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Avan Sercedos
Black Sheep United
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:20:00 -
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7snipe byaaagh
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abrasive soap
Balls Deep Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:23:00 -
[182]
how do you fall for this ****
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FievelGoesPostal
Gallente The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: FievelGoesPostal
You have not demonstrated that this is a fact, nor have you made an argument to that effect. If you wish to, I suggest you do so in order that your argument may be examined and accepted or rebutted. Statements of opinion as fact do not constitute arguments.
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Its not something that I have to demonstrate that is fact. It is self evident. Peoples actions in game are a reflection of themselves, for they are the ones committing the actions. Are they not?
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But you haven't demonstrated there's a connection between the two behaviors. You're ASSERTING one, but you have not demonstrated or provided any evidence that such a connection exists. Many people play this game and do not do bad things to other people outside the game. The weight of that behavior is against your argument.
If you wish to have someone accept the conclusion that people who play bad people in EVE are bad people outside that context, you'll have to provide something other than what's been seen so far. Your belief in something does not make it real. Provide some argument or evidence to support your assertions or retract them.
All this logic talk and your straight off the bat with straw men arguments eh?
Did I say they were bad people, or that the roles they play reflect a part of themselves? You tell me.
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Since it's a game, those who play the game under the rules can be assumed to be playing a game, and not acting out violent real-life fantasies. You're projecting.
Your asserting that they are just playing a game, without demonstrating why playing a game in which you act out a personality does not reflect in any way your own personality. You are further implying that this personality that is being played out, pops out of nowhere since it does not reflect the person playing it in any way.
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Just because a framework of a game system exists where you can take on the role of an amoral character exists does not mean you are yourself amoral, any more than Anthony Hopkins likes human liver with fava beans. Should those who play FPS games be considered serial murderers? Seems silly, but that's the logical extension of your position.
I never said that those amoral characters are necessarily amoral in RL. Freely choosing to act out amoral actions must necessarily come the persons mind. They are planning and premeditating how to be immoral to another RL person in a game and has no similitude or connection with people who jump on a server to frag each other in a competition.
Quote: It also doesn't mean that a carebear in the game is a "good" person in real life. It just means that they chose a certain role within the game. And since it's a game, extrapolation of that inconsequential choice into an assessment of the person's character is not only incorrect- it's insulting.
Agreed, just as being a bad character in-game doesnt necessarily make you a bad person in RL, neither does being a carebear. However, as my stance has been, your character tends to reflect your own real life personality, if severely restrained. You can deny this all you want, but you know its true.
Quote: The problem is that you're putting something into the game- your perspective about what's "right" and "wrong"- that it does not accomodate. Do you weep when your Queen is taken in Chess? Do you rage and shake your tiny fists when some bastard sinks your Battleship? Is someone who conquers the world in Risk a dictator wannabe?
Your analogy of board games is faulty. Apples and oranges with a free style, choose your own path game. There is a huge difference between a board game with its preset conditions with people in competition, and people in Eve who get in on a personal level to steal, lie, and be malicious.
Again,my only point is that each Eve character reflects its own to a certain degree. Deny it all you want, but you and everyone else knows it.
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FievelGoesPostal
Gallente The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:29:00 -
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And its it has already been posted, I dont think I need to show the scientific studies that show how video games correlate with the human brain and nature.
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Azrakel Miner
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:32:00 -
[185]
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Azrakel Miner Edited by: Azrakel Miner on 15/05/2009 00:35:50 oops...clicked too fast
imo, whoever is honorable and trustworthy in game is most likely the same irl, because that implies that their conscience extends into the world of gaming. However, I believe that, given rl consequences as compared to in game and alt usage, you should not trust a person in game based on out of game experience. However, by the same logic, an ******* in game is most likely not an ******* irl, but most likely wishes he was.
I heard that ****** used to be a macro miner in eve before all the unpleasantness.
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Venetian Tar
Violation of Freedom Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Azrakel Miner Edited by: Azrakel Miner on 15/05/2009 00:35:50 oops...clicked too fast
imo, whoever is honorable and trustworthy in game is most likely the same irl, because that implies that their conscience extends into the world of gaming. However, I believe that, given rl consequences as compared to in game and alt usage, you should not trust a person in game based on out of game experience. However, by the same logic, an ******* in game is most likely not an ******* irl, but most likely wishes he was.
I heard that ****** used to be a macro miner in eve before all the unpleasantness.
Wow, ****** is filtered?
(I had to quote.. I want to know these things!)
EULA. Recruitment
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Venetian Tar
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Azrakel Miner Edited by: Azrakel Miner on 15/05/2009 00:35:50 oops...clicked too fast
imo, whoever is honorable and trustworthy in game is most likely the same irl, because that implies that their conscience extends into the world of gaming. However, I believe that, given rl consequences as compared to in game and alt usage, you should not trust a person in game based on out of game experience. However, by the same logic, an ******* in game is most likely not an ******* irl, but most likely wishes he was.
I heard that ****** used to be a macro miner in eve before all the unpleasantness.
Wow, ****** is filtered?
(I had to quote.. I want to know these things!)
I'm guessing its to stop people doing what I was just trying to do.. Didn't work though.
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Venetian Tar
Violation of Freedom Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:57:00 -
[189]
Yeah, I guess so.
I don't like your sig as much as the T2 kitty though
EULA. Recruitment
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Azrakel Miner
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:59:00 -
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******* apparently is...lets see... ass hole? I know ****pit comes out wrong... (****pit) from my friend's complaints...maybe they should censor whole words and not parts...
