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compairthemeerkat
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Posted - 2009.05.13 09:51:00 -
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.05.13 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: compairthemeerkat
Well described idea.
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Kuranta
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.05.13 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: compairthemeerkat
He's right, though. Since there is no problem, there is no need to fix anything.
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compairthemeerkat
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Posted - 2009.05.13 10:28:00 -
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I was a bit tired while typeing this so forgive me for any grammer mistakes or spelling mistakes.
Replys welcome Aslong as they mature . No one likes a flamer.
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compairthemeerkat
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Posted - 2009.05.13 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: compairthemeerkat
Well described idea.
Sorry i accidently hit enter and it put the post up with nothing in it.
So i had to edit to add my message. That is why it was blank.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 10:38:00 -
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Stealing salvage should give u aggro as stealing loot does... Why not? No timers or something like that it isn't EVE-style... Stealing is one of features... But this should give an owner a possibility to kill thief... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.05.13 10:53:00 -
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where is the need for another thread about this?? The topic is already discussed many times, there is no need for change. Salvage is not a property of the mission runner and is not intended as an additional income.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 10:58:00 -
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Let the custodians of the universe do their job unhindered, so we may all live in a clean and beautiful world!
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Lear Hepburn
Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent
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Posted - 2009.05.13 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Trimutius III Stealing salvage should give u aggro as stealing loot does... Why not?
Because nobody owns the salvage, whereas the loot has an owner.
Whether someone should own the salvage or not is a hotly debated topic. CCP state that salvage does not belong to anyone as it was not intended as a boost to mission-runner's income, so that is the way it stands.
Quote: No timers or something like that it isn't EVE-style... Stealing is one of features... But this should give an owner a possibility to kill thief...
What thief?
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Lear Hepburn
Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent
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Posted - 2009.05.13 11:01:00 -
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I'm going to say this clearly so everyone can get it as the OP seems to be under a misapprehension:
IT'S NOT YOUR SALVAGE
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.13 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lear Hepburn IT'S NOT YOUR SALVAGE
Wreck ownership should be completely removed to clarify this easily overlooked fact. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.05.13 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Lear Hepburn IT'S NOT YOUR SALVAGE
Wreck ownership should be completely removed to clarify this easily overlooked fact.
yes, it should.
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compairthemeerkat
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Posted - 2009.05.13 22:39:00 -
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I posted on behalf of the people effected by this.
People who are being shortsighted towards the bigger picture of eve. It is the small parts of the game mechanics that make eve what it is.
Anyway. Since people are being so hostile about it. I can only leave the post up. No doubt more people will continue to be hostile towards the idea simply because it doesn't effect them. The idea of eve is to make it a fair and a well balanced game. Enjoyable for everyone. With as little ways to grief and waste the game as possible.
So. I can easily get my probe ship and do the same. but it would be ruining eve. I have two account's so salvageing while im doing a mission is no problem. I have 2 50mill sp char's both can use mauraders so even salavageing on a single account would be easy for me.
But this is not about me.
But what if i didnt have 2 accounts and what if i didnt have 2 50mill+ sp char's....
id be at the mercy of these ****'s.... or id have to train for a prober and become a douche myself....
Missioner's UNITE AND STRIKE!!! form pickit lines!!!
Eve didn't add wreaks to boost missioner's income. But it does.... and the people with 2 accounts or ships to salvage and do the mission at the same time have had there imcome boosted. While the little guy gets shot in the foot yet again. Wreak's where added as a resourse to feed the market of salvaged componants so that the production of rig's would be easyer and cheaper.
As a final note.
Anyone posting after this should post to address the group of people that this effect's. I am not a active forum person. And after this i will not be monitoring this post. So any attempts to flame me or address me about this post will go unnoticed.
Again Please post in a mature manor.
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silken mouth
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Posted - 2009.05.13 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: silken mouth on 13/05/2009 22:52:04 Edited by: silken mouth on 13/05/2009 22:51:28 salvage belongs to nobody, however i think if u salvage something that u didnt kill, the person who killed it should be allowed to shot you, not because you own it, not because whining carebears should get what they want.
no, i simply like the idea because there would be more pvp, which is always a good thing...
