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Allahs Warrior
Gallente I.M.M
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Posted - 2009.05.13 07:18:00 -
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let's go with neuts. Neuts do practically everything ECM did except disable projectiles, except it also disables active tanks, and it's not chance based. The only counter are boosters or nos, but all other counters to ewar dont have ammo like boosters, and dont require the other ship to be in range like nos.
While we're at it, target painters don't have a counter either.
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Robert0288
Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.05.13 07:24:00 -
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How close do you have to be to get neuted, and how far for a falcon?
I give OP 8/10, well done
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.13 08:19:00 -
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NERF TRACKING. I GOT TRACKLED IN BY BATTELSHIP AND COULDN'T HIT THEM
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Kane Starkiller
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Posted - 2009.05.13 10:14:00 -
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why don't we nerf everything to hell so we can play WoW
/sarcasm
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.05.13 11:21:00 -
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I agree, my pilgrim is massively overpowered. I can neut guys with it to oblivion from the incredible range of 12km. I mean, you just can't counter that. Drones don't have anywhere near that range and no one uses projectiles, missiles or cap boosters to counter it. Also, that 6 second targeting delay after decloaking is too fast, it should be like 3 minutes since cloaks should only be used for sitting afk in a system scaring everyone. It's nothing at all like the underpowered falcon that can permajam 3 BS's from 80km away.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.05.13 11:27:00 -
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Neutral Remote Reps.
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Nathan Harrow
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nathan Harrow on 13/05/2009 11:38:39 No
The issue with ECM was there was only one counter and that was ECCM which many thought should give some additional bonus other than making you harder to jam.
Neuts already have a very good counter in the form of Cap boosters which any pvper worth his salt will have fitted. Add to this the fact that both the Curse and Pilgrim are reasonably close ranged and can pretty much do nothing to any Missile boat and you have a ballanced ship and fitting.
edit: target painters have a counter in the form of Halo implants, also you still have to be able to track to hit a target painted target, so speed is an effective counter to that as well
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.13 11:50:00 -
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Also, did you notice the grid fittings requirements? It's almost like they are here to impose compromises with the other turrets .
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Linnth
Amarr Darkill Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Allahs Warrior let's go with neuts. Neuts do practically everything ECM did except disable projectiles, except it also disables active tanks, and it's not chance based. The only counter are boosters or nos, but all other counters to ewar dont have ammo like boosters, and dont require the other ship to be in range like nos.
While we're at it, target painters don't have a counter either.
1/10 At least is was intelligible writing... -------------------
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Jahah Smith
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:48:00 -
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Also dont forget that Nos has aready been nerfed
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Krist Valentine
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar I agree, my pilgrim is massively overpowered. I can neut guys with it to oblivion from the incredible range of 12km. I mean, you just can't counter that. Drones don't have anywhere near that range and no one uses projectiles, missiles or cap boosters to counter it. Also, that 6 second targeting delay after decloaking is too fast, it should be like 3 minutes since cloaks should only be used for sitting afk in a system scaring everyone. It's nothing at all like the underpowered falcon that can permajam 3 BS's from 80km away.
/thread shut up op
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Taya Tal
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Posted - 2009.05.14 23:18:00 -
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log out
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.05.14 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Allahs Warrior
While we're at it, target painters don't have a counter either.
Halo set Evasive Maneuvers Warfare link ...and of course, ECM
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Allahs Warrior
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.05.14 23:31:00 -
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wow you guys all got trolled pretty bad tbh
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.05.14 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Allahs Warrior wow you guys all got trolled pretty bad tbh
Backpedal II
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Allahs Warrior
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith
Originally by: Allahs Warrior wow you guys all got trolled pretty bad tbh
Backpedal II
Really? Nerf target painters?
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Intigo
Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.05.15 06:45:00 -
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This just in - Allahs Warrior used to be in IRC so his opinion is automatically null and void.
You're terrible. ___________________
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Mystafyre
Caldari Dark Materials Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.05.15 07:13:00 -
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NERF 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II's!!!
And CYCLONES!!!
(j/k)
Yesterday I patched my client and I hit into the belts to see if my overview was farked after patch.
I spotted a Brutix there, quickly pointed it and then my fellow came in in Armageddon. So there we were having a peacefull gank and another Brutix showed up! And they were corp mates and they had ECM DRONES!!
So I quickly switched my point from Brutix to the new Brutix and started popping up drones. EC-600s pop nicely with standard missiles, volley and pop. So there we were, having calm tight 2 vs 2 fight when a Cyclone warps in. A neutral one towards us. And he starts shooting our Gankgeddon! Holy hell! Our brave gankgeddon pilot dies a horrible death against these three battlecruisers.
Shortly after that the first Brutix goes down and I am still orbiting the second one wondering whatta hell just happen... I decided to point the Cyclone and pound it with my missiles. Second Brutix goes down.
Cyclone and I are only ones left. My trusty Crow and crappy Cyclone! I keep orbiting it, he throws couple Warrior II's on me. I quickly focus on them and shoot them alongside some ECM drones again. My friend was coming in with new ship to gank this bastard!
Well my friend didn't land there as quick as I would have wanted, I didn't take any damage - no damage what so ever, but right after my friend hit the belt again, the crappy Cyclone started firing on me! AND HE WAS DOING HITS ON ME! WTF? OMG! How this can be possible!!!
I burned away, but then I saw my corp mate in chat that he is going to engage, I burn back in in half armor and point it, tight 20 km orbit, sligtly under 4000 ms and he still hits me! WTF! No way! I try to burn away again but this time I bleed into structure and just when I started to gain distance and doing some transversal I get the final hit and my beautifull Crow goes down with a massive explosion... Grrrr...