*******? asshat? assumption? assume? asspwn? assage?
just testing...
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Venetian Tar
Violation of Freedom Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2009.05.15 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Azrakel Miner ******* apparently is...lets see... ass hole? I know ****pit comes out wrong... (****pit) from my friend's complaints...maybe they should censor whole words and not parts...
*******? asshat? assumption? assume? asspwn? assage?
just testing...
****pit still fails?
Wtf.
EULA. Recruitment
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.15 02:37:00 -
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welp
pretty silly to quit over it, start over
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Monotune
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Posted - 2009.05.15 06:17:00 -
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Hmmm seeing as goons try to scam anything and screw over everyone, why did you fall for it? And just wait to fanfest, find a random goon and take youre agression out on him there. Smash a beer bottle to his face or something. I want to
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Lord Windu
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.15 06:42:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Windu on 15/05/2009 06:43:11
Originally by: Venetian Tar
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Azrakel Miner Edited by: Azrakel Miner on 15/05/2009 00:35:50 oops...clicked too fast
imo, whoever is honorable and trustworthy in game is most likely the same irl, because that implies that their conscience extends into the world of gaming. However, I believe that, given rl consequences as compared to in game and alt usage, you should not trust a person in game based on out of game experience. However, by the same logic, an ******* in game is most likely not an ******* irl, but most likely wishes he was.
I heard that ****** used to be a macro miner in eve before all the unpleasantness.
Wow, ****** is filtered?
(I had to quote.. I want to know these things!)
Mao ****** Stalin Tito Mussolini *******
Edit: so I am guessing the ones which are filtered are like the real bad people and the others aren't as bad. Good to know.
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Navtiqes
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.15 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Monotune just wait to fanfest, find a random goon and take youre agression out on him there. Smash a beer bottle to his face or something. I want to
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.05.15 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Navtiqes
Originally by: Monotune just wait to fanfest, find a random goon and take youre agression out on him there. Smash a beer bottle to his face or something. I want to
Even if it's a girl goon?
In before "wana make out"
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Monotune
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Posted - 2009.05.15 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Navtiqes
Originally by: Monotune just wait to fanfest, find a random goon and take youre agression out on him there. Smash a beer bottle to his face or something. I want to
Even if it's a girl goon?
yes
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Cado Orgo
Trill Crabulas
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Posted - 2009.05.15 19:21:00 -
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When I said they went from fighting the douchebaggery of BoB and ended up becoming douchebags themselves I wasn't necessarily talking about just this instance. From the way this topic has lit up with tons of hate towards them I can only surmise that they do more than just scam people out of billions. I for one have never and will never have any sort of trust or contact with them. Unless they happen upon a future gatecamp I'm apart of and they lose their ships.
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MicroWarpdrive II
Disorder. Shock Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.15 19:23:00 -
[199]
somethingawful.com
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Venomire
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.15 22:44:00 -
[200]
Originally by: De'Veldrin There are no trustworthy Goons. It's as simple as that.
You can trust me.
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FOl2TY8
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.05.15 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: MicroWarpdrive II somethingawful.com
Hey I'm totally a member! How can I join?!?!?! ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
Double E
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.05.16 00:52:00 -
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So.....another Pilot gave his stuff away...for free, and then quits because he has no stuff.
I must be missing something...or rather some Pilots seem to be missing something....common sense maybe?
I have RL family who play...and I don't even trust them enough to give them anything more than wave in local...and if they are in my kind of local..its a painfull wave
All is fair in love, war and EVE
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PaulaMyo
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Posted - 2009.05.16 01:50:00 -
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HA ha HAHAhahaHAHAHAhahaha
When will you morons realsie what goons stand for eh?
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420HUFFDUSTEREVERYDAY
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Posted - 2009.05.16 02:39:00 -
[204]
Originally by: PaulaMyo HA ha HAHAhahaHAHAHAhahaha
When will you morons realsie what goons stand for eh?
guardians of the oglala nation?
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abrasive soap
Balls Deep Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.16 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cado Orgo When I said they went from fighting the douchebaggery of BoB and ended up becoming douchebags themselves I wasn't necessarily talking about just this instance. From the way this topic has lit up with tons of hate towards them I can only surmise that they do more than just scam people out of billions. I for one have never and will never have any sort of trust or contact with them. Unless they happen upon a future gatecamp I'm apart of and they lose their ships.
they've been doing recruitment scams since forever as a way to make isk
and i stopped reading at gatecamp
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Venomire
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.16 03:44:00 -
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A quick look at the our corp description and people would see the notice that we don't open recruit. A quick search around here, on eve-search or even a question in the recruitment channel would also give the same info.
We can't help that people are dumb.
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Venomire
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.16 03:45:00 -
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We can only help them by taking their ISK. And ships.
And blowing them up. Then laughing at them
And posting logs on our forum.
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Yulissa
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Posted - 2009.05.16 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: 420HUFFDUSTEREVERYDAY
Originally by: PaulaMyo HA ha HAHAhahaHAHAHAhahaha
When will you morons realsie what goons stand for eh?
guardians of the oglala nation?
I thought i was fofofofofofofofofofofofo and fofofofofofofofofofo.
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Crash9789
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Posted - 2009.05.16 04:50:00 -
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So uh.. Contracts are public once they are finished, and no such contract exists coming from WO2 Tiger nor to Pieceofmind.
So I call BS. Great story though
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Jadzia Blue
Department of Truth Enhancement
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Posted - 2009.05.16 08:42:00 -
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Since the cat's out of the bag, and I like proving people (like the above poster) wrong...
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