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MightyRhinox
Minmatar Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Fille Balle I fail
http://softrat.home.mindspring.com/germanic.html
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.06.02 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kolatha on 02/06/2009 09:33:34 Edited by: Kolatha on 02/06/2009 09:31:07
Originally by: Fille Balle
Saxon's where also originally Vikings (not sure where they came from), but they where defeated and integrated in to the rest of the population in England (hence the name Anglo-Saxons), and thus the English language today has many words which originate from norse.
Sorry, but the Saxons were of Germanic origin from long before the viking era. They settled in england during the time of the Roman Empire. The Viking era did not really get started until the 8th Century AD. Wiki Linkage
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Katherine Rowan
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Posted - 2009.06.02 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dahak2150 Ur correctin' it wrong.
Actually the term is 'International English', there is no such thing as British English. International, because that version of the English language is the correct, established language form. The only other 'version' is American English used only by either people educated (sic) in that country, or illiterate and lazy on-line posters. Telling other people how to speak, well, how to speak our language which is our prerogative. Is hardly a fault.
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Fille Balle
Dissolution Of Eternity Ethikos Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.02 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: MightyRhinox
Originally by: Fille Balle I fail
http://softrat.home.mindspring.com/germanic.html
Originally by: Thefailedathistorywebpage Norwegian Norwegian, a contemporary Western North Germanic language, is the official language of Norway. It is a collection of related dialects of West Norse. It has two major written dialects: Nynorsk and Bokmal. Nynorsk is the contemporary descendent of Old Norwegian. Bokmal, also called Dano-Norwegian or Riksmal, is really a form of Danish. Since 1951 there has been a concerted effort to effect a merger of the two dialects.
Number of Speakers (1988): 5 million
Norway did not have even close to 5 million people in 1988. it was closer to 4 million. In 2008 the recorded population was 4.5 million. So that's the first thing that's wrong. And the language that's actually a collection of the various dialects in Norway, is Nynorsk, which in english means "new norwegian".
Riksmaal is NOT Bokmaal. Riksmaal predates Bokmaal, and is written differently. Riksmaal was the first written language to be officially used in Norway after Norway was liberated from Sweden. Bokmaal roughly translates to "written tongue".
There isn't, and probably never will be, a concerted effort to merge the two languages in Norway. Both languages have their own institutes dedicated to PRESERVING both languages. Where most countries have one language subject in school, Norwegian schools have two. Nynorsk, and Bokmaal.
In summary, the page that you have linked is fail. All the things I mentioned above is taught in school in Norway. The only thing that is right, is that most language scholars reckon there is a link between ancient germanic and norse, which would indicate that they both stem from the same root. There is no way to prove this however, as germanic is a dead language, and it's all down to speculation loosely based on certain facts.
And to list Afrikaans next to Dutch/Flemish. It should be listed below if anything, as it evolved after the Dutch settled South Africa.
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Sirius Snape
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Posted - 2009.06.02 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman Myrmidon is pronounced murm-ee-don Sleipnir is pronounced sleep-neer (as in pier) Rokh is pronounced rok (silent h, although I suspect this may vary according to dialect) Abaddon is pronounced A-bad-don Charon is pronounced Karr-on Cerberus is pronounced Sur-burr-uss Oneiros is pronounced O-neer-oss (the neir is pronounced like 'near') Rhea is pronounced Ree-ah
Some of these words are open to local dialect, such as Jaguar (to me, it's Jag-yew-arr), but as long as we roughly understand what is being said, it's not worth getting too hung up on it.
All I'm concerned about is people get the Ch- (K) sounds right, and don't pronounce silent c's like in scythe (although anyone familiar with the British comedy "Bottom" will not be able to avoid pronouncing it sither, as one of the characters does).
Richard: How do you know these things? Eddie: I'm Death. Richard: Oh I'm sorry, HOW DO YOU KNOW THESE THINGS? Eddie: No! I'm Death! I'm Death!
