm mistaken.
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Kazzzi
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Posted - 2009.05.12 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Kazzzi on 12/05/2009 20:04:39
Originally by: Mr Reeth
I've heard many times that SF stands against all the Empires but I can't recall any actions against the Gallente or the Republic.
So by putting forth this argument, do you admit that the Minmatar Republic is at least the equal to, if not superior to the Amarr Empire? Confirmation here would of course be blasphemy Mr Reeth. Is this the path you wish to follow? Answer carefully. |
Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.12 20:16:00 -
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You, Amarr, are pretty entertaining. Where do I sign up?
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.05.12 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi
So by putting forth this argument, do you admit that the Minmatar Republic is at least the equal to, if not superior to the Amarr Empire? Confirmation here would of course be blasphemy Mr Reeth. Is this the path you wish to follow? Answer carefully.
It's a simple question of SF policy and actions. I've heard them say they stand against all the Empires but have not seen this in practice.
My opinion has nothing to do with it.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.05.12 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tecam Hund You, Amarr, are pretty entertaining. Where do I sign up?
You can sign up for the Militia at any Amarrian station, I believe.
But if you want to join an Amarrian pod pilot organization you'll have to find them yourself.
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Kai Zion
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.12 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth I've heard them say they stand against all the Empires but have not seen this in practice.
It's not their fault you're too young a capsuleer to have seen it. I suggest you learn your history if you were not a part of it, it's far more productive than trying to pretend it doesn't exist.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.05.12 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Reeth on 12/05/2009 21:17:21
Originally by: Kai Zion
It's not their fault you're too young a capsuleer to have seen it. I suggest you learn your history if you were not a part of it, it's far more productive than trying to pretend it doesn't exist.
You're not too bright are you?
I never suggested anyone was at fault for anything.
You say that I should learn history? Is that not what I'm trying to do? I desire information about SFs history in relation to their public statements. And since there is no published corporate biography at my local bookseller, I thought I'd ask here.
At what point did I say something didn't happen? I didn't write very much so there is no excuse for your misinterpretation. Please reread what I wrote as slowly as you need. What I said was that I (me the individual) have not seen (witnessed first hand evidence or read public statements) action against the Republic or the Federation. I followed, in my initial post with, "Please explain if I'm correct and please correct if I'm mistaken."
It is a total and humble confession of ignorance on my part and a request to be informed by informed parties.
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Kai Zion
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.12 21:48:00 -
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You are a capsuleer. You can freely move across the stars, between the empires, to anywhere you please. You are wealthy beyond measure. You could bribe your way into almost any library and any museum. You could buy access to almost any information network. You could bribe your way to secrets, and browse facts free of charge. So many information services would cost you, a capsuleer, virtually nothing to access and many, many more would be literally, free to you.
You have been granted a capacity to inform yourself that is rivaled only by us, your peers.
Yet your "research" constituted a visit to a "local bookseller", after which nothing turned up, you came here to GalNet, and in front of millions of onlookers, talked about what "seems" to be the case - an assertion based entirely on your studious endeavors.
If you expect me to believe that you have the best of intentions, and are just a well-meaning, humble Amarrian capsuleer who just so happens to be profoundly hopeless at doing even the most basic of research, then you, Mr Reeth, are the one here who is "not too bright".
But I won't shut my mind to the possibility all the same. If you are truly that lost, then you will need all the help you can get.
Let me start you off.
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Kazzzi
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Posted - 2009.05.12 21:54:00 -
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Mr Reeth, if you aren't soo lazy as to require intellectual spoon feeding:
Might want to take a look here as well
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.12 22:08:00 -
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Mr Reeth knows perfectly well who Star Fraction is and what we do and believe. His previous corporation Aegis Militia paid a heavy price for supporting the regressive imperialist dogma of the Amarrian Empire in previous disputes with the Free Captains.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.05.12 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi Mr Reeth, if you aren't soo lazy as to require intellectual spoon feeding:
Might want to take a look here as well
Thank you for the link. The information there seems to be about 2 years old but does indeed show that while the overwhelming majority of SFs campaigns have been and continue to be against the Amarrians and Caldari there was an action against the Gallente.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.05.12 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Mr Reeth knows perfectly well who Star Fraction is and what we do and believe. His previous corporation Aegis Militia paid a heavy price for supporting the regressive imperialist dogma of the Amarrian Empire in previous disputes with the Free Captains.
Indeed.
Perhaps you can shed a little more light on the issue? SF has always claimed to stand against all the core empires. Why then is there so much more focus on the Amarrian Empire and the Caldari State?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.12 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Mr Reeth knows perfectly well who Star Fraction is and what we do and believe. His previous corporation Aegis Militia paid a heavy price for supporting the regressive imperialist dogma of the Amarrian Empire in previous disputes with the Free Captains.
Indeed.
Perhaps you can shed a little more light on the issue? SF has always claimed to stand against all the core empires. Why then is there so much more focus on the Amarrian Empire and the Caldari State?
Last time you brought this up The Cosmopolite directed you to the relevant threads. Don't be lazy.
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Kai Zion
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.12 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Mr Reeth knows perfectly well who Star Fraction is and what we do and believe. His previous corporation Aegis Militia...
Ugh...
Not that I doubted his act for a second.
Send my regards to the Doctor, Jade, I'm outta here. I hate reruns.
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Tyr Cloudstone
Gallente Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.12 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Mr Reeth knows perfectly well who Star Fraction is and what we do and believe. His previous corporation Aegis Militia paid a heavy price for supporting the regressive imperialist dogma of the Amarrian Empire in previous disputes with the Free Captains.
Indeed.
Perhaps you can shed a little more light on the issue? SF has always claimed to stand against all the core empires. Why then is there so much more focus on the Amarrian Empire and the Caldari State?
The answer to this seems fairly simple. They are the only ones left to fight. I'd imagine the matari don't 'offend' the fractions beliefs enough to put them on the radar and the gallente and caldari are weak and have no real targets for SF to focus on, barring omerta of course but thats not likely to happen, a war that the fraction might not win. Meanwhile the empire presents a huge opportunity for them to excercise their beliefs and so they take it.
Tyr
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.05.12 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 12/05/2009 23:40:45 But one thing must be said they excel at running loosing only 1 capital ships when their allies loose 6 takes monkey reflexes.
Wonder when Negative Ten will feel like to loose more capital ships for helping them.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.12 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nur AlHuda Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 12/05/2009 23:40:45 But one thing must be said they excel at running loosing only 1 capital ships when their allies loose 6 takes monkey reflexes. Wonder when Negative Ten will feel like to loose more capital ships for helping them.
I hope you aren't talking about incidents where the 24th crusade lose battleships against the CVA and hastily cover it up to prevent embarassment there Nur AlHuda? Because that would be a bit silly to bring to the IGS I think you'll agree.
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