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Teras Menac
Gallente Action Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: Teras Menac on 13/05/2009 23:25:10 (delete)
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Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:40:00 -
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I wonder if there are pilots willing to form a corp living for the purpose of wardecing known specialized salvaging corps.
But if it works what will happen? The ninjas which already lack on pride would move into an NPC corp.
Would be still funny to annoy them.
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.14 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Trimutius III Stealing salvage should give u aggro as stealing loot does... Why not? No timers or something like that it isn't EVE-style... Stealing is one of features... But this should give an owner a possibility to kill thief...
I like this idea. Sometimes I go into a mission runners mission and there is nothing to loot, a lot of wreaks but no loot in wreaks. I ask my self "How am I going to get that mission runner to shoot at me now". Well, by golly, you have hit the nail on the head with your idea. I think this idea should be implemented and pronto cause it saves me from finding a wreak with the loots.
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Khalia Nestune
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.05.14 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Khalia Nestune on 14/05/2009 03:46:37 Oh noes, 'more wha wha my precious salvage' tears
Devs have stated, numerous times, that salvage has no owner, and they won't change it.
Bring someone with you to salvage. Or, keep whining, beause honestly it is hella funny when I show up and yank your salvage and you go all emo-rage in local. Makes the game worth playing.
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C Walken
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Posted - 2009.05.14 04:00:00 -
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According to modern day international laws of salvage, if a ship is scuttled at sea it becomes finders keepers. Why should the future be any different?
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.05.14 04:25:00 -
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No, please, let salvaging give an aggro timer, I want ******ed mission runners to shoot my 100k isk salvaging Imicus in their faction fit CNRs. However, on another note, I now have one of those annoying sigs. |
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Caassimolar
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: C Walken According to modern day international laws of salvage, if a ship is scuttled at sea it becomes finders keepers. Why should the future be any different?
Because laws can be changed, and most pvper's want it changed.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Caldera on 14/05/2009 12:49:40
Originally by: compairthemeerkat So. I can easily get my probe ship and do the same. but it would be ruining eve.
It would not ruine eve, exactly such things make eve a special game - the diversity. Salvaging and mission running is only one of many facets of eve. What is ruining eve are brainless, boring whiners who want all the same and secure.
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compairthemeerkat
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Khalia Nestune Edited by: Khalia Nestune on 14/05/2009 03:46:37 Oh noes, 'more wha wha my precious salvage' tears
Devs have stated, numerous times, that salvage has no owner, and they won't change it.
Bring someone with you to salvage. Or, keep whining, beause honestly it is hella funny when I show up and yank your salvage and you go all emo-rage in local. Makes the game worth playing.
I have stated numerous times for people to post in a mature manor ... insulting people over the internet is a childish game.
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compairthemeerkat
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera Edited by: Robert Caldera on 14/05/2009 12:49:40
Originally by: compairthemeerkat So. I can easily get my probe ship and do the same. but it would be ruining eve.
It would not ruine eve, exactly such things make eve a special game - the diversity. Salvaging and mission running is only one of many facets of eve. What is ruining eve are brainless, boring whiners who want all the same and secure.
your assuming that you know me.... assuming.. that is all your doing...
again
I have said numerous times to post in a mature manor. Eve has enuff douchebag's and it seems most of them also post on the forum's... Posting insults or flameing will put you in this catagorie.
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Syreniac
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:23:00 -
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Point number 1
Mission ships don't do so well against PVP fit ships. That is just a fact. How many mission fits contain a warp scrambler/disruptor? How many mission fits use very specific hardeners? About all of them. Considering that shooting at a target even with aggression would cause them to have shooting rights on you, your mission ship will be OMGWTFBBQPWN'd by any reasonable ship brought out against you. This would cause more problems for mission runners like you as supply and demand would make your (now often replaced) ships much more expensive. Trust me when I say you would not find that fun.