So, lesson learned, I'll avoid 220mm vulcans from now on Althought I was surprised that he could actually hit me, but still I could have bailed like dozen times from the scene. I just wanted to give chance for payback for my corpmate who lost his gankgeddon.
But seriously, we are having a 2 vs 2 fight and Babanu arrives in a god damn crappy Cyclone and kills us all! Last time I even saw Cyclone was like 2006
No smack, gf's thrown around, Babanu gave km's for me to post, it was fun. Just wait for the payback! Hopefully I will have a cunning plan against the Cyclone by then
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Allahs Warrior
Gallente Justified Hedonism And Dualism
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Posted - 2009.05.15 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Intigo This just in - Allahs Warrior used to be in IRC so his opinion is automatically null and void.
You're terrible.
At least I had the sense to leave. Oh and Exaltedfullstop.
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Intigo
Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.05.15 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Allahs Warrior
Originally by: Intigo This just in - Allahs Warrior used to be in IRC so his opinion is automatically null and void.
You're terrible.
At least I had the sense to leave. Oh and Exaltedfullstop.
What is there to 'full stop' about an Alliance that single-handedly takes out multiple of your (ex-) Alliance's capitals despite being 1/10th (or less) of your size and has a great K/D ratio? :p ___________________
ENEMA, much love. <3 |
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Allahs Warrior
Gallente Justified Hedonism And Dualism
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Posted - 2009.05.15 11:44:00 -
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Exaltedfullstop, you're the one with the name. You tell me what's so fullstop about you. You know who else has a great K/D ratio? BoB. (No not kenny).
Also I wear my IRC colors with pri-oh wait.
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Mitch Taylor
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.15 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Allahs Warrior
While we're at it, target painters don't have a counter either.
Ragnarok?
The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute! |
THEDON1
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.15 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mystafyre Edited by: Mystafyre on 15/05/2009 07:19:46 NERF 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II's!!!
And CYCLONES!!!
(j/k)
Yesterday I patched my client and I hit into the belts to see if my overview was farked after patch.
I spotted a Brutix there, quickly pointed it and then my fellow came in in Armageddon. So there we were having a peacefull gank and another Brutix showed up! And they were corp mates and they had ECM DRONES!!
So I quickly switched my point from Brutix to the new Brutix and started popping up drones. EC-600s pop nicely with standard missiles, volley and pop. So there we were, having calm tight 2 vs 2 fight when a Cyclone warps in. A neutral one towards us. And he starts shooting our Gankgeddon! Holy hell! Our brave gankgeddon pilot dies a horrible death against these three battlecruisers.
Shortly after that the first Brutix goes down and I am still orbiting the second one wondering whatta hell just happen... I decided to point the Cyclone and pound it with my missiles. Second Brutix goes down.
Cyclone and I are only ones left. My trusty Crow and crappy Cyclone! I keep orbiting it, he throws couple Warrior II's on me. I quickly focus on them and shoot them alongside some ECM drones again. My friend was coming in with new ship to gank this bastard!
Well my friend didn't land there as quick as I would have wanted, I didn't take any damage - no damage what so ever, but right after my friend hit the belt again, the crappy Cyclone started firing on me! AND HE WAS DOING HITS ON ME! WTF? OMG! How this can be possible!!!
I burned away, but then I saw my corp mate in chat that he is going to engage, I burn back in in half armor and point it, tight 20 km orbit, sligtly under 4000 ms and he still hits me! WTF! No way! I try to burn away again but this time I bleed into structure and just when I started to gain distance and doing some transversal I get the final hit and my beautifull Crow goes down with a massive explosion... Grrrr...
So, lesson learned, I'll avoid 220mm vulcans from now on Althought I was surprised that he could actually hit me, but still I could have bailed like dozen times from the scene. I just wanted to give chance for payback for my corpmate who lost his gankgeddon.
But seriously, we are having a 2 vs 2 fight and Babanu arrives in a god damn crappy Cyclone and kills all of us! Last time I even saw Cyclone was like 2006
No smack, gf's thrown around, Babanu gave km's for me to post, it was fun. Just wait for the payback! Hopefully I will have a cunning plan against the Cyclone by then
that cyclone isnt so crappy then is it haha
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Deathhawk
Hammersmith Hardmen Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2009.05.15 13:27:00 -
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cyclone is awesome
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SateenAntilles
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.15 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar I agree, my pilgrim is massively overpowered. I can neut guys with it to oblivion from the incredible range of 12km. I mean, you just can't counter that. Drones don't have anywhere near that range and no one uses projectiles, missiles or cap boosters to counter it. Also, that 6 second targeting delay after decloaking is too fast, it should be like 3 minutes since cloaks should only be used for sitting afk in a system scaring everyone. It's nothing at all like the underpowered falcon that can permajam 3 BS's from 80km away.
Yes but how long is your neut range on your Curse? If any ship needs a hard hit from the nerf bat it is the curse.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.15 15:37:00 -
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Next: Anything that is a viable alternative or counter to Blob warfare.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
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Nathan Harrow
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2009.05.15 15:38:00 -
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no
Neuts and nos are fine, just leave them alone and fit cap boosters next time...
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Allahs Warrior
Gallente Justified Hedonism And Dualism
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Posted - 2009.05.15 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mitch Taylor
Originally by: Allahs Warrior
While we're at it, target painters don't have a counter either.
Ragnarok?
I am defeated. I will commit harikari or w/e.
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