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari Iron Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Kitsune - Kit soon
FAIL
In japanese you pronounce every romaji character. For example:
Ichii is 'EE-chee-EE'.
Kitsune is 'kit-su-nay'
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Katia Indarye
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Posted - 2009.06.02 12:39:00 -
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Abba Don? Benny and Bjorn are Cambridge Proffesors? |
MightyRhinox
Minmatar Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
Originally by: Ralara
Kitsune - Kit soon
FAIL
In japanese you pronounce every romaji character. For example:
Ichii is 'EE-chee-EE'.
Kitsune is 'kit-su-nay'
Goddamn it.
ki TSU ne.
Buncha clownshoes.
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MightyRhinox
Minmatar Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: MightyRhinox on 02/06/2009 12:53:28
Originally by: Faille Balle more fail
The only people who speak Norwegian live in Norway? And Germanic isn't a language, it's a language family, Much like Asiatic, Indo-Urgic, Altaic etc. etc.
Stop being a troll and try to find out a little about what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
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Darriuss
Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
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Posted - 2009.06.02 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: MightyRhinox
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ki TSU ne.
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Gesundheit !!
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MightyRhinox
Minmatar Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Darriuss
Originally by: MightyRhinox
...
ki TSU ne.
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Gesundheit !!
Thank you.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.02 13:35:00 -
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Welcome to General Discussion. Home of the not very accurate declarative statement.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.06.02 13:41:00 -
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I've learned a few things about language reading this thread.
However, there is one thing no-one seems to appreciate. The pronounciation of these ship names is defined by the majority of people. Sorry if it isn't 'correct' according to the native language, but language (and pronounciations) evolve over time. The emphasis here is not what is 'correct', but what the concensus is, so that we can understand what the ships are when people refer to them.
Personally, the argument of jag-waar and jag-u-arr (or rock and roak) is barely worth mentioning, as we both know what is being referred to. The issues arise when you have wildly different pronounciations that can lead to confusion, such as sir-bir-us and kebber-us. Frankly, I didn't know the latter pronounciation even existed, and have never heard anyone refer to it in that way. Therefore, even if kebber-us is the correct pronounciation, it is archaic and therefore not the one that is actually used.
If anyone wants to argue about language, then argue about the fashion of deliberate misspellings, such as moar and oh noes, or internet speak, such as xthkbye (someone uses that with me will get a fckff in response). Both of these things are much more of an obstruction to understanding, and far too many people use them. If english is to be the chosen common language, then keep it simple for the people to whom it is a second language.
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Dzil
Caldari Waffles Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.06.02 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara The following is how you pronounce the ships' names in Eve. If you're doing it another way, you're doing it wrong.
Jaguar - jag you ah (not jag waar)
I stopped reading right here. Jag-waar is perfectly acceptible.
------------------------------ In EVE, when someone undercuts you, they're a lemming.
When you undercut someone else, it's skill/effort/manipulation.
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Connner
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: CHAOS100 bah this is how i pronounce it, ill stick with my way :P Scimitar - skim it tar
Do you cut paper with your Skizors too?
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Calvaire Democriaties
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:26:00 -
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message to OP - you are sooooo upjerarswe
Definition of 'CareBear' - Somebody who doesn't play the game the way that YOU want them to. |
Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:38:00 -
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Thank christ you're here, eh? Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Katherine Rowan
Originally by: Dahak2150 Ur correctin' it wrong.
Actually the term is 'International English', there is no such thing as British English. International, because that version of the English language is the correct, established language form. The only other 'version' is American English used only by either people educated (sic) in that country, or illiterate and lazy on-line posters. Telling other people how to speak, well, how to speak our language which is our prerogative. Is hardly a fault.
That's nice and all, but I hope you realize the only putative English word actually in dispute here as far as I know is "Jaguar," and even that may well have some Amerindian origin which I haven't bothered to look up.