Point Number 2
Salvage ninjas spend quite a lot of time training to learn how to probe down missioning ships. This means real game time of actually finding you, and training time. It is not fair, however you may justify it, to make this useless. And ninja salvaging makes much less profit than running your own missions, so you cannot complain that they are getting an unfair advantage.
Point Number 3
Originally by: GM Faolchu:
Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Originally by: Senior GM Ytterbium:
Originally by: GM Ytterbium Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Originally by: CCP Prism X:
Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
Point Number 4
You can prevent ninja Salvagers from invading your mission by moving from missioning hubs to more quiet systems. I have on my main a nice L4 agent in a system with about 20 people in local MAX. This means my chances of having my salvage ninja'd is very small. However you may lose just a little profit on the mission.
Or move to low sec and get free aggression on them there!
I am not a salvage ninja, and I run my own missions, but I like to consider that salvaging ninjas make the game a better place by making it less like WOW.
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Lear Hepburn
Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Transcendent
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: compairthemeerkat
Originally by: Robert Caldera Edited by: Robert Caldera on 14/05/2009 12:49:40
Originally by: compairthemeerkat So. I can easily get my probe ship and do the same. but it would be ruining eve.
It would not ruine eve, exactly such things make eve a special game - the diversity. Salvaging and mission running is only one of many facets of eve. What is ruining eve are brainless, boring whiners who want all the same and secure.
your assuming that you know me.... assuming.. that is all your doing...
again
I have said numerous times to post in a mature manor. Eve has enuff douchebag's and it seems most of them also post on the forum's... Posting insults or flameing will put you in this catagorie.
You're assuming he's describing you.
Were I a pirate I'd want you to get aggro when I salvaged "your" wreck because then I could legally kill you. Were I a ninja salvager I'd want the mechanic to remain as it is and, if anything, make it easier to scan down mission sites. Were I a mission runner I'd want Concord to react to theft, which is simply not the role of Concord. Everyone has a vested interest.
I'm yet to try pirating, I'm yet to ninja salvage, but I have run missions. I run them in locations where I do not get ninja salvaged as the population is low and not many people run missions there. I could run them in the hi pop areas, but I'd want a buddy salvaging by my side.
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Kobushi
OCForums
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:59:00 -
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The horse has been flogged so much there isn't enough grouded meat left to make a buger out of, the ship has sailed so long ago it had time to cross the ocean hit an iceberg, sink, get forgotten, found again, get a few movies made out of said sinking and have all those forgotten again.
If you want the butter and the butter money and the cake and eat it too you simply can't. You can not go for the single best possible agent for the entire empire and get the best possible reward/LP/assurence you will not be sent to a lowsec system AND expect to be alone with no one with a different way of playing this game..
Ninja salvager IS mission runner risk/reward, the higher the agent quality/reward, the higher the risk of being in a system with ninja slavager.
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:01:00 -
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Lol yet another of these absolute brainfarts
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Sagacious Z
Minmatar Eve University
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Posted - 2009.05.14 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Sagacious Z on 14/05/2009 18:02:38
Understanding EVE 101
The game is a MMOG. It is not just you versus the AI of the computer. Thousands of others are in space with you. You do not own the star systems.
The game is designed so there is player vs player confrontation, and player vs player partnerships. This is why we have gangs, corps and fleets. This is why we have bounties and mercs.
The game designers want player interaction, rightfully so. The game is at its best when there are bad guys and good guys, treasures and theft, fear and elation.
The game designers implemented probing. Probing down other pilots is a component of the game that is fun for many. The game is supposed to be fun--do you want to kill the fun?
Every last player who has come onto this forum and complained about salvage has failed to understand the game is a MMOG, and every last part of it incorporates the possibility of player interaction. This is why there are MMOGs, and why there are player versus computer games.
For every "problem" there is a solution. Search out solutions and you will find the game more challenging and fun.
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MJ Maverick
IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.05.14 18:25:00 -
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/Signed!
I like the timer idea.
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