Myrmidon -- Ancient Greek Oneiros -- Ancient Greek Sleipnir -- Old Norse Kitsune -- Japanese Gila -- Spanish Rhea -- Ancient Greek etc
The only race whose ships' names are in English is the Amarr, and you'll notice there's not too much dispute about those. |
Calvaire Democriaties
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:52:00 -
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thank god the server is back up
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Lucas Tigh
United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: Lucas Tigh on 02/06/2009 15:11:12
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Quote: Kitsune - Kit soon
**** you.
Edit: Sweet Christ, if you think even half of these are correct, I want some of what you're smoking. Get off your high horse and let the pros have a ride, hmkay?
Fake edit: At the OP. And I hope this is a troll, if only for the sake of linguists everywhere. |
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Governor LePetomane ... "Jaguar," and even that may well have some Amerindian origin which I haven't bothered to look up.
Uh, yep. From Miriam-Webster's Filthy American Online Dictionary:
Etymology: Portuguese, from Tupi jawßra large carnivore (Tupi being a group of languages -- or, in the UK, lan - gyooo- aahhh- ges apparently -- native to South America)
Based on this I can only deduce that the light- in- the- loafers British pronunciation is in fact completely wrong and that the American pronunciation is much closer to the actual word. Stick that in your Meerschaum pipe and smoke it.
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Northern Fall
Minmatar Guild Academy Guild Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.02 16:34:00 -
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Oh great,
Someone decided to start a thread that mixed different accents and countries.
You might as well of decided to slap a big "FORUM WARRIORZ WANTED" banner on the top as well.
Congratulations, you loose EVE.
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The Wintersmith
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Posted - 2009.06.02 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: The Wintersmith on 02/06/2009 16:44:41
Originally by: Farrellus Cameron I hate to break it to you, but the British Empire is dead. You don't get to tell the rest of the world how to talk anymore.
So you can go back to drinking yourselves into oblivion on that cold rock you call home, and enjoying the company of semi-attractive women with bad teeth.
We'll let you know if your country becomes relevant again.
They invented it, speak your own language, or don't you have any relavent heritage/ culture?
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Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: MightyRhinox
Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
Originally by: Ralara
Kitsune - Kit soon
FAIL
In japanese you pronounce every romaji character. For example:
Ichii is 'EE-chee-EE'.
Kitsune is 'kit-su-nay'
Goddamn it.
ki TSU ne.
Buncha clownshoes.
So desu.
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Cons Pro
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Posted - 2009.06.02 18:14:00 -
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Contrary to popular belief, Naglfar is actually spelled F-A-I-L. |
Aargh
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Posted - 2009.06.02 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Well, yes.
So, newzflash, kids, Cicero's name should be pronounced Kikero.
Cicero was Roman, not Greek.
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Daphne Mezereum
Caldari Half Lethal
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Posted - 2009.06.02 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Aargh
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Well, yes.
So, newzflash, kids, Cicero's name should be pronounced Kikero.
Cicero was Roman, not Greek.
Thus, he spoke ancient latin, which is, according to newest research, a language in which the sound denoted by the letter "c" was to be spoken as a "k" sound, afaik.
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Uberix
Amarr Slavery Solutions
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Posted - 2009.06.02 19:46:00 -
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You've done a decent job of butchering the Scandinavian names for Minmatar ships.
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Yukinagoto
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Posted - 2009.06.04 00:12:00 -
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`Kitsune - Kit soon`
KI TSU NEH きつね 狐 FOX in japanese.
You`re wrong OP.
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Yukinagoto
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Posted - 2009.06.04 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Harlequin
Originally by: MightyRhinox
Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
Originally by: Ralara
Kitsune - Kit soon
FAIL
In japanese you pronounce every romaji character. For example:
Ichii is 'EE-chee-EE'.
Kitsune is 'kit-su-nay'
Goddamn it.
ki TSU ne.
Buncha clownshoes.
So desu.
SOU DESU. そうです。
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